BREAKING NEWS UPDATE! TD4 Chassis Details Revealed Tamiya Super Avante 2021 RC Buggy. Kit 58696
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- Tamiya's latest chassis images have been revealed on the live stream this morning.
After the teaser trailer earlier this week, we now get to see the latest release from Tamiya in its entirety. We got to see this totally new chassis design up close and personal.
Is this something special, only time will tell but it does look the part.
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Yeah that body and wheel combo 😭😭
Hi!!! Looks like the X-men’s wolverine buggy with that paint scheme. I still think it looks great but looks like a bit of a hassle to run . Don’t think I’m gonna be getting this one but Tamiya is on the right track by building more character buggies. Thanks
I have to say everyone complaining about the battery removal clearly has raced a 1/10 buggy. Most of them you leave the battery in and just hook charger to it. Yes they come out but everyone I know charges the battery in the buggy. So the whole difficult battery doesn't bother me it's not hard to charge in car. Second if it comes painted then it's not for me, if it's not painted I think I'd give a shot, it looks like it might be a fun buggy to drive on my local track. That's just my two cents thanks for the updates, love your videos!
Great idea Greg. But if I look on my situation: driving 20 minutes to my RC place, walking 10 minutes to the track and then driving for 10 minutes the car until the battery is discharched. Maybe I'll recharge it in my car. That means 20 minutes walking, plus the charging time... Unfortunately this solution is mot an option for me. I must change the batteries in the wilderness.
"Super Tornado" would definitly be a great name for that car
Love character cars Gavin...I can't understand why most modern RC cars look like their based on the same square boxy body design!
Nice one Tamiya ;)
So you’ve noticed that as well.
I'm torn on this one, love the fact Tamiya have done something different but the use of the Avante name plus the hassle involved with battery changes is putting me off, guess I'll wait and see what the pricing and reviews are after launch.
I love it. Tamiya as always been plastic models for me so I really don't care about it. For me the golden era of tamiya is not avante but grasshopper, hornet, boomerang...So refreshing to see something new from tamiya. Also that never ending live presentation gave me a little hope about the leonis re-re ;)
Hey that golden era also includes the SRBs and frog.
@@michaelqendro9825 yes! Did not try to be exhaustive and also far from me the idea that the original Avante was not a great car, just for me Tamiya has ever been more about plastic fun and iconic buggies
I’ve bashed mine for years now.
Great car but needs too many mods to live up to the Avante name.
Must haves: diff nuts, carbon tower, alloy shocks and front U.Js.
Real shame they missed those out. Next step should have been super Egress.
Hey at least it's different. There's way too many commodity derivatives in the RC market to simply make an evolution of an existing conventional chassis. Quirky is what makes it Tamiya. Name aside, I think it's pretty neat. It's certainly more inspiring than that awful Comical Hotshot body.
Looks like Tamiya has done a redesign of their core chassis for the off road racer, which is great. It seems a pity they didn't break a bit further with their legacy designs, especially with the rc world competitors in general moving on now. I do like the plastic-tub chassis, as much as I can see of it, it will add great strength while keeping the weight and the cost way down. Would like to have seen stick batteries left behind in the new design, in favour of a more compact LiPo format such as shorty-pack. Shorty-pack format would leave more usable space available for receiver, ESC and servo. and keep the weight down. Not sure the lay down shocks are a good idea for off road, they have been tried elsewhere before and suffer from the problem of limited suspension travel when long travel is really much needed for off road. But, lets see how it turns out in the flesh. Wonder how the transaxle looks for race or bashing applications, is there some kind of slipper clutch to lighten the load on the transmission?
I have built Tamiya kits for a long time. When you have a design where everything is tightly fit like this car, the TC01 and the old 4WD F1 car it's discouraging for me. Because, my first though is if I have to repair something it's more of a headache. I think the designers have to take in consideration the ease of repair and replacement. Why would they make so hard to install a battery?
Because they expect this car to be a shelf queen for the most part.
@@shadow7037932 The TC01 is one of the classes in the Taniya Championship Series. ua-cam.com/video/OscgOE_4Mgk/v-deo.html
Proof will be in the pudding.
Once people can get there hands on one and run it against the older design then I feel the SUPER name will pro vale . Great work from tamiya. Can’t wait 😍
I saw a running video and it looked pretty quick. A lot faster then the average silver can. Hopefully this buggy will do ok with a mild brushless setup. As far as the paint job goes, it reminds me of a racing buggy where looks aren’t as important as visibility. A bright and unique paint job makes your car easier to see amongst others in a race. Also, neon yellow rims (like these) are often used in RC racing for better visibility.
I think is a beautiful car, but then I like any Tamiya. Can always upgrade them and I love the builds . Just hope they build enough of these , can never get any Avante in Australia. Tamiya and kyosho are always my favorite, we have every Arrma, Losis, xmaxes but my favorite is always Tamiya and kyosho.
I think Tamiya have done a great job with this. Yes there are issues like the battery access and the wheel colour but overall I think this is exactly the kind of buggy we want from Tamiya. Of course it’s not a competitive race car so it doesn’t need to have the bland aero noseless, cab forward design. Fully ball raced, hex screws and quality plastics are great improvements. The lay down front shocks and the windows look cool. Wheels are a slight disappointment, as you say it’s the clash of the yellow doesn’t work and it’s about time we had a new wheel design so I think a camlock v2 might have been a nice touch and good way to connect this back to the original. Will be interesting to see what the price is going to be, I think maybe more than a VQS but less than a 2011 Avante would be about right so possibly £350 ish? Whatever it is I’m sure people will complain 😀
Love your videos Gav , and yes super what ever i want one lol cheers man :-))
Hopefully we will see a Super Avante Black Special with a translucent-black bodyshell, carbon-fiber shock tower, gold metal shocks, metal knuckles/uprights for the wheels and a carbon fiber base-plate.
I like the DF03 Avante mk2 over the DF02 Aero Avante, it just better looking to me.
I think Tamiya, has over done it with all the Avante buggies. I hope this is the last! I like how different the chassis is, interesting but if I were to own one. I’d paint it all Blue, the Yellow decals are enough & change those Toy looking hideous Wheels!!! I hope there are some good Options on the way to address the Steering & maybe a larger front bumper. Thanks for the update 👍😎
You know gav I have 47 Tamiya cars but still no Avanti not too fussed might get one soon. The tanks I have cost allot Soo it's hard to collect across the range. My favorite car is the striker with CVA shocks I just love it's looks.
I think it looks gorgeous, just hope I can afford it after shelling out for a Tamiya lorry.
I appreciate Tamiya debuting a new chassis; I don’t want them to fade away. I’ll get this and the TA08 Pro as I want to see more of the like. I’ll also snap up any old touring-car reissue they throw out.
I wish they’d put out old and new JGTC / Super GT bodies.
I think you nailed a few things right on the head. People expect is the first. Bashing is the second. But they are a long time (so to speak) Japanese company. That being even if that bring in a person to design something they will also they the final word ie rim color choice. So i does a company keep it roots and not get left behind in sales. You have to try and some times you fail. My only issue is looking at your collection and thinking crap i have to step my game up. That blue Avante in the front is beautiful what a car
The TRF501x looked much more like an Avante than this monstrosity.
Was the Avante ever above a TRF?
@@seamusmawdsley8462 The TRF range was invented many years after the first Avante was released. The TRF range was for serious racing, unlike previous hobby grade kits which Tamiya were famous for. I think the Avante was their first attempt at a serious high end 4wd buggy for racing, if I'm not wrong.
Good videon, cheers for your thoughts on it, looking forward to getting one :)
Tekno uses mostly solid arms too and those are quite durable too
Hopefully, the price is not so ridicilously high, so i can afford one. Not going to use that body, id rather use Avante MK2 body if it fits.
Another great video. Lots to think about and I found myself agreeing with your comments (as usual... lol )
Ironically...... I keep calling it the Super Astute too!!
The chassis does look good..... the plastic looks rubbery.... so the soft (yet very durable) plastic of new rather than traditional stuff. Like Kyosho have always used.
Am waiting for the Price now...... pretty sure it's going to be big...... they've put a LOT of thought and manufacturing into this.......
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I'm happy for a new design and kit ,,its different and unique ,
,I even think painting the wheels the correct yellow wont look as bad as everyone seems to be saying ,,,I do think there are better color options than the box art.
I'm understanding that Tamiya is simply trying to provide new kits that are true to the vintage heritage in some degree yet needing to modernize at the same time
that's a tough job to do ,,so i have to give credit for getting it mostly right in that regard
I could nit pick it to death if i were a staunch vintage cork sniffer , but isn't that true for even any vintage kit ?
I'm getting one for sure ,
I don't understand all the heavy negative comments ,, since there are plenty of cool Tamiya kits to suit everyone's different likes .
i just hope the price is not out of my budget range.
I should add , I'm not viewing or comparing this as an Avante successor kit ,,just as a new kit ,,and not what they named it so I'm less biased than some may be but understand that can be a negative
Hi Gav, great work on the vid, I like the idea of this car as a fun runner! Like you say probably wouldn't do box art, and bumpers are also good for garden bashing... Actually the plastics/some areas remind me of Team Associated :)
You were having a bit of a time keeping a straight face at the begining. Made it funnier. Disconnecting the steering to change the battery pack? Minor face palm....
Isn't this the buggy version of the Feiyue Fy03 / Eachine EAT04 / HBX etc. desert trucks?
The chassis is a brilliant idea you can loose the battery for a lipo easy and make the cross brace from carbon.
Then thumb screws to hold it down for a quick battery change there's loads of scope on the chassis,But the shell is pant like big old Y fronts 🤣
If I wanted the box art colours I’d want that preprinted however the gunmetal grey and wheel colour you showed is a far superior option but would preprinted stop you repainting it to make it personal. It is a shame theirs not more metal and carbon as it looks more entry than top end hope there will be plenty of hip ups for it to make it how it should be
Avante in Italian sounds like Avanti which means Ahead. But beside the push rods, this car does not look so ahead like the original Avante in the 80s…that was a child dream.
The chassis could be a new rally chassis with shorter arms and drive shafts.
I love the DF03RA and the modification of 4WD buggies into touring cars.
Hope they release some rally versions like the df03ra!
Personally I feel this doesn’t deserve the Avante name. Maybe Neo Avante but definitely not Super Avante. The “Super” moniker always meant an up-option car, not this plastic fantastic.
Agreed, Bang on. Very Japanese/Anime. I hate prepaints so I hope it isnt, how much do we reckon this is? I really like it though. Nice to see something really new rather than re-re after re-re
That may be how you interpret the name, but maybe not Tamiya. Just cut and redo the decal letters to suit you!
I don't understand why they shoot themselves in the foot. Why design in something so stupid as to make you disassemble half the car to get the battery out?
I thought the same thing about it looking rear wheel drive when I see the first images
as to the box art and prepainted body, how much would be stickers and painted one colour.
Kept getting adds for diet products …. Were they for me, you or the car ????????????
LOL
It’s like a well sorted tenth technology predator on steroids not sure about the shell 😳
No, not a fan. I feel this isn't going to be cheap kit either (ball diffs, bearings, adjustable TB's, and I notice a lot of blue aluminium bling on the model shown too). The battery removal is a faff, and feel the mudguards will break off. Also the body has sections screwed to it as well (like the Super Sabre did), those will snap and break after a feel tumbles I'm sure.
It will be relatively cheap, under $300.
It gives me predator x11 vibes i like it :)
I was surprised they took the wheels off and removed the battery when we asked!!
One guy could speak English and Japaneese so he translated our request to remove the wheel. I think Tamiya was surprised how many people turned up for the chat and live stream.
It took me some time until I realized they were reading the chat. And happy they listened to us to remove the wheels! 😊
@@RCKickschannel yeah 2100 at one time
I saw you on live stream 👍🏻
Lmao at the middle age Avante 🤣
I would definitely consider buying one as long as the body is clear. If it come pre painted that would put me off buying one.
Bad idea with the battery setup , continually undoing the suspension , definite breaking points .
Great video, thanks Gavin. I quite like the look of the chassis but not convinced on the battery removal system?.... seems you have to dismantle the buggy just to change the battery!...maybe its not as complicated as I'm thinking. I forsee alot of people not liking that idea.
I would love to race this, but the shells will be expensive to replace
totally agree with you, Gavin. If the body comes pre-painted, I do not think I will by one...
By the way, it seems the wing is in the lowest position... hope so.
Love it
Definitely needs a bigger bumper you could fit a few different ones as it’s just four screws it looks like you could just get a mad bull bumper on it? As you need it if your bashing? As the problem I had with the dt-03 chassis was if you hit the kerb you were bending the bumper and cracking the chassis!!! A bigger bumper and a clear body shell please Tamiya 👍🙏
We'd love to see someone manufacture a modern forward cab style shell for the car. Perhaps they'll be another model on the same chassis. After a few views this one is growing on us thou.
I would prefer a pre-painted body from the factory but have the option to pick a different color body. This new Avante body looks color but looks difficult to do!
If its pre-painted Im definately out 100%
I do like the look of the car, I mean its not the most sexy Ive seen but i do like the look of the design but its ne I'll wait on reviews for
I'm sure there will be clear body's available ,but yeah it will make the kit even more costly to build and own
Your analysis is pretty spot on.
TD4 is like the Big Wig by an outside designer when it came out. Is not love at 1st sight.
Noob not going thier Gav just spent $1200 on a grand hauler with sound and lights and front drive dive so 6x6 it will be a NZ logging truck from the 80s.
there are so many new gimmics.I am looking forward to owning this!
I gotta say I like it! BUT, like you've said, it's VERY overengineered. The Batry is a main issue!! WHY couldn't they have just done a BOTTOM Batry Door, like the XV01?? 😳
That practically FORCES you to stay away from Lipos. Very few People will want to partially disassemble the Car, to remove the Lipo - which MUST be done.
LOVE the Inboard Shocks! Love the mini Fenders, reminiscent of the Classic Era Sports Cars.
Also like you, I HOPE the Body doesn't come Pre-Painted!!! 😖
What I'm most afraid of is, Tamiya could and might push the $500 barrier with this one. 😞
OK, yes, I can easily afford one NOW. But the Me from just 2 months ago couldn't dream of it - and many of my Friends now can't either......
The chassis is nice with those thicc arms.
I have put my name down for one :)
I love it
This is definitely going to come pre painted, but hopefully they'll release unpainted shells later on.
God I hope so if it's pre painted.
Super Egress on the way with carbon plates hicaps and front upright shock conversion. Maybe swaybars.
This thing is interesting but not Omfg look at it 1988 Avante. Pass until everything is back to normal and prices for everything are not so inflated.
Do we know if the vintage avante/egress wheels will fit this new kit? I like everything aside from the wheels - I never liked the top force wheels to begin with 😬
I’m excited about buying a new car for the first time in 20 years!!!
I think tamiya have a good back catalogue of bodies, what I’m looking for from a rere is the same look but with an updated chassis. So improve the shocks, put in a slipper clutch, balls diffs etc. Maybe update the suspension geometry but keep the retro look. So for me although I like that there’s a new chassis this misses the mark.
they did design a new version of the avante it was called egress it should of stopped there
I don't think it will be pre painted because the box art seems a bit too complex to mass produce. They've only ever done one color pre-paints. Regardless a pure painted body in this scheme would definitely put a lot of people off. I still think they should have tried to stay a lot closer to the 88 scheme if they wanted to put the Avante name on it.
The TXT-1 would have a two color pre-paint body (blue and yellow) ;) and a clear body in the Box.
Mario Andretti helmet on the driver, nice.
I think the designers have to take in consideration the ease of repair and replacement. Why would they make so hard to install a battery?
Stupenda
I think it does follow the over engineering of the Avante looking at this. Complex chassis, mechanisms etc
I'm planning to buy one. What brushless motor / ESC combo do you recommend?
Hobbywing brushless combo's are great but don't go too bonkers on the Kv.
Should have given it a red and white design and called it a Hotshot 3, TD4 fits the brief to relaunch that name in my opinion. Avante should be top of the line for Tamiya and take design inspiration from 5th generation fighter jets... Not this. Aside from the naming and colour issue it look like it has a lot of potential.
Okay..... Disconnecting the shocks and the steering links? 😖😖😖 Essential parts that had to be fitted to the chassis without the possibility of any moving. Don't think, they will sit as tight as they were when the car was new after several changes of the battery. I know the changing of the battery on the original Avante is a little bit fiddly, too. But after a few changes you got used to. Why not taking the ESC mount and the driver apart? Or a battery door on the underside of the chassis? I mean I'm driving outside, in the forests, parks, opened construction sides. My car is parked a few minutes away, do I have to take a camping table with me for doing just usual stuff to get the car run?
Man, I even hate to take bodies off for a battery change.
But I still like this car somehow and sure I'll get one. Even if it'll never leave the shelf😉
For the body: I don't like the original blue-yellow style. I want a clear body. And I see no need in the "windows". If the car is driving, I don't think I will watch the shocks operating. So why? And the paint-job is much easier.
The front shock tower thing is screwed on using captive nuts, so it will stay tight.
I see you spotted my comment on the live stream.....4wd striker 🤣
In my opinion a super avante should be the original with modern technology implemented to make it stronger and preform better while holding true to the original
While this car is nice and looks interesting it's no avante and should have its own name to create a new legacy
Probably using the name because this kit will demand a higher price and the avante name will justify it
With the economy wacked right now getting people to part with their money requires a special following
I kinda like the thing even in box stock colours. Best part for me is that its all new and not a re re. The name Im not too fussy on as I am probably one of the few that does not care for the whole line of the Avante series.
Probably wont see it in Canada for a while anyways as nothing else is in stock accept maybe Hornet and hoppers and when it does come here the price will be stupid probably/unfortunately.
The chassis is an evolution of their 4WD chassis fleet. It mixes past designs with new design elements. The battery change is a horrible solution, but again very typical Tamiya off standard solution. They could have made a battery cover from the bottom or from the side instead. The body was designed by a designer and designs are sth you either like it or not, I don't, sorry. They could have made it look better with other colours and another name. But again, it makes it look very different and unique. I'm still torn, but the chassis is definitely the most interesting part of the car. And I wouldn't go boxart with this. 😊
I like it. Will be interesting to see how durable it is. I think it should have had its own name not Avante. I would like to see something new with good ground clearance and durable.
Has a face for radio I think
Me and the buggy, lol :)
Super Astute? Have you been drinking? 😂😂😂
I like everything about it.
I think it will look better as an Egress
To me it is not one I would buy. But it should have a stand alone name, I see no development of a avante.
Yes, they should strike out new, as they did in the past.
Seen some specs and ie length is 338mm? is a bit short eh? A new car and it has the old star dish wheels, come on Tamiya ! do a new design on the wheels. Well i'd buy one if it's not too expensive. Would strip the paint off if it's pre-painted or get another shell.
Doesn’t have that WoW factor as the original Avante has…The original Avante was the ultimate engineering and design showcase for Tamiya. This so called “Super Avante” has none of both yet they call it “Super”….
Agreed. This really isn't a true successor to the Avante.
Slapping a “Being Nuts is Neat” sticker and a Paranoid Perry figure just doesn’t cut it… There’s no Avante DNA in the design at all…
On the original Avante, you do not want to change anything because it’s perfection. But for this new wannabe Avante…you can make a list until kingdom comes…
Another super awesome video, wicked to hear your thoughts also i love no bumper, reminds me of 1/8th scale, the “fatness” is appealing like an 1/8th scale, skinny jeans vs sweats
I like it, but an interesting choice making a buggy that’s so welcoming to bash, have an incredibly fiddly complex method of changing the battery.
The piece the front shocks connect to looks a weak point? Going to bend a lot?
Too much pivot points on steering.I think I still like db01 db02 or tt02b
I really like the layout and design of the chassis. Even the overly complex way you have to get into the battery doesn't bother me. If the body comes pre painted that's would be a deal killer for me. I wouldn't buy it. Has anything been said about a possible release date or MSRP yet?
It should have been a stand alone, I would buy it, but its not a ungraded Avante. Its a cool car with a name it does not deserve.
Love your videos Gav but I dread it when you get anything with the Avante name in it. Please, PLEASE learn to say it correctly. It's *Ah-van-teh NOT Ee-van-tee*
Fyi, I feel the same about the car as your pronunciation of the name. It needs work 😉👍
Does it have a brushless motor system??
Nope you would have to fit that.
This car doesn't deserve the Avante name, and while I applaud Tamiya from moving away from the single chassis concept (TT-02) and creating something a bit more unique and adept at bashing I think they have missed the mark. I went out yesterday with a buddy to a BMX track and skate park. We are both getting on a bit now and have gotten back into RC after 30+ years away from the hobby, but what was very obvious was the reaction to our cars from the kids at the park. My friend had a Neo Scorcher and I had an Arrma Vorteks. Without even driving them everyone was interested in mine. Once we drove around a bit, the Tamiya didn't even get a look in. All the kids wanted to know about the Arrma and they asked questions about 3s, was it brushless, etc - they knew about all this stuff. I asked them which brands they've heard of. They knew about Traxxas and Arrma, they've never heard of Tamiya. We Tamiya fans are getting older, there's no two ways about it. If Tamiya want to continue grow their customer base outside of their domestic market, they need to look at bashers, and work to their strengths. Nobody is making 1/8th or 1/5th scale kits as far as I am aware, and Tamiya already sell RTR models anyway, so why not scale up a bit so they can run big lipo and brushless setups?. That's what customers want these days.I know the Vorteks is 1/10 scale, but it is significantly bigger than a Tamiya buggy and the build quality is miles better. The point is Tamiya need to change, and I'm sure you already know this. I recently sold my TT-02B having only had it less than 6 months. They need a load of upgrades to make them stronger, and if you make them fast enough to cope with BMX tracks, and the bigger wheels for such environments you are not far of the price of Arrma/Traxxas anyway but these cars are so much more capable. And even if you do go to that level the Tamiya cars do tend to break very easily no matter what upgrades you add to them. Personally I'll be buying some of the retro Tamiya kits as shelf queens because I like building them and there are a few kits I always wanted, but for driving won't be buying Tamiya as there is no point. Which is a shame.
Big scale and brushless/lipo set-ups are a dime a dozen. Tamiya is a unique, fringy company that has a Japanese sensibility to it. Why be derivative? Do we need another eighth scale brusless/lipo truck? Is that what the hobby really needs?
@@Mr_Cottam I think it needs something better than the bland TT-02 and DF03 cars that have both limited build and driving appeal. Tamiya need to build on their strengths of having unique models, but modernise a little. And yes I would like to see a 1/8 or 1/5 scale model.
Its like a band from the 80s like Duran Duran trying to right a new song in 2021 they just can not do it like they used to
Just keep staring at the original avante and them gold shocks