The Psychology Of Superman: Therapist Analyzes MAN OF STEEL
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Licensed therapist Jonathan Decker and filmmaker Alan Seawright are taking a look at Henry Cavill’s Superman and his hero psychology. Superman is Jonathan’s favorite pop culture character, and he enjoys these movies despite their faults. Alan… doesn’t like them. Regardless of their differing opinions, they talk about Henry’s Superman as someone who struggles with identity and receives mixed messages from parental figures. Jonathan shares identity status theory to explore how Henry’s Superman actually becomes Superman. And Alan shares his contempt for all these movies.
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Henry is way too nice. He always handles every disappointment with class and professionalism. He and the fans really deserve better.
Yeah I’m not even a fan of his version of the character but Henry himself is such a great person which is why I was always supportive of him getting a fair chance at a sequel that’s actually about him.
honestly as far as i understand it he is doing 40k and i am genuinely looking forward to what he does with that
I don't agree. He said he thinks "me too" ruined dating...and that means some pretty bad stuff about him. At the very least, he thinks women often make false accusations. ( that is just untrue and is shown to be statistically false -and is sexist if he believes that.) OR at the worse, he has done things that would get him "me too"ed.
@@heidihansen2188 bro had an opinion that he shared, that’s illegal? Me too has done great and terrible things. In the past 20 years up to 10% of grape accusations have been proven to be fake. Lots of horrible people were exposed but as a result lots of normal people that fear false accusations because those do happen, often do everything they can to avoid them including intentionally not hiring female employees under 35 or not giving them the same attention they’d give to normal employees.
😂 Martha
Agree with Alan on the death of Jonathan Kent. It's 10 times more meaningful when he died a natural death. Because it goes to show even with all those powers, he can't save everyone.
Yes! This! Showing Clark that he cant save everyone is part of the Superman mythos.
Exactly, Jonathan's death here is stupid because it's 100% preventable on both his and Clark's part
@@anthonyugarte1072 EXACTLYYYYYY
Alan's right. It's an awful, dumb scene.
However I’m surprised given Superman’s up bringing in Kansas we haven’t had a superman vs tornado scene more often
That little scene as a kid, when the senses overwhelm him, makes me cry every time, because it so vividly depicts the internal world of an autistic sensory melt down. The panic, the desperate need to suppress the input, the fear, knowing everyone is staring, others judging you. The way his mom handled it, getting him to focus on something small, and helping him reign in his senses.
Yep, that's the feeling. Not everybody knows that feeling.
Exactly, and "The world is too big" is such a nice phrase too
There's a small extra part that very few people notice, and might not have even been intentional. Later in the film, when his mom is in danger, she calls out for Clark and he responds instantly despite being a fairly long distance away. You could easily attribute it to his incredible senses, but he'd tune out something that small - except it was his mother, and he never stopped focusing on hearing her voice after that moment when he was a child.
I wasn’t diagnosed as autistic until I was 19 years old (yay under diagnoses in women) and there were so many times that I can remember just putting my head on my desk and covering my ears and closing my eyes because everything was just too much and I didn’t have the words or the space to tell people what I needed. I would get stress induced abdominal migraines from the thought of riding the bus to and from school because of how loud they always were. My parents eventually decided I was faking it because every other day I would ask to stay home because I felt sick. That scene is such a real thing that so many people deal with and I so wish awareness was more widespread
@@ravengray3095 I wasn't diagnosed till my late 30s, so I feel ya.
The overwhelmingness of school is especially relatable with being autistic. So much distressing stuff all around you that no one else even seems to be aware of.
And when everyone treats you like you’re wrong for reacting to it, and you have no idea you’re actually different from other people, it makes it so much worse.
Same here! I am very glad I am done with highschool, but I am still always watching these superhero movies with different eyes. The extra senses, the smells, sounds, visual distractions, it's all very relatable
I saw that scene in the theater back in 2013 during middle school, and thought how much I related to it.
Edit: I forgot that I was already in middle school since I was in the 6th grade when mos came out, since I graduated in 2018.
Also ADHD. I cried watching that scene, it was so relatable. Snyder did do an amazing job humanizing Superman and making him relatable. ❤
Or doing/reacting to something in a way that feels natural to you but is a complete joke to everyone else. Made me feel like a weirdo and made me doubt my own mind. Still happens from time to time.
Exactly what I thought when I saw that scene come up. I'd watched the movie in a theatre but all i could honestly focus on was how loud everything was.
Hiding in the store room wasn't an option for me, but i can remember keeping my very heavy backpack on the bench, resting on the desk and just slide onto the floor so i could create a dark corner for myself. I'd just stay there until someone would notice, pop back up for a few minutes and go back down, saying I'd dropped something and needed to get it back.
School sucked.
Cavill has had the same misfortune twice(Superman and the Witcher): great characters and world poorly adapted by people who (in my opinion) don’t understand them. I feel so bad for him. He commits so hard to projects where people don’t do the same, mainly with the Witcher. I hope his career goes in good directions from here.
At first, I doubted if there was enough Superman in Henry Cavill. Then I watched him in the Witcher, and realized the problem was that the DCEU wasn't allowing there to be enough Henry Cavill in their Superman.
he doesnt have half the charisma reeve had to pull a superman
@@jisooqueen45 just my opinion dude.
I agree! He's wonderful in both parts. Crazy that the showrunners don't get that they had the jackpot with him in those roles.
@@jisooqueen45oh you spammed the comment section… oh baby he’s not gonna fuck you 😂
Henry Cavill was the perfect casting decision for the character and basically embodied everything great about Super Man. It’s a shame he’s no longer in the DCEU.
Eh, I'd say he's no longer superman. As for the DCEU? Its not really up to snuff.
Remember when Superman destroyed a man's truck thus ruining his livelihood? How ''heroic'' of him.
"Perfect?" I _immensely_ disagree. Christopher Reeve was a perfect casting decision for Superman, and actually made it feel believable that people didn't automatically know Superman and Clark were the same person. Cavill was overly-muscled, dour, gloomy, maudlin, and depressive.
Maybe Captain Britain in the MCU ^_^
Could be fun
I agree, his portrayal is what made me fall in love with the character. He is Superman…soft spoken, but when he speaks you respect him, and listen. As for Clark Kent…maybe not so much but still love him overall
Alan is 100% right. Every time I rewatch (and I do because Superman is my favourite comic character, next to Captain America and Colossus) the movie I have to ff through this scene. It's just so terrible. If he let Clark go save the dog, and while that was happening Jonathan had the heart attack from the stress of Clark possibly revealing himself, it would have been a 1000% better.
Yes, absolutely. Simple change that would have made it work so much better.
Wow, 3 characters who are righteous and have impeccable moral compass. That's rare, most people say they're boring.
@@katearcher8514Because those people haven't read much about them
Like Gladiator gave up the position of leading an entire war against the Builders to Captain America; The guy who's basically like the Vegita of Marvel, says CA is the only human he respects.
@@katearcher8514 I guess I just like reading about people who struggle with the world's crushing negativity only to press through and provide examples of how to overcome what seems like the weight of the world. The main reason this is perceived as boring is probably projection.
In my opinion, he would have tried to save him anyway. The only reason he wouldn't is if Jonathan Kent was an extremely controlling father which seems to go against how he's portrayed.
I so, so love how much you two appreciate Henry Cavill as Superman even if you don't care so much for the films. He's so talented.
I agree completely with Alan, Clark could've easily saved the dog without raising any suspicion
Even at the last second, he could have gotten to his dad lifted the car, put them both underneath the car and held the car down himself so when the tornado finished going over there's plausible deniability that his dad got really lucky. That whole section was a really dumb way to do it.
Agree. I understand why his dad has to die for story reasons but realllly??? That was the best idea? >.< Shenanigans.
This!! From my memory, no one was even looking at the dog, they were looking at the tornado. He could have saved the dog without anyone noticing in the time it took them to disagree about whether or not to save the dog.
@@khrishp I think it would have made sense if they used the younger actors. Clark looked full grown and kind of confused where if he was the teenager version it would make sense that he's scared to run into danger and is so reliant on his parents for making the call instead of him
How much easier it would have been to have something preventing him from saving the dog or his father without totally showing his power. Have a truck or something else he'd have to move. Same thing still happen
I’ve always loved Henry Cavill as super man and that he’s perfect for the role, but honestly, I love the family and friendship dynamics in the Smallville series with Tom Welling.
I know what you mean!!!!!
tom welling is my superman for sure
I LOVED Smallville!
🎶 Somebody saaaaaaaavvveeee mmmeeeeeeee!!! 🎶 Yes! Love me some Tom Welling. He's my favorite Superman..then Henry.
@@risingphenoix9292 the flashbacks~
THANK YOU to the caption team for moving the captions to the top whenever there was a footnote on screen! It's a little thing but it really means a lot to those of us who need the captions ❤
I love this too! I personally don't actually need captions, but I enjoy them, they help me process everything that's said a little better, and good captionaires (caption writers? editors?) are rare and deserve to be acknowledged for their good work!
.^_^.
I love "you can embody the best of both worlds". As an individual who was raised in both eastern and western culture, I feel Clark's confusion. Because both of my cultures have their own moral standards, all sounds valid but often contradict. It was up until recently (with tons of help from watching CT videos), that I realize I can choose who I wanna be, and be free from the limitation of both sides. I can see one culture has the solution for the entrenched problem of another, and I am now capable of applying both ideologies whenever I needed them to see different layers of the same subject. I consider that my superpower now.
So cool! Keep it up fellow TCK! (Third Culture Kid)
@@rachaelb.471
THE HAPPINESS I FELT WHEN I HEARD THE MAN FROM UNCLE, IT DOES DESERVE A MILLION SEQUELS OML 😭😭😭😭
Yes!!!!!❤❤❤
They just have to recast Armie tho …
@@susanrobertson984 o yeah ofc without a doubt, but I highly doubt it would be too hard if it gets the greenlight
Nah bring Armie back, mould it into his character
It's such a great film!!! Saw it in theaters with my mom✨
If you're covering different versions of Superman, I think Christopher Reeve's Superman and Smallville's Clark Kent/Superman would be great subjects for a video. The Smallville's Superman could work especially for his friendship with Lex, the two opposing parenting styles, and the taking up the mantle aspect
I agree 💯!!!!
That would be so awesome! Even if they cover the pilot alone it'll be a decent amount of material
Yessss!! A lot to unpack on the Smallvile version
they dont do tv shows unfortunately
They've never done TV show's. Hate to be that person, but there's a reason it's called cinema therapy. (A shame, because Smallville is one of my favorite show's of all time! Have fallen back in love with it/Green Arrow in the past few years.)
"Doing good in the world has consequences" is the theme that Snyder has used in the Superman trilogy. My interpretation as to why Snyder let's Jonathan die is because people aren't thinking 100% clearly in a state of crisis. Jonathan was worried that if anyone caught just a glimpse of of Clark's powers even for a second that the rejection and backlash that he would face would turn him cynical and cold at the impressionable age he was. And who knows what kind of world that would be with a cynical cold Superman. Jonathan didn't just want to keep Clark's powers secret to protect him from the world. He also did it to protect the world from Clark.
This is probably the best explanation one could give for that horrible death scene. As many people, almost to the extent of beating a dead horse point out, his death is just so stupid. But, everyone understands that Snyder wanted him to die by Clark not saving him due to the fear of the backlash of revealing his powers. Just... not that way..
Jonathan's sacrifice is the act that shapes Clark the most. It is a parent sacrificed for his child. Jor-El and Lara makes sacrifices to ensure Kal/Clark's survivial in the beginning of the film, then Jonathan here to protect Clark's identity. It shapes Lois as well when Clark tells her about his dad's death, she abandons the story about Clark. She does the right thing. To have have faith in making the correct decision even if its not in your best personal interest. It is a recurring part in the sequels: Clark sacrifices himself for the people of Earth in BvS. Silas sacrifices himself to help his son, Victor/Cyborg and the rest of the League to track Steppenwolf in ZSJL.
Zack loves myth and myths by nature are cyclical.
@@danielhurlston7384 I couldn't have said this better, i still may make a comment of my own afterwards, but this is the truth
I can't buy this explanation because of the school bus of kids scene before. "What am I supposed to do? Not save them?" ".....Maybe." Johnathan was raising a cold cynical Superman the second he told Clark that maybe he should let kids die rather than doing good despite the risks. This Johnathan was a negative influence on Clark.
@@angrytheclown801 but that's my point. A cost must be paid in the end when you do bad as well as if you do good. Lois said it in the bathroom scene in BvS. Now if that kid had reported what he saw Clark do, that would have cost them their normal life, who knows what the government would do to Clark's parents, or what Clark would do in retaliation to what the government would do to his parents.
I never really had a problem with this portrayal of Superman. To me good parenting is raising a decent human being but not making him believe he has to be one thing or the other. And also it really illustrated just how realistically difficult it would be to basically raise an all powerful child. Jonathan wants Clark to be able to do good but he also at the same time doesn't want to risk losing his son to humanities less noble nature. It's a balance that's hard to find and when he tells Clark that “maybe” he should have let them die he's not proud of it he's actually quite ashamed of the thought even exiting his mouth. It's a deconstruction on how to raise the perfect child who is already on the surface perfect. He's always healthy, he can't be hurt, won't get sick etc.
Still heartbroken we won’t get to see Henry play him anymore. I was so excited to see him show up in black Adam looking older & wiser and I was looking forward to seeing a more mature Superman but now they’re going back young again 😩😩 hopefully someone will cast him as the main character again in something big. I also loved Man from U.N.C.L.E
I am LIVING for Alan's saltiness this episode
The thing I love in BVS (ultimate edition) most, is Clark at the Daily Planet. He actually does some investigative work, he tries to tell stories he believes people need to hear (mostly about batman in this movie), even when he gets put on sports he is still investigating and pitching to Perry. I don’t think of Superman and Clark as separate entities the same way I think of Bruce and Batman. He is always the boyscout from Kansas trying to make the world a better place, whether that is in the paper, a job he cares about, or in a cape. In the old movies, as much as I love Reeves, he feels like an alien. Despite being raised like a farmboy he is completely disconnected from feeling human. Superman and lois does a great job with his character too.
I agree. When it comes to Christopher Reeve's Superman feeling like an alien, I feel the same way. I do agree.
I watched Superman: The Movie after having seen other Superman stuff like Max Fleischer's Superman, S:TAS, the DCAU, some of Smallville, the animated movies, MoS, BvS, ZSJL, and the LEGO DC games. It kind of bothered me that Superman felt like he did in the film. Something that might be a key cause is that Clark never goes back to visit Ma Kent back on the farm, whereas Clark did visit Martha Kent in Man of Steel. As far as is seen, after leaving the Fortress, Clark goes straight to Metropolis.
I always felt the whole factor of Jonathan having a heart attack and dying in the original movies was so impactful BECAUSE no matter his abilities or powers, Clark couldn’t save him. There wasn’t a choice. It was outside of his capabilities and that shaped him into who he became. I feel the true character of Superman would have been darkened by his guilt and questioning over choosing to obey and not save Jonathan in MOS. That would have tortured him like having to kill Zod.
"You ARE my son!" - what every boy and man wants to hear from a parental figure. Gets me every time
True but he does later say that they aren't Clarks parents which you don't want to hear like ever
@@maaadcity781 bruh I never said it was better. It's a lovely sentiment regardless of circumstances
Depends on the parental figure. Hearing that from my father wouldn’t be the same for me.
@@lightdarksoul2097Clark was literally throwing a tantrum about how he didn't want to grow up like Jonathan and Martha and work the farm and said "You're NOT my dad!" right to Jonathan's face. A little context and media literacy would help.
Reading your comment just made me want them to review “that’s my boy” featuring Adam Sandler and Andy Samberg as estranged father/son.
It's a shame he never got to live up to his true potential. Unfortunately the writing surrounding never did the character justice and Zack Snyder never really understood the character of Superman. The reason Superman is essential in the world of comics is because represents the good and hope within all of us. Similar to Jonathan's description of Rocky Balboa, Superman is kind, compassionate, understanding, he is gentle, he is teachable and is not afraid to show emotion and affection. In a universe filled with heroes with emotional baggage, Superman is an emotionally healthy hero who while still wrestles with his own demons, he still doesn't let those demons define him and he represents the goodness within all of us.
Also, Superman is physically gentle because he lives in a world essentially made of tissue paper, especially as Clark Kent - using even a fraction of his strength could destroy buildings. So he literally tiptoes through the world. It is no wonder he acts so meekly as Clark, he must see humans as being as delicate and brittle as glass. The constant self-control it would take to live like that would be unimaginable.
I personally don't like that. He SHOULD have moments where his "demons" defines him. He should have moments where he isn't good or just gives up. No character should represent the "good" of humanity, but just be his own character without being a symbol. That is my personal take and is Just as valid as yours. It is not a fact that YOUR Superman is better nor that mine is.
@@lunavioleta001 I appreciate hearing your opinion even though I may not agree with it.
@@lunavioleta001 Then I would nicely suggest you not pursue Superman movies/comics.
Honestly, Snyder was a horrible choice for DC. He has been upfront that he'd instead deconstruct superheroes than not.
I think the young Clark scene at 2:35 is truly the best scene Mr Snyder has ever put to film. It's just so real and honest. I also adore how this scene is heavily coded neurodivergent. As a man with ADHD/anxiety and as a special educator, I have experienced and have seen in others what being overestimated and sensory overload looks and feels like. It is EXACTLY like this. Every single sense you have is so much. And so loud. All at the same time. So to see little Clark get disregulated the way he did, with his mom helping him out, while other kids looked on on confusion, really struck a chord with me in 2013 when I saw it in high school. And it's even better now. If all of Man Of Steel was on the level of this one brilliant little scene, it could have maybe beat the Richard Donner film.
I think this Superman portrayal is SO important because no matter what he does for good, he's still an alien and whether you're from outer space or a third world country people still look at you with fear or derision. It's important to show that as an aspect of his humanity. He is doing the best he can and is hated for it by half the population.
Also, I hate the tornado scene. The importance of Johnathon Kent's death is that Superman COULDN'T STOP IT! He could have easily saved his father.
Superman has always hit home for me. Like Kal-El, I was adopted by a Midwestern farm couple who couldn’t have children. I’m technically a first generation American. My biological father was a Mexican immigrant. I love my parents, but they taught me like Jonathan taught Kal: hide who you are. Don’t rock the boat. It chokes me up when Jonathan tells Kal not to save him. Yeah, they had shitty advice, but it reminds me of the kind of person my father used to be. He used to be the kind of person to make that sacrifice. The “be a hero, be what you want to be” speech by Martha chokes me up because I wish my parents talked to me like that. They’ve never made me feel like who I was was a good thing. Don’t be too metalhead. Don’t be too ethnic. My dad would definitely be on top of a mountain in the afterlife still working.
A CLEAR LOUD YES TO CHRISTOPHER REEVES SUPERMAN ANALYSIS!!!!
I really loved your ideas how you could improve these Snyderverse movies. Your "Changes" wouldnt have even been that big, but would have worked so much better.
I also love almost all the casting choices of Snyderverse (exceptions are casting choices for Lex Luthor and kinda The Flash).
Smallville, fillers aside, is always going to be one of the hardest Superman origin depictions on screen to compete with imho. I feel like they really captured Martha and Jonathan's characters and motivations so beautifully and explained and reasoned Clark's mentality and delay to become Superman the most logically. It also handled Clark's weaknesses in an interesting way (not just the kryptonite). Also, Christopher Reeve's cameo is hella nice. It is a TV show though (quite long with 10 seasons) and has some bad press due to the known actions of one of the cast. I just think its a very decent watch if yall haven't seen it yet.
Quarter life crisis is real, had mine in my late 20s and man it felt awful. I am better for it now and it helped me to realize who I want to be, movies like Man of Steel with Henry Cavill helped to formed that too. Always awesome to view these videos!
Edit: To add to this, I think Man of Steel is one of the best movies in the past decade as it encapsulated why people watch sci fi or fantasy movies like this, it inspires hope and the desire to be better people. The message of the film was great in this regard.
TOTALLY agree about the Jonathan Death Scene being bad. It made Jonathan almost selfish in forcing Clark to 1) not be himself, 2) have to be traumatised by having to make the decision to watch his father die KNOWING he could have stopped it. What an awful choice to put your child through. Gah!
Yeah that was my biggest beef that Jonathan gave his son trauma for no good reason
I disagree. His dad valued his sons secret more than his life. Parents make dumb decisions all the time. Clark needed to learn even his dad can be dumb. His real dad didn't have a ship big enough for him and tphis Parents to escape. Sometimes Parents think their sacrifice is a good idea. Sometimes they are wrong. A good lesson.
@@Dryltdbut Clark was older by that time I think it was obvious that he knew his dad could be wrong you learn that as a child. Shoot John said just like a few minutes before that that Clark wasn't his real son stupid. Clark should have had the guts to be his own person by that age and saved his dad especially since we know he leaves and immediately starts helping people it's stupid
It's totally the opposite tho:
1) He is forcing Clark to take his time to find out who he is
2) he saves Clark from the potential trauma humanity will expose him for when they figure out he's an alien
People don't understand how big of a thing contact with aliens would be for humanity, it literally changes everything we know about ourselves and the universe.
@@MarkFilipAnthony if you ignore what other movies say. Justice Society, the stuff with Wonder Woman in both her movies.
Love to see the Christopher Reeve Superman's psychology of a hero.
Me too!!!
That scene with the dog. I actually liked it. Although the reasoning behind it WAS stupid, it still did so much for the character of Superman in this movie. It gave Clark more time to find himself as a person before he revealed himself as a hero, and it humanized him SO MUCH. Losing people we love is a part of being human. It allowed him to put even more value on human life and understand what he's actually protecting. Clark, despite technically being an alien, is so human at his core, and I feel like that scene reinforced that.
I think both of Clark's dads are essential for his character building: living to your full potential and believe that you can make an influence (biological dad), but do understand the world has its own rules and it doesn't always work the way you want, so you have to be disciplined and respectful (foster dad). Without the former, he would have been avoidant and always running away from who he was, and without the latter, he would have been self-aggrandizing and possibly abuse his power. Those two men in Clark's life sounded like the two cultures that I grew up in, and it is the balance in between that makes me emotionally powerful.
Man of Steel feels like Superman if it happened in our world, realistic and gritty. Best DCEU film, and 10 years later, nothing has come close with the movies that have come out since.
But it's NOT our world and this isn't Batman and Snyder isn't Nolan
Superman is supposed to be bright and hopeful, not dark and gritty....it's part of why BvS failed, EVERYONE is dark, even the supposed hero....Snyder just doesn't understand Superman and he never will
Man of feels like if Superman was in a cynical take of our everyday world world, rather than a realistic take on Superman. It simply doesn't allow Henry Cavill's version of Clark Kent to be Superman. The film doesn't understand the basics of who Superman is and what he stands for.
There's nothing wrong with gritty Superman, but Overly Sarcastic Productions has a great video on why Superman himself can't stay there. Basically, Superman is supposed to represent the best part of humanity. He's the standard by which every other superhero is measured (even non-DC superheroes) because he's the first.
Superman also has roots in the Jewish Golem myth, where the Golem is purely about protecting the weak and helpless. Superman was written by Jewish authors in one of the most turbulent moments in human history. And that's so, so important. Superman *has* to care, has to embody the best of humanity even when he fails, because he is an archetype more than a character. Otherwise he isn't Superman, even if he's got the name. I disagree that gritty Superman is the "real world" take. It's a cynical one that obscures what people can actually sometimes achieve even in the midst of the worst suffering in human history. Nothing wrong with a deconstruction, but the deconstruction of Superman should leave you with hope.
I got a bit passionate...As I've gotten older, I've yearned more for true Superman stories.
This!!! If Superman existed in OUR World, it would be exactly like in Man Of Steel and BvS. People would just fear him and hate him.
I think the new show “My Adventures with Superman” has an incredible scene in its latest episode. The defeated villain asks Superman what his angle is, and Clark motions towards the firefighters and says “look around you, is it that hard to believe that some people just want to help?” Superman doesn’t need to be realistic or gritty because that’s how you or I would be with his powers, because he’s not supposed to be me or you with powers. He’s supposed to be the most pure and wholesome of us, what we all want to be. He’s the ultimate inspiration, and I wish people would stop trying to tear him down to our level.
Would LOVE to see you cover Billy Elliot, particularly the father character, one of the most underrated, nuanced performances in film. Breaks me every time.
Completely agree!!!
Gary Lewis's performance is mesmerizing-such an underrated gem.
@@BatAmerica AGREED! To me, he is the real protagonist of the story. Stole the film.
Ah yes
Love that movie
🤗🤗
I remember having a dream once with Henry cavill as thr witcher geralt of rivia and it was so wholesome. I needed a hug for some reason and he understood and gave me the best hug ever. One of those hugs that pulls together all the broken pieces and holds them in place.
I think Henry needs a hug more than I do at this point.
As someone in their mid-20s, and having really recently moved on from my job, I've been taking this last week or two in my "chrysalis". There's a lot I need to figure out about my own life but I really appreciate being able to join you in videos like these and learn those kinds of perspectives ❤
I love watching your vids, going through my depression and anxiety has been rough, but you guys bring me a lot of joy!
We're so happy to bring you some joy. Thanks for watching! 😊
Yes nine more The Man from Uncle pleease!!! Such a great movie! Loved it! I was so sad to learn they cancelled the probability of a sequel 😭
The best thing about the Superman and Louis TV show is the relationship between Clark and Louis. THAT is the kind of marital relationship I want to have, one with mutual respect and admiration--a true partnership. I love how they support each other. So... if you ever decide to do a video on that show, I hope you'll talk about that. :D
Christopher Reeve is still my favorite Superman, and my favorite scene is in Superman II, when he decides to reveal himself to Lois; the physical changes Reeve made while just standing there, were amazing.
100% agree with Alan. Clark could have saved the dog, and he was old enough to make it look like just a heroic man saving a dog. Also how many people were really paying attention at the time. ALSO, people’s memories during intense moments are often flawed, so like… no you totally didn’t see me be completely uneffected by a tornado, that would be crazy!… ya know?
And with some tears in his clothes he wouldn't even look unaffected without closer inspection
@@ApequH 😆 that’s why a quick exit would be important. The tornado would barrel through quickly, and then the Kents would have to leave quickly.
Then what? The government comes knocking and takes Clark away
With all those people watching that happened? The government would take Clark away, and while Flashpoint Superman is a great example of how the government treats Superman.
Plus, Clark didn't even know he super speed. He wanted to save his dad. And the dog wasn't just some random dog. It was the Kent's Family Dog.
Jonathan went to save the dog. Like that's a sign of a good nature human being, putting an animal life ahead of yours.
I like that Clark's parents aren't perfect and don't always have the answer. In Smallville sometimes Jonathan gives the wrong advice or does something bad, but he's always there for his son and helps him get through his out of this world issues to the best of his extent, along with giving a lot of great morals and choices that Clark might come across in his life, and that to many is more than enough.
I think a problem in MoS is we don't see enough good advice and Jonathan lies to Clark. After the bus and that woman is like praising Clark as a miracle Jonathan tells Clark that the woman was scared of him? Like dude did you not hear her?
@lightdarksoul2097 when does John lie to clark I don't remember
@@MrEndstage when he says that the lady the came over was scared of Clark's powers but she was more in awe of him
I would like to make a case for the Martha scene in BvS.
Yes, Clark absolutely could have said "He has my mother, and he's going to kill her", but you have to remember Bruce's character arc when critiquing this scene as well. Clark didn't say Martha because it made sense to him, he said it because of Bruce.
Batman in BvS is jaded, moreso than Batman usually is. When Zack Snyder first pitched the character to Ben Affleck, he described this version of Bruce as "World-weary and morally bankrupt".
The conversation Bruce has with Alfred early in the movie about there being even a 1% chance that Clark is humanity's enemy, they have to take it as an absolute certainty, that is not space age paranoia, that is a man who has been doing this job for 20 years, and has less than nothing to show for it. The loss of Robin was his tipping point. Once he lost his adopted son, all bets were off. Bruce Wayne likes to say that Batman is his true self and Bruce Wayne is the mask. When this version of the character lost Robin, something else replaced Batman.
Bruce is haunted by the death of his parents, his mother especially. Bruce always looked up to his father, but he was very close with his mother. Bruce was so far gone that he needed some miracle to break him out of whatever blood rage he had been in for the last half decade or longer.
When a man is THAT angry, that not even his voice of reason (Alfred) can get through to him, you need to appeal to something deeper.
"My parents taught me a different lesson: The world only makes sense if you force it to."
That is such a heartbreaking line.
Bruce Wayne wanted so desperately to save his mother, his Martha, but was too weak to do so.
Clark had to pinch a very specific nerve to get Bruce to listen to him, and that nerve was Martha.
Telling Bruce to "Save Martha" was a trigger that forced him back into that alley, to confront the terrified little boy that Bruce had buried under so much rage over the last 20 years and realize that he had become the very thing he swore to fight in the name of his parents, in the name of Martha Wayne.
Bruce Wayne's characterization in BvS may not have been perfect, but the Martha scene is so much better than people give it credit for because they only took it at face value.
I won't try to convince anyone that Zack Snyder is a genius that nobody understands, yada yada, because he's not. What he is is very detail oriented. There is a lot of subtext to Zack Snyder's movies, especially in scenes like the Martha scene. It's not a blink and you'll miss it moment, it's spread throughout the entire movie. Bruce's entire arc throughout BvS culminates in that scene.
What would have made it work a little better in my opinion is having a super quick flashback type scenario with Batman standing in the alley across from young Bruce on his knees by the bodies of his parents, flashing back and forth between real time and that flashback in between each "Why did you say that name". Young Bruce even could have hit Batman with a "You did this" type line to help reinforce the idea that he has become the very thing he wars against.
That probably would have messed with the scene's momentum, but it would have helped enormously with the general audience's understanding of why "Save Martha" was the better move
Here's another point in support of Alan disliking the scene in which Jonathan waves off Clark to not save him from the tornado: part of Superman's story IS the fact that news stories were written about some of the things he did in Smallville. The only reason that news didn't go nationwide is because of how Smallville is in Nowhere County, Kansas. Clark was saving people as a teenager, so to then turn around in the opposite direction and write Clark as someone who lets his dad die to keep his secret runs completely contrary to the character on a fundamental level.
This is the origin point for the DCEU trying to be edgy to compete with Marvel, and time after time, it just doesn't work.
Thank you. At that point in the movie, Jonathan has repeatedly told Clark that he should not save people, let them burn. They are not as important as you are. And Martha tells him later that he owes no one. Clark has no reason to believe he should help others. There is no foundation for him not to turn into Brightburn. Clark listening to Jor-El and not helping Zod doesn't ring true because he's being raised to look at humans as beneath him.
Me: it’s late I should get off my phone and go to bed.
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Save Martha works. He makes her a person. He says "save my mom" Batman, already enraged, goes "why? You're an alien. FROM SPACE!! THERE'S MORE OF YOU!! ABSOLUTELY NOT." He made Martha a person. He said "save this person." The PTSD triggered.
I have been rewatching Smallville. Man is that great. Seeing Clark wrestle with his destiny, in a way that once again makes ‘destiny’ synonomis with doom. Also just got to season 4, where Lois is introduced, and it is always nice to be reminded that one could be as bad of a speller as me and still make it in the world.
I love hearing Alan critique this movie, yall are so positive so im glad you're not letting some of the dads questionable lines slide lol
Let's Go! Man of Steel is such a powerful movie.
No it's not
and horrible pile of garbo
I agree.
I disagree with Alan. I didn't think Jon was teaching Clark that he should be afraid, I feel like he was teaching him to be responsible. Sure, it has the appearance of fear and it is a father's worry to some extent. But I never read the advice as fearful, but as mistrustful. Jon felt that the world would use and abuse his son if he didn't teach him to control his powers. Only until he was ready and mature enough emotionally, should he let them be seen.
As a Brit, I can understand the emotional commitment to be stoic and the worry about the potential harm that can be caused by someone hearing what they're not ready to hear. It felt like Jon sacrificed himself, for the sake of Clark's innocence or childhood. He didn't want to risk an already fearful (of his powers) boy being harassed by forces he didn't know how to emotionally deal with.
The fact that Superman matures, before he uses his powers, could arguably be for the best. Only when he's secure enough in his maturity, would it be safe enough for him to reveal that side of him and not risk manipulation or hurt.
I would absolutely LOVE seeing you talk about Christopher Reeve's Superman films. I adore the first two (and enjoy making fun of the other sequels). I have analyzed the differences between the two versions of the 2nd movie a lot, just for myself for fun (the theatrical release vs. the Donner Cut). So happy to hear it meant so much to Jono. Please make this video!!
I've often said that many people have *played* Superman... Christopher Reeve *is* Superman. Would LOVE to see your video on that! You guys covered so many of my thoughts & feelings here: I was thrilled at the casting - Henry Cavill is absolutely *perfect* for Clark/Kal/Superman - then furious & frustrated when they wouldn't just LET HIM play the character! I honestly preferred the theatrical release of JL for two reasons - first, Alan's comment about every scene being just that much too long, and second, the scenes I loved the most were in both versions. My favorite Cavill scene in these movies is the scene at the farm post resurrection. It was everything I wanted, all that I'd been waiting for, and showed exactly how perfect a fit he was for this character... as Jono said, for 30 minutes. 😅 Really appreciate the perspective from Jonathan, it helped me think differently about these movies (though I still have more issues with them than he does), and I agree with both of you that the emphasis on his two paternal influences was really interesting - great idea, some good moments... but could've been done better. I think this is my new CT favorite! Brilliantly done internet dads! 🎉🦸♂️
LOVE this portrayal of Superman because instead of weakening him with kryptonite you're weakening him with the uncertainty and vulnerability of a dangerous, flawed and realistic world. And when he still chooses humanity in spite of all the hardships, in spite of all the hate and xenophobia, in spite of all the horror and uncertainty, that's when he is heroic, and it means you don't have to be "special" to be a hero: you just have to try your best to persevere in times of hardship. Crippled? I'm not giving up, I'm fighting twice as hard. Woman attacked in a Middle-Eastern country? I'm going back to school to get a degree and holding lectures. Depression? I'm facing it any way I can, reaching out, taking a day at a time, fighting on. THAT'S heroism. That's what these movies are about to me, not flying around in red trunks saving cats out of trees.
Alan is saying everything about these two movies I have been saying since they were released. Nice to have the word of a professional film maker to back me up! The main thing about Zack Snyder, is he still thinks he's making music videos and forgetting that movies are a completely different kettle of storytelling.
he will always be a music video director
20:05 in the therapy session, this would be a healthy application of countertransference. Jonathan is using his experience and the very similar feeling to what Clark is feeling to open what a mentor once called a “doorway to empathy.”
I loved this scene. Jonathan has an opportunity to help Clark accept what he’s feeling. “While I was eating my hero cake…” is such a powerful line, delivered in what I 💯 agree is one of the best monologues ever delivered in Western film.
Bravo.
It's a writing issue the same scenarios were tackled in Marvel's civil war. No matter if the avengers save sakovia, 11 people still died and I think it hits heros differently. So I love the mothers monolog to Clark. She's an angry parent who wants to have hope in the world but has seen the hatred it has for people who try to help.
You know it's going to be an epic day the moment Cinema Therapy posts.
Could you guys do a psychology of a villain of Lestat de Lioncourt? I think it would be interesting.
That would be interesting! The only way to get a true vision of him though would be through the books and there are several.The movies do not even come close to doing the Brat Prince justice.
Firstly yes Henry Cavill is so so so dreamy :) Secondly the twister scene, the best part about that scene was the music stopping when john put his hand up. THAT was great. Humans are faced with conflicts like this on a daily basis.
The tornado scene was the first time I had seen Cavill in a role where he did remain stoic through the entire thing. Even in Monte Cristo, at 18 when he smiled, he was calm. I think they did it, just to have him show another emotion before the big fight at the peak.
I've been waiting for this one for a long time, one of the most deep emotional/morally introspective superheroe movies
lord improve ur taste .its one of the worst movies ever .did u feel all the emotion when superman made out with lois while standing in the human wasteland ? or when he lasered and crashed a huge ship into middle of the city killing hundreds ? 🤣
@@herloss448 Well, I don't recall much of the scene of them kissing. However, it was meaninfull to clark to find Lois cause she personified part of what is worth fighting for(AS the guys explain on the video). The whole scene with the ship destroying the city is to give perspective to the audience, this came out in 2013 before most superheroes movies gave apocaliptic vibes. I think it clearly shows the impotence of the common folk if they were ever to be caught between a few godlike beings fighting. Clark has no training, no time to ponder, just the desire to stop them. So yeah the emotion was there. You choosing to see past it and just take the events without processing them on a character basis, actually highlights what was mentioned by Jono about people getting mixed responses when someone tries it's best. So is great movie, clearly not for everyone.
@@Naitsabess so much emotion when he let the oil truck hit the building and blow up instead of stopping it .u are embarssing ur self acting like a 30 yr old grown man doesnt have single rational thought to even think that
@herloss448 dude, it is till a superhero movie, if course there is going to be scenes with just action. Not everything has to have "emotion" or significance. Besides the only embarrassing thing here, is the relevance of your premises on a personal opinion that is not yours. And perhaps me for taking you seriously on the first place. Peace out
@@Naitsabess the actual embarssment is how u try to say superman no caring about destruction is action
Pa Kents death in MoS always rubbed me the wrong way because the lesson was always supposed to be that you can't save everyone. His strength as a character comes not from being a god but from having insurmountable problems that the average person can relate to. You cant save everyone but as long as you do everything you can then you're a hero too. If Snyder wanted to do the character justice I feel like having Clark step in to save Johnothan culminating in an argument between the two (should I have let you die like the children in the bus?) before johnothan dies of a heart attack conveys that message whilst also allowing the story to keep its ideas of Supermans conflict between was it worth exposing himself to delay the inevitable or was he right based on the fact that he could do step in so he should?
Forget about what the lesson was "supposed to be". This is a different story with a different lesson.
This lesson is: Take care of your own well being so that u are strong mentally and physically to help others. Don't jump into stupid or dangerous situations before you know you can handel them
In the original Superman movie, the first clip I ever saw of the film was Jon Kent dying from a heart attack. That was the only scene I had ever seen of the film, and I actually felt something. Jon died of a heart attack, and Clark lamented at his funeral that he was completely helpless when his father died, being in a situation where his powers were useless. He learned the hard truth that he can't save everyone. That scene was completely relatable, showing that despite having god-like powers, he was still very much human with human relationships and could suffer emotional consequences from those relationships.
MoS, Jon's death was completely avoidable. Clark could have saved him, but Jon told him not to. The actual Superman would have decided that his father's life mattered more than keeping his secret. The message from that scene was very fitting with Synder's Randian objectivism, but it didn't translate well for an altruistic character like Superman.
Yes! This!
"Was always supposed to be" it was? How's that?
No, the lesson in Superman 78 ISN'T to accept you can't save people. How does it end? Jorel who symbolizes God, tells him don't interfere with human history... and he violates that law to save a girl he barely knows... but her underwear is pink!
It's not about acceptance but violating the sacred to play favorites. Amd we know this lesson is there because that's the follow-through in Superman 2. He gives up all of his calling to get some pooty-tang.
@@ravissary79 You're arguing a strawman as it isn't stated that the lesson is not to save anyone, but that some things are unavoidable that not even Superman can stop like death by natural causes. There is nothing he could have done to save his father like he did Lois. The difference is the latter he could do something and did. He realized while he couldn't have saved his dad he could still do something to save Lois.
I think the more interesting "realistic" take on Superman was in Young Justice, where Batman was more of a parent, and Clark had to wrestle with the feelings of violation from Lex cloning him. That was a unique take that I think they explored well.
The scene where he gets his powers reminds me of my battel with being over stimulated. The way his mom speaks to him always spoke to me.
I don't know if you guys have much exposure to Justice League: Unlimited, but I feel like you guys could really get a lot out of that series too. Really great interpretations of those characters!
I wasn’t a big fan of Superman in the DCAU honestly
@@arc4859 yes he ok but nothing that special. I like young justice superman better than animated series
Allen pointed out my exact problem with the Jonathan Kent death scene. Clark could easily have gotten the dog without being seen as superhuman. It wasn't a death that made sense, or even just a natural accident. It was death by stupidity! And I hate those
In my opinion, one of the worst things to do in storytelling is to have something really tragic or unfortunate happen that felt completely avoidable/preventable. Part of the issue audiences would likely feel is massive frustration coming from a place of "bruh, if the character had just done y instead of x, [insert awful thing] would have never happened."
@@johnwalker1058 Exactly this
10:13 We don't know the extent of Clark's powers at that point. If taking control of his senses was taking a toll in his childhood, maybe super-strength and super-velocity came with his teenager years (as it's depicted in a lot of other Superman stories) and such powers were not completely in control for Clark. Jonathan would know about that and didn't want a burden of duty for his teenager son at such early age because of his powers. As painful as it seems, this is a scene about the things not even Superman can solve, but instead of a heart attack or an accident, it's about the things Superman cannot control in human nature. If he had shown his powers in such a manner, some people would have demanded more from him and blame him for the things he cannot do (just like Lex did in BvS). Jonathan gave his life as a perfect example of someone willingly to give his life for something greater than himself... hold on, IT'S A DOG!!!
If the scene would have dealt with a child or any other human, the scene would have been perfect.
Oh God yes, I was actually wondering if you guys had done Reeves Superman, but knowing now you haven't, yes that needs done.
I honestly loved the switch that Jor-El was more idealistic about Kal-El's future and purpose while Johnathan Kent was more cautious/paranoid.
Jor-El is an alien who studied Earth from afar and wants Clark to maximize the effects of Earth environment and use to his advantage to order to be bridge between Krypton and Earth and create a better world than Krypton ever was.
Jonathan Kent has actually lived on Earth. He's seen what people do to someone who is event the slightest different. He's seen how people lob hate, fear, and worship to just some guy who is charismatic on stage and has a large following. He's seen what that stuff does to people. Now he has a child who can bench-press the entire planet. Of course he's going to want to keep Clark as far away from that as possible. Even it means dying in the process. A kid who says: "You're not my dad" in full seriousness, even if it was in a fit of brief anger is really not ready maturely to handle everything that comes with deal with Earth has a hero.
I like that this version of the Kents weren't all out saints. They're kind, welcoming, and nurturing people, but they were also well...salt of the Earth. You can tell they've been around the block and knew exactly what could go wrong with Clark being discovered, which to me is a more grounded and realistic view. Is it contrary to the traditional lore of them being perfect parents with the perfect inspirational quote ready for Clark when he wants advice? Sure. But it creates more conflict with Clark as he tries to find his way. I also liked that they in essence were telling Clark, before he can do anything, before he makes any choice, before he becomes any kind of hero, he has to take care of himself first. He has to figure himself out. He has decide once and for all why he wants to do this. It shouldn't be out of obligation or guilt. It needs to be his choice and his choice alone.
I appreicate you guys taking the time to watch the trilogy again, even if it wasn't your cup of tea. DCEU!Superman is my favorite live-action version of Superman it's really disappointing that we won't be seeing more of him.
Long time listener, etc.
1. Alan is me on this trilogy. Do some of the same interesting stuff but not the stupid version!
2. A very enthusiastic yes, please on reviewing the Christopher Reeve Superman. ❤️
Uh, about the tornado scene, I was taught growing up in Missouri that the last place you wanna be on the road during a tornado is under an overpass. We were always told to lie down in the lowest possible ground point, like the roadside ditch. Overpasses become suction tunnels, you don’t want to be there, and I'm pretty sure a bunch of native Kansans would know that.
Also... why didn’t they bring the dog with them when they first got out of the car? That makes no damn sense, leaving the dog when you think a tornado might be on your proverbial doorstep.
None of these filmmakers grew up in tornado alley, that's for sure.
I think it might have been episode 1 of Smallville, there was a similar interaction between Clark and Jonathan where Clark risked potential exposure, if ep 1 then to save Lex, and while Jonathan expressed concern about exposure, when Clark asked if he shouldn't have stepped in and saved him Jonathan, without even a pause, said no, shooting down inaction as an option. It was always clear his parents had layered feelings, concern for how the world might respond, a desire for him to do great things, but once he was ready, and only after having the best, and as normal as possible, childhood and high school years. They didn't want him to have to grow up too fast to take up some huge mantle of responsibility and power.
If you're going to do more Superman, I'd love to see your takes on Superman: Red Son, and/or All-Star Superman. There are animated versions of both of them, if you want to stick to movies.
My favourite Superman film is actually an animated film called *Superman Vs The Elite (2012)* which is a phenomenal Superman film that explores Clarks morals in an otherwise cynical pessimistic world and is only further personified when Clark meets the Elite who act as a new generation of heroes who view criminals as undeserving of redemption and take lives in the name of misguided justice through a nyilistic outlook on humanity. Thus this movie excellently questions if Superman methods are indeed old fashioned and irrelevant in today's generation. Who'd love to see them analyse this movie.
If he doesn't like dark and gritty Superman he should definitely NOT do a Kingdom Come Superman, that is as dark and gritty as Superman can get. 🤣
@@SerginhoPMoura What are you talking about? Kingdom Come Superman is one of the most hopeful and persiverent versions of Superman as he comes out of retirement to try to save his universe for a new age of violent and uncaring superheros, thus he reunites the Justice League to set things right, if any version of Superman is gritty or ruthless it's the Injustice or Earth 3 versions of Superman
@@milkiassamuel780wrong, Kingdom Come Superman abandons humanity after the Magog/Joker incident and lives in isolation for decades until the Kansas disaster. He looses his hope in humanity, to the brink of unleashing a punishing rage over them after Batson's sacrifice and only snaps out of it after Norman McCay and the Specter's intervene. Remember the last chapter, he was about to kill them all because he felt hopeless. Kingdom Come's Superman was real and humane, in all their flaws and imperfections. Injustice Superman or Earth 3 on the other hand are not dark and gritty, they are just plain evil and that's a completely different thing.
Identity djiffusion: As someone who at nearly 50 is literally making transitions, about to move, and very much discovering who I truly am, I very much feel this. I've tried so hard to be who and what I was told I should be. And now I have a term to explain why I've not allowed myself to be me for so long. I mean, midlife crisis could also apply here.
OMG, yes, please do Christopher Reeves Superman! I, too, grew up with him as my Superman. Such a special thing to me.
Alan is spot on. Even in this movie about superheroes, the suspension of disbelief you need to feel his dad's decision made sense is mind numbing. Truly the moment that the movie went from an interesting take on Superman to blah.
I agree with Alan! I love Man of Steel. I saw it 3 times in theaters when it came out, I was 13 lol. But the tornado scene always made me mad! I would have had Jonathan run to a hardware store to get some things to fix the farm. Leaving Martha and Clark since it looks like a rainy day but they have a lot of chores. When Jonathan gets to the store as he’s shopping there a sudden tornado alert. He uses the store phone to call home to let them know the stores in the direct line of the tornado and he loves them. Clark begs to let him come get him, but Jonathan says it’ll be too risky. Since there’s no way he’d get there and back without looking suspicious. He tells him he’s just a kid and he’s not ready to be a hero just yet. He says he loves Clark and Martha one more time and the line goes dead. Leaving Clark no time to leave the house. That way he hears his fathers last words but Superman doesn’t have an easy way out. That’s how I’d fix that in my humble opinion, but I don’t make movies for a living 😂😅
I'm a simple man with father issues (I refuse to say the other word). The Jonathan Kent death scene hits hard for me. Most likely just because of the acting, but also (to use CinemaWins' term) self-sacrifice. Parent's aren't perfect and Jonathan's death feels like he was simply trying to do one last act to truly keep his son safe. If Clark wasn't superhuman, he would have done the exact same thing, which is make sure his son and wife are safely away. He went into the storm as a symbol of a good father. He stayed in the storm as a final lesson and sign of faith in his son. That's my take on it. Also respect Alan's and others dislike.
I also like to think that they don't know how strong Clark fully is. Sure, he lifted a school bus, but tanking a fricking tornado is on another level.
I mean that would mean more but Clark didn't get anything outta that whole situation we see the cutting and Clark never learned to stop helping or to worried about himself. We see in modern day that he was still helping people in dim kinda ugly daylight. Plus in BvS he says Superman was Jonathan's dream... No? He wanted Clark to stay hidden
I know this would probably never happen purely because the time sink it would be, but I’d love a psychology of a hero Tom Welling’s Superman/The Blur/Clark Kent. All the pre-Superman stuff; where his influence comes from, at first denying his heritage later to embrace it, but especially the stuff from the last season all about moving forward in life without avoiding the past and everything it finally take for him to become the Superman we all know.
Also yes the new Superman and Lois is really really good.
I liked ALL three movies. Yes, a few parts are badly executed but the overall movies are just perfect to me. They felt like watching the animated Justice League show back then and brought the feeling back. I LIKE them.
I would really like to see an episode on Bucky Barns, The Winter Soldier. Maybe about recovering from guilt and trauma
OMG clark discovering his powers was such a good scene! i never grasped it when i saw the film all those years ago, but thats not an abnormal reaction to being hyper sensitive to sensory input.
I think my biggest issue with the DCEU's Superman is that he never got to be the Symbol of Hope, the Man of Tomorrow, etc.
But that's why I still love Christopher Reeve's Superman because he made sure to get the most important part of Superman right: that he is your friend, no matter what.
I think if Johnathan had of said to him he was proud of him for saving the kids on the bus and using his powers for the right reasons , after maybe show him talking to Martha about maybe he shouldn’t have shown his powers . So that he’s not saying Clark didn’t do the right thing in front of him but still communicating his concern
Edit : also if Clark just said screw it and went to save his dad then disappeared from his town after . It would make so much more sense as to why he left , as well as waning to find signs of his people
Jonathan’s death in superman 78’ was perfect. It’s showed us the audience and Clark the character that even with or without god like powers, you won’t be able save everyone. Clark says that at the funeral as well. Hits hard especially with John Williams score building in the background
Henry Cavill could have been an amazing Superman... if he had just been directed by a someone that actually likes Superman.
But I have hope for James Gunn's Superman, which is being based off Allstar Superman, potentially the best Superman comic ever. By god for the first time in a long time, I have HOPE for a new Superman movie.
Also yes, PLEASE do the Chris Reeve movie. I need it. I need more. Videos on what make Superman amazing are like crack to me. ALSO also, maybe give Superman Returns a look some time???? I know lots of people hate it, and granted it is mostly just an homage to the Chris Reeve films, but I still think there's some great stuff there, particularly in filmmaking itself as it shows how you can have incredibly blockbuster action set pieces where the action is NOT fighting, but saving and rescuing. Everyone complains so much about how Superman never throws a single punch in the movie, but Superman fighting is boring honestly. In combat, he's a sledge hammer, he hits things hard. But during rescues, when he's SAVING people, he's a swiss army knife and it's so much more interesting to see how he can use all his abilities in different ways to tackle different scenarios of rescue.
I don’t hate Snyder as a filmmaker but I think he was absolutely the wrong person to direct Superman, his handling of Jonathan just shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the mythos. All Star is incredible and I hope we get the scene with Regan faithfully recreated because it is beautiful. Chris Reeves and Returns definitely need to be looked at! Basically I 100 percent agree with everything you said
his superman didnt even had a character or any persoalities
Love how you guys sincerely and respectfully disagree, thus giving a very well-balanced review 😊
YES to Chris Reeve Superman vid pls! Thanks and God bless to all 😊
I'd be really interested to hear your toughts on Superman and Lois' take on the character.
These movies made me love Superman because I think so many people view being a good person as something you are born to do but it's a choice and sometimes a tough one. Sometimes doing the right thing is looking at tradition, family, the status quo and say "this is wrong and we can do better" and people will hate you for it. And our world is very cynical and wouldn't trust Superman easily.
You know, I think a perfect fix for the whole "Superman didn't seem concerned with people dying in Metropolis" thing, would have been, have Clark try to save someone one, maybe two times, and then have Zod immediately stop him, kill whoever he was trying to save, and say that he won't give Clark the chance to save a single person, and that the only way to save them, is to kill him.
I don't know if it would be your guys' style, but you should do a review on Bluey! It has some of the best parenting I've ever seen in a kids show, great lessons, amazingly written characters and relatable issues and struggles, and is fun to watch even if you aren't a kid. It's very long, so you'd likely have to find a way to watch this best moments in more of a compilation
Jon does that on his other channel. Mended light
That would be fun, but they're pretty adamant about being Cinema Therapy not TV Therapy, so they only do TV shows that they really love, like Firefly.
I absolutely adore this channel! Thank you for covering one of my fav films! And yes... Superman and Lois is amazing
I like the tornado scene here is why I like it cause Clark isn't ready he is to young like it's clear he is probably going off to college and stuff and he in my opinion isn't quite ready to take up the hero job just yet also there will be times that he won't always be able to save someone or people because could be fighting someone that's about to end him like imagine if his dad went through the same thing the spider man's uncle went through he would probably kill the person so I think it's better for him to lose someone like this in my opinion also this comment I made sounded better in my head but sounded less good when I typed it
Also would love to hear you guys do Hoechlin's Superman at some point because it's currently my favorite portrayal.
I say this all the time but I absolutely love you guys! This show is such a bright spot for me. I love how engaging and authentic you both are. Your the biggest goobs and i love how unapologeticly you embrace that. Plus I get to learn so many fascinating things. Keep it up guys. A joy as always🥰
Aww thanks so much! 😊
I am going through the third phase that you described right now and listening to you talk about how it's part of growing up is interesting. Im 33 and going through my own religious deconstruction from the church that I was born into and raised thinking it was the only option for my life. Im 32 and im rethinking all of it. What are my morals? What do I believe in, not what have I been told to believe in. My entire life is changing and i feel like Im becoming a different person, my own person and I like it. Thanks for another great analysis 😊
Totally agree with Allan about that scene. Watching your dad die from a heart attack is just as traumatic, and more so as in Smallville when it is Clark's fault because Dad was protecting him.
You guys should cover Tom Welling's Superman from Smallville😄
The new Superman cartoon (called "My Adventures with Superman"; airing on Adult Swim, I heard something about how it is on there despite being effectively a Saturday morning cartoon, because if it was pitched to Cartoon Network, they thought it'd be another tax write-off because Warner Bros cancelled a lot of stuff because money and Cartoon Network execs historically aren't that big fans of story-driven programs, which can be said for a lot of children's program networks) so far is doing a phenomenal, refreshing new take on Superman's origins. It's a story on Clark Kent at his new internship at the Daily Planet alongside roommate and best-friend Jimmy Olsen, they meet fellow intern, local spitfire Lois Lane, and along the way he discovers the extent of his powers and takes on the role that he wants to be; he wants to help people. He's still working stuff out with his powers and Kryptonian heritage. This Superman, he's just nice, he's just a nice young man. No messiah undertones, nothing edgy or grimdark, no dead parents, he's just nice, he's like if a golden retriever was a person; not necessarily a himbo, but just sometimes he doesn't think things all the way through and is sometimes driven by his impulses of doing good. It also does some interesting introductions of other DC characters we might know. Despite some of these characters having noticeable design changes and origin changes, you can still pick up on "oh this is that character"; Lois is part-Korean and Jimmy is African-American but you can still tell "oh, there's Lois and Jimmy". There's also a lot of easter eggs and references to very minor stuff from the comics. You can just tell the writers know the source materials and know that a great Superman is one who's nice and not just a big unstoppable messiah who chucks cars at nameless enemies, so far they're understanding the assignment. This is the Clark Kent I can see opening up to Billy Batson about his own secret identity, and this is the Superman I can picture walking around neighborhoods intervening upon hearing the cries of help of a scared child being beaten by his own father, as well as standing up to Klansmen in defense of Chinese immigrants in America, all things that happened in the comics at some point (Superman beating up Klansman is actually from I think a 1940's radio play, much-later adapted into a comic; I think this is where Superman originally learns to fly, because before then he could only just jump really high and run along telephone wires, the comic telling of that story makes a point to Superman learning how to use his immense strength and rework his jumping ability into flight).
I have fallen in love with this show, its been a long time since ive waited for anything week to week
I needed this. Thank you!