Dr John Hlophe's appointment to the JSC a surprise - Prof. Bohler-Muller
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
- MK Party caucus leader John Hlophe has been elected to represent the National Assembly on the Judicial Service Commission. Hlophe is among six members selected from five political parties to serve on the body that interviews and reviews complaints against judges. The impeached former Western Cape judge president is accused of trying to influence Constitutional Court justices in a matter about former president Jacob Zuma. EFF leader Julius Malema, the DA's Glynnis Breytenbach, the ANC's Fasiha Hassan and Action SA's Athol Trollip will join Hlophe at the JSC.
Professor Narnia Bohler-Muller from the Divisional Executive in the Developmental, Capable and Ethical State Research division of the Human Sciences Research Councils weighs in.
Tune into Newzroom Afrika DStv channel 405 for more.
They cry constitutionalism until it allows something they don't like, then they want to change the constitution but when others advocate for the changing of the constitution in different areas, they call them anti-constitutionalists.....The law is the law
The problem in SA are Zuma laws. What applies to Zuma does not to apply everyone. Hlope was just impeached because he was perceived to be proZuma. Not because of any law
Rule of Law, the law is above everything
Constitution allows him to be in parliament to make law like any lawmakers of parliament,why do you choose where he must be ,he was elected by us for parliament for everything
Those ethics just an excuses and bullying of umuntu omnyama if is about that it has to applied to everyone not only Judge hlophe
After listening to this I understand why MK put Hlope forward
Black child you are alone 😢😢
Troll
Dr John Hlope's Appointment. They didn't see it coming, there you are, headline corrected
Very biased analysis
You didn’t expect this to happen. Because you were against it… so predictable 😂😅😅…
What about your own integrity Prof when you shower Breytenbag with flowers with her own history and yet Julius has cause trouble. Jokes are waiting themselves
She's biased this one in this matter
Mainstream media. Propaganda. They won't correct her. If it was a black dude, they would be telling the anchor to call it out
They come on TV to blame everything on Zuma to protect Ramaphosa, their agent.
We know these white analysts with glasses, and they come to tell us the markets and morals blah blah blah 😂😂
@dandyally9983 lol as for market. Black south african are happy that ANC & DA are in national coalition 😂😂😂
The same parliament that impeached Hlophe 😂has chosen him to represent it at the jsc 😂what does it say about the impeachment 😂kafka of the kafka
Capture is the most likely road to evolve.
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These bunch of hypocrites beneficiaries of crime against humanity are amazing. They voted for Ramaphosa as the President despite section 89 Independent panel report on Phala Phala Farmgate. No body screamed "morals and ethics", the constitution they used to praise is against them today, so we must ignore it.. Niyanya zinja😂😂
Yes, how Ramaphosa is president, when the pending commission recommended the matter be ventilated in a court of law. But they pretended that report it would just vanish in thin air.
@user-gu4df7mk6x They even reported the Phala phala matter to the FBI.. These people are hypocrites.
Only fools are surprised, Hlophe is more qualified than anyone participating there!
It is not about qualification. It is about integrity of the members nominated to serve on JSC in parliament.
They don't understand integrity and morality
So now politicians got integrity ain't that a b^tch
We are not fools please
Incase appointed aplliçants request Hlope's recusal, he must do it the Zondo way on Zondo commission
He should refuse them all 😂😂😂
This lady is talking nonsense and very biased we don’t need such commentators on our TV
U can say that again, talking nonsense
She is now speaking for judges 👨⚖️
Is he going to free the previous speaker? The 21 accused in KZN. Let’s watch this saga arise……..
It means here in SA no one is fit and proper except for "those"!
What a surprising surprise, Hlophe is most law scholar qualified them all in that committee 😂😂😂!
The Law is the Law…
Hi is your husband or any of your family members been judged improperly
We should reconsider it… why now? You are ridiculous Prof.
Anc very clever who impeach him DA not AnC
only white racist civil organisations and this racist channel are opposed to Hlophe and not Black South Africans hence they are not given a platform by this channel whose content is influenced by racism.
Wrong. Black people are, we are against a disgraced and impeached judge with no ethics. JSC is all about ethics.
Black people approve of corruption.
That is why they repeatedly vote for the corrupt ANC.
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You are thinking like a racist. Do you not know that? People who are not racist and are critical thinkers have a different view. This is about ethics.
Hlophe does not deserve to be at parliament ... he must respect people of SA
For a start: a. The JSC consists of TWENTYTHREE(23) members. That in and of itself reduces the impact of a vote of any sole member; b. secondly the JSC is by definition an ADVISORY commission to the national government in matters relating to the Judiciary or administration of justice; c. THIRTEEN(13) members of the JSC, interview candidates for judicial posts and makes recommendations for possible appointments. s. and so the opinion of Dr John Hlophe, in case him being selected to participate in these interviews ONLY constitute 1/13th of the COLLECTIVE of interviewers; d. as far as 'dealing with complaints about judges is concerned: well, it's up to the president of the JSC to decide if HE deems it wise to permit Dr. Hlophe in these kinds of deliberations. My final conclusion: VERY MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING!!!
Double standards detected
Sqwiza ❤ .. Afrika Borwa is unethical so is the rest of the world but re worse 😢 Ke Gopola dinako tšeo re bego re tla dumelela malapa go tšea dinku bjalo ka tefo ya go katwa
We cannot be told by these racists what entails morals
Thank you prof. Our voices are NEVER heard. I hope people listen and understand topics like this. Come SA people lets change our mindsets
Change our mindsets ti what exactly, yes baas ? 😂😂
All NewzAfrika Analysts are bias…😂😅😅
Hlope will never be able to remain objective
But brytenbach was found guilty and suspended by the npa which followed her dismissal. So what do you call that?
You conveniently leave out the fact that she was cleared of all wrongdoing.
The same Brytenbach herself had a case as prosecutor in the Roodeporte court. This interviewee is letting this professor getting away with lies
@@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ubcleared by who? A captured judiciary with eyes for color.
He's phakathi inside
ANC in parliament fails on this one. Weak decision, wrong in principle, strategically misguided.
😂 the stelenboch faction lost this one, live with it 😂
Imagine Europeans being moralistic 😂after all the atrocities and continuing beneficiation from atrocities
You are not representing our interest, please, Mam😮😮
Troll.
Who's your 'our'?
You speak for no one but yourself?
Dr Hlophe is the best choice, and most qualified.
You talking racist rubbish
CJ Zondo is Ramaphosa 's boy.
Prof must brush her teeth
The lady is wrong according to the law of the land but let us not be personal.
She means nothing
@@Amor-zone She has dirty mouth. She's biase, misleading and dishonest
@Amor-zone whole professor is talking kak about a Cambrige PHD, she must have eaten some too 😊
This Prof is dishonest, misleading the viewers and biase
@@Amor-zone ngiyaxolisa kujehova,but these people must not talk anyhow about our leaders infront of us
Please interview people that are not take sides please
What did you expect from NewzAfrika boss… this media channel is owned and controlled by a White Nationalist…
They afraid of best former black judge we ever had, intelligent,smart and educated
Double standards on ethics. Where is this ethics when it comes to the cloud hanging over President Ramaphosa? DA must go and fly a kite. Let the law take its course.
Dr Hlophe was Judge President of the Western Cape Division of the High Court of South Africa from May 2000 until March 2024, when he was impeached. He first faced accusations of gross misconduct in 2008, so for 16 yrs he sat on the bench with that cloud. Zuma’s corruption case goes back to 1999 but he served 2 terms as President of the republic & to this day the case is still pending. The same due process applies to Ramaphosa & Phalaphala case. What has SARS, Public Protector and Reserve Bank said about the transaction?
@@khaltsharivist365 thanks for taking us through history. I have no doubt you know the facts. I am just perplexed that you seem to be implying that Helen Zille was right when she said Phala-Phala is irrelevant yet she speaks of ethics. This seems rather convenient and indeed shows double standards.
But either way, allow the law to take its course.
Shame on this so-called professor. And the same goes for the journalist.
Please go read the constitution which we claiming to defend. Bunch of irrational people
Shame on You for supporting corruption
@@rockpoppets6182 no we support the constitution not feelings
Naledi she's like this when dealing with whiteness, just like Tshidi from newzroom africa.
People like JJT, that's why mainstream don't like them: they call it out.
Can you educate yourself about corruption?
What makes you mad to understand that we sticking to the constitution.
You are not only emotionally drained by hate but at the same time very irrational.
The honorable John Hlope is there to stay.
Some people keep on saying Hlophe should do the ethical or right thing, if he doesn’t believe in his whole impeachment, certainly the right thing for him would be to avail himself to serve in JSC. What is ethical to one, might not be ethical to another person, it depends on certain groups interests ( think of inequalities and economic differences due to others benefiting from the gains of apartheid and see if ethics are seen by All from the same angle). The constitution is not a book written by Almighty creator of heavens and earth, it might be respected around the globe, but why can it not be legally changed within the parameters of the law? It makes provisions of amendments itself, which means it can be changed following specific processes. The reality is that there are South Africans who believe that the same constitution of their country is not addressing the injustices of the past. The question is, must they not talk about their views of challenging the status-quo? The comments just depend on which side of the table you are, in terms of life you are living. The reality is that some are happy with certain parts of the constitution and some are unhappy and it is not being an unconstitutional individual if you voice your opinion otherwise that is trying to silence people.
If the parliament was to agree in constitutionally addressing the “Hlophe issue” to avoid from happening in the future, would that be unconstitutional to add/amend the constitution because our constitution is respected globally?
Our constitution should work for us, not us working for it. It needs to address our realities not to please people out of South Africa at the expense of the voters who have not yet gained the freedom which they dream of in their country.
All the members of MK are all former AnC members they should call themselves REVENGE PARTY 😂😂😂😂😂
This So called professor is a ridicule 😅
A very stupid analysis
It cnt be that a normal person without a qualification is a ryt person to be in JSC n an impeached judge is not a ryt person....Dr Hlophe is not going to JSC as a Judge , but he's going there as a normal MP...its a bonus that he was a judge
This woman is evil!
The black law society have already put it clear that nothing can prevent John hlophe to hold this position. Some people and media keeps using ethics cards if they pulled same cards out on phala phala maybe the public will understand 😂
I see Zondo going to parliament after retiring.
No he will not. Office of the Judge is a lifetime appointment to the bench unless you are impeached, meaning even when retired they can’t be members of a political party or run for political office. Code of judicial conduct Article 17 (iv) is very clear “retired judges must not enter party politics”. Zondo would have to resign his life time appointment, lose his life time title, prestige and the generous retirement perks for an MPs salary that can be less than 5yrs. He will need to be a special type of ‘stoopead’ to do that. There is no upside gain to that.
Not all members of JSC agreed to impeachment, may be Malema was one of those.
If one does not agree with certain groups, he is labelled as causing trouble, but the vise versa is not true to the very same group. Inconsistency.
Talking about morals, where are the morals of those who are still benefitting today from the deeds of the then legalised apartheid? What are their morals saying in undoing injustices for past, in order to close the gap of living conditions?
Simply invite JP Hlophe to speak for himself rather than soliciting advice from professors with shady teeth. The mainstream media enjoys talking about JP Hlophe but avoids interacting with him. How about giving us an opportunity to hear his side of the story?
Troll, can you READ?
Talk about Karma
Unbelievable idiocy!!! Can you imagine for a moment those prospective morally upright people will subject themselves to John..... I dont think so....i won't!!!
Eff didn't vote In favor 😂😂😂this professor must wash her lying teeths 😂
Mainstream media doesn't even correct her, they allowed it
The MKP's nomination of Dr Hlophe was supported by the ANC, EFF, UDM, ATM and Al Jama-ah. It was opposed by DA, FF Plus and ACDP.
Hands off Judge Hlophe
She is talking rubbish
Remember Hlophe is not a judge now,so what you want,he is doing other job,you thought he will suffer and became a poor man😂, forget we blacks see you
Hlophe belongs in jail along with his comrade, Jacob Zuma.
NOT IN PARLIAMENT!
Led by you
I forgive you black presenters you doing for feeding your families
whitens comment
You talking a lot of racist nonsense