Living with an electric car? The TRUTH!
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Have you ever wondered how different add-ons and accessories could reduce the range of your electric car? Well, we have, so we’ve pulled together this video! We’ve got our hands on the Skoda Enyaq, and we’re putting it through a series of tests to see how its claimed range holds up in different driving scenarios.
We’ll start off fairly lightly, with Mat just driving the car as anyone normally would. He’ll then up the stakes, though, driving with everything turned up to the max, including heaters, wipers and full beams!
But that’s not all. Once he’s undertaken that test, we’ll add some other equipment to the car, including a ski rack and a roof box, all the way through to towing a caravan! Oh, and don’t worry, this is carwow after all, so you know we’ll be launching it 😉
So what do you think, will the Enyaq's range hold up? You'll have to keep watching to find out!
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Would you ever buy an electric car?
Second
No
Yes. A Tesla roadster
Yes
As a second car probably
Best review ever. Cant get more precise, comprehensive, or understandable than this. Thank u carwow.
You watched a 21 min video in 5 min? Impressive!
@@nilo-visuals He literally told as every thing he was going to do🤦🏼♀️
Told us*
@@adityavishwanath1676 so you can rate an entire video by just the introduction?
@@nilo-visuals me too watched this. But in a 27min.
No matter how bad my day is, watching Matt doing his silly things, make me smile every time 😂
Mm... I don't think this is silly.
@@kunjupulla Not a silly as the usual, pointless drag races, in fact. ;-)
@@real2gone Yup 👍
Thank you for this video. As a caravan owner, with a caravan currently of 1300kg, I think electric is a long way from towing and will give real range anxiety. Will be sticking with diesel for a while yet I think.
The new Volvo XC40 Recharged is able to pull up to 1500 kg, so progress is being made at least :)
Ioniq 5 is not a heavyweight tower, but can tow up to 1600kg braked. Rivian R1T or R1S can tow 4,800kg. Nope, they're not a long way from towing at all. Charging speed is also dropping - you can charge an Ioniq 5 at a hypercharger from 10%-80% in under 18 minutes.
@@HorribusAT the rivian was tow tested across the US by a rivian employee towing a classic Mustang, only managed 100 miles and took weeks to go coast to coast towing
EVs will never be able to tow without losing loads of range..
I expect most trips with a caravan are going to be long oned. Try to imagine 400miles up the M6, stopping to charge up every 80miles.... 7hrs on the motorway, 3 hours charging. If you were punting this thing around the Scottish Highlands you'd also have hills to contend with, that would likely take the range down to 70miles. That would require a lot of planning. Best thing to do, leave the caravan at home!
Really enjoyed this review. Answered a lot of questions I had regarding EV's. Thank you
Can you do this comparison with a combustion engine? I'm curious to know if it makes such a difference as it does with the EV.
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@@damarfadlan9251 Just report them.
At the very least, same principle apply: more power needed, fuel efficiency reduced, and less range. But due to fuel's higher energy density, the impact is not as much as EVs.
Edit: what I meant to say that ICE are more efficient a constant speed than in cities where they have to accelerate and brake. Compare to an EV which is more at ease in cities thanks to regen compare to high speed that’s all…
I know electric motor are 3 time more efficient. I was comparing how each one was at ease in their situations
I think the difference wouldn’t be as brutal given an ICE is more efficient at constant relatively high speed than an electric motor.
But in cities with a caravan it would be brutal 😄 you would have to wonder why a caravan in a city in the first place first but yeah 😀
Not that much a difference because it's much less efficient with energy (a bit counterintuitive I know).
Car weight would have a bigger impact to range during stop-start scenarios. The biggest issue with added weight is when moving up to speed from standstill. Since you started your test at a constant speed the weight would have minimal impact. I imagine over a long drive through traffic and motorway you would see a dramatic impact to range by having a large cargo load.
You are right, but maintaining highway speed is not efficient for EVs to begin with(kind of the worst way to use them). So I think it’s still a good test. I wonder tho, would the extra weight help the regen in city driving?
It's opposite, in the city EVs will have advantage, it's not about weight only it's about consumption vs power...... In gasoline it will burn alot of fuel to get moving, in EV the consumption is less to get it moving, hence EVs in City consumption same as highway driving...... Taking into account brake degeneration of course....
But you could also regenerate more energy, thats a big plus point for EVs. I know its not a 100 percent efficient but still...
@@Axter6 sorta but it's also gonna consume way more energy to get moving so you'd still lose a ton of range
But you're usually only concerned about range on long drives.
Great video Mat,proper real world video for EVs, first video that I’ve seen for any channel,thank you.👍🏻
Your videos are great. Thanks for details you go in to.
I would like to see the least range you can manage by combining lots of the disadvantages.
It’s the same conditions that would make gas cars use more gas. Weight, hills, road conditions, speed…
@@aussie2uGA Yes but the effect seems to be greater in the EV? Would you use more than twice as much petrol if you tow a caravan?
0.2 🤣
@@aussie2uGA yes, but you can refill full tank in 5 min... Witht EV its 60 min driving, 40 min charging. Its sad.
About 40 miles🥵
Great information, Matt makes is fun to watch boring stuff, love it
Keep up the grind🔥🔥
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This is brilliantly useful info, well done for taking the time
Being practical minded, this is the kind of video I like to watch. I'd really like to see a similar video comparing Tesla Model Y Long Range and perhaps several other similar EVs that offer the ability to tow.
I love this type of testing. Great job Matt! Please do more of these types of reviews using other electric vehicles. Thanks!
Great review Mat! A lot of really interesting points 🙂
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beautiful caravan!
great work man, and valuable info. thx
Thanks, thoroughly enjoyable and informative!
Thank you so much for this video and it's insane
This is a great video idea! Would like to see this done with more cars to see which electric car is the best at towing
@Aryan A Hummer Ev can do this the better.
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The difference will be smaller. Combustion engines have way bigger losses in general so this won't Effekt the range this much.
For comparison my winter gasoline consumption is less than 10% more of the summer.
It may be the model X against the BMW IX towing duel!
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Useful stuff. Amazing how good youtube car shows are now. Thanks.
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Only carwow does these kinds of tests, keep up the good work !!
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Yes, other reviews will only tell you about official 300+ miles of range without even bothering to look at actual power consumption rate (which is not lying, in contrary to VW marketing team).
@@APopov hi Oleksandr. How are you tonight?🙏 Fine?
I sincerely appreciate the tabulated results (where you asked us to pause the video). I'm a research scientist in a way, and that table was a piece of art if I say so myself. Glad someone is doing these tests, now I'm educated on the effects of variables on an EV. Thank you again, and have a wonderful day!
Agree. If only it was in real world (ISO) units! Interesting to use Kilograms, but prehistoric 'miles'.
@@petergorton9848 just going to throw this out there, but miles are used more than km in native English speaking counties. And as this was an Englishman test, mph made more sense to more people.
I also really appreciate the test, but I felt one more thing could be testet. How about bikes on a rack behind the car? I fairly often drive and see people with bikes attached behind the car, so putting that into the mix would be nice to see.
Very good video!! Best one yet !
Finally the video I've been waiting for months
Hey Matt great review was chatting to my mum about taking a caravan from Birmingham to Cornwall and having to stop and charge it 3 times. She raised a good point, how are you going to park an suv hooked to a caravan and get to a charging point they are for cars only.
hmm - if its summer and you use aircon maybe 4 or 5 charges - I'm still running a diesel - just like the Government told me to do a few years ago !
@@fingerintheair That statement is completely false. Using the A/C doesn't affect the range that much, maybe around 5% to 10% or so. It would absolutely not add 2 extra charging stops for any reason.
@@redbaron6805 Not necessarily. If your maximum range is already down to 100 miles on a full charge then aircon is knocking another maybe 5 miles off. I doubt you want to arrive at the charger with zero miles or stay for ages to get the last 5% of trickle charge so your 'effective' range is now around 80 miles. Chargers don't appear exactly every 80 miles so it could indeed add 1 or 2 more charges to some routes.
@@P-Bee You are a bit off for several reasons. Track driving EV's makes poor numbers for a simple reason, you are the only car on the track. In traffic, you would be quite surprised how much extra range traffic gets you as they break up the wind resistance. Also, on a normal highway, you don't just cruise flat out at 60Mph for the entire trip, and slowing down for traffic or congestion down to 50Mph or 40Mph at times makes the trip that much more efficient.
There are many other factors involved of course also. If you were towing, you can find an EV with larger battery and better range. And in the USA, chargers are often spaced 50 miles apart or less. Not sure how that works out in the UK.
We are also talking about the UK. I lived in Europe for 2 decades and never had a car with air conditioning. It isn't exactly Arizona over there, and the A/C isn't exactly working very hard to keep you cool.
@@redbaron6805 it depends where and when you go towing or whatever. ive almost never needed to slow down to that extent. also aircon isnt just for cooling, its also for drying air for demisting etc.
Trailer aerodynamics are a major factor for efficiency even for fuel driven combos: My TDI Passat gets 47 mpg solo, my high-box trailer gets it down to 26... but when I had an old Westfalia lower profile, slightly aerodynamic trailer of the same size (weight and loading area), the combo got away with 40+ mpg. So mostly about wind resistance.
Thanks for the interesting infos as always!
Matt, as can be seen all comes to air drag , speed and mass. You cannot cheat physics...thanks for great video!!
Fantastic review! Small request though, can you also flash up some other alternative units for consumption such as wh/km?
Would appreciate Wh/km, too. I compiled a list from the video:
Electrical systems off @ 96 km/h: 207 Wh/km
Electrical systems off @ 112 km/h: 239 Wh/km
Electrical systems on max. @ 112 km/h: 327 Wh/km
+4 passengers, systems off @ 112 km/h: 248 Wh/km
Ski rack @ 112 km/h: 296 Wh/km
Roof box @ 112 km/h: 270 Wh/km
Bike @ 112 km/h: 282 Wh/km
Caravan @ 96 km/h: 478 Wh/km
im sure there are channels that use KMs that will supply this information. as the UK uses miles and KW/h for energy consumption, and its a UK based channel, that is what is used here. there are very few channels on youtube that convert to 'foreign' measurement units (as in ones not generally used in the home country)
@@petelattimer6808 The metric system is dominant in practically all countries, hence the additional five minutes required to translate the table are not a waste of time in my opinion. There is no harm in showing both units.
For American viewers, please quote megacalories per deca-furlong. Thanks.
What people don’t seem to take into account is the fact that range anxiety sets in when there’s about 30 miles range left, if not before. It’s all very well saying a 230 mile range, but no one is going to run it down to that. They’ll always be desperate to charge when they’ve done 200 miles unless they are going home and can guarantee a charge within the remaining range.
Very nice video, I second the comment on the buggy infotainment system. I have an octavia RS iV (bought new, not second hand) and within the first year I had to bring it back 5 times!! The software is soooooo crap it is unbelievable. They had to replace the steering wheel with all electrical components, a boardcomputer in the trunk and a completely new software pack. Now that I have seen the same thing happen here I highly recommend staying away from Skoda until these things are fixed.
Thank you. Very interesting stuff there
Love the data screen at 19:22, thanks.
It looks like drag is more important than weight (four blokes).
I used to have a 66 reg Leaf, that got 4.4 miles/kwh in summer and 3.8 in winter, but that was all urban driving, again 15% loss due to systems on. Can you do the same test across lower speeds, I expect the lower speed (and lower drag) will make a massive difference.
Yes, drag is the killer. caravans roughly double the consumption for ICE vehicles, too, no matter the weight.
I think we will need to keop our diesel Passat for quite some time to be able to do road trips with our caravan... But I so badly want to buy an EV! :)
At a steady speed, the extra weight just adds a little more rolling resistance to the tyres.
If you're in a city, you need good regen otherwise you're wasting energy starting and stopping the movement of that extra mass.
kinetic energy is the square of the speed, not the mass.
Excellent review and shows the true impact on using the car in anything but perfect conditions. Living in the West Country and experiencing the summer caravan exodus every Saturday morning (as the sites require people to be off by midday) then there would be absolute chaos. Today it’s damn near impossible to stop at any services heading to the midlands before Bristol But in electric cars you would have to stop for a charge before Exeter! Oh and there are only a handful of charges in Devon and Cornwall altogether. Simply not viable
Cooling a car doesn't take very much energy, so summers are not much of an issue. And people keep saying things are not "viable" like this can't be solved. Obviously it can. More charging points and longer range cars designed for towing are already in the works.
People sometimes act as when combustion engine cars arrived, there were petrol stations on every corner and roads everywhere. That simply wasn't the case. Early combustion engine cars had to buy petrol in a glass jar from their local pharmacy.
The idea that every need and every problem will be solved upfront as EV's growth is starting to take off is obviously wildly unrealistic.
@@redbaron6805 my point is that the current practices followed by for example camp sites force this surge of traffic. Towing is recognised by all parties including the caravan club and AA to massively reduce the range too. Any holiday hot spot need to plan ahead be it the West Country or Lake District for example. Today there is no infrastructure to support the number of visitors we get every year and there are no visible plans for charging stations. I agree this are solvable but waiting until it’s an issue and then building will be too late and decimate the holiday industry in those regions. By planning ahead and getting the ev charging in place with rapid chargers will indeed resolve the issues but today those plans don’t exist and knowing how planning works in this country then we are cruising to disaster
@@antonycotterill3052 You may be correct, but in the USA camp sites usually come with 14-50 outlets that provide 240VAC at 50A. You can easily charge your EV at those over here.
Not sure how this works in the UK. But cars for towing will be addressed eventually in time. The focus now is more on producing EV's for the mass market of people driving to work, school or the office. The larger vehicles that can tow are coming in the USA this year and next year, but their primary focus is on short range towing or work crews and similar work like construction.
For the foreseeable future, towing will be done with existing cars or hybrids until batteries and technology catch up.
@@redbaron6805 "Early combustion engine cars had to buy petrol in a glass jar from their local pharmacy."
I fail to see how a car (of any kind) can buy anything...
@@knrdvmmlbkkn Yawn... Is that really the best you can do...?
Wow!!!! This is by far the best rest of an electric vehicle yet, I bet the caravan club are overjoyed with pleasure. Thx for great vid Car wow
Excellent test and lots of really useful real world data.
It would be interesting to compare efficiency of bike carrying systems for roof, boot door or towing hook.
Bike with both wheels on roof is hellish. Massive turbulence at highway speeds. Worse than 2 short windsurf boards.
Just before New Year's Day, we drove a Tesla Model 3 from Calgary to Edmonton (Alberta, Canada) in -27 C weather with a wind chill of -37 C. The range was cut in less than half. Also charging at a Tesla Super Charger took over 45 minutes (as opposed to the estimated time of 30 minutes on the display/computer). So instead of over 300 km range (std battery), we got less than 150 km. The 300+ km trip took us more than 8 hours to complete with 3 charges to full and cost was about $33 in electricity. Our chase vehicle (Honda CRV) took $38 of regular fuel. Therefore, in very cold conditions like in the arctic and Canada, it is not very practical. BTW, we even turned the heat down and drove slower to save power but the range was still less than 1/2. We spoke with a brand new Tesla owner at a supercharger in Red Deer and he said around the town the range in this weather was about 55% of the indicated range. It is posted on my Facebook page on December 29 if you are interested in more details. Cheers.
The country with the highest uptake electric cars anywhere in the world is Norway - somehow they have made it work and the climate is probably similar to Canada
@@fcex558 Well Norway seems to be coping - they are a rich country and wouldn't go down a route that does not fundamentally work. Driving distances are shorter than Canada and the charing infrastructure is very advanced - with a high % of cheap renewable energy. As a rich country they can heavily subsidize the price of cars so they do not lead the world in expensive car ownership just EV ownership - 50% of all new cars sold are EVs with a goal of 100% by 2025.
@@fcex558 do u know why countries are pushing to EV in the first place lol?
@@czmitche IT AINT HAPPENING EVS BIGGEST HYPE AND DISSAPOINTMENT IN MOTORING HISTORY ITS A REGRESSION TECHNOLOGY
THE RADICAL LEFT WONT LIKE THIS VERY LIGHT REVIEW IN REALLY HOW POOR EV CARS ARE , AND THAT A MORE DEEPER DIVE REVIEW THAT THERE MUCH WORSE , THAT FACT THEY TAKING HOURS TO DAYS TO CHARGE COMPARED TO 2 MINUTES REFUEL TIME WITH PETROL AND DIESEL WILL DRAMATICALLY SLOW YOUR LIFE DOWN AND ADD YEARS OF LOST TIME WAITING FOR CHARGING OVER A LIFE TIME , AND EVEN WORSE FAMILY EMERGENCY AMBULANCE CANT GET THERE FAST ENOUGH AND YOU HAVE NO RANGE TO GET TO NEAREST HOSPITAL YOU COULD COST YOUR DAUGHTER JUST BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO BE HIP AND OWN 1 AN EV WITHOUT DOING ANY LOGICAL RESEARCH INTO THE CONS OF OWNING 1 OF THESE AND THATS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG !!!!
Great video, amusing as ever, I think the aerodynamics of that caravan was akin to putting wheels on a brick 😅
Matt, this could be the first ever review of it's kind in the world, comparing the battery drain on different scenarios. Brilliant😀
I have an ID4 and the range numbers match pretty well with the real life numbers I'm getting. Worth mentioning that the range numbers also vary depending on weather as it'll go lower if it's cold outside. Also, after about a year of usage, I've seen my range reducing as well...
Bet you won't be buying an ev ever again 😆
@@labourlawact7826 I’m on my 3rd. I wouldn’t go back to internal combustion again, it’s too agricultural.
It's interesting how a lot of these suv evs fair when it comes to range, I was looking to swap the wife's car to one but their efficiency is still pretty poor went from Manchester to London and back in my m3 lr and managed 4.3 miles per kwh with fully loaded car 5 people and ac on, I do want to go back to legacy manufacturers but they're still a couple of years behind
@@aerox69x was that in the summer? My I.d3 will do that in the summer my 58kwh battery will get me 180 miles in the winter (until V3 software where I believe we will be back just over 200 miles). I swapped my 2019 plate LR AWD Model 3 for an ID3 I much prefer the VW. Yes it’s slower and the range isn’t as good but as a car it’s miles better.
@@scottwills4698 that was this weekend between 5 and 9 degrees (it's a fair bit better in the summer) I do like the id3 and think the space comfort and hatch suit family needs more. But the supercharger network for the tesla makes it much easier (until its opened up )
Does the state of charge of the battery affect the efficiency of the battery and/or motor? Should all of these tests have been conducted on a fully charged battery?
As usual a great and educational video. Have bought several new Skodas and now is the time to start choosing an EV one! Oh what fun!!
My IV80 is arriving next month with AWD & a tow hitch.
Very good review Matt, please do the same with self charging hybrids, I would love to hear the truth about their wonderful 🤪 MPG figures!
Thank you for this review! I was also thinking about range consumption with electronic use in the car for daily use
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Should've tested it while towing, roof rack and bike on, four blokes, and all systems enabled --- all at the same time xD.
Probably couldn’t even done his 10 miles xD
The tests up to the caravan were very good and the test with the caravan cruising on level ground at a constant speed showed a drop in range that was shocking but just for fun, you should do the caravan test on the road where you'd be stopping and starting, and going up and down hills. Starting off and going uphill would really take it out of the battery. Yes, slowing down and running downhill puts some back but when the car is powering, it'd be sucking the battery dry.
Great video. Would like to see you tow the caravan with the roof box, wonder if it would make a difference. And possible test with a tow bar mounted bike rack 👍
Decent review. For the moment, towing our 2000kg caravan, I’ll be sticking with my Ford Ranger. 1500kg spare capacity and can be recharged to full on nearly every corner in 15mins. 😂
An important fact that was missing regarding charging an EV when towing. Charging bays are single car size. What do you do with the caravan when you are on a long trip.
Block multiple stalls or the road🤷♂️😅 you could have similar problems with a low roof tho
sell it
Keep a gas generator in the trunk so you can charge as you drive.
@@patriciajames6601 you win the prize with the correct answer .
Had a great laugh last night on a country trip. Watching ev owners settling in for their charge. A queue of deluded fellow ev owners waiting for their turn while we stopped at the servo, not for fuel but for coffee. We were only 160 km from sydney. We will do our 1200km round trip on the same tank of diesel we left home with, towing a small boat. Evs have a long way to go before they canbe any more than a short distance commuter. Your caravan point is hilarious.
Brilliant video. Now can you repeat with the Skoda 2.0 TDI so show impact of attaching accesories to car has on its efficiency? Fossil cars still the way for towing unless you have $ for a Model X. Even then it doesnt have the range of an ICE car.
No such thing as a "fossil" car, you used the correct word near the end of your post; ICE. I believe using words invented as pejoratives is detrimental to progress. Just a bugbear.
I've got one of those...Octavia 4x4...they're excellent... 9l/100km with 1500kg caravan 3 kids...me...my good lady and a german shepherd on board.
We´ve got a 9 year old Skoda Superb Combi 2.0 TDI 4x4 with 170hp and a 6-speed manual. We were recently skiing and had an average consumption of 5.6l/100km on the 500km long journey with a fully occupied car fitted with a roof box.
With a caravan we averaged about 9l/100km on the German Autobahn
Hi Matt. Very informative!!! Well done. You should try a test with an electrical car here in Spain. Living in Cantabria in the North (near the coast). I would love to see how a journey to Madrid would pan out with and without a trailer! The journey is all motorway... but you have to climb to 1440 metres... I'd love to see the reality of that journey. Going to Madrid I average 6.5l/100 km... coming home 5.2l/100km (Volvo S80 D4... diesel).
One of your best review. Very informative and practical. Would love to see a same review with Tesla Model 3.
About time a car reviewer did this kind of test on an electric SUV. Well done Matt. 👏👏
TFL have been doing this too. Although carwow does a great job of clearly showing the results.
@@2157AF I think not most UK folk watch TFL because quite a few comments said “it was about time someone did this”…Or maybe they’re just not subbed…TFL did it recently to the rivian1 & Tundra.
Most of the EV "reviewers" the last decade+ have been influencers...which means 2 bit PR and advertisers....they either are hoping to be paid, or they were using glowing videos to get loaner cars to get views...or to get perks like Tesla points to obtain a free car.
@@STho205 Isn’t some guy named Ben owed 2 Tesla Roadsters?…I don’t know how they can afford to give out so many of these already expensive roadsters.
Another test you should try is stop start traffic jam simulation. I got stuck in a 2 hours jam on the M25 last night and there were several e-cars on the hard shoulder (luckily there a still are some places with a hard shoulder), with no lights, no hazards, nothing. And rescuing is far more effort than just finding a can of petrol
Yep, the equivalent of getting a can of petrol for an EV would be a portable generator, I imagine. But you'd need a decent generator and a couple hours of charging to charge the EV enough to make it to the next charging station. It would be quicker and easier to get a tow truck.
That's odd because EV's are more efficient at lower speeds. That's why they're so good in town and on smaller roads.
@@mikedoverskog But on cold or hot days the heating/aircon saps battery, and lighting does. Nobody plans to get stuck in a traffic jam so if you do get stuck when you are close to full discharge for a couple of hours, of slow shuffling forward, you are going to run out of juice
Good review, I’ve been driving electric cars for just under 7 years. But I also have a diesel Motorhome. I’ve been brainstorming whether in the future I would go back to towing (with a Tesla model Y). Maybe! But Caravan technology has to change also. Good news is, there is some development ongoing (“towing assist”) which incorporates motors in the wheel hubs of caravans, (similar to E-bike technology, but on a bigger scale), which also by necessity incorporates batteries on board the caravan, effectively increasing your range, so that not all the load is concentrated on the towing vehicle. These can also act as “motor movers” when the caravan is unattached for pitching the van. It also does away with the need for gas bottles, (because all energy needs can be accommodated through an inverter from the caravan’s battery). The weight of batteries in the van is offset by not needing LPG cylinders or separate motor movers. Added benefit, is the van batteries can be trickle charged on site, from the electric hook up or solar. With regard to consulting the Caravan and Motorhome club, I’ll take that with a pinch of salt, they are far too backward thinking for my liking. The fact is we can’t keep burning fossil fuels, poisoning our children and creating global warming. I can totally understand the frustration over the lack of suitable chargepoints for towing vehicles. I made that point in a government study I was involved in 5 years ago. The other fact is that the UK government is so far behind Europe and other countries with it’s EV charger role out strategy, (it doesn’t really have a strategy, leaving it to the “market”, to the private sector is not good enough). There’s no wonder there is so much scepticism about EVs the UK.
very interisting review i loved it
very interesting, thanks for spending the time. Even with your caveat at 19:30, I would still like to see this stacked against a similar ICE car (Kodiaq?), both in terms of loss of range & cost per mile with all the bits. We don't think about this stuff so much with dinosaur juice, do we? So it's good that EVs are making us think about how much we drive and how much fun we allow ourselves
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This was quite thorough, great real world testing.
First class review, the truth !
I have had 5.5 miles per kW with Kona, driving slow country roads, gave 320 miles one charge.
Would be amazingly interesting to make this test also with other EV´s. Especially with a Tesla. Maybe cut some test out for time puposes, but would be amazing to see differences at load.
using Nautical Caravan miles?
Same test for Model Y please!!!
Nice video. Wait to bye one for sure.
Another amazing review from Matt. This answers lots of questions pertaining to EV
That roofbox sounds as if it would rattle up a storm on the motorway!
When you calculate the cost per mile for all those tests and do that with home charging and super charger rates while away from home the running costs are horrific!!! Not to mention how much coal was burned to produce all that electricity!!
EV's have a way to go before they make any sense!! There is a very good argument that the best choice is still an efficient mild hybrid!
And you probably haven't even factored the rising energy costs! I totally agree with you!
I do the maths, in my case my EV running costs are 4 times cheaper than my ex-gasoline car.
But this depends your country and your usage of course.
There is only 2 remaining coal power plants in mine and 56 nuclear reactors.
you are right sir . welcome to 2011.
You can still try LPG which is available in many countries and costs half the price of petrol (0.72p in UK right now vs 1.65Ł for unleaded). Some producers sell cars with their own LPG instllations on board for few extra euros/pounds(Dacia does something like that). Efficient LPG car can be somewhere near of cost of EV with practicality of ICE car.
love your videos, watch many inc this one, helped me choose the EV car we have, plus not to buy 2 EV cars for the household, not enough electric points to charge when both out and about, so I have a golf e-hybrid as our 2nd car and Id-4 Pro performance Family car. works great. thanks Eddie
Great vid. Informative as
The thing that probably hit your "everything on" range was setting the A/C to max. I keep my A/C to 19/20°C, which is plenty warm enough - it's what my central heating at home is set to.
Oooo interesting experiment :D. Atm, not many EVs can really tow caravans, apart from cars like the Skoda, Tesla Model X, Polestar 2, Mercedes EQC and Audi E-Tron, which they can. On a separate note, 0:56 who knew Mat could fit in there? 😃😆👍
Electric cars can do the best. 👍
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Kia and Hyudai new ones all have towbar as option, usually to 1600kg max though.
@Czarodziej just gone bot. You got the wrong page.
I appears the 'controls' for the screen are all touch sensitive which may well be ok but it does mean you have to take your eyes off the road in order to see where the 'buttons' are located. It would be safer to have 'manual' buttons/controls which can be easily found by touch with a quick glance at the screen to check setting. Great review btw.
A very good video & very informative as I have a caravan & can’t afford a BMW so I will have to keep buying diesel cars for now until the technology improves for the caravan industry & well done to Bailey caravans for lending you a small caravan, unfortunately I think that you hadn’t got the van fully loaded with all the equipment you need to go on holiday..
For the germans 😄
3.0 mi/kWh = 20.7 kWh/100km @60 (96,6 km/h)
2.6 mi/kWh = 23.9 kWh/100km @70(112,7 km/h)
1.9 mi/kWh = 32.7 kWh/100km @5 people
1.3 mi/kWh = 47.8 kWh/100km @caravan
Or anyone outside uk.
Basically all of Europe 😆
you basically mean "rest of the world"
Brits, still thinking they're relevant :))
Thanks, this was very informative. The only issue I have is with the "all systems on" test - it takes a lot more energy to reach a certain temperature than to maintain it. So, you had to first drive 10 laps and when reaching sauna temperatures, only then to reset and start the consumption test.
Good point. Also, who would ever put the temperature (and probably also the ventilation speed) to the maximum it can go. The test would be more realistic if it would be at max 21/22 degrees C and average fan setting.
Also would have been nice to see one with with all systems on and with a family of 5 with all their luggage, as it is very common.
@@HypnOlli There are many scenarios that could have been explored. But, keep in mind for heating, having 5 people in a car requires less heating than with 1 person, as each person emits body heat into the car and reduces air volume.
Also, as noted, no one runs a car with the heat on max as it would be intolerable within minutes, hence that test is wildly unrealistic, running max cooling would be the same. No one is going to be driving a rolling refrigerator down the road while dressing up for the arctic inside.
@@redbaron6805 here in the cold northern hemisphere in winter (often around 4 months through November December January and February) I often put my car heat to max to clear the windows and keep myself warm
@@brianmclean8666 I think you are missing the point. You can put the heater on max to clear your windows and warm up the car, no one is disputing that. But that process lasts a few minutes.
You can't take that energy number and then claim this is what the car is consuming for the next hours. Once your windows are clear and the car is warmed up, the car simply has to maintain the existing temperature.
That means the heater will cycle on and off, using far less energy each hour than the surge needed to begin with.
Also, many EV owners do this when the car is plugged in before they leave. The cars have a pre-conditioning time you can set, so you tell the car to start heating up and clearing the windows at 6:50 and the car will be warm and the windows clear by 7:00 when you are ready to leave.
That way, there is zero impact on the cars range to heat up the car and it only has to maintain the temperature for your journey.
Good fun. My daughter just bought one of these and has problems on long journeys finding a) charging points, b) charging points in working condition (France), and c) charging points without a waiting time for someone to finish.
Thanks. I think I'll stick with my S3 for weekends and my Mini Countryman Cooper D (remapped to Cooper SD power and One levels fo fuel economy) for everyday use!
I went hybrid (PHEV) last month; for the moment it's the best of both worlds.
Disagree. It's the worst of both worlds.
With an EV and no gas engine, you eliminate over 2000 parts that need maintenance and can fail.
A PHEV has all the complexity of a gas car plus the electronics, battery and motor of an EV. Plus you still have oil changes etc
Pure EV is the way to go.
@blackvr4tt I agree that EV is the path forward but there's still progress needed on weight, capacity, charging times and infrastructure. Today (and for my profile), PHEV suits me better: EV for most of my commutes and ICE for longer trips. I do cross my fingers to go full electric in the near future though.
Well done for a great review on an EV towing etc.
I'm a caravan owner and currently would never consider an EV for towing at this time.
Two considerations....One which you've pointed out is the rediculous range and Two the high price of EVs just to get a decent spec.
But will done involving a caravan.
that was the best EV review ever, many times you see the title "real world test" but no one even come close to how this video is so useful
great content. thank you,
This was great! Thank you for doing it!
Everyone needs to see it!
And yes, combustion engine range also drops when towing but does it drop by half?
No it doesn’t, nowhere near half. Most people towing get reasonable ranges these days. One of the benefits of diesel engines.
I disagree. It depends on the vehicle and what you are towing. My f150 EcoBoost will do around 13 L/100 kms empty on the hiway. When I pull my camper it will go to around 22-25L/100kms if there is any headwind at all It will push up over 30L / 100kms. My ecodeisel would do slightly better running about 11L/100kms empty and around 18-22L/100kms towing my camper. My F450 deisel will get about 1100kms to a tank when empty and as low at 400kms when towing my big trailer but that trailer weighs 35,000lbs. So in my experience towing will cut your ice vehicle down In half on range as well but granted it would not be as bad if you were just pulling a small camper or something like that.
The amount of energy needed to tow the caravan is same no matter what car you drive. Internal combustion engine are very inefficient and that’s why your consumption doesn’t go up as much. Most of your fuel is transferred to heat instead of moving the car.
Well useful. Glad to see putting my bike on will affect the range but not too badly.
I would never mount a bike like this - the wobbling freaks me out.
Thanks for the test @carwow - testing the Enyaq on Saturday if all works out.
Brilliant review that just highlights everything I ever thought about these stress boxes. Hell would have to freeze over before I buy one and even then I wouldnt because I'd worry about using the heater !
I've had two EVs and am getting rid of the second one next week and going back to combustion. You're right, they're just a stress if you actually need to use them to travel places. Public charging points are also so expensive that per kw/mile they work out about the same as an efficient petrol hatchback in fuel costs. Things have gotten better over the 4 years I've had EVs, but the real underlying problems are related to the concept itself and infrastructure. So I think are decades away from being sorted... if at all. I have friends with Teslas and I'm convinced that they have forced themselves to love them because EVs are such a huge investment.
@@BoxFlyHaydn This. People have convinced themsleves that they are 'doing their bit for the planet' without looking at everything that is involved in the whole process. EVs are an utter joke and always will be. I once saw Elon Musk described as a man who takes existing technology and makes it worse and nothing I've ever seen about anything he is doing will change my mind. With the possible exception of SpaceX
Been watching carwow every single day for 4 years now, went through good and bad in my life but Matt was always here to cheer me up no matter what, cant imagine my life without these videos anymore 👌👊👊
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Hi Arturas.
Pulling a heavy caravan with our Insignia 2.0CDTI 160, we used to get fuel consumption of around 30mpg, compared with around 50 without it (on a long run). So, efficiency does not drop to the same extent with a diesel engine as it does with the electric Skoda Enyaq, even taking into account that our caravan weighed around 1600kg.
Really through testing , but you also add Winter weather to the mix as the cold will effect it on many levels as well
Always seems to forget that evs are more efficient around town
When you factor in a caravan can you imagine on a bank holiday at electric charging point .
The bays we have now would need to be in the Truck and car and Caravan section .
Otherwise , the People would need to uncouple the Caravan and
then Charge then recouple and set off again .
Someone setting off to do a journey from Watford to the lake district would
need to do this twice , unless they did the journey like Stagecoaches did and make a couple of overnight stops on the way .
Reallife range may be even worse as there may be road works traffic jams and other diversions .
The practicality is not there . With that size caravan . Only retired Caravan users need apply .
I its totally ridiculous. If I was ro drive from Aberdeenshire to Dover to go away in the caravan 644miles I would take 3 days alone on charging time. 😆
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You could have Parking lot Caravan Parks at the Chargers .
I suspect if you were catching a boat from Dover then there would be fist fights at the chargers .
I doubt the ferry companies would
refund for the charger was broken and I am stuck in Sheffield .
The more you think thing through the more ridiculous it is .
I would love to see how much the charging costs go up and the road maintenance costs . All electric cars are heavier .
And a consequence of electric cars fast acceleration , I predict that there will be an increase in Road accidents and incidents were cars trying to get to chargers are hit by others .
The target of 2030 stopping the sale of ICE cars and the restrictions and incentive will cause us to go back to 1970s car ownership . And a big increase in Motorbikes .
@@alistairbrebner1998 hi Alistair.
@@alistairbrebner1998 caravan sometimes can do 2000 miles.
@@lesleyriseam1282 …except that in central London now I see half the motorbike parking spaces being reallocated to e-scooter hire companies, so the motorbike option isn’t really there either, as it’s much harder to find a parking spot.
Very useful exercise for thinking about how best to use any car for economy.
Good review.
19:22 for all the ones that just want the efficiency results
How about producing caravans that compliment an electric car by having a battery bank onboard to attach to the car as part of the car's battery pack during towing. One thing is for sure you shouldnt run out of electicity for the caravan if you keep both car and van batteries fully charged.
Nice idea and there's also a reasonable bit of roof space on the caravan to allow for some erectable solar panels that can be optimally aligned once parked up. Charge the van battery and then you've got the option of dumping that into the car. That said, it would add a fair bit of cost and would probably cost far more than just paying for the extra public charging once in a while that would be needed.
Thanks Matt, I was hoping you would have attached a Pinarello Bolide bike to the bike rack. Cda extra low!! 😁
Nice car that electric Skoda SUV... That 0-60mph time was pretty decent considering it was pulling that 800+ kg caravan !
Great video BTW ! 👍
one of the best carwow reviews I've seen for a while, well done Mat & team
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or shall i say well done Mat & ballast…
Have been considering an ev for my next car for a while now, but the more videos I watch of them and the cost of electricity going up by 54% I think I will be giving it a miss until I am forced to change.
Yep, electric cars are great for short journeys - the issue is charging the bloody things!
Electric prices will only increase and fast chargers will cost a ridiculous amount as demand increases.
Been looking at plug in hybrids but most of them are not great either. 20 odd miles of electric range in the real world. It would be enough for my commute though.
Wait until they introduce a per mile or km depending where you live tax to replace the money lost on fuel excise. In Australia, fuel tax is about a third the total cost per litre. So add that onto your electricity costs which will continue to skyrocket and then add the fact that evs are at least 50% more expensive than their ice equivalent…..
@@foxxster3565 These claims are obviously false. Fuel costs in Australia are $6.78 per gallon. Electricity prices are 25 cents to 40 cents per kWh.
On a car with 26Mpg fuel economy the cost per mile is 26 cents per mile. Since EV's typically get 4 miles per kWh, the price per mile is 6 cents to 10 cents per mile. Elementary math would say that 6 to 10 is less than 26.
Adding a few cents per mile tax on an EV still wouldn't change the math. In the USA they have done that already in some areas, but it maxes out at around USD 150 annually or around 1 cent per mile. Still doesn't change the math in favor of EV's.
@@redbaron6805 fuel excise is around 45 cents a litre or over $2 a gallon. Now add that to you equation. And given evs cost around 100% more than their equivalent ice vehicle you are not going to break even. Eg the Kona is from $28 aud for the petrol version. The electric version of exactly the same car is from $60k. You are NEVER going to recoup the $30k price difference. Apart from which there are an awful lot of people who simply cannot afford $60k for a small car, and obviously more for a decent size family vehicle.
@@foxxster3565 You are not going to add that to the equation as there is literally nowhere how this actually works. And EV's don't cost 100% more than ICE vehicles, that is utter baloney. Even current price premiums which are shrinking are 10% to 40%.
A Hyundai Kona is around $23000 in the USA, the EV version is $34000. But after the $7500 for tax credit, the EV is $26500, a difference of 15%.
So, you maybe looking at this from the perspective of the disastrous policies in Australia, but that is not how this works in the rest of the world.
This VIDEO is BRILLIANT 🤩
Very instructive and not far from the facts we have established over the year I have run electric. But if you are a 2 car family an electric and a conventional would work fine. We are a 1 car family now retired and we LOVE electric.
But I would love to see the equivalent test done with a convectional vehicle. I remember an British Rail advert saying that if you drove from London to Scotland with your bike on the roof it would cost more than the train fare. I'll bet there would be a surprising change in consumption there too.
To make it more ‘real-world’ish, maybe you could do one test with 4 passengers, full luggage, and maybe skibox?