Randy Bocksnick(Montana) Hudson I've shooting the Z6II for 21/2 years and ordered the Z8 at 7am this morning! This Old Montanan is really excited!! Great Video Hudson!!!!!
I am a hobbyist or maybe amateur, I don't compete or earn money from my photography - I just enjoy it. I enjoy watching your videos and learning from them. I started with a Costco d3000 kit and progressed through d7000, d7100, d500 to my current z6 and z50. I've been replacing lenses to the Z for a while now, but haven't sold my d500 or f-mount glass. It's good that I'm single, lol. Anyway, I've agonized about whether I should buy a z7ii or hold off to the z8. Luckily, I've held off. This video not only clarifies my next purchase (z8), but I have continued to shoot back-button, single point, continuous focus. I've never been interested in 'playing' with those eye detect or other new autofocus options. Your explanation has convinced me that I need to learn them. Time for a trip to the zoo to practice!! :) Thank you, Hudson, for all your instructional videos!
I’m a nature photographer and have owned a D850 since 2017. The D850 has gave me some award winning photos over the years and still do. I have never shot video on any camera, nor have I ever shot a mirrorless camera. I’m interested in the Z8 because Nikon and the Ambassadors have stated the Z8 is the true camera that replaces the D850. I’m just looking for an honest answer not one from Nikon or its Ambassadors. Can the Z8 shoot single images better than the D850?
Pre-ordered first thing this morning, I've been shooting wildlife with my z7ii for about a year and a half, and have had my eye on the Z9 this whole time. So this camera was a dream come true.
Great update, Hudson. Many thanks for that. I forklifted over to the mirrorless side from a D5 / D850 combo. Had I known that a Z8 with these specs was coming, I probably would have waited. However, I do need a backup body (I have always had at least one backup camera and I cannot believe how "naked" it has felt without one, and dreading if my Z9 would somehow die while on a client shoot) , so I suspect that a Z8 will be a great backup body for me. As you say, everything is pretty much the same except in a smaller body.
If in the budget, then it's the perfect expense. I've been travelling a lot with just the Leica Q2 and the Z9 and I know how you feel. If I were on a client gig, I'd be more nervous. It's bombproof, but you never know.
your comments were very well chosen. i have i Z9,Z7ii,Z6ii and i don see the need to buy now the Z8..I see the Z8 does not have dual CF B and the 3rd F3 front button.. I am glad to have my present set of cameras and in the far future I want to enjoy what i have.. Presently I think the Z9 encompasses the best of all worlds..
I’m going to stick with the Z9. I was hoping for a 200-600mm announcement along with the Z8 but I guess that’s for another release! Thanks for the info Hudson!
I was just at a hands-on with the local Nikon rep, and he stated that the 200-600 is coming this year, but he doesn't have a date for the announcement or availability.
I was really hoping for that as well, but I think Nikon is starting to learn a lesson that before they make any release (even in the Z8 case) I think they are focused on having inventory available. I'm curious to see how the Z8 ships because I think it's going to be a lot easier to get your hands on one than the Z9 was. I also think this is the case for 200-600, it's probably ready to go, but right now I'm guessing they are building up inventory because it's going to sell like hot cakes....at least I hope thats the case!
@@ep_photography The Nikon rep indicated that they have a lot of Z8s that will be in the dealers' hands on the 24th. I guess that I will be happy to be here instead of out in the Tetons looking for 399 this May.
The Z8 looks great but as more of a stills landscape shooter I’ll probably go with the z7 series when I decide to move on from my D810. For both the smaller size and cost. But certainly would get the z8 if it were priced the same! Nikon has come a long ways with mirrorless in a short time. Very impressed.
One has to decide if you can live without (2) CFE-B cards, Built in grip, better weather proofing, extra function button , microphone, GPS, Faster buffer etc. with the Z9. I only have (1) mirrorless ( The Z9) so I look at the Z8 as a more affordable 2nd camera/backup camera but if Z9 AF flowed down to a future Z6/Z7III that would probably work for me but do I want to wait for that, probably not.
Z9/Z6 owner here. A lot of my Z9 use is with telephotos. The Z6- my first Z- is now used for light weight kit and backup.. An expensive upgrade, but I have preordered the Z8 for consistent autofocus, ^MP, color consistency, less weight and as a very strong backup. Let's face it, after a Z9 it is a painful to revert to the Z6 autofocus system in some situations. The only downside i see is the lack of integrated GPS.
I left the Z9 and toted the Z6ii in Cuba attached to the 85 1.2 in Cuba last month. It was fabulous with people and the perfect size for street work. I could care less personally about GPS, but I know some love it. I forgot to even mention that. Good add.
Given the trade in value of a Z9 is less than a Z8, the issue for me is whether to replace or supplement the Z6, which as you indicated is still very capable except for BIF/action. Another confounding factor is that the Z9 is so beefy my hobbyist need for a backup body is diminished.
Who is it for? … me for one! Wildlife options and a mini Z9. What I wanted my Z7ii to be for the last 2 years! I ordered one 23 mins post Nikon announcement
If I didn't have so much invested in the Sony system especially in lenses, I would be jumping at this! IMHO, for anyone looking at making the switch from any DSLR to Mirrorless, since you will have to replace your lenses (or use adapters) this camera would be worth a serious look at. FWIW, they are on pre-order here in Canada for $5400 (Canadian) for the body only with a $200 discount if you buy the body & the 24-120mm f/4 S Lens.
I would not be so quick at dropping the Sony!!! Rent the Nikon first and test thoroughly the focus, particularly 3D and tracking in sports, shooting on a bright day vs overcast. Due diligence is in order.
@@chrisbaudeg3233 I agree. I can not see leaving the "Sonyverse" in the foreseeable future. I have too much invested in lenses to make the change viable. If, however I was in a position where I was switching from a DSLR to mirrorless, then IMHO, this would likely be the camera that I would go to in those circumstances.
Probably not sadly. That would excite me personally more too. I think a Z6 like body with the Z9 AF tracking and longer video record time is exactly what I want to back up the Z9 and have for lighter weight trips and lower light work.
Great Video!, I'm already considering selling my Z7-II. I have the Z9 as well which in my opinion smokes the Z7-II, my biggest concern however is the card slots, the CFE Cards are far superior to the SD Card, which make me wonder if in the next Year or two, will there be a Z8-II with twin CFE Cards which for me would justify having the Z8 as a backup to my Z9. The Z7-II is a good Camera, but with the arrival of the Z9, it just seems to be outdated to some degree due to the Z9 Focus System, if the Z8 have the same features as the Z9, it will be hard not to add this camera to your gear
Great preview Hudson! All the reviews are giving me that "gotta have it" feeling and time to make the switch! Thinking I should let the D850 go before values fall even more. I can't justify keeping it as a backup, never needed one for it. Kept my D800 too long for the same reason. Will have to make a slow transition to S lenses, and really evaluate what I really need. Great job, as always.
I already have a Z9 and there is no way I would ditch it for a Z8. Yes, the Z8 looks an incredible camera and, especially with the lower price, I can see it doing extremely well. I would consider selling my Z7ii to upgrade to a Z8 as my second body, however, for me, the Z8 is missing three things - 1) GPS. I really like to geo-tag my photos, especially when travelling, and the Z9 makes this so easy. With the Z8 you would need to use an external app. I have done this in the past with my Z6 & 7ii but it was not always reliable and I often got home to find the app had failed to record all the GPS info. 2) I really don't want to go back to a mix of cards / card slots. I record both stills and video and having the ability to use two high performance CFExpress cards is invaluable. 3) I really like the feel and ergonomics of the Z9 with the large battery capacity and portrait hand-grip. Yes, you can add a plug-in grip to the Z8 but it still doesn't offer the capacity of a single Z9 battery (I always carry a spare) and it makes the Z8 even bigger than the Z9!!! I am certain the Z8 will be an incredibly successful camera but, for me, the Z9 is definitely the one to stick with.
I don't know, that MB-N12 vertical grip (battery pack) just makes the Z8 look a bit like those old Kodak DCS460 DSLR setups? Might be me. I love how the Z9 looks. Great video btw
Does the Z8 have user defined profiles or whatever Nikon refers to them as? (I am assuming that it does.) I have decided that I am switching from the "Sonyverse" (back) to Nikon (My 1st "real" camera was a Nikon FE SLR.), and traded in a couple lenses today to get the 24-120 lens. I'll get the Z8 when it becomes available.
Hudson Henry . . Quick Question, please . . Z7 ii Image Quality : Is the image quality of the Nikon Z7ii equal to the image quality of the Z8? Or does The Z8 produce more lovely images than the Z7ii? I understand there are more aspects to these fine cameras that define what they really are, but for this question, I would like to concentrate solely on Image Quality. Thank You Very Much.
The image quality is totally on the same level and the stacked sensor of the Z7ii gets just ever so slightly more dynamic range. From a landscape and still life shooter's perspective there's no major gain. The Z8/9 are all about capturing fast action and tracking all kinds of subjects with zero blackout at very high frame rates. I'm sure a Z7iii and Z6iii will come with much of that tracking ability, slower frame rates and likely more megapixels than the current versions. When is the question we all wonder...
Thanks Hudson, this provided a lot of information and helped me make my decision to add the z8 with my z9. I was hoping they were going to announce the 200-600mm, I been struggling to make a decision between the 500pf or 800pf, never had a long prime,
If price isn't the determinate and you have the 100-400, I'd go 800. It's truly amazing and I feel it's likely that the 200-600 isn't going to be quite as great as many hope. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's a focal range Nikon has traditionally made lots of compromises on and I see it's not listing as a "S" lens on the roadmap which puts it a tier below the 100-400. I know some loved it, but I was never happy with the old 200-500. I shot it for a day and took it back. Handling and image quality weren't what I wanted.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto thank you for the response, I am on the waiting list for the 800, was concerned it may be too much lens, you make a good point with the 100-400, my plan is to keep my 24-120 forever on the Z8, use the Z9 for longer lenses,
Between you, Ricci, Matt, i went out shooting on the D850 this past weekend and realised why i love the Z6II again but i miss that 45mb file size when cropping in. So i reviewed many videos, after those, your Vids and then the 85 1.2 video, i ordered the 105 1.4 for £1400, and i ordered and paid for a Z8 also. I just bounced between Z8/Z9 Z8/Z9 but i like the D850 size as i am a high volume user i thought sod it, just get it…. So cheers and I’ll be checking out your setup vids for Z8. I am used to Banks on 850, U1/2/3 on Z6II so will setup the 3 again. Am so looking forwards to it, just got to buy the right CFExpress cards now, as only got the XQD from Z6II and 850.
But no mechanical shutter. Who needs 45 mega pixels? One can get get a used Leica Sl for about 2500.00 with the ability to use smaller and lighter lens. To me the original Z6 is the best buy of the current Nikon Z lineup. We are talking 4k price tag plus heavy expensive lens....
October 15, 2023 Z6III 2000$ Z7III 2999$ 5 upgrade from the z6II / Z7II 1. More MP 33MP/61MP 2. EXPEED 7 (Z9 AF System) 3. 10 BIT internal video 4. 20/15fps Con 5. 3.2" 4-Axis Multi-Angle Touchscreen LCD
Twould be fabulous... You're not alone wishing for that. Dual usb-c for the accessory grip with pd power would also rock for video along with higher res in the evf. The current finders are great in use, but it's time to step them up. I'd guess it's later (maybe getting a trickle out by years end, maybe not) and more expensive, but you're likely close.
Nikon's not about to play keep up with Sony. Sony's not about to play keep up with Canon either. Canon is the 800 pound gorilla of the market. Nikon's made both pro and prosumer video and still fans happy with the z8/9. It's a big lift for a small company to do huge design rework around new stacked sensors. They will... But again on their more boutique schedule, like they did with the Z9. They also need to update the Z50/fc/30 sensor. They've clearly decided to work top down which is thier method. I remember people predicting a 24mp body for years while I worked with my D700 at 12mp and Canon ate into thier share. Then came the D800 with more megapixels and better dynamic range and noise performance to lure them back. This is not a new story.
The Z8 was for me. But I got impatient and got the Z9 and now I'm addicted to that huge battery. So I may wait for the Z6iii to come out before deciding if the Z8 is still for me.
Nice Vid -- I ordered mine to. SmallRig have launched their cage for the Z8. The Z8 has very minor differences to the Z9. Less buttons so Custom Controls will need to change - basically the Fn3 on the front of the Z9 has gone and now the Fn4 button on the Z9 is the Fn3 button on the Z8 - sure no microphone/mic button. New HEIF format Airplane SD and 2 Functions -- I expect these will come to the Z9 soon (well except skin softening) AND we have seen them both before in the Z6ii/Z7ii and P950. GPS data can be pulled automatically via Snapbridge (Automatically). Ricci and Steve both say the Z8 AF works the same as Z9 with big glass and f-mount glass. I would like to understand what Aircraft SD does differently -- apparently it has better Military Aircraft recognition -- just China, Russia and North Korea or ??? Will a Z9ii have 2 USB_C ports etc...... we will have to wait for Paris 2024 to see.
A little over a year ago, I bought a Z50. As Hudson has mentioned several times, it's a great camera. It replaced my small compat cameras from Canon. However, Nikon should remove some limitations of the camera. That's why I've been hoping for something after the Z7II for a while. The Z9 was out of the question for me. I don't like the design of the Z9. It's too big and too heavy for me. That's where the Z8 comes in. It's like a fusion between the Z9 (features) and the Z7/Z6 (body). The new Z8 also means that my good old D90 is finally retiring. I've had that camera for a few years and it has served me well. However, it doesn't come close to the quality of the images from the Z cameras.
I was just at a hands-on with the Z8. It is a great size and weight. Without changing any of the Nikon rep's settings, it looks like all the menus and customizations are the same, except for the missing buttons at the bottom of the Z9. The vertical grip does make it taller than the Z9, but it seems to weigh a little less. Still no delay option for the shutter.
This is what I’ve been waiting for. In ought a z6 as a backup to my d850 and I loved shooting on that so much I decided to switch to mirrorless. I almost got a z9 but the size and price turned me off (not they the price is bad, I just need to upgrade at least one Lens to start). I preordered and set up a few overtime shifts to pay for it haha
Awesome video as always man... Since I got my Z9... Have learned a lot from your videos... Great job... I have a question... When viewing images on my Z9 EVF, when I zoom to 100%... my images seem like a highly compressed image (like when you send a very sharp image over whatsapp and the compression shreds the quality)... Have you noticed this??? When I transfer them to my PC and view them... They are SUPER sharp...
Thanks so much. Love hearing that! Yeah the camera builds a jpeg based on the raw data captured in order to give you that preview file. It's not the actual image, just a little preview file to check tone, sharpness and composition. :)
@@HudsonHenryPhoto Thanks a million man... Another mystery solved... Shouldn't we have an option to see the full image to check critical focus in the field??? What is your opinion on this???
That's would take a huge amount of computing /processing horsepower and lots of storage space. When you edit in a raw processor (your editing software is building jpeg previews of the raw data as you edit) generally those files are not to fill pixel dimension unless you zoom to 100 percent or tell the software to build 1:1 previews. It takes too much precocessing and space. Remember raw data is all ones and zeros. It has to be interpreted. The fact that your camera can quickly produce a 1:1 jpeg preview from those ones and zeros at a high enough quality to check focus, but small enough not to clog your CF Express card is kind of unbelievable really.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto Makes sense... Really Really appreciate you taking the time out and explaining in such detail... Thank you very much... Once again... Really appreciate it...
If you want a full time dual grip body, the 9 will be better. For me, I'd only ever use it to keep my elbows both in tight shooting my 800PF vertical. At any other time it would be charging 2 batteries with a PD power brick in the bag or at home.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto I've been using grips since me D3s, D4, D850 and all my Z bodies have them. but Ricci posted a pic with a Z8/grip and it looks terrible. the price says buy the Z8 but WTH was Nikon thinking... just saying.
@@LMoProVisualComm I shot with a Pentax K3 for years with a battery grip that I never removed. It looked much nicer than this Nikon Z8 one! Also, I found that it was too clumsy and time consuming to be taking the grip on and off. I suspect this Nikon one will be the same.
The basic Nikon Z5 allows Power delivery and output with the right cable and via laptop with the one cable. made it perfect for perfect 24/7 zoom/ cam / obs sure it was 720+ but enough for most everyone unless professional recordings
Yep all Z's allow that via hdmi out + usb-c. The z9/8 even have full size hdmi ports. Dual usb-c is new and different though. It allows charging alongside usb-c accessories.
Nice summary, Hudson. You didn't mention the lack of in body GPS for the Z8 in your comparison. If the Z8 and Z9 had been launched together, the Z8 would have been better for me. For now, I'm sticking with my Z7 and my Z9. I do really like that the learning curve for the Z9 basically applies 99.5% to the Z8. I hope they do update the 600 gram Z7 with an Expeed 7. I really, really wish the Z7 had the green confirmation on autofocus with AF-C like the Z8 and Z9 have. I didn't appreciate how valuable it is to have a power delivery port and a USB-C full functioning port for video until your video.
Yeah GPS is the first thing I disable so it didn't stick out to me. I know people like it. Good add. I'm dreaming of the Z6iii to go with my 9 and Q2. I really don't think I'll keep the 8.
Thank you for a very nice and pleasant review! Especially thank you for not shouting your way through it. I shoot birds and whales in low light with a Z6ii, and seriously considering investing in the z8. Not that everything has to be about genders nowadays, but as a woman with small hands, the Z8 seems like a perfect solution! Nikon's D3, D850 etc are all great cameras, but i cannot operate them with ease as theyre simply too big for my hands and reach, and i dare to say itd be the same with a Z9. Z8 seems to offer a good well rounded solution with size, focusing, speed etc. Keep up your nice work!
Ther Z8 will be very popular to ALL Nikon Photographers (at least who skipped the Z9 - too much over the needs) because there is gape between the Z7 II (2-3 years) and the Z9, the only option we have is the Z8
Hmmm. It's really just a Z9 that's cheaper without the vertical grip. Not really a bridge, just a 2nd form factor of the same camera. Nothing really new at all and not less capable than the Z9, just cheaper and smaller.
Good discussion and analysis of who it's for. I went from a used Z6 to a used Z7. The 7ii just didn't have enough extra for me to go for a new one. This step up, however, makes it worth buying new. Having more controls by buttons instead of menus, the more agile screen, sensor cover, better autofocus, and the better viewfinder all sound great. Illuminated buttons and other features are just icing.
From your comments at the very end, Hudson, it sounds like the best way to utilize the bird eye AF detect is the “hybrid” 2-button method you recommend for the z9? No change there? That is one reason I held off on the Z9 (and lack of 200-600 lens), and why I was considering the Sony A1 with its single button for bird eye AF.
I don't think you understand the hybrid eye detect method. It's eye detect in each mode. With the hybrid option you begin with a wider AF tracking "area" instead of a point to detect a small, fast, erratic subject (say a big center box or a big box on the one side of the frame) much like group area on a D5/850/500, but then as your subject flys in and you aquire a lock in the box, you hit the function button to track it framewide (still with eye detect too) by converting the tracked subject to 3D. It just works amazingly accurately to quickly aquire a fast subject. It limits the cameras search to that one big box, but with a button press that tracking goes to framewide 3D. I find it easier than sony or canons tracking. A trick they don't have. If you don't need hybrid or want to use it, 3d tracking alone looks for and locks subjects/torsos/heads/eyes frame wide. It's simply harder to nab smaller, erratic, moving subjects as they first enter the frame before thier eyes are detected with the much smaller 3D AF square, but once you do, you track framewide. If eyes or a head are obvious, they light up to track whether near the 3d point or not. 3D alone is the go to mode for larger, more predictable, frame-filling subjects. No need for hybrid in that case. With the hybrid method you direct the camera to look for smaller subjects only in that wide area, but a button press switches you to 3d framewide tracking on the subject you picked up in wide area. Practice it a few times and you'll miss it on an A1. :) that's my positron having shot them both a ton. The Z8 is identical. It has that advanced hybrid capability that other brands do not.
I just ordered a Z8 to replace my D500. This means that for a while, I will be adapting my 500PF to the Z8. I will also be adding a TC. I have a couple questions: 1. Have you ever tried using the Z mount TC with an adapted F mount lense, 500PF in my case? 2. Would I get better performance/image quality if I trade the 500PF for the 400/4.5? 500PF plus TC14 vs 400/4.5 plus TC14 slightly cropped. 3. I also own the 100-400. Would the 100-400 with the Z14 TC have similar performance/IQ as the 500PF.
Hey TC you'll love that switch. I shot thousands of frames with the 500pf on the FTZ until I got the 100-400 and 800 PF. That 500 is still a lens I highly recommend for Z shooters. There are many of my workshop regulars still happily using it on the Z9. The new 400 is unbelievably light, small and sharp. It's bokeh is a little nicer, but you lose 20% of your reach. I did enjoy testing it and I have descerning clients who adore it. It handles the Z 1.4TC as well or better than the 500 with the F 1.4TC. They're both great lenses though. I shoot the 100-400 with the 1.4 as well and it's just fine. A bit slow for low light, but great IQ. :)
@@HudsonHenryPhoto Thank you for your response. I was hoping to avoid purchasing both F and Z TC's. Will the FTZ adaptor work between an Fmount lens and a Zmount TC?
Every nikon since the last dslr generation has in camera focus stacking (no Z camera lacks it). They even added it to cameras released without it via firmware. Yes it's a mini z9 in every way including the night modes.
The Z8 isn't cheap, but compared to the lighter (than Z9) Sony A1 and higher resolution and cheaper than the Canon R3, the price is competitive. The vertical grip looks poorly designed (longer and deeper than the body) from an esthetic standpoint. The Z8 vertical grip engages the Z8 body via the Z8 camera battery compartment - so you loose that compartment to get two, not three batteries to use. The vertical grip also makes the camera bigger than the Z9. The Z8 battery compartment is too small to every take the larger battery (i.e. Z9). It will be interesting to see how it sells and how many buy the vertical grip (also interested in your experience when you get it in hand). It makes economic sense for Nikon to recycle the sensor and other Z9 hardware to get the most out of the R/D. There are certainly people that were waiting for this. I don't see getting rid of my Z9 (although I'd like lighter weight). I want either a medium resolution better low light Z body or APSC version that can do a higher frame rate raw with better pixel count than the Z9 in crop. I'm interested in how the heat dissipation will be in 8K 60p recording with Z8. Last, but not least, getting rid of the dial on the top left makes some sense and I can see why they would place WB as a button instead of flash for some. I'll be curious to hear your thoughts once you have the camera in hand.
All valid and not dissimilar to my thoughts. I'll only use the grip for long lens handheld work. My guess is I keep the Z9 and wait on what's next. I'd also love a Z500.
I want it, I don’t need it, but I want it😂 I’m trading every piece of Canon gear that I own and had enough to buy the Nikon Z 600mm f4. I think that’s still the way I’m going to go. I have the Z9, D850 and Z7ii. I thought maybe I could trade the D850 for the Z8, but I’m not sure.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto well plans changed😂 I sold my D850 and ordered the Z8. I’m fully mirrorless now except I kept the af-s 70-200 fl e, 500mm pf and the 300mm pf. I’m so happy right now😂
Thank you for this. It is just what I have been waiting for as you know. A Z9 but lighter and evrything the Z9 is and more (love the USB-C ports for video). I also put my order in at 7am yesterday. We will see how long it takes to get here. Well off to Italy on Saturday, talk when I get back- G
Have a blast Gary! If it takes too long to get, which I don't think it will, I'll likely not be keeping mine... I've really grown used to the 9's handling. Give April a hug.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto I would love to buy your Z8 if you don't keep it and my order takes forever. I would be up (or should I say down) for that. Just think, maybe I would get it pre-programmed. Let's talk seriously about this. April says Hi and give my best to Stacey and the family.- G
I believe if your shooting all day and a lot of vertical shots the Z9 is your camera. This is because there is no advantage of the z8 with the added grip because it will be in fact bigger and just as heavy as the z9 with less options. Also you will lose the performance of 2 CF-express cards in the backup mode. Also if your in a wet environment all day the z9 will handle that better. If your doing landscapes and hiking a lot the z8 will be better. Also with the z9 they will take $150 off the price, the z8? and the vertical grip will be another $375, so your only saving $1000
I'd only every mount that grip for handheld long prime lens work where you need both elbows down to brace the weight when vertical. It would not ever be on the camera in the bag, it threads on as the big lens mounts.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto I do tend to use longer lenses and shoot portrait mode in sports all day, and the vertical grip with my backup camera lives on my D500 as backup. I'm going to finally switch to mirrorless. The advantage of the Z8 is when I go hiking and mountain climbing. Then I wouldn't take the vertical grip at all for weight reduction in my backpack.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto I do love all your information on how the focusing system works on the Z9 and other tips. Even though I have a lot of experience (in sports) there's a lot I don't know.
General question since I am still 750 + 500, how is Z9 (and presumably Z8) with the older lenses in terms of human eye detection/focus? I can see maybe trying the Z8 for my first mirrorless, but collecting new lenses will take a while. Thanks
The eye detection and focus will work flawlessly with your F-mount lenses when using the FTZ. I also am not giving up my 105 1.4, and it also works great with my Sigma 135 1.8.
Hi Hudson....I am thinking about moving from a D500 to the Z8....One concern for me though,I have a couple of dx lenses I don't want to stop using...With the adapter,will I have any issues using the dx lenses with Z8...Thanks
No, that's not an issue at all. It will crop automatically to aps-c off the full frame sensor with no more vignetting than the d500. The crop is not that different in resolution than the D500. It's just under 20mp and it will fill the evf without any letterboxing. No issue at all. :) the day I first tested the Z9 is the day my last dslr (the D500) went up for sale. You'll love the upgrade.
I discuss both. Vertical battery grip holds 2 batteries and lets you keep your elbows both anchored to your body handholding a long lens. Battery brick powers and/or charges your camera while plugged into the USB-C port. You'll find both in the links in this video's description.
It's got huge advantages for night shooters too. The starlight view, better low light autofocus and warm display option have to be used to be believed. Night, non-human subject tracking and burst shooting are the only places it thumps the Z7ii. It does thump the Z7ii by a lot in those arenas though. When non-Z9 shooters (including A1 shooters) see my setup on workshop milky way shoots, I hear a lot of HOLY ______! Look at that! I had one Sony shooter who loves night work completely switch brands to get the Z9's warm display, low light AF and starlight view.
Thank you! That’s very helpful indeed I was waiting for this announcement to decide between the Z7ii and Z8 to add to my Z5. Mainly landscape and nightscapes The ability to have the screen flip out in portrait mode and the night shooting features are the big benefits imho. What I don’t like on the Z9/Z8 is the lack of U1,U2,U3 I have a base setting for daytime landscape (U1) and nighttime (U2) and exposure stack (U3) A quick rotation and I know I’m back to my “baseline”. Wish they would add that somehow (even if it’s via the I menu) to preserve all settings. When playing with a Z9, I discovered you have to go through a few different banks to make sure it’s set right. Do you find it hampers your workflow?
But... you can take it off. I'd only ever mount it to work with my 800 PF anyway. Maybe, once in a blue moon on the 100-400. Any other time, give me that little body please.
Trust me, I want a Z6iii. I'd be way more excited for that personally. However, for those who don't have a Z9, this packs a lot of punch in a much smaller and significantly cheaper body.
I pre-ordered. I can’t wait to finally get a taste of better AF on a Z body. I’ve been shooting with Z6, Z6ii, and Z7ii. Their great for landscapes but challenging to use for sports and wildlife shooting. I pre-ordered the Z9 when it first came out. The wait and the weight and size of the camera made me hold off. My patience is finally going to get rewarded once the Z8 shows up at the front door. 😊
I currently have two Z9’s which I love. I preordered the Z8 through NPS, and although I prefer the Z9’s when I’m shooting events, I’m excited about having something a little smaller and lighter for backpacking when I’m shooting landscapes. I will miss the GPS. Incidentally, the weather sealing is not quite the same as the Z9; it’s more on par with the D850.
They keep comparing the D850 to pull in dslr holdouts. Even the original Z7 is insanely weather sealed. I've put that to insane test being directly hit with a saltwater wave and then dumping 40oz of fresh water over it to flush. Never a hiccup. Whether it's exceeds the D850 as stated in the marketing or is similar to z9... I trust Nikon to do it well.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto Hello Hudson, I’m still stressing over whether I should trade/sell one of my Z9’s for the Z8. Then I would have one Z9 and one Z8 as a backup or vice versa. All these videos about potential overheating issues is not critical to me since I’m primarily a “stills” photographer. As an NPS member, I expect to get a call from my local dealer in the next day or two. I already received an email from Nikon that it was shipped. I’d love to hear your thoughts.
If I was toting dual Z9's then yes... I'd do that in a heartbeat. For sure. I am holding it for a Z7iii I replace my Z6ii as my backup and video cam. :)
I own the Z9. I had a D500 and never used the battery grip. The fact that the Z9 has a built in grip has been really helpful. I now find that I shoot vertically because it’s available to me. It is heavy but I shoot with the 400 z and 1.4 teleconverter and have ordered the 800z ( been waiting a year for it). I will keep what I have. I use a monopod and it’s very well balanced with big lenses. I hope that Nikon offers more firmware upgrades to improve autofocus, especially eye autofocus on birds that are further away. Z8 is a great camera but I will keep what I have, despite the added weight. Great option if you don’t want the battery grip and want to save $1500. Don’t understand why they didn’t include dual CF express cards.
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I would still love to have the z9, but that $1500 price reduction was needed in my case. Excited to get the Z8!
Randy Bocksnick(Montana) Hudson I've shooting the Z6II for 21/2 years and ordered the Z8 at 7am this morning! This Old Montanan is really excited!! Great Video Hudson!!!!!
I am a hobbyist or maybe amateur, I don't compete or earn money from my photography - I just enjoy it. I enjoy watching your videos and learning from them. I started with a Costco d3000 kit and progressed through d7000, d7100, d500 to my current z6 and z50. I've been replacing lenses to the Z for a while now, but haven't sold my d500 or f-mount glass. It's good that I'm single, lol. Anyway, I've agonized about whether I should buy a z7ii or hold off to the z8. Luckily, I've held off. This video not only clarifies my next purchase (z8), but I have continued to shoot back-button, single point, continuous focus. I've never been interested in 'playing' with those eye detect or other new autofocus options. Your explanation has convinced me that I need to learn them. Time for a trip to the zoo to practice!! :) Thank you, Hudson, for all your instructional videos!
You are a Rock Start end of the discussion. Thanks for the information
I’m a nature photographer and have owned a D850 since 2017. The D850 has gave me some award winning photos over the years and still do. I have never shot video on any camera, nor have I ever shot a mirrorless camera.
I’m interested in the Z8 because Nikon and the Ambassadors have stated the Z8 is the true camera that replaces the D850. I’m just looking for an honest answer not one from Nikon or its Ambassadors. Can the Z8 shoot single images better than the D850?
Pre-ordered first thing this morning, I've been shooting wildlife with my z7ii for about a year and a half, and have had my eye on the Z9 this whole time. So this camera was a dream come true.
Great update, Hudson. Many thanks for that. I forklifted over to the mirrorless side from a D5 / D850 combo. Had I known that a Z8 with these specs was coming, I probably would have waited. However, I do need a backup body (I have always had at least one backup camera and I cannot believe how "naked" it has felt without one, and dreading if my Z9 would somehow die while on a client shoot) , so I suspect that a Z8 will be a great backup body for me. As you say, everything is pretty much the same except in a smaller body.
If in the budget, then it's the perfect expense. I've been travelling a lot with just the Leica Q2 and the Z9 and I know how you feel. If I were on a client gig, I'd be more nervous. It's bombproof, but you never know.
Problem is the Z8 with Grip is larger and heavier than the Z9.
your comments were very well chosen. i have i Z9,Z7ii,Z6ii and i don see the need to buy now the Z8..I see the Z8 does not have dual CF B and the 3rd F3 front button.. I am glad to have my present set of cameras and in the far future I want to enjoy what i have.. Presently I think the Z9 encompasses the best of all worlds..
This vid popped up as i was looking for z8 info! Great timing!
I’m going to stick with the Z9. I was hoping for a 200-600mm announcement along with the Z8 but I guess that’s for another release! Thanks for the info Hudson!
Nothing wrong with that choice.
I was just at a hands-on with the local Nikon rep, and he stated that the 200-600 is coming this year, but he doesn't have a date for the announcement or availability.
@@CathySummers-z7g It’s been on the roadmap a long time. I think that announcement will be bigger than the Z8.
I was really hoping for that as well, but I think Nikon is starting to learn a lesson that before they make any release (even in the Z8 case) I think they are focused on having inventory available. I'm curious to see how the Z8 ships because I think it's going to be a lot easier to get your hands on one than the Z9 was. I also think this is the case for 200-600, it's probably ready to go, but right now I'm guessing they are building up inventory because it's going to sell like hot cakes....at least I hope thats the case!
@@ep_photography The Nikon rep indicated that they have a lot of Z8s that will be in the dealers' hands on the 24th. I guess that I will be happy to be here instead of out in the Tetons looking for 399 this May.
The Z8 looks great but as more of a stills landscape shooter I’ll probably go with the z7 series when I decide to move on from my D810. For both the smaller size and cost. But certainly would get the z8 if it were priced the same! Nikon has come a long ways with mirrorless in a short time. Very impressed.
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Will the Dawn di-GPS, Eco ProFessional 2 (with Digital Compass), work on the Z8.
One has to decide if you can live without (2) CFE-B cards, Built in grip, better weather proofing, extra function button , microphone, GPS, Faster buffer etc. with the Z9. I only have (1) mirrorless ( The Z9) so I look at the Z8 as a more affordable 2nd camera/backup camera but if Z9 AF flowed down to a future Z6/Z7III that would probably work for me but do I want to wait for that, probably not.
Z9/Z6 owner here. A lot of my Z9 use is with telephotos. The Z6- my first Z- is now used for light weight kit and backup.. An expensive upgrade, but I have preordered the Z8 for consistent autofocus, ^MP, color consistency, less weight and as a very strong backup. Let's face it, after a Z9 it is a painful to revert to the Z6 autofocus system in some situations. The only downside i see is the lack of integrated GPS.
I left the Z9 and toted the Z6ii in Cuba attached to the 85 1.2 in Cuba last month. It was fabulous with people and the perfect size for street work. I could care less personally about GPS, but I know some love it. I forgot to even mention that. Good add.
Given the trade in value of a Z9 is less than a Z8, the issue for me is whether to replace or supplement the Z6, which as you indicated is still very capable except for BIF/action. Another confounding factor is that the Z9 is so beefy my hobbyist need for a backup body is diminished.
Who is it for? … me for one! Wildlife options and a mini Z9. What I wanted my Z7ii to be for the last 2 years! I ordered one 23 mins post Nikon announcement
If I didn't have so much invested in the Sony system especially in lenses, I would be jumping at this! IMHO, for anyone looking at making the switch from any DSLR to Mirrorless, since you will have to replace your lenses (or use adapters) this camera would be worth a serious look at.
FWIW, they are on pre-order here in Canada for $5400 (Canadian) for the body only with a $200 discount if you buy the body & the 24-120mm f/4 S Lens.
I would not be so quick at dropping the Sony!!! Rent the Nikon first and test thoroughly the focus, particularly 3D and tracking in sports, shooting on a bright day vs overcast. Due diligence is in order.
@@chrisbaudeg3233 I agree. I can not see leaving the "Sonyverse" in the foreseeable future. I have too much invested in lenses to make the change viable. If, however I was in a position where I was switching from a DSLR to mirrorless, then IMHO, this would likely be the camera that I would go to in those circumstances.
I'm still holding out for a Z6III. According to Nikon Romours, it won't be this year 😢
Probably not sadly. That would excite me personally more too. I think a Z6 like body with the Z9 AF tracking and longer video record time is exactly what I want to back up the Z9 and have for lighter weight trips and lower light work.
Nikon should have sent you one the same day others got them.
Ordered, can't wait to get it in my hands, but will still keep my Z6ii...
Great Video!, I'm already considering selling my Z7-II. I have the Z9 as well which in my opinion smokes the Z7-II, my biggest concern however is the card slots, the CFE Cards are far superior to the SD Card, which make me wonder if in the next Year or two, will there be a Z8-II with twin CFE Cards which for me would justify having the Z8 as a backup to my Z9. The Z7-II is a good Camera, but with the arrival of the Z9, it just seems to be outdated to some degree due to the Z9 Focus System, if the Z8 have the same features as the Z9, it will be hard not to add this camera to your gear
changing the card slots would be a mechanical change, thus not likely to change anytime soon.
I'm ugrading to D850 from D700/D800E. Waiting for Z8x. I will not get any Zed S lenses. Saving for a 2nd hand 400mmF2.8 E FL
Nothing wrong with that any of that gear. I've enjoyed it all in its day. Best there was 6 years back. Use it and have fun.
Great preview Hudson! All the reviews are giving me that "gotta have it" feeling and time to make the switch! Thinking I should let the D850 go before values fall even more. I can't justify keeping it as a backup, never needed one for it. Kept my D800 too long for the same reason. Will have to make a slow transition to S lenses, and really evaluate what I really need. Great job, as always.
Thanks Cary! I think it will be a great transition for you and a good choice. I'll do a complete set of setup videos of course. :)
Excellent. Thanks Hudson
I’m still in DSLR, and I 10:58 think the Z8 will be my first step into mirrorless.
You'll love it! Thanks for considering my links. :)
I already have a Z9 and there is no way I would ditch it for a Z8. Yes, the Z8 looks an incredible camera and, especially with the lower price, I can see it doing extremely well. I would consider selling my Z7ii to upgrade to a Z8 as my second body, however, for me, the Z8 is missing three things - 1) GPS. I really like to geo-tag my photos, especially when travelling, and the Z9 makes this so easy. With the Z8 you would need to use an external app. I have done this in the past with my Z6 & 7ii but it was not always reliable and I often got home to find the app had failed to record all the GPS info. 2) I really don't want to go back to a mix of cards / card slots. I record both stills and video and having the ability to use two high performance CFExpress cards is invaluable. 3) I really like the feel and ergonomics of the Z9 with the large battery capacity and portrait hand-grip. Yes, you can add a plug-in grip to the Z8 but it still doesn't offer the capacity of a single Z9 battery (I always carry a spare) and it makes the Z8 even bigger than the Z9!!! I am certain the Z8 will be an incredibly successful camera but, for me, the Z9 is definitely the one to stick with.
I don't know, that MB-N12 vertical grip (battery pack) just makes the Z8 look a bit like those old Kodak DCS460 DSLR setups? Might be me. I love how the Z9 looks. Great video btw
I'd only ever use it to handle the 800PF I adore.
yes, the add on vertical grip will make it larger than the Z9!!
Cheers for the info Hudson. 😊
Does the Z8 have user defined profiles or whatever Nikon refers to them as? (I am assuming that it does.)
I have decided that I am switching from the "Sonyverse" (back) to Nikon (My 1st "real" camera was a Nikon FE SLR.), and traded in a couple lenses today to get the 24-120 lens. I'll get the Z8 when it becomes available.
We'll have to see once mine arrives, but expect it has shooting/setting banks like the Z9 instead of the U1/U2/U3 of the rest of the Z lineup.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto thank you.
Hudson Henry . .
Quick Question, please . .
Z7 ii Image Quality :
Is the image quality of the Nikon Z7ii equal to the image quality of the Z8?
Or does The Z8 produce more lovely images than the Z7ii?
I understand there are more aspects to these fine cameras that define what they really are, but for this question, I would like to concentrate solely on Image Quality.
Thank You Very Much.
The image quality is totally on the same level and the stacked sensor of the Z7ii gets just ever so slightly more dynamic range. From a landscape and still life shooter's perspective there's no major gain. The Z8/9 are all about capturing fast action and tracking all kinds of subjects with zero blackout at very high frame rates. I'm sure a Z7iii and Z6iii will come with much of that tracking ability, slower frame rates and likely more megapixels than the current versions. When is the question we all wonder...
@@HudsonHenryPhoto Thank You Very Much !
Thanks Hudson, this provided a lot of information and helped me make my decision to add the z8 with my z9. I was hoping they were going to announce the 200-600mm, I been struggling to make a decision between the 500pf or 800pf, never had a long prime,
If price isn't the determinate and you have the 100-400, I'd go 800. It's truly amazing and I feel it's likely that the 200-600 isn't going to be quite as great as many hope. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's a focal range Nikon has traditionally made lots of compromises on and I see it's not listing as a "S" lens on the roadmap which puts it a tier below the 100-400. I know some loved it, but I was never happy with the old 200-500. I shot it for a day and took it back. Handling and image quality weren't what I wanted.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto thank you for the response, I am on the waiting list for the 800, was concerned it may be too much lens, you make a good point with the 100-400, my plan is to keep my 24-120 forever on the Z8, use the Z9 for longer lenses,
Between you, Ricci, Matt, i went out shooting on the D850 this past weekend and realised why i love the Z6II again but i miss that 45mb file size when cropping in. So i reviewed many videos, after those, your Vids and then the 85 1.2 video, i ordered the 105 1.4 for £1400, and i ordered and paid for a Z8 also. I just bounced between Z8/Z9 Z8/Z9 but i like the D850 size as i am a high volume user i thought sod it, just get it…. So cheers and I’ll be checking out your setup vids for Z8. I am used to Banks on 850, U1/2/3 on Z6II so will setup the 3 again. Am so looking forwards to it, just got to buy the right CFExpress cards now, as only got the XQD from Z6II and 850.
But no mechanical shutter. Who needs 45 mega pixels? One can get get a used Leica Sl for about 2500.00 with the ability to use smaller and lighter lens. To me the original Z6 is the best buy of the current Nikon Z lineup. We are talking 4k price tag plus heavy expensive lens....
October 15, 2023
Z6III 2000$
Z7III 2999$
5 upgrade from the z6II / Z7II
1. More MP 33MP/61MP
2. EXPEED 7 (Z9 AF System)
3. 10 BIT internal video
4. 20/15fps Con
5. 3.2" 4-Axis Multi-Angle Touchscreen LCD
Twould be fabulous... You're not alone wishing for that. Dual usb-c for the accessory grip with pd power would also rock for video along with higher res in the evf. The current finders are great in use, but it's time to step them up. I'd guess it's later (maybe getting a trickle out by years end, maybe not) and more expensive, but you're likely close.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto Sony A7V be out a year after Z6II/Z7II
With probably a stacked sensor
33MP
So Nikon needs to keep up.
Nikon's not about to play keep up with Sony. Sony's not about to play keep up with Canon either. Canon is the 800 pound gorilla of the market. Nikon's made both pro and prosumer video and still fans happy with the z8/9. It's a big lift for a small company to do huge design rework around new stacked sensors. They will... But again on their more boutique schedule, like they did with the Z9. They also need to update the Z50/fc/30 sensor. They've clearly decided to work top down which is thier method.
I remember people predicting a 24mp body for years while I worked with my D700 at 12mp and Canon ate into thier share. Then came the D800 with more megapixels and better dynamic range and noise performance to lure them back. This is not a new story.
The Z8 was for me. But I got impatient and got the Z9 and now I'm addicted to that huge battery. So I may wait for the Z6iii to come out before deciding if the Z8 is still for me.
Nice Vid -- I ordered mine to. SmallRig have launched their cage for the Z8. The Z8 has very minor differences to the Z9. Less buttons so Custom Controls will need to change - basically the Fn3 on the front of the Z9 has gone and now the Fn4 button on the Z9 is the Fn3 button on the Z8 - sure no microphone/mic button.
New HEIF format Airplane SD and 2 Functions -- I expect these will come to the Z9 soon (well except skin softening) AND we have seen them both before in the Z6ii/Z7ii and P950.
GPS data can be pulled automatically via Snapbridge (Automatically). Ricci and Steve both say the Z8 AF works the same as Z9 with big glass and f-mount glass.
I would like to understand what Aircraft SD does differently -- apparently it has better Military Aircraft recognition -- just China, Russia and North Korea or ???
Will a Z9ii have 2 USB_C ports etc...... we will have to wait for Paris 2024 to see.
A little over a year ago, I bought a Z50. As Hudson has mentioned several times, it's a great camera. It replaced my small compat cameras from Canon. However, Nikon should remove some limitations of the camera. That's why I've been hoping for something after the Z7II for a while. The Z9 was out of the question for me. I don't like the design of the Z9. It's too big and too heavy for me. That's where the Z8 comes in. It's like a fusion between the Z9 (features) and the Z7/Z6 (body). The new Z8 also means that my good old D90 is finally retiring. I've had that camera for a few years and it has served me well. However, it doesn't come close to the quality of the images from the Z cameras.
Still have my Z6. Thought my next buy would likely be the 100-400 s. But now with the Z8…? 🤔
I was just at a hands-on with the Z8. It is a great size and weight. Without changing any of the Nikon rep's settings, it looks like all the menus and customizations are the same, except for the missing buttons at the bottom of the Z9. The vertical grip does make it taller than the Z9, but it seems to weigh a little less. Still no delay option for the shutter.
This is what I’ve been waiting for. In ought a z6 as a backup to my d850 and I loved shooting on that so much I decided to switch to mirrorless. I almost got a z9 but the size and price turned me off (not they the price is bad, I just need to upgrade at least one Lens to start). I preordered and set up a few overtime shifts to pay for it haha
Awesome video as always man... Since I got my Z9... Have learned a lot from your videos... Great job...
I have a question... When viewing images on my Z9 EVF, when I zoom to 100%... my images seem like a highly compressed image (like when you send a very sharp image over whatsapp and the compression shreds the quality)... Have you noticed this???
When I transfer them to my PC and view them... They are SUPER sharp...
Thanks so much. Love hearing that! Yeah the camera builds a jpeg based on the raw data captured in order to give you that preview file. It's not the actual image, just a little preview file to check tone, sharpness and composition. :)
@@HudsonHenryPhoto Thanks a million man... Another mystery solved...
Shouldn't we have an option to see the full image to check critical focus in the field???
What is your opinion on this???
That's would take a huge amount of computing /processing horsepower and lots of storage space. When you edit in a raw processor (your editing software is building jpeg previews of the raw data as you edit) generally those files are not to fill pixel dimension unless you zoom to 100 percent or tell the software to build 1:1 previews. It takes too much precocessing and space. Remember raw data is all ones and zeros. It has to be interpreted. The fact that your camera can quickly produce a 1:1 jpeg preview from those ones and zeros at a high enough quality to check focus, but small enough not to clog your CF Express card is kind of unbelievable really.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto Makes sense... Really Really appreciate you taking the time out and explaining in such detail...
Thank you very much... Once again... Really appreciate it...
Great video ,Thanks got one on order as I love the z9 but am old now and find it sooo Heavy😅
The only thing I don't like about my Z9 is carrying it! ;-)
I'm getting it. but that bigAZZ battery grip just has to be a design flaw... Nikon is gonna have to redesign that thing ASAP!!! It's ugly
I agree. It is larger than the Z9 when connected to the Z8!
If you want a full time dual grip body, the 9 will be better. For me, I'd only ever use it to keep my elbows both in tight shooting my 800PF vertical. At any other time it would be charging 2 batteries with a PD power brick in the bag or at home.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto I've been using grips since me D3s, D4, D850 and all my Z bodies have them. but Ricci posted a pic with a Z8/grip and it looks terrible. the price says buy the Z8 but WTH was Nikon thinking... just saying.
@@LMoProVisualComm I shot with a Pentax K3 for years with a battery grip that I never removed. It looked much nicer than this Nikon Z8 one! Also, I found that it was too clumsy and time consuming to be taking the grip on and off. I suspect this Nikon one will be the same.
@@gosman949 I feel you.. it's just way too big and ugly on this Z8.
The basic Nikon Z5 allows Power delivery and output with the right cable and via laptop with the one cable. made it perfect for perfect 24/7 zoom/ cam / obs sure it was 720+ but enough for most everyone unless professional recordings
Yep all Z's allow that via hdmi out + usb-c. The z9/8 even have full size hdmi ports. Dual usb-c is new and different though. It allows charging alongside usb-c accessories.
Nice summary, Hudson. You didn't mention the lack of in body GPS for the Z8 in your comparison. If the Z8 and Z9 had been launched together, the Z8 would have been better for me. For now, I'm sticking with my Z7 and my Z9. I do really like that the learning curve for the Z9 basically applies 99.5% to the Z8. I hope they do update the 600 gram Z7 with an Expeed 7. I really, really wish the Z7 had the green confirmation on autofocus with AF-C like the Z8 and Z9 have. I didn't appreciate how valuable it is to have a power delivery port and a USB-C full functioning port for video until your video.
Yeah GPS is the first thing I disable so it didn't stick out to me. I know people like it. Good add. I'm dreaming of the Z6iii to go with my 9 and Q2. I really don't think I'll keep the 8.
Thank you for a very nice and pleasant review! Especially thank you for not shouting your way through it. I shoot birds and whales in low light with a Z6ii, and seriously considering investing in the z8. Not that everything has to be about genders nowadays, but as a woman with small hands, the Z8 seems like a perfect solution! Nikon's D3, D850 etc are all great cameras, but i cannot operate them with ease as theyre simply too big for my hands and reach, and i dare to say itd be the same with a Z9. Z8 seems to offer a good well rounded solution with size, focusing, speed etc. Keep up your nice work!
Awwww makes my night to read that. Thanks so much! Hit me up via email any time with any questions. I think you'll LOVE that upgrade.
Ther Z8 will be very popular to ALL Nikon Photographers (at least who skipped the Z9 - too much over the needs) because there is gape between the Z7 II (2-3 years) and the Z9, the only option we have is the Z8
Hmmm. It's really just a Z9 that's cheaper without the vertical grip. Not really a bridge, just a 2nd form factor of the same camera. Nothing really new at all and not less capable than the Z9, just cheaper and smaller.
Good discussion and analysis of who it's for. I went from a used Z6 to a used Z7. The 7ii just didn't have enough extra for me to go for a new one. This step up, however, makes it worth buying new. Having more controls by buttons instead of menus, the more agile screen, sensor cover, better autofocus, and the better viewfinder all sound great. Illuminated buttons and other features are just icing.
You'll love it!
Was the depth of field preview problem fixed with the Z9? Thanks!
Won't know until mine arrives, but fingers are crossed!
From your comments at the very end, Hudson, it sounds like the best way to utilize the bird eye AF detect is the “hybrid” 2-button method you recommend for the z9? No change there? That is one reason I held off on the Z9 (and lack of 200-600 lens), and why I was considering the Sony A1 with its single button for bird eye AF.
I don't think you understand the hybrid eye detect method. It's eye detect in each mode. With the hybrid option you begin with a wider AF tracking "area" instead of a point to detect a small, fast, erratic subject (say a big center box or a big box on the one side of the frame) much like group area on a D5/850/500, but then as your subject flys in and you aquire a lock in the box, you hit the function button to track it framewide (still with eye detect too) by converting the tracked subject to 3D. It just works amazingly accurately to quickly aquire a fast subject. It limits the cameras search to that one big box, but with a button press that tracking goes to framewide 3D. I find it easier than sony or canons tracking. A trick they don't have.
If you don't need hybrid or want to use it, 3d tracking alone looks for and locks subjects/torsos/heads/eyes frame wide. It's simply harder to nab smaller, erratic, moving subjects as they first enter the frame before thier eyes are detected with the much smaller 3D AF square, but once you do, you track framewide. If eyes or a head are obvious, they light up to track whether near the 3d point or not. 3D alone is the go to mode for larger, more predictable, frame-filling subjects. No need for hybrid in that case.
With the hybrid method you direct the camera to look for smaller subjects only in that wide area, but a button press switches you to 3d framewide tracking on the subject you picked up in wide area. Practice it a few times and you'll miss it on an A1. :) that's my positron having shot them both a ton. The Z8 is identical. It has that advanced hybrid capability that other brands do not.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto Thanks for your helpful reply. Yup, didn’t fully understand it!
I just ordered a Z8 to replace my D500. This means that for a while, I will be adapting my 500PF to the Z8. I will also be adding a TC. I have a couple questions:
1. Have you ever tried using the Z mount TC with an adapted F mount lense, 500PF in my case?
2. Would I get better performance/image quality if I trade the 500PF for the 400/4.5? 500PF plus TC14 vs 400/4.5 plus TC14 slightly cropped.
3. I also own the 100-400. Would the 100-400 with the Z14 TC have similar performance/IQ as the 500PF.
Hey TC you'll love that switch. I shot thousands of frames with the 500pf on the FTZ until I got the 100-400 and 800 PF. That 500 is still a lens I highly recommend for Z shooters. There are many of my workshop regulars still happily using it on the Z9.
The new 400 is unbelievably light, small and sharp. It's bokeh is a little nicer, but you lose 20% of your reach. I did enjoy testing it and I have descerning clients who adore it. It handles the Z 1.4TC as well or better than the 500 with the F 1.4TC. They're both great lenses though. I shoot the 100-400 with the 1.4 as well and it's just fine. A bit slow for low light, but great IQ. :)
@@HudsonHenryPhoto Thank you for your response. I was hoping to avoid purchasing both F and Z TC's. Will the FTZ adaptor work between an Fmount lens and a Zmount TC?
BTW, does the Z8 do the "in camera" focus stack? That looks like a very cool feature. Also, does the Z8 have the same "Starlight" autofocus as the Z9?
Every nikon since the last dslr generation has in camera focus stacking (no Z camera lacks it). They even added it to cameras released without it via firmware. Yes it's a mini z9 in every way including the night modes.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto Thanks.
The Z8 isn't cheap, but compared to the lighter (than Z9) Sony A1 and higher resolution and cheaper than the Canon R3, the price is competitive. The vertical grip looks poorly designed (longer and deeper than the body) from an esthetic standpoint. The Z8 vertical grip engages the Z8 body via the Z8 camera battery compartment - so you loose that compartment to get two, not three batteries to use. The vertical grip also makes the camera bigger than the Z9. The Z8 battery compartment is too small to every take the larger battery (i.e. Z9). It will be interesting to see how it sells and how many buy the vertical grip (also interested in your experience when you get it in hand). It makes economic sense for Nikon to recycle the sensor and other Z9 hardware to get the most out of the R/D. There are certainly people that were waiting for this. I don't see getting rid of my Z9 (although I'd like lighter weight). I want either a medium resolution better low light Z body or APSC version that can do a higher frame rate raw with better pixel count than the Z9 in crop. I'm interested in how the heat dissipation will be in 8K 60p recording with Z8. Last, but not least, getting rid of the dial on the top left makes some sense and I can see why they would place WB as a button instead of flash for some. I'll be curious to hear your thoughts once you have the camera in hand.
All valid and not dissimilar to my thoughts. I'll only use the grip for long lens handheld work. My guess is I keep the Z9 and wait on what's next. I'd also love a Z500.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto That's exactly where I was going with my comment, without S.P.E.L.L.I.N.G. it out! Cheers!
I want it, I don’t need it, but I want it😂 I’m trading every piece of Canon gear that I own and had enough to buy the Nikon Z 600mm f4. I think that’s still the way I’m going to go. I have the Z9, D850 and Z7ii. I thought maybe I could trade the D850 for the Z8, but I’m not sure.
The more you use the Z glass, the less you'll own compatible with the 850. Mine started collecting dust long ago and went away.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto well plans changed😂 I sold my D850 and ordered the Z8. I’m fully mirrorless now except I kept the af-s 70-200 fl e, 500mm pf and the 300mm pf. I’m so happy right now😂
Thank you for this. It is just what I have been waiting for as you know. A Z9 but lighter and evrything the Z9 is and more (love the USB-C ports for video). I also put my order in at 7am yesterday. We will see how long it takes to get here. Well off to Italy on Saturday, talk when I get back- G
Have a blast Gary! If it takes too long to get, which I don't think it will, I'll likely not be keeping mine... I've really grown used to the 9's handling. Give April a hug.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto I would love to buy your Z8 if you don't keep it and my order takes forever. I would be up (or should I say down) for that. Just think, maybe I would get it pre-programmed. Let's talk seriously about this. April says Hi and give my best to Stacey and the family.- G
I was really hoping for the built-in GPS, the SnapBridge on my Z7 II is useless for GPS geotagging. Will it work with the old Nikon GP-1 GPS unit?
Hmmm, I've no idea. I turn off all GPS on the Z9. I'd prefer not to broadcast most of my locations.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto can you not turn off GPS location when you upload to the internet? I would want GPS for my personal use only.
I believe if your shooting all day and a lot of vertical shots the Z9 is your camera. This is because there is no advantage of the z8 with the added grip because it will be in fact bigger and just as heavy as the z9 with less options. Also you will lose the performance of 2 CF-express cards in the backup mode. Also if your in a wet environment all day the z9 will handle that better. If your doing landscapes and hiking a lot the z8 will be better. Also with the z9 they will take $150 off the price, the z8? and the vertical grip will be another $375, so your only saving $1000
I'd only every mount that grip for handheld long prime lens work where you need both elbows down to brace the weight when vertical. It would not ever be on the camera in the bag, it threads on as the big lens mounts.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto I do tend to use longer lenses and shoot portrait mode in sports all day, and the vertical grip with my backup camera lives on my D500 as backup. I'm going to finally switch to mirrorless. The advantage of the Z8 is when I go hiking and mountain climbing. Then I wouldn't take the vertical grip at all for weight reduction in my backpack.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto I do love all your information on how the focusing system works on the Z9 and other tips. Even though I have a lot of experience (in sports) there's a lot I don't know.
General question since I am still 750 + 500, how is Z9 (and presumably Z8) with the older lenses in terms of human eye detection/focus?
I can see maybe trying the Z8 for my first mirrorless, but collecting new lenses will take a while.
Thanks
The eye detection and focus will work flawlessly with your F-mount lenses when using the FTZ. I also am not giving up my 105 1.4, and it also works great with my Sigma 135 1.8.
Randy is 100 percent correct. It'll work great.
@@randygerber1565 Thanks so much
Hi Hudson....I am thinking about moving from a D500 to the Z8....One concern for me though,I have a couple of dx lenses I don't want to stop using...With the adapter,will I have any issues using the dx lenses with Z8...Thanks
The lenses will likely vignette...darkened corners.
@@thefourthquarter7429 thanks...I thought that might be the case
No, that's not an issue at all. It will crop automatically to aps-c off the full frame sensor with no more vignetting than the d500. The crop is not that different in resolution than the D500. It's just under 20mp and it will fill the evf without any letterboxing. No issue at all. :) the day I first tested the Z9 is the day my last dslr (the D500) went up for sale. You'll love the upgrade.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto Thank you so much for the detail explanation Hudson
Have you ever had or heard of the Z9 seizing up? Have to remove the battery & re-install for a fix?
I've never seen it personally. I do have a workshop participant who has an issue with his play button sometimes having issues. That's it.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto Thank you. Wonder if it could be the memory cards.
Good idea to test. If not, have Nikon look at it under warranty!
hi! you mean battery brick or grip? thanks!
I discuss both. Vertical battery grip holds 2 batteries and lets you keep your elbows both anchored to your body handholding a long lens. Battery brick powers and/or charges your camera while plugged into the USB-C port. You'll find both in the links in this video's description.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto thanks...never considered a battery brick before...thanks
The SD card is a deal breaker.
Then the Z9 is the only camera for you. :) easy
If you own a Z7II and don't shoot anything that moves much, do you need this? Seems like no.
No!!!
It's got huge advantages for night shooters too. The starlight view, better low light autofocus and warm display option have to be used to be believed. Night, non-human subject tracking and burst shooting are the only places it thumps the Z7ii. It does thump the Z7ii by a lot in those arenas though. When non-Z9 shooters (including A1 shooters) see my setup on workshop milky way shoots, I hear a lot of HOLY ______! Look at that! I had one Sony shooter who loves night work completely switch brands to get the Z9's warm display, low light AF and starlight view.
Thank you!
That’s very helpful indeed
I was waiting for this announcement to decide between the Z7ii and Z8 to add to my Z5.
Mainly landscape and nightscapes
The ability to have the screen flip out in portrait mode and the night shooting features are the big benefits imho.
What I don’t like on the Z9/Z8 is the lack of U1,U2,U3
I have a base setting for daytime landscape (U1) and nighttime (U2) and exposure stack (U3)
A quick rotation and I know I’m back to my “baseline”. Wish they would add that somehow (even if it’s via the I menu) to preserve all settings. When playing with a Z9, I discovered you have to go through a few different banks to make sure it’s set right.
Do you find it hampers your workflow?
Thanks for the reply. I believe you, its just the price tag that hurts a bit. I would need to off-load something to afford it. @@HudsonHenryPhoto
No gps in the z8
Yeah, a feature I always disable so I didn't even register that. Good catch.
The Z8 with its vertical grip is even bigger than the Z9.
Hot take
@@utopian666 Probably, but it’s also just a factual statement.
But... you can take it off. I'd only ever mount it to work with my 800 PF anyway. Maybe, once in a blue moon on the 100-400. Any other time, give me that little body please.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto The Z8 isn’t little compared to the Z6 or 7, but point taken.
Trust me, I want a Z6iii. I'd be way more excited for that personally. However, for those who don't have a Z9, this packs a lot of punch in a much smaller and significantly cheaper body.
I pre-ordered. I can’t wait to finally get a taste of better AF on a Z body. I’ve been shooting with Z6, Z6ii, and Z7ii. Their great for landscapes but challenging to use for sports and wildlife shooting. I pre-ordered the Z9 when it first came out. The wait and the weight and size of the camera made me hold off. My patience is finally going to get rewarded once the Z8 shows up at the front door. 😊
I currently have two Z9’s which I love. I preordered the Z8 through NPS, and although I prefer the Z9’s when I’m shooting events, I’m excited about having something a little smaller and lighter for backpacking when I’m shooting landscapes. I will miss the GPS. Incidentally, the weather sealing is not quite the same as the Z9; it’s more on par with the D850.
They keep comparing the D850 to pull in dslr holdouts. Even the original Z7 is insanely weather sealed. I've put that to insane test being directly hit with a saltwater wave and then dumping 40oz of fresh water over it to flush. Never a hiccup. Whether it's exceeds the D850 as stated in the marketing or is similar to z9... I trust Nikon to do it well.
@@HudsonHenryPhoto Hello Hudson, I’m still stressing over whether I should trade/sell one of my Z9’s for the Z8. Then I would have one Z9 and one Z8 as a backup or vice versa. All these videos about potential overheating issues is not critical to me since I’m primarily a “stills” photographer. As an NPS member, I expect to get a call from my local dealer in the next day or two. I already received an email from Nikon that it was shipped. I’d love to hear your thoughts.
If I was toting dual Z9's then yes... I'd do that in a heartbeat. For sure. I am holding it for a Z7iii I replace my Z6ii as my backup and video cam. :)
I own the Z9. I had a D500 and never used the battery grip. The fact that the Z9 has a built in grip has been really helpful. I now find that I shoot vertically because it’s available to me. It is heavy but I shoot with the 400 z and 1.4 teleconverter and have ordered the 800z ( been waiting a year for it). I will keep what I have. I use a monopod and it’s very well balanced with big lenses. I hope that Nikon offers more firmware upgrades to improve autofocus, especially eye autofocus on birds that are further away. Z8 is a great camera but I will keep what I have, despite the added weight. Great option if you don’t want the battery grip and want to save $1500. Don’t understand why they didn’t include dual CF express cards.
Great session!! Time to swap the Z9 to the Z8!!