It won't, because UA-cam's algorithm encourages it. The longer people stare at this garbage, the more ad revenue they can generate. Thank you for sparing me eleven minutes of tedium.
So you don't have to watch the crappy video.... 1) Bob Dylan 2) Judy Collins 3) John Lennon 4) Madonna 5) Taylor Swift It isn't so much hatred as slight criticisms. As for the bad breath, she's talking about Dylan And as my Grandpa used to say, "A skunk always smells it's own hole first."
I prefer Judy Collins version of Both Sides Now. I found Joni's studio version of the song so dull. It was Judy's version that made Joni successful so her hating on it is hilarious especially since she herself was obviously inspired by Judy's singing on it.
3:40 "I hated sharing a microphone with him because he had rotten breath." Being a chain-smoker for the past 70 or so years, I'd venture to say Joni's breath isn't like spring flowers.
One could say that Joni Mitchell was emulating Judy Collins in her early folk recordings. No musician is completely original. They don’t exist in a vacuum.
They certainly don't. It was the lead single from Judy Collins' sixth studio album Wildflowers (1967), "Both Sides, Now" - written by Joni Mitchell - that gave her international prominence. Perhaps it's the other way around.
Early in her career, Judy Collins mostly recorded songs by other artists. Joni almost always wrote and recorded her own material and rarely other people's songs; "Twisted" (1952, lyrics by Annie Ross from Hendricks, Lambert and Ross) was a rare one she did as the finale for her album "Court and Spark".
For anyone confused about the Swift comments from 9:20 onwards, there once was talk about doing a Joni Mitchell biopic (that never materialised), in the early 2010s, I think it was, and Taylor Swift was considered to play Joni. That's what Mitchell is commenting on here.
I'm glad she was able to stop that nonsense, Hollywood needs to back off and give it a rest. She deserves a very well done documentary about her genius, not a biopic where the main character is the new celebrity the industry wants to push into the scene. Joni is bigger than that.
@@Mess2012Z If you're speaking of Ms Swift, she's already been in at least one film (Amsterdam); she's on for about three minutes at the beginning and then gets run over by a bus. Kind of an analogy of her acting career…
yeah - heard her talking about that on camera -- she was telling this story and saying all they would have would be a blond girl with high cheekbones -- they have NO story" -- though I sense that would not stop them from trying. Then, as if for emphasis, she stubbed her cig out hard into the ashtray and said: "Thank GOD I killed that thing. -- I'm glad too -- lol
And all the ones that are total pure lies. I confess those bother me. Like-- what are they aiming at-- that Meghan Markle should be put in prison for some invisible mysterious reason that no one puts into words? I hate it. Soon they'll being throwing away the key to Camilla's cell for also: what reason? And that actress with blonde hair and thin lips. I don't think they'll succeed with the actor /Trump critics tho.
@@karensimons5387 Good on you for noticing. On all these channels we should give a thumb's down & DEFINITELY do not subscribe. $$ is the only deterrent, or lack there of.
@@DuncanIdahogo Her real name is Roberta Joan, so she's someone who goes by her middle name. Bob changed his surname from Zimmerman to Dylan. That's a stage name.
TRUE STORY - No BS: The first time my mother heard me play a Bob Dylan record, she had a look of shock on her face. Then she explained "He sounds like when I was a little girl - on Christmas Eve the drunken elderly Hungarian men would be out at midnight singing in the snowy weather, it just all came back to me.". 😅
"Modern Music's superficiality, its obsession with IMAGE, its relentless pursuit of attention at the expense of substance". That is just exactly how I feel about the stuff that is being popularized these days. ALL SPECTACLE. NO SUBSTANCE.
While I 100% agree with your statement, there is a specific irony in you misusing capslock to grab attention to your viewpoints by the exact same means those artists leverage superficiality to achieve similar results: "Look at me!" You made me lol, to be honest. I am presenting you with a learning opportunity to leverage language intelligently to craft a real argument, rather than ass-clowning yourself (like so many people do) by misusing capitalization, misspelling constantly or using poor grammar. If you did that, perhaps people would take your thoughts a bit more seriously. Just a thought.
This approach has been around as long as recordings have been made. Have a look at the charts from the 60s and 70s, there's a lack of substance to much of it, plenty of spectacle though.
@@merlund WRONG! 🤣 I'd agree with you if the entire comment was in all caps -- however, when sharing opinions online it's perfectly appropriate for the medium to: (1) state your opinion in some detail using lower case for those who want to read every word, and if necessary, (2) add all caps for emphasis -- it's valid formatting. Most people don't pore over every single comment in detail--comments are generally skimmed, if they are viewed at all. In the above comment, they used the all caps to SUMMARIZE their point of view, which enhances communication. UA-cam comments are not formal journalism. All caps, emojis, et al. are completely appropriate here.
I actually prefer Collins version, and its the version I hear most in popular culture (Mad Men). I know the song is perhaps not meant to be so upbeat, but Mitchell needs to get off her pedestal a bit and be proud that someone did her song justice, not be jealous or resentful. I mean, lots of covers are better than the OG; Nirvana covering Man Who Sold the World, Joe Cocker Little Help from My Friends, Hendrix with All Along the Watchtower.
@@carlosidelone8064 A lot of this DID come from a 2013 interview with a sleazy CBC interviewer -- who was famous, but later fired for sexual harassment -- the interview is on UA-cam - it's almost two hours plus -- done in her home to promote a non musical project -- she comes across as gracious at first, but as this guy prods or pokes and tries to get her to be critical of people, she turned tense and terse-- She did not look well in this interview, her skin was shady and she chain smoked in a green dress sitting most unload like -- and her hair in a bun kind of thing.......She didn't smile once. She claimed her voice was gone -- forever. That was that. :I thought -- Oh my, Joni has become a bitter old woman.......and she had. Then in 2015 she had her aneurysm -- and I thought she was gone...or at the least she was gone from the world of entertainment -or an invalid. - The post aneurysm Joni is A lot more friendly and fun... and looks old and heavier, but much better and more happy than she was in that CBC interview -- Then she showed up at Newport and I just sobbed thought whole thing -- and I'm not THAT much of a fan......IT was a 'moment in time.' I will never forget.. Weirdest thing: She's started smoking at 9 and claimed that it was a part of her makeup and that she needed them to create -- let's rationalize nicotine addiction... Anyway -- after her aneurysm, she forget she had ever touched a cigarette......and she certainly didnt start again -- hopefully -- jmho
ps Notice that Dolly Parton, who wrote "I will always Love you" never had a bad thing to say about Whitney Huston's version- even though Huston never gave Dolly any credit at all. Dolly thanked her publicly (made a lot of money for her!) and left it at that. Class vs No class. But Mitchell was right about the tart Madonna.
Whitney may not have given Dolly credit but she had to ask Dolly’s permission to use her song and she had to pay her to use it too and Dolly let people know it is her song. It’s purely a matter of taste but I always liked Dolly’s version best because she put so much feeling into it while Whitney sounded like she was trying to impress others but had no feeling in it.
It's easy to say horrible and cutting things about others that are factually true. Twelve and thirteen year old's prove it every single day of the year. It does disappoints me that Ms. Mitchell is so uncharitable. I agree with some of her opinions and disagree strongly about others. I would say, however, that when your soapbox is so high that your voice rings out globally showing a little class never hurts. Dolly has indeed made a career out of talent and class. Joni's talent is unimaginable to me, and while the caustic spirit of her evaluations won't tarnish her talent, her lack of generosity when speaking of others is sad. I suspect this habit hasn't improved her life.
I loved Dylan's voice the second I heard it as a four or five year old. I didn't like Joni's voice right away. To each his own. They are both amazing songwriters and in time I came to understand just how incredible and unique Mitchell's voice is. It's a shame she isn't a little kinder when speaking of others.
This title is misleading. That she criticized 5 musicians does NOT mean that these are the 5 musicians she hated most, just that she did criticize them at some point.
i agree. maybe she had a bad day, maybe something triggered her but she's not always expressing herself that way, she's human, and there are good reasons why she's had some well functioning relationships in the course of her lifetime, she's shown many strengths.. I've heard that she has had serious chronic health condition that has personality effects, or neurological effects. I just googled it, she has something called Morgellon's Disease which is rare and causes pain under the skin. She also had a brain aneurysm in 2015 which debilitated her, both her ability to walk and talk, she was in a wheelchair, may still be, she has said she puts her efforts into healing from this and learning to function with it.
@@alukuhito Ditto here. I have always considered Dylan a phony artistically. Furthermore he was the "pied piper" of Marxist infiltration into American society. Just listen to his lyrics. Pure Marxism.
This strikes me as a low-effort piece of content. For example, why does the narrator repeat her remarks about Dylan word for word, when we've just seen footage of Mitchell saying these exact words?
Or perhaps she doesn't even dislike them. With some people if they think something, they have to say it. I'm sure this tendency has kept Ms. Mitchell's circle of friends smaller than it could have been.
Mitchel is 100% right about the Babylonic whore Madonna who opened the gates of hell with her vile marketing vulgar provocative manipulations to compensate for her lack of musical talent and integrity.
I hear that she's applying for a massive government grant to erect a small------about a mile square------monument to herself. Daily worship is both expected and required.
A lifelong smoker is complaining about other people's breath? I don't really hear hate, just a touch of competitive disdain. This is really making mountains out of molehills.
Dylan's breath has nothing to do with smoking but his personal hygiene which was the stuff of legends in the sixties. Not in a good sense. His oral hygiene was no exception. Just look at his nails with black stuff accumulated behind. Gross. I chose to focus on his performance. I can see Mitchel's point about sharing the microphone with Dylan.
@ nowhere -- come on fellows -- she sounded bitter and unhappy during the late 2000s. AND then there's there chain-smoking -- I'm trying to quit - she wasn't, saying in a previous interview that cigarettes are almost a ''part of her" - and she can' do anything without them --She seemed perplexed --What a rationalization for smoking..... Then in 2015 she had a aneurysm. I figured she's die or never be hears from again. -- and it took years and lots of ego boosters and prodding but she showed up at Newport and was honored some more - and then did some limited performing... AND - when she came to from her aneurysm -- she totally forgo she had smoked since age 9.....She even looks happier -- an elderly woman in blond pigtails, belly laughing after a song and she was like a completely different person - though she remembers a lo of how things used o be. -- Now she is free -- no expectations, no explanations -- though she LOVES telling these old hippie stories -- as long as they involve her...JMHO. thanks.
These are her opinions. She’s entitled to like or dislike them. And really who cares what Joni Mitchell thinks? I think those artist had success anyway!
I care, because those 5 persons together can win against Joni's integrity, as a person and as an ARTIST... meybe Lennon, the one who gave back the title of Lord of britain - not like pupet mc cartney- since he was protesting against the vietnam war.... ciccone, taylor + dylan are lousy posers, we finished the 2024, they are indeed, posers, successful posers... I'm with joni.
@@sweiland75 oh honey i dont care in any profound earth shaking way! Just like to see the old codgers still thinking they’re relevant!!! Peace and Love to you in 2025!
Since when has having a #1 been an indicator of someone's musical talent or even popularity? Springsteen, Amy Winehouse, Chaka Khan, Dylan, James Brown, Hendrix....just a few who never topped the charts. Would you say they weren't popular or talented?
The audacity to criticize Dylan and Judy Collins as inauthentic - and she doesn't even use her given name? She may have hated Colins' version of Both Sides Now but I'm betting she cashed every single royalty check. 😳 Mitchell is the queen of hubris.
@daveking-sandbox9263 Yes sir, Dave! 👍 You are making my point for me. Most musicians 🎶🎵 are dependent on royalties. 💲 That's why Joni should be grateful for Judy's cover - not critical because it increased her royalty check exponentially. 💲💲💲💲
Grew up listening to so many great musicians from this era, and have even met a few in person. Not gonna name drop, but the one I've spent the most time with is gracious, humble, and still happy to be playing. This individual played at Woodstock, but is self-effacing when someone mentions his legendary status. Mitchell seems to dislike people showing interest in anyone but herself.
Joni is gracious, humble, and still happy to be playing (see youtube "Joni Mitchell and the Joni Jam - Both Sides Now (2024 GRAMMYs performance)". I was at Woodstock; she couldn't make it but wrote the most beautiful song of it: "Woodstock". UA-cam: "Joni Mitchell - Woodstock (Live In-Studio 1970)". Bottom line; you're wrong about her. Sounds like a judgy incel statement. In those interviews of the video, note that nobody 'mention(ed) (her) legendary status', so you can't compare what her reaction WOULD BE with the one your old friend had.
Joni Mitchell is a genius and a musical goddess. She will never be anything else. I take her comments at 100% face value, as she seems right 100% of the time.
Al Kooper, who admires Dylan, says that Dylan is a musical primitive. But in the arts, all being a primitive means is that a person hasn't gone to school to learn how to do what he does. It also carries with it the sense that the person is working out of a tradition. Dylan, however he has done it, wrote five times the great songs Mitchell ever did.
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I agree with her that Bob Dylan is not a great guitar player and doesn't have a great singing voice. But he's written some of the best songs EVER! She's certainly right about Madonna. I don't understand her gripe with Judy Collins. She certainly got royalities from her version of "Both Sides Now".
Dylan's early guitar work is pretty good, maybe not as accomplished as his harmonica but it's more than competent -- (i'm thinking especially of his first two studio albums) -- like his singing, he's not going to win any prestigious awards for it, but they both complement his songs perfectly - he hits the right notes and has a terrific sense of rhythm -- no-one's claiming that Dylan rivals Segovia or Jimi Hendrix on the instrument, so what's her point?
If Joni so disliked Dylan, why did she tour with him in the nineties? Joni is unique. So are Dylan and Lennon. The world would be poorer without their music! Whoever put this together is trying to stir up a hornet's nest to get clicks. AI crap!
She wanted the exposure. Dylan's real victim in poor Ronee Blakely. Ronee wrote her own songs and could better than any of them, except maybe Joan Baez, yet she never had the career she deserved.
@@raymondpierotti8414 How did Bob cause that? the only thing i've heard about him with Ronee Blakely is that she was the first back up singer on Hurricane and he changed to another back up singer, i didn't know it was a controversy. i could be wrong about that, i'm just groping around in my memory. Anyway, i didn't understand what you said, victim of what?, and how does it relate to Joan Baez?
@stevenkarnisky411~~Maybe , just maybe because I'm not a rumor spreader but maybe they had something going on together that didn't work out as she planned so she bad mouthed him instead~~lol~~I couldn't tell ya cause I wasn't there~~lol~~You're so right about about the uniqueness of the other artists~~They all had something special~~Dylan was a great songwriter, to me~~My favorite artist from back in the day is and always will be Linda Ronstadt~~I'm so glad to have gone to one of her concerts~~Amazing and so beautiful~~I get teary eyed every day for what she's going through and I also pray for her~~Happy New Year to you and yours~~Stay safe~~😀~
She is spot on about Dylan though. When I heard about the Nobel price, I had to laugh bitterly. He even struggles with correct English, some of his lyrics got corrected by a singer who denied singing the original.
Joni Mitchell's stage name was actually her legal name when she was married to her first husband, Chuck Mitchell. She simply kept his last name after they divorced. That was a common practice at the time.
She seems mean. Stunningly talented but a mean streak is definitely there. That was not part of the 60's persona. Love. Peace. Accept all. Not mean words about anyone. I was there. I know.
The problem with Dylan is not Dylan, but his fan base...A few years ago a story appeared that some folks were trying to understand "Meaning" in his lyrics...hopefully they got a life. His response was 'telling, as I recollect...he had no logical pattern to his lyric-writings, and said as much when questioned. But, some of his music such as Nashville Skylines was memorable when it appeared in 1969. Thanks.
yeah, she had JUST written Coyote in a bus somewhere -- I saw a pic of her slaving over a huge piece of paper with different ink and scrawling and crossed out phrases --- dunno if it was same day...probably not -- but she was wearing the same beret and green outfits - and she sang Coyote, though she left some of the ending out -- that's what I cal being in tune with YOU "time" here -- anyway == Coyote is one of my favorite songs -- do you know who Coyote was? I thought I did, then I found out and was quite surprised.... JMHO
As a folkie teenager in the 60’s, I saw many singer-songwriters who made a name by having an established artist sing their song. Judy Collin’s put Joanie on the map and gave her a springboard to success. She should be eternally grateful
Crosby said she absolutely loved Judy Collins in her early days, that she could always be found at Judy's house. I almost think she does crap like this for the publicity.
I am sure that Joni would have had the same career as she had without Collins covering her song. You can dismiss Clouds altogether and Joni still had 50 other great songs in her back pocket. If anyone should be grateful, it would be Collins. I have nothing against Collin's, but really..........name one hit other than Clouds Collins has had.
I respect Joni more for her attitude and contempt for corporate pop music. I’ve been underwhelmed by much of her work, especially “Blue”, but she has earned her street cred for some of the heavy hitters in her repertoire. Bravo Joni.
Not interested in her limited perceptions. I couldn't care for most music but I would not slag off the artist... I don't think! They are serving their purpose for the people who 'get' them! And NOT at all a very good rendition of Lennon's voice! :D But I like her music and her Mind-Soul that creates her own music very much!
@@raymondpierotti8414 each person is the judge of how full or empty their life is. Some enjoy making a hobby of judging and psychoanalyzing others for their own entertainment.
How people like to report the negative & omit the good. She also said she liked Dylan's direct lyrics which influenced her approach, the rest is true - he swiped whole obscure melodies & even the pattern or theme. I don't like Collin's bland version, Joni even criticised her own early rendition saying it needed a voice of experience praised & went backstage to compliment a less famous old black woman for her version, She also praised Buffet St Marie's versions of her early songs who sang some when less known. John Lennon was plain rude because all he could write were simple chants except the hypocrisy of Imagine, he was not shy of criticising others. Joni doesn't like meaningless pop, she hated Material Girl which she thought reflected the eighties; Madonna has a good voice but most are little more than vacant, sexed up catchy tunes - it is commercialism personified. It is worth noting that many comments she made were when she was recovering from a brain aneurysm, she was probably not familiar with Swift but may well have been referring to playing the complications of her own life & the crap thrown at her like being called El Lay for her active sex life which never happened to men. An innovator, she changed musical genres before Bowie. If she is bitter about anything it was not being compared to male singer songwriters on merit, early females like Joni & Carol King were pioneers of great songwriting. She did not make a list of dislikes, these are all separate anecdotes from interviews & she did not retract her statements about Dylan, she even spoke about enduring his bad breath during duets. Dylan has said she did not get the recognition due to her original style & talent, he said her honesty was a part of her integrity & what made her so perceptive. I hate petty videos like this.
John Lennon was NOT working class, at all. I knew some if his friends. Mitchell has always uppity- and exclusive in approaching her and her work. I remember first hand.
They hate you if you are clever and they despise a fool, till your so F'n crazy you can't follow their rules, When they tortured and scared you for 20 pdd years they expect you to pick a career, When you can't really function you are so full of fear, a working class hero is something to be
Well, John and Paul McCartney went to grammar school in the UK, and back in those days, that was a marker of social class. If there was anyone in the Beatles who carried a working-class ethic with him, it would have had to have been Ringo.
The John Lennon thing was a weird misapprehension on her part, probably due to assuming that anyone who doesn't talk like a BBC announcer must be common. Of course, the UK has many many accents, and most Americans are only familiar with a few of them. Lennon was middle-class despite his 'unmarried mother' origin. He was an art school student who lived in relative comfort. Absolutely nothing wrong with that, but it does give some context for his experimentalism and iconoclasm.
Although I grew up in The Beatles era and always liked them as a band, I too could not stand Lennon. From the dirge that is "Imagine" to the 12 bar knockoffs he recorded to his obsesion with the slightly peculiar Yoko, he came across as being a prize pratt.
She was a musical genius back in the day but has become very bitter. A musician who worked with her partner in the 90s said she was a nightmare whenever she turned up.
@@fusionfan6883 The fact you didn't explain how you would characterize her music in any way, shape, or form clearly indicates you consider her a "genius" simply because it is the "hip" thing to do. I doubt you have ever listened to her music. I call her folk music because that is what she started out as and was the "scene" she was in back in the '60s and early '70s. Crosby, Stills, and Nash were considered folk music as well but they had tons of songs that were rock, pop, even some gospel. You get too hung up on labels. It's pretty obvious what my point was but really not obvious what yours was which is probably why no one else responded. How about explaining why you feel she is a genius? What did she do that was groundbreaking? How is she different from other female artists of the era? How is she any more genius than say, Ronstadt, Collins, or Baez? All great singers, all great artists and writers and all predate Mitchell.
@ What a rude and unpleasant person you are, there was absolutely no need for your insulting tone. I did not reply in detail because your comment as both simplistic and misguided, in other words it did not justify a detailed reply. However, in view of your rudeness, here is something a bit more meaty to educate you. Joni transcended so called folk fairly early on and moved into far more sophisticated compositions employing jazz harmony and complex rhythms. Baez was basic by comparison and in no way built a catalogue as far reaching as that of Mitchell. Many feel Joni’s masterpiece is Hejira, but I particularly loved her live Shadows and Light material, not least because the band featured some of the greatest jazz musicians of modern times. She continued to develop her songwriting in subsequent albums like Mingus. Finally, as to your non point about Baez starting before her, my response is so what? Baez may have started sooner, but that does not mean other more talented artists can’t then follow and expand the genre as Mitchell did. Despite your childish insult I do know Mitchell’s music, in fact I own pretty well everything she has done, so no I didn’t call her a genius just because it was “hip”! Next time try and be civil rather than spew out misinformed insults.
@@fusionfan6883she’s still not all that you make her to be. I give her credit for thinking out of the box in the 70s like Dylan but her foundation was always folk music
LOL !!! What about her new song: "I Want To Speak To The Manager" or "What Is Corporate's Phone Number?" or "Stop Recording Me" and the all time favorite: "Do You Know Who I Am?" !!!
Personally,I loved her early work,but face it folks, Joni likes being the center of her universe.She literally gave up her child to focus on her career.I would not like being in her orbit,her gravity would surely crush you.
You have to see in context of the times. They (musicians) were ALL like that. All somewhat self-centered and encouraged to be that way, by the media and the public. People clamored for their music and wanted to live that lifestyle. She knew she was a good lyricist and a good musician and wrote original material and she was part of the top tier. They were all competing and interacting with each other in a mostly friendly way. As for the child, she was unwed and from a small town, and in those days it was best to keep things hidden. There are some people who are compelled to become who they are, and Joni was one of them. She had to follow her path. When you're young it's easy to justify your decisions, it's as you get older that you start to question what you've done. I wish people weren't so judgemental about her personal life, it doesn't make her music less relevant. I think she was the best lyricist out there. Dylan was good but a little more abstract in style, but poetic nevertheless.
@@Ron-c6i Then so is Jagger, Dylan, Lennon, Prince, Richards, Harrison, Mercury, etc, etc. Not uncommon for well established, respected artists to be critical, outspoken, and honest and it's not equivalent to narcissism.
Dylan stole everything though. And at times blatantly stole. As a musician myself I understand the clear distinction between reflections of my infuences coming through in my music and sitting down and outright stealing from others purposefully. If you don't understand the clear difference, you shouldn't talk about what you don't properly understand. Go and listen to Paul Clayton's Who's Gonna Buy You Ribbons (When I'm Gone) and then listen to Dylan's Don't Think Twice it's Alright and tell me if you've ever heard a song so blatantly directly stolen in your life. His image was fake from the start and it still is, these days he's posing as a Wild West poker shark or something.
@@Justa_Bloke I've looked at Paul Clayton's song. There are different opinions about it, there was a lawsuit by Clayton i think, there were court actions. in all news reporting on it, a clear point was made that Bob and Paul remained friends and the lawyers handled everything , and the court ruled that Bob used the pre-existing lyrics legally. Without refreshing my memory by googling it now, i'll say that i think the court saw that "who's gonna buy you ribbons when i'm gone" (paul's song) was based on public domain lyrics, "who's gonna buy you chickens when i'm gone," Paul didn't have a legal claim to originality. I don't know what the court said but to me, my opinion, is that if you compare Bob's song to Paul's, Bob has created a very original song, while Paul's song is resting heavily on the traditional song lyrics. I just see this as Bob Dylan's gift, he writes songs with originality that's beyond compare, he's famous for this and widely respected for it. There's no comparison between the 4 verses of Don't Think Twice it's all Right and Who's Gonna Buy You Ribbons When I'm Gone. If you think the two songs are comparable in originality and other qualities, i'm interested in hearing about it, but i followed the court case at the time and it wasn't that hard to come to the decision that won the case. i don't know what you mean by wild west poker. ??
@@jaw444 I honestly dont know of anyone one who has written more music that BD ? ( my 2001 song book has 784 pages of sheet music and lyrics !!!! and it doesn't even have any of his last 5 or 6 albums (Dylans voice IS disappointing live... but GREAT on his recordings ( rich and resonant.. and " well lived in"... and ON PITCH (which one could never accuse Madonna of ) when my students used to say " I Hate Picasso"... I'd reply... "which of his 250,000 Drawings or 7000 Paintings don't you like ?" I rate that as a painting every 3 days for 70 years +) I'd guess Bob is penning something as I write this ? EGOS (every grain of sand ) "lots of people suffering tonight.. from the disease of conceit" TRUTH !
With respect to Dylan, Joni may have been referring to something that few know about, but matches her critique of him. She said he couldn't sing or play the guitar verry well. He wasn't a talented musician or an authentic person.....................Some of you may know the story about Dylan. He hung around in Greenwich Village, where all young people aspiring to 'make it' hung out at the time. Everyone that knew Dylan said he had no talent at all, couldn't sing, write or play the guitar worth listening to. They had the same view of Dylan that Joni had, not favorable. Then Dylan disappeared from the scene, nobody knew where he went, but he was gone, just like that. One year later he returned, but something had changed. Those that knew him best said they couldn't believe it. He was completely different musically, as if a miracle had taken place. They were all lost to understand how he became so good in just one year. One of the guys said nobody could improve that much in only a year, and yet he did just that. But how? Dylan himself told the story, he explained what happened. It's not a nice story, in fact I won't listen to anything he was associated with after I heard his story. The bottom line is that he made an agreement, the kind of thing we hear many others talk about and/or admit to having done these days. He made a deal with the devil. Although it sounds fictional and ridiculous, it's very real. The deal goes like this; a meeting takes place, the aspiring star is told to show up at a particular place at a given time. I don't know who represents the devil at the meeting. A document/contract is presented and is read by the 'applicant'. A trade-off is proposed, and either accepted or rejected. It has to be signed, like any other official contract. The trade is a guarantee for the artist, to be provided with the best of gigs in the best of places, as much work as he wants and for an indefinite period. The artist is also guaranteed fame and fortune, all anyone could ask for and whatever vice the person may have, be it women, drugs, or anything other, will be in provided and in plentiful supply for the artist. For these things the artist has to sign the contract, which includes a promise to devote himself to the devil, and a vow to denounce Jesus Christ. There might be more to this, I may have some details wrong, but this is the gist of the agreement. I've seen many of the 'stars' of today admit and describe the same thing that Dylan signed up for. it's hard to imagine that anyone would accept that which will cost the soul of the artist.
@@deathmetaldouglas69 For those who might be unfamiliar with Baez's work: Pull up this song on YT: "Joan Baez - Diamonds and Rust (With Lyrics)" What'd this "death metal" guy say about musical genius again? This song of hers is just the tip of the iceberg. I haven't heard anything from Joni that comes close.
John Lennon was not working class. Look at the house he was brought up in - Mendips. Also he went to art college didn't to an apprenticeship as a plumber. FFS before you insult someoneget your facts right. Love or hate John Lennon he was very, very sharp and was the driving force behind the Beatles.
Yeah, but everybody talked about Lennon like he was a saint, when he wasn't. He was very pretentious and a mean-spirited person, especially towards his family.
@@JamesGale1 You're probably either too young or too old, but for a lot of us, we grew up with this image of him being such an awesome guy, such a rebel for the right things. He was the peace protestor. He wrote Imagine.
@@alukuhito Born 7 years after Lennon was born. Does that make me too old or too young? No-one I know/knew thought of Lennon as a saint! Definitely a human, with a mix of good points and not such good ones. Talented in several different ways, including as a lyricist and composer. Vanishingly few saints around. I'm pretty sure Lennon would have found the notion of HIS sainthood totally ridiculous!
Between 1966-1971, Joni Mitchell was a singular brilliant unmatched musical icon. She _changed_ the sound of folk guitar, and folk songs- forever. Her physical beauty was astounding. She was never a commercial "product", like the Beach Boys. It was as if she had landed from another planet, compared to the stuff pouring out of AM commercial radio.
I think Joni Mitchel is in a class of Aretha Franklin with there been there, done that, now try to impress me type attitudes. Both are very talented people that don't have the need to hold back. Joni is the master in writing songs and Aretha was a master in singing songs, two very distinguished artist that were in the same industry for it seems like their lifetime and many of our lifetimes. Aretha Franklin "Someone else's eyes," is unforgettable and a lesson in itself and Joni Mitchel's insightful story telling follows her all thru her long career. We are lucky to have been around to experience it.
what a superb way to put it. My mom always told me to be careful about trying to look better by downgrading others. Tried to follow that, too bad Joni did not. Talented, yes, but an out of control ego, probably should have kept all this to herself. Wonder how she would critique her voice vs David Crosby's, before he ruined his with drugs, age? If honest, she would say, "way short". Gene Clark, too, for that matter. But then, she and BD are really songwriters first, performers second. She seems to have forgotten that truth.
I found it ironic that she says Dylan is a plagiarist and a fake. Yet she says it was through him that she learned she could write about anything. When I first heard Dylan it was unlike anything I had heard before. All artists are to some extent plagiarists, but it is not what you borrow it is how you use it in a new way and Dylan certainly did that and she learned from that. I love the work of Joni Mitchel and listen to her more than I listen to Dylan these days but Dylan is the more important artist.
Her comment about realising she could get away with singing about anything from Dylan was clearly a back-handed compliment. She was really saying that he could write songs about any old gibberish which had very little substance at times. Go and listen (and listen properly) to Who's Gonna Buy You Ribbons (When I'm Gone) by Paul Clayton and then listen to Dylan's Don't Think Twice it's Alright. The nerve to steal a song so blatantly is actually shocking to me.
@@Justa_Bloke Actuallt, her comment that hearing Positively Fourth Street made her realize that she could write about anything is a complete slur and insult.
I've known a lot of people like her, most of them arrogant women. I've stayed away from them, and my life is better for that. But they're still stuck with themselves.
@@Justa_Bloke what do you mean by "can't deal with?" It sounds like if someone expresses an opinion at odds with yours, you call that "they can't deal with what i believe." Can you "deal with" what they think? what does it mean to deal with? i think it means whether you can or can't tolerate respectfully listening to a belief that's different from yours. it's just sport, it's internet play, social media, people exchanging opinions. it seems healthy to me, compared to holding what you believe inside with no chance to express it.
No she's pretty nasty sometimes, especially since she got older and there's a lot of "get off my lawn" to it as well. I'd be the first person to tell you how talented she is though but being humble was never one of her strengths. I can't think of any songwriter who has more well written songs than Dylan and Working Class Hero is one fantastic song and John's work with the Beatles speaks for itself. Madonna doesn't really do much for me talent wise but being nasty to someone who covered your song and brought it some well known attention is a bit silly and it's not a bad cover at all.
While living in Laurel Joni was ridden by everyone Jackson Browne Buffalo Springfield , Crosby Nash & Young, she was known as the Laurel Canyon mattress cover.
I do not think bob dylan would have felt any remorse over her comments, Lennon would have laughed and sent her his love, or felt compassion for one who was taking themselves too seriously. Her music is iconic, I do not care what she thinks about my other musical heroes. She should be thanking God for having their association.
One never seems to mention that Joni's first artistic efforts were as a painter before her music growing up. Since she has probably spent as much time painting as songwriting. She gets no credit for this duo effort. There is no doubt she could have been successful as a painter.
This is why I like Leonard Cohen. I've read many of his poems. They are, without a doubt, from the deep mind of a poet. The music allows the poems to I have a life of their own.
As a singer who collabarates with other artists, this criticism of others performers art , music and even more personal information like breath is not very classy. Everyone is unique and that what makes music interesting.
Judy Mitchel my friends and my husband saw her in person, on a veryrainy night n Georgia.. I bought a plastic drop cloth. She is a beautiful woman with a beautiful soul and voice. ☮️ 🙏🏼 💙
This kind of crap where a spammer blows up a 2 minute story into 11 minutes of redundant Bull Plop has got to stop.
Thank you for saving me from watching more than three seconds of this mindless crap.
It won't, because UA-cam's algorithm encourages it. The longer people stare at this garbage, the more ad revenue they can generate. Thank you for sparing me eleven minutes of tedium.
It won't as long as people like 'jasholden' click on the links.
thanks.I'm leaving now.....
Well, her rendition of John Lennon is quite entertaining 7:03
So you don't have to watch the crappy video....
1) Bob Dylan
2) Judy Collins
3) John Lennon
4) Madonna
5) Taylor Swift
It isn't so much hatred as slight criticisms.
As for the bad breath, she's talking about Dylan
And as my Grandpa used to say, "A skunk always
smells it's own hole first."
thank you.
THANK YOU!
You performed an invaluable service to humanity, thank you for saving 11 minutes of precious life for the multitude!
Thank you for saving me time.
I prefer Judy Collins version of Both Sides Now. I found Joni's studio version of the song so dull. It was Judy's version that made Joni successful so her hating on it is hilarious especially since she herself was obviously inspired by Judy's singing on it.
3:40 "I hated sharing a microphone with him because he had rotten breath." Being a chain-smoker for the past 70 or so years, I'd venture to say Joni's breath isn't like spring flowers.
Rotflmfao! Thank you I really needed that laugh! I couldn't breathe I was laughing so hard !
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
LOL. It certainly hasn't done anything for her voice!
Does that make Bob's breath better.
@serioustoday Damn it, that's the second time I've busted a gut laughing , pertaining to this subject!
One could say that Joni Mitchell was emulating Judy Collins in her early folk recordings. No musician is completely original. They don’t exist in a vacuum.
They certainly don't. It was the lead single from Judy Collins' sixth studio album Wildflowers (1967), "Both Sides, Now" - written by Joni Mitchell - that gave her international prominence. Perhaps it's the other way around.
Her first studio album, Song to a Seagull, doesn't sound like folk. Or Judy Collins, or anybody else. It's already unmistakably Joni.
Early in her career, Judy Collins mostly recorded songs by other artists. Joni almost always wrote and recorded her own material and rarely other people's songs; "Twisted" (1952, lyrics by Annie Ross from Hendricks, Lambert and Ross) was a rare one she did as the finale for her album "Court and Spark".
Uh... try the other way around. Joni evolved. Judy didn't.
“Musician” is NOT a synonym for “pop singer”. Nine-tenths of the people being called “musicians” here can’t even read music.
For anyone confused about the Swift comments from 9:20 onwards, there once was talk about doing a Joni Mitchell biopic (that never materialised), in the early 2010s, I think it was, and Taylor Swift was considered to play Joni. That's what Mitchell is commenting on here.
I'm glad she was able to stop that nonsense, Hollywood needs to back off and give it a rest. She deserves a very well done documentary about her genius, not a biopic where the main character is the new celebrity the industry wants to push into the scene. Joni is bigger than that.
@@BrownEyedGirl. Exactly.
She's suddenly an actress now? Good lord.
@@Mess2012Z If you're speaking of Ms Swift, she's already been in at least one film (Amsterdam); she's on for about three minutes at the beginning and then gets run over by a bus. Kind of an analogy of her acting career…
yeah - heard her talking about that on camera -- she was telling this story and saying all they would have would be a blond girl with high cheekbones -- they have NO story" -- though I sense that would not stop them from trying. Then, as if for emphasis, she stubbed her cig out hard into the ashtray and said:
"Thank GOD I killed that thing. -- I'm glad too -- lol
This is the world we live in today. Not researched documentaries made with love. But robotically produced AI docs.
And all the ones that are total pure lies. I confess those bother me. Like-- what are they aiming at-- that Meghan Markle should be put in prison for some invisible mysterious reason that no one puts into words? I hate it. Soon they'll being throwing away the key to Camilla's cell for also: what reason? And that actress with blonde hair and thin lips. I don't think they'll succeed with the actor /Trump critics tho.
I'm leaving this whatever-it-is.
Yeah the same A.I. voices.
@ronj9448 The AI voiced docs are annoying me.
@@karensimons5387 Good on you for noticing.
On all these channels we should give a thumb's down & DEFINITELY do not subscribe.
$$ is the only deterrent, or lack there of.
Jesus Christ, get the F on with it. These ridiculous, long-winded AI created scripts are ruining this genre.
I refuse to watch anymore crap that is narrated by a robot voice.
you can click the X at top left of the window anytime. there's nothing new here just watch those two long form interviews that were on CBC .
Don't blame Jesus. He had nothing to do with it. ;o) And I agree with your point. Like!
@@dalewoodring5887 Should we blame Jesus for the slaughters called The Crusades?
@@terri6854 Yes, they are! Hate these fake narrators!
Joni Mitchell did not "adopt a stage name." Mitchell is her ex-husband's surname. Shows how much research went into this video.
Her real name is Roberta not Joni.
@@DuncanIdahogo Her real name is Roberta Joan, so she's someone who goes by her middle name. Bob changed his surname from Zimmerman to Dylan. That's a stage name.
hehehe! That happens to be true, he was a musician as well, they were a duo for a short time.
She smokes?
@@kingofallwhites She ruined her health by smoking
TRUE STORY - No BS: The first time my mother heard me play a Bob Dylan record, she had a look of shock on her face. Then she explained "He sounds like when I was a little girl - on Christmas Eve the drunken elderly Hungarian men would be out at midnight singing in the snowy weather, it just all came back to me.". 😅
can not STAND his effected / false voice
Funny thing was, he could do a nice, very pleasant voice early on.
Dylan does have Ukrainian roots so the Hungarian similarity is there.
This was a waste of time.
wow! like a rolling stone is the worst song ever! just listen or read the lyrics. horrid!
As David Crosby once said, "Joni Mitchell is as humble as Mussolini."
And Crosby was as humble as Stalin.
@johnhatchel9681 very true.
@@GuyCabliaro always putting down woman if there strong!
and resembles a horse.
I say that whenever she comes up -- haha == and I do credit David Crosby -- and he was RIGHT!!!
"Modern Music's superficiality, its obsession with IMAGE, its relentless pursuit of attention at the expense of substance". That is just exactly how I feel about the stuff that is being popularized these days. ALL SPECTACLE. NO SUBSTANCE.
While I 100% agree with your statement, there is a specific irony in you misusing capslock to grab attention to your viewpoints by the exact same means those artists leverage superficiality to achieve similar results: "Look at me!" You made me lol, to be honest. I am presenting you with a learning opportunity to leverage language intelligently to craft a real argument, rather than ass-clowning yourself (like so many people do) by misusing capitalization, misspelling constantly or using poor grammar. If you did that, perhaps people would take your thoughts a bit more seriously. Just a thought.
This approach has been around as long as recordings have been made. Have a look at the charts from the 60s and 70s, there's a lack of substance to much of it, plenty of spectacle though.
@@merlund where can I buy ur books master,, are they available in Amazon? What lvy League college do u teach at?
@@merlund WRONG! 🤣 I'd agree with you if the entire comment was in all caps -- however, when sharing opinions online it's perfectly appropriate for the medium to: (1) state your opinion in some detail using lower case for those who want to read every word, and if necessary, (2) add all caps for emphasis -- it's valid formatting. Most people don't pore over every single comment in detail--comments are generally skimmed, if they are viewed at all. In the above comment, they used the all caps to SUMMARIZE their point of view, which enhances communication. UA-cam comments are not formal journalism. All caps, emojis, et al. are completely appropriate here.
Agree with her 100% on this.
Nothing against Joni Mitchell, but I'm very glad Judy Collins doesn't care what her opinion is.
It's Joni not Joanie, but I'm very glad I don't care about your opinion either.
Why would any of then care what a bitter old has-been thinks? They have successful careers of heir own.
Judy Collins got paid to stand there to sing a song someone else wrote.. typical of like 90% of the industry.
@@thirlestanelodge2 That's an ignorant comment. You apparently have no idea who Joni Mitchell is. She is hardly a bitter old has-been.
I actually prefer Collins version, and its the version I hear most in popular culture (Mad Men). I know the song is perhaps not meant to be so upbeat, but Mitchell needs to get off her pedestal a bit and be proud that someone did her song justice, not be jealous or resentful. I mean, lots of covers are better than the OG; Nirvana covering Man Who Sold the World, Joe Cocker Little Help from My Friends, Hendrix with All Along the Watchtower.
She didnt hate these people, just had critiques of them. The title is just click bait
Exactly.
Ask the British guy he’ll tell you that Joni hates their guts!
It seems, that she ws rather up in years, when she made these remarks. Just an old lady griping about things, that had annoyed her in her prime.
@@carlosidelone8064 A lot of this DID come from a 2013 interview with a sleazy CBC interviewer -- who was famous, but later fired for sexual harassment -- the interview is on UA-cam - it's almost two hours plus -- done in her home to promote a non musical project -- she comes across as gracious at first, but as this guy prods or pokes and tries to get her to be critical of people, she turned tense and terse-- She did not look well in this interview, her skin was shady and she chain smoked in a green dress sitting most unload like -- and her hair in a bun kind of thing.......She didn't smile once. She claimed her voice was gone -- forever. That was that. :I thought -- Oh my, Joni has become a bitter old woman.......and she had.
Then in 2015 she had her aneurysm -- and I thought she was gone...or at the least she was gone from the world of entertainment -or an invalid. -
The post aneurysm Joni is A lot more friendly and fun... and looks old and heavier, but much better and more happy than she was in that CBC interview -- Then she showed up at Newport and I just sobbed thought whole thing -- and I'm not THAT much of a fan......IT was a 'moment in time.' I will never forget..
Weirdest thing: She's started smoking at 9 and claimed that it was a part of her makeup and that she needed them to create -- let's rationalize nicotine addiction... Anyway -- after her aneurysm, she forget she had ever touched a cigarette......and she certainly didnt start again -- hopefully -- jmho
Methinks you need to relisten.
ps Notice that Dolly Parton, who wrote "I will always Love you" never had a bad thing to say about Whitney Huston's version- even though Huston never gave Dolly any credit at all. Dolly thanked her publicly (made a lot of money for her!) and left it at that. Class vs No class. But Mitchell was right about the tart Madonna.
But Whitney was an amazing talent.
What an irrelevant comment.
Whitney may not have given Dolly credit but she had to ask Dolly’s permission to use her song and she had to pay her to use it too and Dolly let people know it is her song.
It’s purely a matter of taste but I always liked Dolly’s version best because she put so much feeling into it while Whitney sounded like she was trying to impress others but had no feeling in it.
@@beyondether4641 She was, too bad ole Whit couldn't get sober
It's easy to say horrible and cutting things about others that are factually true. Twelve and thirteen year old's prove it every single day of the year. It does disappoints me that Ms. Mitchell is so uncharitable. I agree with some of her opinions and disagree strongly about others. I would say, however, that when your soapbox is so high that your voice rings out globally showing a little class never hurts. Dolly has indeed made a career out of talent and class. Joni's talent is unimaginable to me, and while the caustic spirit of her evaluations won't tarnish her talent, her lack of generosity when speaking of others is sad. I suspect this habit hasn't improved her life.
She is one of the 5 musicians I hate most.
If people look to Dylan for guitar playing and vocals they're missing the point nor has Dylan ever claimed to be a great vocalist and player.
Agreed.
truth
I loved Dylan's voice the second I heard it as a four or five year old. I didn't like Joni's voice right away. To each his own. They are both amazing songwriters and in time I came to understand just how incredible and unique Mitchell's voice is. It's a shame she isn't a little kinder when speaking of others.
This title is misleading. That she criticized 5 musicians does NOT mean that these are the 5 musicians she hated most, just that she did criticize them at some point.
Exactly. This is a fake 'AI' channel.
i agree. maybe she had a bad day, maybe something triggered her but she's not always expressing herself that way, she's human, and there are good reasons why she's had some well functioning relationships in the course of her lifetime, she's shown many strengths.. I've heard that she has had serious chronic health condition that has personality effects, or neurological effects. I just googled it, she has something called Morgellon's Disease which is rare and causes pain under the skin. She also had a brain aneurysm in 2015 which debilitated her, both her ability to walk and talk, she was in a wheelchair, may still be, she has said she puts her efforts into healing from this and learning to function with it.
I agree with Mitchell on Madonna.
And Dylan too.
@@alukuhito Ditto here. I have always considered Dylan a phony artistically. Furthermore he was the "pied piper" of Marxist infiltration into American society. Just listen to his lyrics. Pure Marxism.
@@alukuhito and Santa Claus
@@alukuhitoNo, not Dylan.
@@jerryrichardson2799 Yes, she was accurate in her assessment of Bob Dylan. If anyone would know, it would be her.
Judy did a beautiful job on Both Sides Now.
"Help Me" hypnotizes me every time I hear it. The musical and vocal arrangement, harmonies, accents, melody..... absolutely everything. Masterpeice
This strikes me as a low-effort piece of content. For example, why does the narrator repeat her remarks about Dylan word for word, when we've just seen footage of Mitchell saying these exact words?
Because thw narrator is AI dumbass. Obviously
It does seem they put a lot of effort into spinning a narrative.
make the video longer for more possible ads
Why waste 5 minutes of people's time when you can bloviate and waste 11 minutes?
Because this garbage is nothing but click bait . Just give a thumbs down .
Hate is such a strong word. Perhaps she just dislikes them.
That really doesn’t make someone look like a heart felt kind person.
No, I think we are supposed to believe she a purest the purest critique of 60s super talent x Swift. Anybody can do that shit
different strokes for different folks
Or perhaps she doesn't even dislike them. With some people if they think something, they have to say it. I'm sure this tendency has kept Ms. Mitchell's circle of friends smaller than it could have been.
Well at least her commentary on Madonna is dead on.
It truly is. Concise and perfectly stated.
lol. I can imagine dylans breath was probably less than good.
I'll take Madonna over Mitchell ANY day. And I'm a huge fan of folk music.
@@Larry-z2g I have a lot of respect for mitchell as a musician, but only a few songs really grabbed me.
Mitchel is 100% right about the Babylonic whore Madonna who opened the gates of hell with her vile marketing vulgar provocative manipulations to compensate for her lack of musical talent and integrity.
81 year old heavy smokers usually don't smell too good either
she is just very bitter for reality and loves what she sees in the mirror.
@@danielueblacker9118 I don't think she likes what she is seeing in the mirror nowdays
Interestingly, Dylan almost always offers a good word for fellow artists and it is extremely rare that he offers harsh criticism, even if deserved.
Dylan treated Joan Baez like shit and doesn't have a reputation for being nice. And I'm a fan of his music, btw.
Dylan hasn't done anything important in decades except be a complete jackass... His stinking feted breath is the least of his problems...
@@MarielleilonaLinthorst He did have the grace to admit it and apologise for his behaviour towards her.
Well it’s blatantly obvious, Joni Mitchell LOVVVVES Joni Mitchell.
So do we.
She never speaks about God.
I hear that she's applying for a massive government grant to erect a small------about a mile square------monument to herself. Daily worship is both expected and required.
@SPINNINGMYWHEELS777 why should she
Meh.
A lifelong smoker is complaining about other people's breath? I don't really hear hate, just a touch of competitive disdain. This is really making mountains out of molehills.
Bob probably had a premonition about Joni and stuffed a clove of garlic in his cheek before their duet!
Dylan's breath has nothing to do with smoking but his personal hygiene which was the stuff of legends in the sixties. Not in a good sense. His oral hygiene was no exception. Just look at his nails with black stuff accumulated behind. Gross. I chose to focus on his performance. I can see Mitchel's point about sharing the microphone with Dylan.
@@danutahanyga4834 I was referring to Joni's smoker breath. Who knows what Dylan's breath smelled like?
@@danutahanyga4834 Your're missing the point
I came here to pretty much say the same thing 😂
Bitterness is an ugly thing.
Projecting ugliness onto others out of spite is also an ugly thing.
@@Justa_Bloke Defending the bitter can be an ugly thing. See where this is going?
So is joni
@ nowhere -- come on fellows -- she sounded bitter and unhappy during the late 2000s. AND then there's there chain-smoking -- I'm trying to quit - she wasn't, saying in a previous interview that cigarettes are almost a ''part of her" - and she can' do anything without them --She seemed perplexed --What a rationalization for smoking.....
Then in 2015 she had a aneurysm. I figured she's die or never be hears from again. -- and it took years and lots of ego boosters and prodding but she showed up at Newport and was honored some more - and then did some limited performing...
AND - when she came to from her aneurysm -- she totally forgo she had smoked since age 9.....She even looks happier -- an elderly woman in blond pigtails, belly laughing after a song and she was like a completely different person - though she remembers a lo of how things used o be. -- Now she is free -- no expectations, no explanations -- though she LOVES telling these old hippie stories -- as long as they involve her...JMHO. thanks.
Her truth includes dumping a kid because she couldn't be arsed looking after it but,hey,we all love her songs.
No we don't ;-)
I'm not watching a robot talk about Joni Mitchell.
Thank you for your comment
It seems you are
@@MaryBywaters👍
These are her opinions. She’s entitled to like or dislike them. And really who cares what Joni Mitchell thinks? I think those artist had success anyway!
You seem to care since you watched the video.
I care, because those 5 persons together can win against Joni's integrity, as a person and as an ARTIST... meybe Lennon, the one who gave back the title of Lord of britain - not like pupet mc cartney- since he was protesting against the vietnam war.... ciccone, taylor + dylan are lousy posers, we finished the 2024, they are indeed, posers, successful posers... I'm with joni.
@@sweiland75 oh honey i dont care in any profound earth shaking way! Just like to see the old codgers still thinking they’re relevant!!! Peace and Love to you in 2025!
I care what she thinks and I happen to know that she's speaking a lot of sense to be honest. She's spot on about Dylan anyway.
And she never said they didn't, knowing that would not be true.
Since when has having a #1 been an indicator of someone's musical talent or even popularity? Springsteen, Amy Winehouse, Chaka Khan, Dylan, James Brown, Hendrix....just a few who never topped the charts. Would you say they weren't popular or talented?
Springsteen is probably the best songwriter that ever was!
@@stianmathisen4284Horsepiss!
@@stianmathisen4284 Nope.
@@wayneelliott7011 Oh.. yeah!!!
@@stianmathisen4284Nope
I didn't hear her say she hated any of them.
This is a fake 'AI' channel.
@@cjay2 What are we to do when reality is being rewritten all the time now?
you didnt hear her SAY anything -- the entire thing was narrated by AI - I hate this shit.
@ ignore it.
Mitchell had her idiosyncrasies, mostly in style, but she was intellectually honest and a musical genius.
She is so incredibly talented in both music and art that I would expect her to have quirks.
That is the polite way of saying she could be an asshole and a troll.
Difference between having quirks and being an asshole.
The audacity to criticize Dylan and Judy Collins as inauthentic - and she doesn't even use her given name?
She may have hated Colins' version of Both Sides Now but I'm betting she cashed every single royalty check. 😳
Mitchell is the queen of hubris.
Mitchell cashed every single royalty check? It seems you aren't a musician. Royalties are how we get paid. Do you work for free?
@daveking-sandbox9263
Yes sir, Dave! 👍
You are making my point for me.
Most musicians 🎶🎵 are
dependent on royalties. 💲
That's why Joni should be grateful for Judy's cover - not critical because it increased her royalty check exponentially. 💲💲💲💲
She uses her middle name and her married name. You're as dumb as whoever wrote this.
Just arrogant and full of herself.
Grew up listening to so many great musicians from this era, and have even met a few in person. Not gonna name drop, but the one I've spent the most time with is gracious, humble, and still happy to be playing. This individual played at Woodstock, but is self-effacing when someone mentions his legendary status. Mitchell seems to dislike people showing interest in anyone but herself.
It's nice to hear someone besides myself saying that Joni Mitchell is an egotistical old hag.
That's my impression. Doesnt like many. David Crosby, who helped her a lot, said this about her.
She does appear to be very self-obsessed.
Joni is gracious, humble, and still happy to be playing (see youtube "Joni Mitchell and the Joni Jam - Both Sides Now (2024 GRAMMYs performance)".
I was at Woodstock; she couldn't make it but wrote the most beautiful song of it: "Woodstock". UA-cam: "Joni Mitchell - Woodstock (Live In-Studio 1970)". Bottom line; you're wrong about her. Sounds like a judgy incel statement. In those interviews of the video, note that nobody 'mention(ed) (her) legendary status', so you can't compare what her reaction WOULD BE with the one your old friend had.
I'm sure John Sebastian likes you too.
Joni Mitchell is a genius and a musical goddess. She will never be anything else. I take her comments at 100% face value, as she seems right 100% of the time.
Al Kooper, who admires Dylan, says that Dylan is a musical primitive. But in the arts, all being a primitive means is that a person hasn't gone to school to learn how to do what he does. It also carries with it the sense that the person is working out of a tradition. Dylan, however he has done it, wrote five times the great songs Mitchell ever did.
I agree with her that Bob Dylan is not a great guitar player and doesn't have a great singing voice. But he's written some of the best songs EVER! She's certainly right about Madonna. I don't understand her gripe with Judy Collins. She certainly got royalities from her version of "Both Sides Now".
She's 100% spot on about Dylan. He's stolen much more than you're probably aware of.
Dylan's early guitar work is pretty good, maybe not as accomplished as his harmonica but it's more than competent -- (i'm thinking especially of his first two studio albums) -- like his singing, he's not going to win any prestigious awards for it, but they both complement his songs perfectly - he hits the right notes and has a terrific sense of rhythm -- no-one's claiming that Dylan rivals Segovia or Jimi Hendrix on the instrument, so what's her point?
@@Justa_Bloke - he got the Nobel prize for literature, not for music :)
my take is that she's too old now to remember or care for the times when she was actually relevant
@@utzuckz He has never produced anything that approaches literature, the Nobel likes to make unusual awards.
What BS...She didn't create a stage name. She kept her first husbands name.
Roberta Joan became Joni
The name Joni Mitchell is spelled BS You're right about her attitude.
Her criticism of Dylan's stage name is just an oblique way of pointing out that he's Jewish
It is still a made up name
@@raymondpierotti8414 Yeah yeah. She is/was still in another league.
This says more about Mitchell than anyone else.
Gods on the Pantheon keep on bickering … nothing new in the world! And thankfully so, we don’t want to turn into single minded robots.
I'd like to hear her take on Cher. FOR YEARS I've been saying Cher and Madonna made millions off of people's bad taste in music.
Joni has a Sonny take on Cher.
I hope when she said "He had rotten breath" that she wasn't talking about me.
If Joni so disliked Dylan, why did she tour with him in the nineties?
Joni is unique. So are Dylan and Lennon. The world would be poorer without their music!
Whoever put this together is trying to stir up a hornet's nest to get clicks. AI crap!
NO - we could cope quite easily without her silly voice.
She wanted the exposure. Dylan's real victim in poor Ronee Blakely. Ronee wrote her own songs and could better than any of them, except maybe Joan Baez, yet she never had the career she deserved.
@@raymondpierotti8414 How did Bob cause that? the only thing i've heard about him with Ronee Blakely is that she was the first back up singer on Hurricane and he changed to another back up singer, i didn't know it was a controversy. i could be wrong about that, i'm just groping around in my memory. Anyway, i didn't understand what you said, victim of what?, and how does it relate to Joan Baez?
@stevenkarnisky411~~Maybe , just maybe because I'm not a rumor spreader but maybe they had something going on together that didn't work out as she planned so she bad mouthed him instead~~lol~~I couldn't tell ya cause I wasn't there~~lol~~You're so right about about the uniqueness of the other artists~~They all had something special~~Dylan was a great songwriter, to me~~My favorite artist from back in the day is and always will be Linda Ronstadt~~I'm so glad to have gone to one of her concerts~~Amazing and so beautiful~~I get teary eyed every day for what she's going through and I also pray for her~~Happy New Year to you and yours~~Stay safe~~😀~
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Being nice is a human virtue. Joni should try it. It´s free of charge. Some people´s "honesty" is nothing more than pure BS.
She is spot on about Dylan though. When I heard about the Nobel price, I had to laugh bitterly. He even struggles with correct English, some of his lyrics got corrected by a singer who denied singing the original.
She shouldn't even waste her time regarding Madonna. Madonna is like junk food, tasting sweet but empty of any nutrition.
Always thought Madonna's voice had high pitched mouse like tones to it her and staged shows were raunchy and distasteful.
Nuttin sweet about madronna
Just nastiness
@@beyondether4641 ok mom and dad..😇
Retune your hearing aid.
"Rotten Breath" is the wind beneath Joni's wings.
Joni Mitchell's stage name was actually her legal name when she was married to her first husband, Chuck Mitchell. She simply kept his last name after they divorced. That was a common practice at the time.
If you're involved in music and you don't at least have some respect for what Dylan did, then you have issues....
He's got character! And he is a great storyteller in his songs being delivered!
She seems mean. Stunningly talented but a mean streak is definitely there. That was not part of the 60's persona. Love. Peace. Accept all. Not mean words about anyone. I was there. I know.
The problem with Dylan is not Dylan, but his fan base...A few years ago a story appeared that some folks were trying to understand "Meaning" in his lyrics...hopefully they got a life. His response was 'telling, as I recollect...he had no logical pattern to his lyric-writings, and said as much when questioned. But, some of his music such as Nashville Skylines was memorable when it appeared in 1969. Thanks.
@@deborahbeswick1396 stop with the 60s love,peace nonsense routine..that was fiction created by the media..
The picture of Joni with Dylan and Roger McGuinn was taken at Gordon Lightfoot's house in Toronto.
yeah, she had JUST written Coyote in a bus somewhere -- I saw a pic of her slaving over a huge piece of paper with different ink and scrawling and crossed out phrases --- dunno if it was same day...probably not -- but she was wearing the same beret and green outfits - and she sang Coyote, though she left some of the ending out -- that's what I cal being in tune with YOU "time" here -- anyway == Coyote is one of my favorite songs -- do you know who Coyote was? I thought I did, then I found out and was quite surprised.... JMHO
As a folkie teenager in the 60’s, I saw many singer-songwriters who made a name by having an established artist sing their song. Judy Collin’s put Joanie on the map and gave her a springboard to success. She should be eternally grateful
Crosby said she absolutely loved Judy Collins in her early days, that she could always be found at Judy's house. I almost think she does crap like this for the publicity.
Talent will always find a way.
Collins wasn't that important.
I am sure that Joni would have had the same career as she had without Collins covering her song. You can dismiss Clouds altogether and Joni still had 50 other great songs in her back pocket. If anyone should be grateful, it would be Collins. I have nothing against Collin's, but really..........name one hit other than Clouds Collins has had.
@@FrankHeuvelman Spot on!
@@larryscott7984 Send In The Clowns, which is a pretty damn good version of Sondheim's song.
Rude, unintelligent comments
The five: Bob Dylan, Judy Collins, John Lennon, Madonna, Taylor Swift.
I respect Joni more for her attitude and contempt for corporate pop music. I’ve been underwhelmed by much of her work, especially “Blue”, but she has earned her street cred for some of the heavy hitters in her repertoire. Bravo Joni.
Not interested in her limited perceptions. I couldn't care for most music but I would not slag off the artist... I don't think! They are serving their purpose for the people who 'get' them!
And NOT at all a very good rendition of Lennon's voice! :D
But I like her music and her Mind-Soul that creates her own music very much!
Joni believes she was undervalued. Seems to me she has been very successful.
In a way, she might be right. I could not value Mitchell any less if I tried.
Artists like Joni only come once every thousand years. Love her rendition of John Lennon
Don't think she hates them but I thought she would have been grateful to Judy Collins.
she doesn't have to be grateful to anybody..except the folks who bought her music
I have a question. Why should I spend a millisecond of my time caring about the opinions of any celebrity?
Why comment then?
@@raymondpierotti8414 Or why are you here?
I find it interesting.
@@MaryBywaters I guess I have an empty life, and so do you.
@@raymondpierotti8414 each person is the judge of how full or empty their life is. Some enjoy making a hobby of judging and psychoanalyzing others for their own entertainment.
How people like to report the negative & omit the good. She also said she liked Dylan's direct lyrics which influenced her approach, the rest is true - he swiped whole obscure melodies & even the pattern or theme. I don't like Collin's bland version, Joni even criticised her own early rendition saying it needed a voice of experience praised & went backstage to compliment a less famous old black woman for her version, She also praised Buffet St Marie's versions of her early songs who sang some when less known. John Lennon was plain rude because all he could write were simple chants except the hypocrisy of Imagine, he was not shy of criticising others. Joni doesn't like meaningless pop, she hated Material Girl which she thought reflected the eighties; Madonna has a good voice but most are little more than vacant, sexed up catchy tunes - it is commercialism personified. It is worth noting that many comments she made were when she was recovering from a brain aneurysm, she was probably not familiar with Swift but may well have been referring to playing the complications of her own life & the crap thrown at her like being called El Lay for her active sex life which never happened to men. An innovator, she changed musical genres before Bowie. If she is bitter about anything it was not being compared to male singer songwriters on merit, early females like Joni & Carol King were pioneers of great songwriting. She did not make a list of dislikes, these are all separate anecdotes from interviews & she did not retract her statements about Dylan, she even spoke about enduring his bad breath during duets. Dylan has said she did not get the recognition due to her original style & talent, he said her honesty was a part of her integrity & what made her so perceptive. I hate petty videos like this.
I used to eat at Buffet St. Marie, they had great ribs.
its buffy!
John Lennon was NOT working class, at all. I knew some if his friends. Mitchell has always uppity- and exclusive in approaching her and her work. I remember first hand.
They hate you if you are clever and they despise a fool, till your so F'n crazy you can't follow their rules, When they tortured and scared you for 20 pdd years they expect you to pick a career, When you can't really function you are so full of fear, a working class hero is something to be
Well, John and Paul McCartney went to grammar school in the UK, and back in those days, that was a marker of social class. If there was anyone in the Beatles who carried a working-class ethic with him, it would have had to have been Ringo.
So, in the end the working class kid's music outclassed the snooty la-di-dah lady of immaculate "intergrity."
@@xxcelr8rs Working class hero by John Lennon is a great song and one that always moves me to tears.
She's right about Taylor Swift.
Her remark about TS was when she was being discussed for the lead in a Joni Mitchell biopic, which never got made.
I have to agree with her assessment of Madonna completely. I love Joni Mitchell's music and always will. I think she has been undervalued.
The John Lennon thing was a weird misapprehension on her part, probably due to assuming that anyone who doesn't talk like a BBC announcer must be common. Of course, the UK has many many accents, and most Americans are only familiar with a few of them. Lennon was middle-class despite his 'unmarried mother' origin. He was an art school student who lived in relative comfort. Absolutely nothing wrong with that, but it does give some context for his experimentalism and iconoclasm.
Although I grew up in The Beatles era and always liked them as a band, I too could not stand Lennon. From the dirge that is "Imagine" to the 12 bar knockoffs he recorded to his obsesion with the slightly peculiar Yoko, he came across as being a prize pratt.
the Beatles were writing and performing for the average young person, who gives a crap about what ivory league people want to listen to?
It proves she is a class bigot
@@thirlestanelodge2 Pretty fancy for a military brat from the Prairie.
Joni Mitchell is Canadian, not American.
Like her or not she was saying it as she saw it. Songs aside I’d rather listen to Joni’s voice than Dylan or Collin’s.
that's why we have so many different kinds of music to choose from, talented artists and diverse people looking for songs and music.
She was a musical genius back in the day but has become very bitter. A musician who worked with her partner in the 90s said she was a nightmare whenever she turned up.
What was genius about her? Baez predated her by about 6 or 7 years and paved the way for female folk music.
@ The fact you confine her music to “folk music” amply demonstrates why you don’t understand my comment.
@@fusionfan6883 The fact you didn't explain how you would characterize her music in any way, shape, or form clearly indicates you consider her a "genius" simply because it is the "hip" thing to do. I doubt you have ever listened to her music. I call her folk music because that is what she started out as and was the "scene" she was in back in the '60s and early '70s. Crosby, Stills, and Nash were considered folk music as well but they had tons of songs that were rock, pop, even some gospel. You get too hung up on labels. It's pretty obvious what my point was but really not obvious what yours was which is probably why no one else responded. How about explaining why you feel she is a genius? What did she do that was groundbreaking? How is she different from other female artists of the era? How is she any more genius than say, Ronstadt, Collins, or Baez? All great singers, all great artists and writers and all predate Mitchell.
@ What a rude and unpleasant person you are, there was absolutely no need for your insulting tone. I did not reply in detail because your comment as both simplistic and misguided, in other words it did not justify a detailed reply. However, in view of your rudeness, here is something a bit more meaty to educate you. Joni transcended so called folk fairly early on and moved into far more sophisticated compositions employing jazz harmony and complex rhythms. Baez was basic by comparison and in no way built a catalogue as far reaching as that of Mitchell. Many feel Joni’s masterpiece is Hejira, but I particularly loved her live Shadows and Light material, not least because the band featured some of the greatest jazz musicians of modern times. She continued to develop her songwriting in subsequent albums like Mingus. Finally, as to your non point about Baez starting before her, my response is so what? Baez may have started sooner, but that does not mean other more talented artists can’t then follow and expand the genre as Mitchell did. Despite your childish insult I do know Mitchell’s music, in fact I own pretty well everything she has done, so no I didn’t call her a genius just because it was “hip”! Next time try and be civil rather than spew out misinformed insults.
@@fusionfan6883she’s still not all that you make her to be. I give her credit for thinking out of the box in the 70s like Dylan but her foundation was always folk music
Friends will compliment you, great friends critique your stuff.
Joni Mitchell to Taylow Swift: Good luck!
Narrator: It was a stinging/cutting remark. So much hatred between the two! 🤣🤣😂😂😆😆
waiting for her next song: "Get Off My Lawn!"
LOL !!! What about her new song: "I Want To Speak To The Manager" or "What Is Corporate's Phone Number?" or "Stop Recording Me" and the all time favorite: "Do You Know Who I Am?" !!!
Correction: Get Off My Hissing Summer Lawn
@@woodybowen5362Nice parlay!
Boring , grumpy , frumpy.
Oh I didn't know her name is KAREN Mitchell
Personally,I loved her early work,but face it folks, Joni likes being the center of her universe.She literally gave up her child to focus on her career.I would not like being in her orbit,her gravity would surely crush you.
At least she was honest about it. And what about the father? I don't hear anyone whining about "the deadbeat".
You have to see in context of the times. They (musicians) were ALL like that. All somewhat self-centered and encouraged to be that way, by the media and the public. People clamored for their music and wanted to live that lifestyle. She knew she was a good lyricist and a good musician and wrote original material and she was part of the top tier. They were all competing and interacting with each other in a mostly friendly way. As for the child, she was unwed and from a small town, and in those days it was best to keep things hidden. There are some people who are compelled to become who they are, and Joni was one of them. She had to follow her path. When you're young it's easy to justify your decisions, it's as you get older that you start to question what you've done. I wish people weren't so judgemental about her personal life, it doesn't make her music less relevant. I think she was the best lyricist out there. Dylan was good but a little more abstract in style, but poetic nevertheless.
@@cosmicmauve Yes you are right John Lennon had to hide the fact that he was married. Context is everything.
@@MaryBywaters 'Hey! You got to hide your marriage away'
Got it. She's Pete Townshend in drag.
Totally agree!
Oooh someone got butthurt
@@Justa_Bloke No butthurt at all, @shuroom57 is absolutely right Townshend is a great artist but also a douche bag narcissist just like JM.
Apparently, you have never listened to ANY of her lyrics 😂. She calls it as she sees it.
@@Ron-c6i Then so is Jagger, Dylan, Lennon, Prince, Richards, Harrison, Mercury, etc, etc. Not uncommon for well established, respected artists to be critical, outspoken, and honest and it's not equivalent to narcissism.
Mitchell is a legend who had to work the board to the max to learn her craft, whilst other careers were manufactured.
Mitchell did her share of sleeping to the top
Regarding Dylan being a thief, Picasso said, "Good artists borrow from other artists. Great artists STEAL from other artists."
I will carry that one around awhile LOL thanks.
Picasso stole cubism style of art from Jacques Braque.
That is why he made that comment.
it's true.
Bob Dylan borrowed a my weed whacker six years ago and he never gave it back. And this guy's rich! Where's my weed whacker, Bob? I betcha broke it!
He broke it on a rolling stone.
Something's happening here and you don't know what it is.
Rotten AI-generated pablum
Appropriate for Joni Mitchell.
@@leelarson107 Bullshit, I'm not a particular fan but she is a great singer/songwriter - with a sometimes too big mouth on her
Her opinion of Dylan is valid. All artists copy from others - Joni included. That's how art works.
Dylan stole everything though. And at times blatantly stole. As a musician myself I understand the clear distinction between reflections of my infuences coming through in my music and sitting down and outright stealing from others purposefully. If you don't understand the clear difference, you shouldn't talk about what you don't properly understand. Go and listen to Paul Clayton's Who's Gonna Buy You Ribbons (When I'm Gone) and then listen to Dylan's Don't Think Twice it's Alright and tell me if you've ever heard a song so blatantly directly stolen in your life. His image was fake from the start and it still is, these days he's posing as a Wild West poker shark or something.
@@Justa_Bloke Everything? Really?
@@Justa_Bloke I've looked at Paul Clayton's song. There are different opinions about it, there was a lawsuit by Clayton i think, there were court actions. in all news reporting on it, a clear point was made that Bob and Paul remained friends and the lawyers handled everything , and the court ruled that Bob used the pre-existing lyrics legally. Without refreshing my memory by googling it now, i'll say that i think the court saw that "who's gonna buy you ribbons when i'm gone" (paul's song) was based on public domain lyrics, "who's gonna buy you chickens when i'm gone," Paul didn't have a legal claim to originality. I don't know what the court said but to me, my opinion, is that if you compare Bob's song to Paul's, Bob has created a very original song, while Paul's song is resting heavily on the traditional song lyrics. I just see this as Bob Dylan's gift, he writes songs with originality that's beyond compare, he's famous for this and widely respected for it. There's no comparison between the 4 verses of Don't Think Twice it's all Right and Who's Gonna Buy You Ribbons When I'm Gone. If you think the two songs are comparable in originality and other qualities, i'm interested in hearing about it, but i followed the court case at the time and it wasn't that hard to come to the decision that won the case.
i don't know what you mean by wild west poker. ??
@@jaw444 I honestly dont know of anyone one who has written more music that BD ? ( my 2001 song book has 784 pages of sheet music and lyrics !!!! and it doesn't even have any of his last 5 or 6 albums (Dylans voice IS disappointing live... but GREAT on his recordings ( rich and resonant.. and " well lived in"... and ON PITCH (which one could never accuse Madonna of ) when my students used to say " I Hate Picasso"... I'd reply... "which of his 250,000 Drawings or 7000 Paintings don't you like ?" I rate that as a painting every 3 days for 70 years +) I'd guess Bob is penning something as I write this ? EGOS (every grain of sand ) "lots of people suffering tonight.. from the disease of conceit" TRUTH !
With respect to Dylan, Joni may have been referring to something that few know about, but matches her critique of him. She said he couldn't sing or play the guitar verry well. He wasn't a talented musician or an authentic person.....................Some of you may know the story about Dylan. He hung around in Greenwich Village, where all young people aspiring to 'make it' hung out at the time. Everyone that knew Dylan said he had no talent at all, couldn't sing, write or play the guitar worth listening to. They had the same view of Dylan that Joni had, not favorable. Then Dylan disappeared from the scene, nobody knew where he went, but he was gone, just like that. One year later he returned, but something had changed. Those that knew him best said they couldn't believe it. He was completely different musically, as if a miracle had taken place. They were all lost to understand how he became so good in just one year. One of the guys said nobody could improve that much in only a year, and yet he did just that. But how?
Dylan himself told the story, he explained what happened. It's not a nice story, in fact I won't listen to anything he was associated with after I heard his story. The bottom line is that he made an agreement, the kind of thing we hear many others talk about and/or admit to having done these days. He made a deal with the devil. Although it sounds fictional and ridiculous, it's very real. The deal goes like this; a meeting takes place, the aspiring star is told to show up at a particular place at a given time. I don't know who represents the devil at the meeting. A document/contract is presented and is read by the 'applicant'. A trade-off is proposed, and either accepted or rejected. It has to be signed, like any other official contract.
The trade is a guarantee for the artist, to be provided with the best of gigs in the best of places, as much work as he wants and for an indefinite period. The artist is also guaranteed fame and fortune, all anyone could ask for and whatever vice the person may have, be it women, drugs, or anything other, will be in provided and in plentiful supply for the artist. For these things the artist has to sign the contract, which includes a promise to devote himself to the devil, and a vow to denounce Jesus Christ. There might be more to this, I may have some details wrong, but this is the gist of the agreement. I've seen many of the 'stars' of today admit and describe the same thing that Dylan signed up for. it's hard to imagine that anyone would accept that which will cost the soul of the artist.
there are two things in the world that i H8 most. Johni Mitchell and....the Bee Gees^^
Not a Fan!
Same here.
Joan Baez and Carole King were so much better
@@AdamsOlympia That's your personal opinion.
@@Justa_Bloke duh.
@@deathmetaldouglas69 For those who might be unfamiliar with Baez's work:
Pull up this song on YT:
"Joan Baez - Diamonds and Rust (With Lyrics)"
What'd this "death metal" guy say about musical genius again? This song of hers is just the tip of the iceberg.
I haven't heard anything from Joni that comes close.
John Lennon was not working class. Look at the house he was brought up in - Mendips. Also he went to art college didn't to an apprenticeship as a plumber. FFS before you insult someoneget your facts right. Love or hate John Lennon he was very, very sharp and was the driving force behind the Beatles.
Yeah, but everybody talked about Lennon like he was a saint, when he wasn't. He was very pretentious and a mean-spirited person, especially towards his family.
@@alukuhito I always thought he was mean-spirited and tbh he was the least popular member of the Fab Four to me because of it.
@@alukuhito "everybody talked about Lennon like he was a saint" - really? First I've heard of it!
@@JamesGale1 You're probably either too young or too old, but for a lot of us, we grew up with this image of him being such an awesome guy, such a rebel for the right things. He was the peace protestor. He wrote Imagine.
@@alukuhito Born 7 years after Lennon was born. Does that make me too old or too young? No-one I know/knew thought of Lennon as a saint! Definitely a human, with a mix of good points and not such good ones. Talented in several different ways, including as a lyricist and composer. Vanishingly few saints around. I'm pretty sure Lennon would have found the notion of HIS sainthood totally ridiculous!
Between 1966-1971, Joni Mitchell was a singular brilliant unmatched musical icon. She _changed_ the sound of folk guitar, and folk songs- forever. Her physical beauty was astounding. She was never a commercial "product", like the Beach Boys. It was as if she had landed from another planet, compared to the stuff pouring out of AM commercial radio.
I think Joni Mitchel is in a class of Aretha Franklin with there been there, done that, now try to impress me type attitudes. Both are very talented people that don't have the need to hold back. Joni is the master in writing songs and Aretha was a master in singing songs, two very distinguished artist that were in the same industry for it seems like their lifetime and many of our lifetimes. Aretha Franklin "Someone else's eyes," is unforgettable and a lesson in itself and Joni Mitchel's insightful story telling follows her all thru her long career. We are lucky to have been around to experience it.
Good to see Joni is not the least bit bitter and views other musicians' styles and success as somehow an affront to her personally. 🤨
Pretentious "authenticity" is the phoniest charade of them all.
This is a fake 'AI' channel.
what a superb way to put it. My mom always told me to be careful about trying to look better by downgrading others. Tried to follow that, too bad Joni did not. Talented, yes, but an out of control ego, probably should have kept all this to herself. Wonder how she would critique her voice vs David Crosby's, before he ruined his with drugs, age? If honest, she would say, "way short". Gene Clark, too, for that matter. But then, she and BD are really songwriters first, performers second. She seems to have forgotten that truth.
I found it ironic that she says Dylan is a plagiarist and a fake. Yet she says it was through him that she learned she could write about anything. When I first heard Dylan it was unlike anything I had heard before. All artists are to some extent plagiarists, but it is not what you borrow it is how you use it in a new way and Dylan certainly did that and she learned from that. I love the work of Joni Mitchel and listen to her more than I listen to Dylan these days but Dylan is the more important artist.
Dylan stole Neil Young's "Helpless" for his "Knockin' on Heaven's Door."
Naw, many songs have the same or similar chords. Besides that Neil is a jab enforcer and probably unpleasant to be around.
Her comment about realising she could get away with singing about anything from Dylan was clearly a back-handed compliment. She was really saying that he could write songs about any old gibberish which had very little substance at times.
Go and listen (and listen properly) to Who's Gonna Buy You Ribbons (When I'm Gone) by Paul Clayton and then listen to Dylan's Don't Think Twice it's Alright. The nerve to steal a song so blatantly is actually shocking to me.
@@Justa_Bloke Actuallt, her comment that hearing Positively Fourth Street made her realize that she could write about anything is a complete slur and insult.
@@LordMondegrene What???????
Sounds bitter..people are always going to hate no matter how good or average you are
I've known a lot of people like her, most of them arrogant women. I've stayed away from them, and my life is better for that. But they're still stuck with themselves.
She's spot on about both Bob Dylan and Madonna. People like you two just can't deal with hearing uncomfortable truths about the idols you worship.
@@Justa_Bloke what do you mean by "can't deal with?" It sounds like if someone expresses an opinion at odds with yours, you call that "they can't deal with what i believe." Can you "deal with" what they think? what does it mean to deal with? i think it means whether you can or can't tolerate respectfully listening to a belief that's different from yours. it's just sport, it's internet play, social media, people exchanging opinions. it seems healthy to me, compared to holding what you believe inside with no chance to express it.
Whose breath was funky?
Oh, she said Bob Dylan.
Almost every female singer-songwriter cites JonI Mitchell as one of their top inspirations.
No. They don't.
I met her once. She kissed her own hand, help it out and said, “ I love me, want some?” I said no thank you.
*held it out
Pretty sure she was being ironic.
@@LP-hs6yz He didn't get it 😆
That didn't happen and you never met her.
I meant to say HELD. But I said help. Yes I did meet her. I really did. And she said that. For real. I’m serious. It’s totally true.
She doesn't speak in a mean-spirited tone, I think people twist her words and intent.
No she's pretty nasty sometimes, especially since she got older and there's a lot of "get off my lawn" to it as well. I'd be the first person to tell you how talented she is though but being humble was never one of her strengths. I can't think of any songwriter who has more well written songs than Dylan and Working Class Hero is one fantastic song and John's work with the Beatles speaks for itself. Madonna doesn't really do much for me talent wise but being nasty to someone who covered your song and brought it some well known attention is a bit silly and it's not a bad cover at all.
Star making machinery behind the popular song
…but in Paris he felt unfettered and alive, no one calling for favors, no one’s future to decide.
@@jonisoma5726 but i'd go back there tomorrow !!!!!
While living in Laurel Joni was ridden by everyone Jackson Browne Buffalo Springfield , Crosby Nash & Young, she was known as the Laurel Canyon mattress cover.
I do not think bob dylan would have felt any remorse over her comments, Lennon would have laughed and sent her his love, or felt compassion for one who was taking themselves too seriously. Her music is iconic, I do not care what she thinks about my other musical heroes. She should be thanking God for having their association.
Lennon was no Buddha
@@kurtsakslsvideosaks9185 He never aspired to that, he had his own ideas. I did not always agree with him.
@@kurtsakslsvideosaks9185Tru. He was much slimmer
She's so correct in how she described Bob Dylan though. I realised those things about Dylan myself years ago. She's spot on.
@RonaldJohnson-p4r Nice one Ronald... i actually laughed 😅. Buddha was once you and beautiful though, like we all were, sigh
LOL
One never seems to mention that Joni's first artistic efforts were as a painter before her music growing up. Since she has probably spent as much time painting as songwriting. She gets no credit for this duo effort. There is no doubt she could have been successful as a painter.
It's like a vegetarian gives comment on the taste of meats . When one becomes famous, and Fame bring out the arrogant .
This is why I like Leonard Cohen. I've read many of his poems. They are, without a doubt, from the deep mind of a poet. The music allows the poems to I have a life of their own.
As a singer who collabarates with other artists, this criticism of others performers art , music and even more personal information like breath is not very classy. Everyone is unique and that what makes music interesting.
*You are unique... Just like everyone else...*
I loved Joni friends.i was not so much about Bobby Zimmerman.
Judy Mitchel my friends and my husband saw her in person, on a veryrainy night n Georgia.. I bought a plastic drop cloth. She is a beautiful woman with a beautiful soul and voice. ☮️ 🙏🏼 💙
But on the plus side, she never met a cigarette she didn't love.
Plus side?