I put my P1S into a CR10 enclosure and put a hepa filter unit inside with it. It does get warm inside, but never hot. I feel like this is the best and most obvious solution to this problem that no one else seems to be doing.
@@bearwolffish you’re absolutely right. Since posting this comment I have found a better solution. I built and installed the “Bento Box v2” filter inside of my P1S, and then I printed a cover for the rear fan that redirects the air back into the poop chute in the back. That is called the “Air Reflux v2” on makerworld. What this does is filter the internal air with the Bento Box AND the standard bambu filter. It keeps internal temps up inside the chamber as well. Highly recommended.
Great video, thanks for sharing! I just wanted to mention that a single pass through an activated carbon filter may not fully capture all VOCs from filament emissions, depending on the type of filament. For PLA, a considerably low fume filament, the primary concern are the ultrafine particles, which the HEPA filter should handle well, but VOC capture can be harder to gauge. While the carbon filter is effective, its efficiency decreases as it becomes saturated. You might notice this as the fumes become more noticeable over time; however, it’s difficult to quantify without a calibrated air quality sensor. You may get better results by enclosing the printer in a grow tent and using a setup that recirculates air through the filters multiple times. That’s how I’ve set mine up, so I thought I’d share in case it’s helpful.
Also worth noting that the quality of the activated carbon filter plays a huge role in this. Trusted respirator manufacturers such as 3M must meet certain standards to be NIOSH approved, but I'm sure how much confidence I have in random Amazon sellers. That's why I recommend recirculation, just in case a single pass is insufficient. Also, on the off chance that you do buy your own activated carbon pellets/granules (for refills), make sure that they are acid free. Although acid-washed activated carbon is cheaper, it will rust and corrode your machines.
Morning Kilian, thank you for taking the time to share. I feel like it's an important topic, considering we can't see particles and we don't know the long term effects.
Hey everyone, I recently made an error in this video regarding the filter I use in the Bambu Lab P1S. I initially assumed that the filter material was the same on both sides. However, after further examination, I discovered that this is incorrect. To correct this, you can easily reverse the filter material within the filter housing. I will be creating a short video tutorial demonstrating this simple process shortly. I sincerely apologize for any confusion or inconvenience this error may have caused. It's important to note that even in its original configuration, the filter provides a significant improvement in air quality compared to the standard Bambu filter due to its incorporation of carbon and a high-quality fibrous material before exhausting air back into the room. Testing in progress please stay tuned. I appreciate your understanding and continued support.
Exactly right. Also consider that the fan is drawing air through the internal filter then having to push it out of your big filter and it's probably over worked which can lead to the motor dying. It's worth exploring a 200+mm fan to add behind your filter to assist in drawing out the fumes. Otherwise, the air will take the path of least resistance which may be between the hooks in the velcro.
@@bobmurphy2216 Morning Bob, I removed the internal Bambu filter to get better draw. I'm interested in the auxiliary fan too, but the Bambu fan typically runs at 60 to 70% when printing. Basically I am still testing at the moment.
Great Video... I ordered a Bambu A1 mini with the AMS Lite but ended up returning it because after some research I simply was not comfortable with printing without a proper enclosure and filtration system given that I would be printing in my basement without any nearby windows or doors to ventilate the room. I was only planning on printing with PLA which is supposedly safe but that is just because there are not enough long term studies on the effects of the microscopic particles that are released into the air when PLA is melted. Hope to get into 3D printing one day.
Thanks Oliveman and for taking the time to comment. I hope get a printer one day too. I like the enclosure too for a number of reasons but must admit that the filtration was high on the list because of the unknown long term effects. Let me know if you ever have any questions that I can answer before you buy :)
Afternoon Tatooz, Too funny because ever since I printed the filter housing I've been thinking about modifying it to add an external fan to assist with pulling air through the filter. Just an FYI that I used to use Autodesk Inventor for work purposes but transitioned to Fusion 360 for hobby proposes and it was an easy transition. Fusion 360 is free for hobbyist as long as you're not making any money from it. I turned on the monthly license when I was making a few dollars from it then turned it back off.
Thanks for sharing your safety action and for providing a fix as well. I haven't received my P1S yet but I also paint with acrylics and brushes and have installed a wall fan to move air in a small room and in addition I mounted a 6" Inline fan to suction the air in my room outdoors. I measured my room's total cubic volume and I know it's an over kill but I did my research and a 4" Inline Fan would of been perfectly functional. With pets and family in the household it seemed better to go into turbo mode on the side of safety. XD Btw how pleased are you with your BTT screen, I haven't come to a conclusion on whether it's worth the addition or not. Thanks again.
@aberodriguez4149 thank you for taking the time to comment and I'm glad you're taking care of your family's safety. Venting to the outdoors is definitely the best solution. The hepa is better that the original filter at least. I didn't care for the BTT and sold it on ebay. Practice navigating the screen, then decide if you want to add it. I have two p1s and load them from my computer via wifi. I rarely use the screen on the printers. Thanks again for taking the time I appreciate it
@@mayhemsmiley Thank you for your honest and speedy response, I will heed your words plus take that sixty bucks and invest in 3D filaments rolls. Thank you.
Have you ever looked into the A1? Would love to understand safety there. Everyone seems to think it’s safe but there’s research that shows PLA still emits dangerous particles.
No sorry I haven't. I owned two open bed slingers and it always bothered me. What was I exposing myself too. But maybe search to see if someone has created an enclosure that can have a filtered exhaust added or upgrade to a P1S, very few issues and primarily this user error lol
Thanks for the effort in making this as I'm considering whether to pull the trigger on Bambu P1S for their Black Friday Sale. Air quality is a concern for me. I've done quite a fair bit of research and just wanted to point out that whilst your idea is fundamentally sound, it's not working as anticipated due to the filter. The UFP from 3D printing for PLA and PETG (2 of the most commonly used) is usually 0.1 micron. Most HEPA filters max out at 2.5 microns (including the one you used). Hence, almost all of the UFPs are still floating about in the air as it is too small to be trapped by the HEPA filter. To trap it, you will need Ultra Low Penetration Air Filter, which isn't easily available. Also, the fan will not be able to produce enough air pressure to force air through also. As of now, I think the ultimate solution is still to vent / circulate while printing.
Challenge accepted 😊 Now I have to find a UFP filter and add a fan 😊 Thanks for sharing The hepa is at least an improvement over the plain carbon filter
@brianandrewramsey understood, but until I can work it out, the hepa is better than the carbon filter. I have to run a vent tube to the back wall and make a dryer duct opening.
@@mayhemsmiley Just that time of the year when I want a new toy, and found out that Bambu Lab 3D printer is the one. Going by your tip #5 from the other video. I knew about ABS releasing fumes. No matter how good of a job the resin manufactures do, small PPM levels of styrene (known human carcinogen) is still left in them. Love your carbon filter idea, that is the way to go.
I just ordered the P1S. I have an A1 and that sets off my air quality meter when I open up the enclosure I put it in. I think I want to try your solution here and see if I get any different results p1S vs A1.
i installed a 6inch bathroom exhaust fan in ceiling of 11x8ft office i print in, i print resin so it was needed to remove fumes but also doubled to remove fumes and excessive heat from fdm printing. pretty sure the biggest concern fdm printing air quality wise is the carbon fiber mixed filaments they offer now in almost every plastic type....thats the stuff i don't want to breath in
@Burnstation3D hey thanks for taking the rind to share. I'd rather err on the side of caution. I plan on playing with printers for a long time and err really don't know the long term effects. Plus I want to play with all the materials lol
@@mayhemsmiley I don't spend much time in the room physically, door closed...intake vent from my basement, output through vent to outside. I understand your concerns if it's in a constant workspace. cancer does suck, been there done that 6 years in remission 🙏😁
@@Burnstation3D Wow so happy to hear that you are in remission, cancer royally sux. Some may call me paranoid and I'm willing to accept it to avoid learning the hard way in the long run. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Hey love the name Mancave LOL Thanks for commenting. Yah I saw the Bento box, but I'm being fussy cause I don't like it. I didn't want to mess around the inside of the printer. I really want to capture at the exhaust.
I don't believe it matters, the air passes through the carbon and then through the pleated paper. If it was a stronger fan or you put another fan on the other side that could potentially damage the paper pleats. Furnace filters have a direction due to the strength of the fan and those filters have supports for the paper.
Hey Badtoro, I've wondered many times when I was using bed slingers and PLA, but now that I'm starting use some other materials I just don't want to risk the health of my lungs. Thanks for commenting and watching
I have often wondered the same thing. One of the reasons I bought the X1 Carbon was its enclosed, only to find that when printing PLA I need to leave the door open. 😞
@@thedude7450 I've never left the door open on either, but they are both in may cool damp basement. Always cool down there even on hot summer days. I've had one running for days endlessly. I wonder if the cool basement makes a difference?
@ Interesting. I just got mine 2 weeks ago and was just going off of what the manufacturer said. Edit: I just searched the Bambulabs subreddit and got a million different opinions. Some do, some don’t. I think it has a lot to do with overall room temperature too. My room gets quite warm. I have about 90 or so hours with the door open and not a single failure.
i just ordered a P1S and am looking into filters and this one seems to be the best I've found sofar, all the others use tiny little filters and carbon packs and wont do much. i would just love to add another fan to the outside maybe to help pull more air. i wondering if i just hang a 140mm fan on the outside of the filter that would prob help alot. or maybe add in another fan into the design on the inside of the housing where it mounts up to the printer. also another idea is making a cap that goes over the end and adding a blower fan that has the power to suck the air our and push it to the side. what are your thoughts?
Thanks Ready and thanks for the comment, I appreciate it. I would try this out first before adding another fan for two reasons. Typically on most slices where I've looked at the default fan speed it is set to 60% I'd love to know what the cfm capacity of the fan is. My printers are in my always cool basement and I'd be concerned about cooling down the chamber too much. I doubt it but I don't have any proof. Will this be your first printer?
@@mayhemsmiley yea this is my first printer so not sure what to expect, and ill be in the same room as the printer all day and night so I'm worried about the fumes. i do have an option to vent it outside but have to run a vent hose 15ft and rearrange my room to make it work. although that is the safer option.
Hey ! Thank you for this amazing video. It could help many people trying to have a better air while printing. I was going to experiment your solution so I checked the airflow on the fan at the rear of the printer (I have a p1s like you) but it appears that it actually sucked air inside the printer. I checked while printing an object with PLA filament. If air get sucked in with the fan in my case, there should be somewhere a fan that pushes air, right ? Again thanks for your video, I'm just trying to understand why in my case air got pulled inside while in your video it's pushed outside.
Hey Ade, leaving the addon filter off, does the fan push air? or does it pulls only when the add on filter is in place? Is the filter housing well aligned with the fan's exhaust? Let me know, my curiosity is peaked.
@@mayhemsmileythank you for yout answer ! I don’t have the filter addon yet so consider my question with « default » configuration for the p1s. I just checked the rear fan while printing,and saw that actually air got sucked inside rather than pushed outside. Is there any configuration you did on the p1s to have reverse air flow ?
@@ademusta5878 Hey Ade, I checked mine out without the filter in place and mine is definitely exhausting the air from the chamber. I have to admit I don't know why yours is pulling air into the chamber. Sorry, may be ask Bambu.
I know some filters, like cars' engine filters, specify the flow direction. I noticed that the pictures on Amazon depicts flow that is opposite to how you've configured yours. Do you think that could affect the performance of your filter?
Hi Cdeeze, I don't think it makes a difference. I'm not an HVAC or HEPA filter expert, but the paper portion would catch the particles. For some filters the orientation will definitely matter depending upon the strength of the fan pushing air could blow out the paper. That won't happen in this case. The air unit pulls air from the charcoal side so pulls air through the paper. If I add a fan on the outside I will add a grill to help keep the paper in position. Thanks for taking the time to comment and please share your thoughts on my comment.
Hey kgh sorry for the delay responding. Not sure I understand the first question. But as for the bento box, I find my solution simpler with a much bigger filter. Plus it was fun for me to create. Give me more details about your first question. Thanks for taking the time to comment.
Hey I was wondering if you have any updates on your system, how do you like it since the video was released? Does the built in fan to the exhaust move enough air? I 3D printed in my garage for a year with no ventilation on a bed slinger and am now extremely concerned about long term exposure to PLA fumes and ultra fine particles because of a lack of research and everyone just blindly saying it’s “safe”. Thinking of taking advantage of the P1S Black Friday sale, and this filter would allow me to keep it tucked back in the garage again with little worry about fumes or particles!
@legomotion713 Hey Lego motion. It's working great and I can still detect air flow through the filter even with the fan running at 70%. I've bought a second P1S and added the filter to it as well. The very best thing you can do is vent outdoors, but that's difficult in my case. This solution is better than the printer came with.
I know this is a few weeks old, but I have a thought/question that keeps rattling around in my old brain. Is the exhaust fan used in the X1C a standard PC fan? The reason I ask is that I am curious if replacing it with a high static pressure fan meant for a water cooling setup on a PC would more efficiently push air through the added filter. Obviously more involved than adding a second fan on the outside to push/pull the air, but it might be worth the effort.
Morning Thomas Sorry for the delay I don't know what kind of fan but did notice that when printing the fan only runs at 60% It moves air through the filter because I can feel it. I'll have to try running the fan at a higher percentage to see if there is any negative impact to the print.
Morning Raniz, Yup the Amazon image shows the opposite air flow. I don't believe it makes a difference. The orientation that I am using the air flows through the carbon portion first then the paper and the paper is where the 0.3 micron particles will be trapped. I will cut one open shortly to challenge my method and ideally show that the paper has no orientation. The fan is not powerful enough to damage the filter structurally, if it were a ventilation fan and filter that would be a different story. Thank you for taking the time to comment.
@raniz9056 both of my printers the fan is pushing the air out of the printer chamber. I know there is someone who has an issue with the air being pushed into the chamber and no idea why.
Buying a 'very reasonably priced' filter on amazon usually means you bought a 'very not good' filter. You need a good air quality meter and run tests before and after using hepa (or claimed hepa compliant) filters.
I hear you about the good quality air meter, but where to get something reliable at a reasonable price. Best sure fire solution is to exhaust outside, but at least this solution is better than what came with the printer for now.
Do you experience less smell from the printer? I've bought P1S recently and the smell really concerns me. It prints faster and with higher temp than my previous Ender 3, so I can understand why. Really thinking about air purifier for it.
@Andrii-i7j I haven't noticed any smell and I've tested with pla plus and plaf without issue. If it was easy I would ventilate right outdoors. Maybe one day 😊
@ Sorry, you're right, the context is important. It's 95% PLA for me, so I was talking about it. Actually, I bought an IKEA air purifier for 60 EUR, put it behind the printer fan, and like 80% of the smell disappeared. Also got an IKEA simple air quality analizer, when the purifier is working, the sensor stays green all the time.
Why not simply place a cut out piece of an FFP2/3 corona mask over the air inlet in the printer in front of the activated carbon filter? Seems like the simplest, cheapest and most effective solution to me.
Can't argue with you, that is one way to go. I didn't find mine difficult to do either and it is a big filter that won't need changing often. It wasn't expensive either. If you ever try your idea, please share it, I'm open minded. Thanks for taking the time to comment :)
LOL yup you are right, but the fan still pulls from the chamber even if it drafts the waste hatch. Another of my videos I burned incense inside the chamber to show the fan pulling the smoke from the chamber. Love that you brought it up. Thank you 😊
Yes I temporarily removed the links until I finish my testing. Detailed explanation in the first comment and description of an error on my part. Stay tuned
Be careful with this method. Even if the fan is blowing air, if the filter is a true HEPA 13 filter, it will heavily restrict the fan or overwork it. Those fans were not designed for this type of ventilation. If you notice a massive difference in the sound output of the fan, look for a different option.
Hey Frump, is that what you do? If yes any recommendations? I really like the idea of exhausting outdoors the best, but it's complicated form the room I use for printing and would love to collect at the source so that it doesn't even make it into the room at all. Thanks for watching and dropping a comment.
@@mayhemsmiley I’ve been suffering from migraines really bad for about a year and a half now. I got into 3d printing about 4-5 months ago and was scared it might make them worse. I got an air quality monitor to see how many particles and VOCs were being emitted. It was high when I printed abs. I ended up with a bento box which seemed to help but not eliminate the odors. I ended up venting outdoors and added a 140mm computer fan in the ductwork to assist in drawing the odors. Now I can print abs without any rise or very very slight rise in pm2.5 or voc. I did also get a hepa air purifier for the room that we occupy the most. I got a Coway air mega 400 and can’t recommend it enough. It is absolutely awesome. It was around 350 dollars but when you have more migraines than migraine free days, if it saves me from 1 migraine it’s money well spent. I put my printer and ventilation on smart plugs and set up an automation that controls the fan in the ductwork and the bento box so it just works without me having to remember to turn anything on.
Thank you, I will share the file again shortly. I've been made aware of an error that I made. I've corrected the error and am testing. Once the test is complete I will add a video and share them make the files available again. Thank you for your çomment and happy holidays. 😊 thank you for your patience
All printers, in my opinion. The absolute best solution would be to exhaust too the outdoors, but difficult to do where I use my printer. Since I bought the Bambu I haven't been using the other printers partially because I've become obsessed with it. The prints are just so easy and amazing
That fan is for cooling the power supply for the printer not to evacuate the chamber . That restriction will more than likely burn up the power supply for your printer. Plus people have already had problems with that fan not cooling enough and some have swapped it out for a better one. Just wanted to post to try and save a printer lol Good Luck
Hi Lazypilot, thanks for taking the time. Love to start a discussion and investigate more. I certainly don't want to burn up mine or anyone else's printer. Trying to err on the side of caution for long term lung health. I have mine printing up to about 20 hours a day in my home lately. Printing another Deadpool mask for a friend at the moment :) I performed other tests than just the dryer sheet. I performed a smoke test which I wouldn't anyone to micmic without precautions. That fan pulls through the charcoal filter, I will redo this test once the printer stops later today. I've thought about adding another fan on the exterior of the housing that I designed to assist pulling air through the filter. Just an FYI to reduce the restriction I removed the Bambu charcoal filter and the flow rate increased incredibly. I will also investigate the chamber fan path a little deeper. Do you happen to have or know a recommendation of a better fan? I'll reply with more news soon. Happy Sunday
@@mayhemsmiley I was wrong the fan for motherboard was a different fan. Been awhile since I've watched videos of people changing the fans. But noctua is what fan I would use don't use mine that much maybe one
@@mayhemsmiley It's possible to buy a really good Air purifier that would reduce the particle count down to nothing if you worried. i used to have MI Air Purifier 2, it shows live data how many particles etc got in air, and it has fantastic filters too, I gave it to my Mrs grandparents to make their room less dusty and remove smells , works like a charm.
@@themrarcijs Hey The Mr, thanks I will check it out. I love the idea of capturing right at the exhaust, ideally so that it doesn't even get into the room and ultimately exhaust right outdoors, but that is complicated from my printing room. Mrs has me almost in the dungeon LOL
@@lazypilot99 Thanks for update. I investigated pretty thoroughly before but thought you might have caught me making a mistake. I really appreciate you letting me know. :)
Morning Zaaap0, can you share where you're getting the info from? I love these printers, but would love a reliable concrete study be done for reliable conclusions. Let me know Thanks
@@mayhemsmiley I recommend ignoring this comment unless they provide more information to substantiate their claim. Respirator filters rated for organic compounds are typically recommended to be replaced every six months after initial exposure, though this can vary depending on the environment. Your home likely has nowhere near the level of fumes found in industrial settings, though do pay in mind the types of filaments you use. As for those who claim to work in such environments without issue, don’t let their disregard for their own health affect your decision-making. Use your best judgment. After all it’s your health that matters most, not the opinions of random strangers on the internet.
HI Malaphisis, Hopefully they have proper ventilation and air filtration. Just trying to be proactive and prevent any possibilities. I want to enjoy this hobby for a long time. I'm starting to run the printer in the house up to 20 hours a day lately. Thanks for watching.
History is full of workers getting ill from their work environment and finding out years later ... often long after the company they worked for went bust. Health is not something you want want to gambling with.
Here is the video of the correction to Hepa filter using the same mounting housing, Apologies for the error. ua-cam.com/video/nhfuI-xz7tk/v-deo.html
Life saver man thank you hope to see more of your videos!
Thank you so much for the kind words and comment. I will definitely be posting more videos, I need more time LOL
@ Can’t wait my man thank you!
@@OKBZERO LOL Thanks, I can't wait too, so many ideas and things to share. I finally know what I want to be when I grow up LOL
I put my P1S into a CR10 enclosure and put a hepa filter unit inside with it. It does get warm inside, but never hot. I feel like this is the best and most obvious solution to this problem that no one else seems to be doing.
Hey Night, it did cross my mind for my bed slingers. Thanks for taking the time to comment. Happy printing
@@bearwolffish you’re absolutely right. Since posting this comment I have found a better solution. I built and installed the “Bento Box v2” filter inside of my P1S, and then I printed a cover for the rear fan that redirects the air back into the poop chute in the back. That is called the “Air Reflux v2” on makerworld. What this does is filter the internal air with the Bento Box AND the standard bambu filter. It keeps internal temps up inside the chamber as well. Highly recommended.
@@nightzelmods thank you for this comment
Great video, thanks for sharing! I just wanted to mention that a single pass through an activated carbon filter may not fully capture all VOCs from filament emissions, depending on the type of filament. For PLA, a considerably low fume filament, the primary concern are the ultrafine particles, which the HEPA filter should handle well, but VOC capture can be harder to gauge. While the carbon filter is effective, its efficiency decreases as it becomes saturated. You might notice this as the fumes become more noticeable over time; however, it’s difficult to quantify without a calibrated air quality sensor. You may get better results by enclosing the printer in a grow tent and using a setup that recirculates air through the filters multiple times. That’s how I’ve set mine up, so I thought I’d share in case it’s helpful.
Also worth noting that the quality of the activated carbon filter plays a huge role in this. Trusted respirator manufacturers such as 3M must meet certain standards to be NIOSH approved, but I'm sure how much confidence I have in random Amazon sellers. That's why I recommend recirculation, just in case a single pass is insufficient. Also, on the off chance that you do buy your own activated carbon pellets/granules (for refills), make sure that they are acid free. Although acid-washed activated carbon is cheaper, it will rust and corrode your machines.
Morning Kilian, thank you for taking the time to share. I feel like it's an important topic, considering we can't see particles and we don't know the long term effects.
Hey everyone, I recently made an error in this video regarding the filter I use in the Bambu Lab P1S. I initially assumed that the filter material was the same on both sides. However, after further examination, I discovered that this is incorrect.
To correct this, you can easily reverse the filter material within the filter housing. I will be creating a short video tutorial demonstrating this simple process shortly.
I sincerely apologize for any confusion or inconvenience this error may have caused.
It's important to note that even in its original configuration, the filter provides a significant improvement in air quality compared to the standard Bambu filter due to its incorporation of carbon and a high-quality fibrous material before exhausting air back into the room.
Testing in progress please stay tuned.
I appreciate your understanding and continued support.
I updated your design so if you like I can share the STL file with you
Exactly right. Also consider that the fan is drawing air through the internal filter then having to push it out of your big filter and it's probably over worked which can lead to the motor dying. It's worth exploring a 200+mm fan to add behind your filter to assist in drawing out the fumes. Otherwise, the air will take the path of least resistance which may be between the hooks in the velcro.
@@gokostombak7176 Any chance you could make this public? I ordered the filter a week ago, and it just arrived, after the file was taken down.
@@gokostombak7176That's great news. Have you printed it? if so can you upload to Makerworld? I'll check it out.
@@bobmurphy2216 Morning Bob, I removed the internal Bambu filter to get better draw. I'm interested in the auxiliary fan too, but the Bambu fan typically runs at 60 to 70% when printing. Basically I am still testing at the moment.
Great Video... I ordered a Bambu A1 mini with the AMS Lite but ended up returning it because after some research I simply was not comfortable with printing without a proper enclosure and filtration system given that I would be printing in my basement without any nearby windows or doors to ventilate the room. I was only planning on printing with PLA which is supposedly safe but that is just because there are not enough long term studies on the effects of the microscopic particles that are released into the air when PLA is melted. Hope to get into 3D printing one day.
Thanks Oliveman and for taking the time to comment. I hope get a printer one day too. I like the enclosure too for a number of reasons but must admit that the filtration was high on the list because of the unknown long term effects. Let me know if you ever have any questions that I can answer before you buy :)
Damn, I really need to learn how to model. This is brilliant and I have a bunch of 120mm fans so I’m going to add one to outside. Thank you for this
Afternoon Tatooz, Too funny because ever since I printed the filter housing I've been thinking about modifying it to add an external fan to assist with pulling air through the filter. Just an FYI that I used to use Autodesk Inventor for work purposes but transitioned to Fusion 360 for hobby proposes and it was an easy transition. Fusion 360 is free for hobbyist as long as you're not making any money from it. I turned on the monthly license when I was making a few dollars from it then turned it back off.
Thank you for sharing your experience! This is helpful.
Thank you for taking the time to let me know its useful 😊
Very useful - thanks for sharing your experiences
Thanks Mark for taking the time to comment :)
Thanks for sharing your safety action and for providing a fix as well. I haven't received my P1S yet but I also paint with acrylics and brushes and have installed a wall fan to move air in a small room and in addition I mounted a 6" Inline fan to suction the air in my room outdoors. I measured my room's total cubic volume and I know it's an over kill but I did my research and a 4" Inline Fan would of been perfectly functional. With pets and family in the household it seemed better to go into turbo mode on the side of safety. XD Btw how pleased are you with your BTT screen, I haven't come to a conclusion on whether it's worth the addition or not. Thanks again.
@aberodriguez4149 thank you for taking the time to comment and I'm glad you're taking care of your family's safety. Venting to the outdoors is definitely the best solution. The hepa is better that the original filter at least. I didn't care for the BTT and sold it on ebay. Practice navigating the screen, then decide if you want to add it. I have two p1s and load them from my computer via wifi. I rarely use the screen on the printers. Thanks again for taking the time I appreciate it
@@mayhemsmiley Thank you for your honest and speedy response, I will heed your words plus take that sixty bucks and invest in 3D filaments rolls. Thank you.
Have you ever looked into the A1? Would love to understand safety there. Everyone seems to think it’s safe but there’s research that shows PLA still emits dangerous particles.
No sorry I haven't. I owned two open bed slingers and it always bothered me. What was I exposing myself too.
But maybe search to see if someone has created an enclosure that can have a filtered exhaust added or upgrade to a P1S, very few issues and primarily this user error lol
thank u
@tunganhnguyen9366 Thanks for taking the time to let me know it's useful.
Thanks for the effort in making this as I'm considering whether to pull the trigger on Bambu P1S for their Black Friday Sale. Air quality is a concern for me.
I've done quite a fair bit of research and just wanted to point out that whilst your idea is fundamentally sound, it's not working as anticipated due to the filter. The UFP from 3D printing for PLA and PETG (2 of the most commonly used) is usually 0.1 micron. Most HEPA filters max out at 2.5 microns (including the one you used).
Hence, almost all of the UFPs are still floating about in the air as it is too small to be trapped by the HEPA filter. To trap it, you will need Ultra Low Penetration Air Filter, which isn't easily available. Also, the fan will not be able to produce enough air pressure to force air through also.
As of now, I think the ultimate solution is still to vent / circulate while printing.
Challenge accepted 😊
Now I have to find a UFP filter and add a fan 😊
Thanks for sharing
The hepa is at least an improvement over the plain carbon filter
Vent circulate - like use vent tubing to get it outside?
@brianandrewramsey understood, but until I can work it out, the hepa is better than the carbon filter. I have to run a vent tube to the back wall and make a dryer duct opening.
Great job, great channel, subscribed!
Thank you Balamus, let me know what's on your mind, what brought you here?
@@mayhemsmiley Just that time of the year when I want a new toy, and found out that Bambu Lab 3D printer is the one. Going by your tip #5 from the other video. I knew about ABS releasing fumes. No matter how good of a job the resin manufactures do, small PPM levels of styrene (known human carcinogen) is still left in them. Love your carbon filter idea, that is the way to go.
Thanks for your research. I bought the IKEA UPPATVIND for 30€ and just let it do it's job.
Thanks for commenting. I'll look it up.
Air purifier right next to it. Works for me.
Excellent thanks for taking the time to comment
Great job, thank you
Thanks for watching and dropping a comment.
I just ordered the P1S. I have an A1 and that sets off my air quality meter when I open up the enclosure I put it in. I think I want to try your solution here and see if I get any different results p1S vs A1.
Wow, thank you for taking the time to share. Keep us updated on your testing. I love both of my P1S
Good job!
TY TY :)
i installed a 6inch bathroom exhaust fan in ceiling of 11x8ft office i print in, i print resin so it was needed to remove fumes but also doubled to remove fumes and excessive heat from fdm printing. pretty sure the biggest concern fdm printing air quality wise is the carbon fiber mixed filaments they offer now in almost every plastic type....thats the stuff i don't want to breath in
@Burnstation3D hey thanks for taking the rind to share. I'd rather err on the side of caution. I plan on playing with printers for a long time and err really don't know the long term effects. Plus I want to play with all the materials lol
@@mayhemsmiley I don't spend much time in the room physically, door closed...intake vent from my basement, output through vent to outside. I understand your concerns if it's in a constant workspace. cancer does suck, been there done that 6 years in remission 🙏😁
@@Burnstation3D Wow so happy to hear that you are in remission, cancer royally sux. Some may call me paranoid and I'm willing to accept it to avoid learning the hard way in the long run. Thanks for watching and commenting.
also voxel makes a great filter that works well for these printers on the inside
Hey love the name Mancave LOL Thanks for commenting. Yah I saw the Bento box, but I'm being fussy cause I don't like it. I didn't want to mess around the inside of the printer. I really want to capture at the exhaust.
Does the direction and flow of air through the filter matter? because according to the images on amazon, i think you have it backwards
I don't believe it matters, the air passes through the carbon and then through the pleated paper. If it was a stronger fan or you put another fan on the other side that could potentially damage the paper pleats. Furnace filters have a direction due to the strength of the fan and those filters have supports for the paper.
If I sit in my room while the X1C runs for more than an hour, I start coughing up a storm. I had to move it to another room.
Hey Badtoro, I've wondered many times when I was using bed slingers and PLA, but now that I'm starting use some other materials I just don't want to risk the health of my lungs. Thanks for commenting and watching
what do you print?
I have often wondered the same thing. One of the reasons I bought the X1 Carbon was its enclosed, only to find that when printing PLA I need to leave the door open. 😞
@thedude7450 what happens if you leave the door closed?
Mine is in the basement and it's always 20 to 25 Celsius
@ Bambu says leave the door open when printing PLA or it will get to hot in there leading to heat creep and clogging.
@@thedude7450 I've never left the door open on either, but they are both in may cool damp basement. Always cool down there even on hot summer days. I've had one running for days endlessly. I wonder if the cool basement makes a difference?
@ Interesting. I just got mine 2 weeks ago and was just going off of what the manufacturer said.
Edit: I just searched the Bambulabs subreddit and got a million different opinions. Some do, some don’t. I think it has a lot to do with overall room temperature too. My room gets quite warm. I have about 90 or so hours with the door open and not a single failure.
@@thedude7450 So far the only nozzle clog that encountered was due to wet Silk PLA. Everything going well so far?
i just ordered a P1S and am looking into filters and this one seems to be the best I've found sofar, all the others use tiny little filters and carbon packs and wont do much. i would just love to add another fan to the outside maybe to help pull more air. i wondering if i just hang a 140mm fan on the outside of the filter that would prob help alot.
or maybe add in another fan into the design on the inside of the housing where it mounts up to the printer.
also another idea is making a cap that goes over the end and adding a blower fan that has the power to suck the air our and push it to the side.
what are your thoughts?
Thanks Ready and thanks for the comment, I appreciate it. I would try this out first before adding another fan for two reasons. Typically on most slices where I've looked at the default fan speed it is set to 60%
I'd love to know what the cfm capacity of the fan is.
My printers are in my always cool basement and I'd be concerned about cooling down the chamber too much. I doubt it but I don't have any proof. Will this be your first printer?
@@mayhemsmiley yea this is my first printer so not sure what to expect, and ill be in the same room as the printer all day and night so I'm worried about the fumes. i do have an option to vent it outside but have to run a vent hose 15ft and rearrange my room to make it work. although that is the safer option.
Hey ! Thank you for this amazing video. It could help many people trying to have a better air while printing. I was going to experiment your solution so I checked the airflow on the fan at the rear of the printer (I have a p1s like you) but it appears that it actually sucked air inside the printer. I checked while printing an object with PLA filament.
If air get sucked in with the fan in my case, there should be somewhere a fan that pushes air, right ?
Again thanks for your video, I'm just trying to understand why in my case air got pulled inside while in your video it's pushed outside.
Hey Ade, leaving the addon filter off, does the fan push air? or does it pulls only when the add on filter is in place? Is the filter housing well aligned with the fan's exhaust? Let me know, my curiosity is peaked.
@@mayhemsmileythank you for yout answer !
I don’t have the filter addon yet so consider my question with « default » configuration for the p1s. I just checked the rear fan while printing,and saw that actually air got sucked inside rather than pushed outside. Is there any configuration you did on the p1s to have reverse air flow ?
@ademusta5878 sorry for the delay. I'll experiment when I get home after work 😊
@@ademusta5878 Hey Ade, I checked mine out without the filter in place and mine is definitely exhausting the air from the chamber. I have to admit I don't know why yours is pulling air into the chamber. Sorry, may be ask Bambu.
I know some filters, like cars' engine filters, specify the flow direction. I noticed that the pictures on Amazon depicts flow that is opposite to how you've configured yours. Do you think that could affect the performance of your filter?
Hi Cdeeze, I don't think it makes a difference. I'm not an HVAC or HEPA filter expert, but the paper portion would catch the particles. For some filters the orientation will definitely matter depending upon the strength of the fan pushing air could blow out the paper. That won't happen in this case. The air unit pulls air from the charcoal side so pulls air through the paper. If I add a fan on the outside I will add a grill to help keep the paper in position. Thanks for taking the time to comment and please share your thoughts on my comment.
@@mayhemsmiley I see, thanks!
@@cdeeze HEPA side first to catch the particles then carbon on smells. if you have it the other way round the carbon gets blocked first
Does the fact that its totally enclosed not matter? What about the bento filter from voxelpla?
Hey kgh sorry for the delay responding. Not sure I understand the first question. But as for the bento box, I find my solution simpler with a much bigger filter. Plus it was fun for me to create. Give me more details about your first question. Thanks for taking the time to comment.
Hey I was wondering if you have any updates on your system, how do you like it since the video was released? Does the built in fan to the exhaust move enough air? I 3D printed in my garage for a year with no ventilation on a bed slinger and am now extremely concerned about long term exposure to PLA fumes and ultra fine particles because of a lack of research and everyone just blindly saying it’s “safe”. Thinking of taking advantage of the P1S Black Friday sale, and this filter would allow me to keep it tucked back in the garage again with little worry about fumes or particles!
@legomotion713 Hey Lego motion. It's working great and I can still detect air flow through the filter even with the fan running at 70%. I've bought a second P1S and added the filter to it as well. The very best thing you can do is vent outdoors, but that's difficult in my case. This solution is better than the printer came with.
I know this is a few weeks old, but I have a thought/question that keeps rattling around in my old brain. Is the exhaust fan used in the X1C a standard PC fan? The reason I ask is that I am curious if replacing it with a high static pressure fan meant for a water cooling setup on a PC would more efficiently push air through the added filter. Obviously more involved than adding a second fan on the outside to push/pull the air, but it might be worth the effort.
Morning Thomas
Sorry for the delay
I don't know what kind of fan but did notice that when printing the fan only runs at 60%
It moves air through the filter because I can feel it.
I'll have to try running the fan at a higher percentage to see if there is any negative impact to the print.
Let us know what you find out. Given that the unit has an internal carbon filter, I would guess it is already some kind of static pressure fan.
Are you following air in the wrong direction? The Amazon photo says you do
Morning Raniz, Yup the Amazon image shows the opposite air flow. I don't believe it makes a difference. The orientation that I am using the air flows through the carbon portion first then the paper and the paper is where the 0.3 micron particles will be trapped. I will cut one open shortly to challenge my method and ideally show that the paper has no orientation. The fan is not powerful enough to damage the filter structurally, if it were a ventilation fan and filter that would be a different story. Thank you for taking the time to comment.
The air is flowing into the machine. Not out. What BS...
@raniz9056 both of my printers the fan is pushing the air out of the printer chamber. I know there is someone who has an issue with the air being pushed into the chamber and no idea why.
Buying a 'very reasonably priced' filter on amazon usually means you bought a 'very not good' filter. You need a good air quality meter and run tests before and after using hepa (or claimed hepa compliant) filters.
I hear you about the good quality air meter, but where to get something reliable at a reasonable price. Best sure fire solution is to exhaust outside, but at least this solution is better than what came with the printer for now.
Do you experience less smell from the printer? I've bought P1S recently and the smell really concerns me. It prints faster and with higher temp than my previous Ender 3, so I can understand why. Really thinking about air purifier for it.
@Andrii-i7j I haven't noticed any smell and I've tested with pla plus and plaf without issue. If it was easy I would ventilate right outdoors. Maybe one day 😊
What types of filaments do you print with? Only PLA? Any PETG? Any TPU? Any ABS or ASA? Anything else?
@venorando3672 so far pla pla+ and plaf so far. The f is 15%abs
@ Sorry, you're right, the context is important. It's 95% PLA for me, so I was talking about it. Actually, I bought an IKEA air purifier for 60 EUR, put it behind the printer fan, and like 80% of the smell disappeared. Also got an IKEA simple air quality analizer, when the purifier is working, the sensor stays green all the time.
@ Awesome! Just be extra careful when printing that 5% which is not PLA, and you'll be golden!
Why not simply place a cut out piece of an FFP2/3 corona mask over the air inlet in the printer in front of the activated carbon filter? Seems like the simplest, cheapest and most effective solution to me.
Can't argue with you, that is one way to go. I didn't find mine difficult to do either and it is a big filter that won't need changing often. It wasn't expensive either. If you ever try your idea, please share it, I'm open minded. Thanks for taking the time to comment :)
Amazing job! But the waste hatch is still open.....
LOL yup you are right, but the fan still pulls from the chamber even if it drafts the waste hatch. Another of my videos I burned incense inside the chamber to show the fan pulling the smoke from the chamber. Love that you brought it up. Thank you 😊
Did you remove the links to the file and filter? I dont see them in the description. Would love to put this on my printer
Yes I temporarily removed the links until I finish my testing. Detailed explanation in the first comment and description of an error on my part. Stay tuned
Be careful with this method. Even if the fan is blowing air, if the filter is a true HEPA 13 filter, it will heavily restrict the fan or overwork it. Those fans were not designed for this type of ventilation. If you notice a massive difference in the sound output of the fan, look for a different option.
Hey Matt, thanks again for taking the time to post, I appreciate it.
Just add a good quality HEPA air purifier nearby. Done.
Hey Frump, is that what you do? If yes any recommendations? I really like the idea of exhausting outdoors the best, but it's complicated form the room I use for printing and would love to collect at the source so that it doesn't even make it into the room at all. Thanks for watching and dropping a comment.
@@mayhemsmiley I’ve been suffering from migraines really bad for about a year and a half now. I got into 3d printing about 4-5 months ago and was scared it might make them worse. I got an air quality monitor to see how many particles and VOCs were being emitted. It was high when I printed abs. I ended up with a bento box which seemed to help but not eliminate the odors. I ended up venting outdoors and added a 140mm computer fan in the ductwork to assist in drawing the odors. Now I can print abs without any rise or very very slight rise in pm2.5 or voc. I did also get a hepa air purifier for the room that we occupy the most. I got a Coway air mega 400 and can’t recommend it enough. It is absolutely awesome. It was around 350 dollars but when you have more migraines than migraine free days, if it saves me from 1 migraine it’s money well spent. I put my printer and ventilation on smart plugs and set up an automation that controls the fan in the ductwork and the bento box so it just works without me having to remember to turn anything on.
Nice video, can you share the file for that filter handle? thanks
Thank you, I will share the file again shortly. I've been made aware of an error that I made. I've corrected the error and am testing. Once the test is complete I will add a video and share them make the files available again. Thank you for your çomment and happy holidays. 😊 thank you for your patience
Is this a Bambu Lab only issue? I would think that this would be an issue with all 3D printers. Why target Bambu Lab?
All printers, in my opinion. The absolute best solution would be to exhaust too the outdoors, but difficult to do where I use my printer.
Since I bought the Bambu I haven't been using the other printers partially because I've become obsessed with it. The prints are just so easy and amazing
@mayhemsmiley I have a P1S. I am very happy with the ease of use and print results. It makes me look like I know what I am doing.
VOC test?
I bought a tester, but reviews said it was unreliable so I returned it. I find it odd that a study has never been done for these printers.
Ask an injection molder
Hey GJ, dang I used to know an injection molder, my suspicion says that it would not be good. Do you know any?
Doesn't work with multiple AMS filament hub. Too bad!!
How come PJ, I'm curious.
Nice🤌🏻!
Thanks Catfather :)
That fan is for cooling the power supply for the printer not to evacuate the chamber . That restriction will more than likely burn up the power supply for your printer. Plus people have already had problems with that fan not cooling enough and some have swapped it out for a better one. Just wanted to post to try and save a printer lol Good Luck
Hi Lazypilot, thanks for taking the time. Love to start a discussion and investigate more. I certainly don't want to burn up mine or anyone else's printer. Trying to err on the side of caution for long term lung health. I have mine printing up to about 20 hours a day in my home lately. Printing another Deadpool mask for a friend at the moment :) I performed other tests than just the dryer sheet. I performed a smoke test which I wouldn't anyone to micmic without precautions. That fan pulls through the charcoal filter, I will redo this test once the printer stops later today. I've thought about adding another fan on the exterior of the housing that I designed to assist pulling air through the filter. Just an FYI to reduce the restriction I removed the Bambu charcoal filter and the flow rate increased incredibly. I will also investigate the chamber fan path a little deeper. Do you happen to have or know a recommendation of a better fan? I'll reply with more news soon. Happy Sunday
@@mayhemsmiley I was wrong the fan for motherboard was a different fan. Been awhile since I've watched videos of people changing the fans. But noctua is what fan I would use don't use mine that much maybe one
@@mayhemsmiley It's possible to buy a really good Air purifier that would reduce the particle count down to nothing if you worried. i used to have MI Air Purifier 2, it shows live data how many particles etc got in air, and it has fantastic filters too, I gave it to my Mrs grandparents to make their room less dusty and remove smells , works like a charm.
@@themrarcijs Hey The Mr, thanks I will check it out. I love the idea of capturing right at the exhaust, ideally so that it doesn't even get into the room and ultimately exhaust right outdoors, but that is complicated from my printing room. Mrs has me almost in the dungeon LOL
@@lazypilot99 Thanks for update. I investigated pretty thoroughly before but thought you might have caught me making a mistake. I really appreciate you letting me know. :)
Carbon filter size is laughable. For it to work is should be around 1kg active carbon and changed every other week to work
Morning Zaaap0, can you share where you're getting the info from? I love these printers, but would love a reliable concrete study be done for reliable conclusions. Let me know Thanks
@@mayhemsmiley I recommend ignoring this comment unless they provide more information to substantiate their claim. Respirator filters rated for organic compounds are typically recommended to be replaced every six months after initial exposure, though this can vary depending on the environment. Your home likely has nowhere near the level of fumes found in industrial settings, though do pay in mind the types of filaments you use. As for those who claim to work in such environments without issue, don’t let their disregard for their own health affect your decision-making. Use your best judgment. After all it’s your health that matters most, not the opinions of random strangers on the internet.
Many people work at mills with fumes from huge extruders and printers, no issues.
Yet
HI Malaphisis, Hopefully they have proper ventilation and air filtration. Just trying to be proactive and prevent any possibilities. I want to enjoy this hobby for a long time. I'm starting to run the printer in the house up to 20 hours a day lately. Thanks for watching.
History is full of workers getting ill from their work environment and finding out years later ... often long after the company they worked for went bust. Health is not something you want want to gambling with.
EVERY impurity in the air negatively affects your health. No matter if it’s particles, fumes, gas, debris etc. etc.
@MRX-ff4vy farting too?