I Swear I'm Playing Counterwatch More Than Overwatch 2
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- Опубліковано 9 лют 2025
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The Overwatch 2 (OW2) grind is real and isn't stopping anytime soon
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*any tank gets a singular kill even once*
Enemy team: *so you have chosen death*
Enemy team: pull out sombra card
You don't even need to do the kills. I did well on winton for 1 fight. None were my kills, I just picked the right target to jump and dps followed up. Instantly see Doomfist hard dive me, both dps swap to bastion and reaper, support went brig kiriko. :) i just wanted monke
@@astupidlylongnamethatstoolong NO MONKE FOR U OR ANY1 AAHHH D:
REAPERREAPERREAPER BANG BANG BANG
Honestly I feel bad for ya. :(
It's truly the tank experience.
"any tank gets a singular kill even once"
Especially if that tank is doomfist.
I don't mind one hard counter; it's when the whole team counter swaps and is only looking at you. Also, if manual hack was more of a skill shot, than I would be annoyed slightly less. Like if I get hooked or speared as I'm rolling around on Ball, then at least I know they had to predict my movement. Sombra just looks in my general direction and holds a button.
he still won, so clearly the other team had to counter swap to even have a remotely close chance at winning
@@Feynvelhe wasn’t even doing that good on doom lol. The rest of his team was just better, but they seem doomfist and the whole team swaps. Same thing with genji. They make such complex and fun to use characters, but then make all their counters be so brainless
@@Feynvelhe’s complaining throughout the entire video and rightfully so. That’s still not a healthy experience
@@Dred-Rivals as a tank not dying and getting kills is doing more than good
@@damianvaldez9390 and how does him complaining have any significance? Im sorry but people complaining has 0 factor on how the game is balanced, win rates do.
I know your pain Flats... When you wanna just have fun in QP, you get countered by every single possible hero that enemy team can pick.
I see more people counter picking the tank with Sombra and Ana in QP and than ranked.
@@DEML91 Depends how desperate people are to win. Generally in rank, people are too stubborn to switch.
you can have fun even if you get counter picked, i main cassidy and dont ever swap off (qp) they pick sojourn or sombra to counter but it just helps you get better
Bro, sometimes on genji I'm 0 and 2, I get a SINGLE kill on their dps, everytime the next thing I see is a Mei walking out of spawn
Good. It means people want to win.
Thats not even a problem because you are a Streamer, getting counter every single match is just the Quickplay experience :/
not even in comp I get counter so many times as qp
This!!
Tank experience*
Sorry but you play an oppressive bully pick like doom in QP you’re stealing someone’s fun. So they can do it too. If I’m not having fun because of someone, so won’t they. I go in QP to warm up and relax not have some shitty matchmaking and get harassed by a flying kickboxer with a metal fist…
@mosqapuccino there's many ways to deal with doom then having your whole team swap
I can't with the ana supporting you through the misery 😂
One time in QP, I forget which tank I opened with, but the enemy tank swapped to a hard counter after their first death, so I swapped to a different tank (not even a counter), then they swapped to a hard counter to my _new_ tank. At that point I was just tired of swapping and played out the rest of the match. At the end, the enemy tank mocked _me_ for counterpicking (???) while our Moira whined that I didn't keep swapping. The audacity of people in this game.
I know tanks usually get rock paper scissored to death but doom really has it rough when it comes to his counters😅
@@johnsonspark171finally someone with brain cells 💀 when you get counters and heal botting the “FPS” part of the game is gone I would play CSGO but it’s filled with more cheaters than this game even in faceit and global on MM you get cheaters it’s sad.
It might comfort you a little bit to know that this happens to every doom player in QP. It is pain
and rein, i get one kill on rein and its just instant orisa, bastion, some times zen and mei and kiri, or sometimes a phar mercy. But its always after the first kill.
The trouble with Doom is that most players don't know how to deal with him at all outside of counterpicks, so that's what they resort to
Almost every single qp game I play as doomfist results in Sombra and Hog/Orisa coming out. Usually a McCree too. My sanity is slipping
who the hell is mccree?
@@TiagoMorbusSa Cassidy. Jesse McCree was his name but it turned out it was a Dev's name and that dev left the studio and basically put the studio in a conundrum. Which is why it's Cole Cassidy now.
oh, right, I remember, the dev that turned out to be a r*pist@@johnlucas2838
It was more than just him leaving, the name was changed because that particular dev was involved in a huge sexual harassment lawsuit@@johnlucas2838
Honestly, I can deal with them fine as Doom unless my own team comp is really bad. It's Symmetra that makes me want to swap. She's the true Doom counter, her turrets slow and you can be hit by all 3, meanwhile she TP's to your backline. Sombra doesn't feel as strong after her rework and Orissa I just ignore whenever I can, force cd when I can't. Same with hog, if you have an ana he's not as much of a counter.
What sucks is this is what happens when me and my friends get on to play some quickplay to just chill and relax
6:00 that wasn't a "I'm becoming a stronger person" look...that was "I should become a raging alcoholic instead of deal with this garbage" look
Seems like a classic doomfist experience. Seeing dps go sombra or a tank go orisa or Zarya after seeing doomfist has become a norm. For me at least anyway and I'm still in the learning phase.
yep same i hated sombra already but now i started learning doom and playing tank its so much worse
or the Kiriko cleanse when you are about to punch someone off the map and you end up in spawn instead
@@thekingmeruemThis! It needs a nerf! Fine if it makes you invulnerable, not nonexistent. I should still be able to physically punch you somewhere even if you take no damage.
zarya counters doom? i wouldn't really say that..
@@PurpleMoon799 she’s anti dive. It’s definitely a counter to a dive comp.
It's not just you, man. I've only just recently got to playable on Doomfist--not to a good level, but one where I can participate in the Overwatch game--and in QP I can't bring him out without getting counter swapped immediately.
He's so fun when I can do anything with him, whether or not it works, but I'm not allowed to have fun.
Enemy team when I'm Genji:
Zarya,Mei,Sym,Moira,Ana.
Genji doesn’t need a buff.
@@ascension0344 i think being able to cancel your ult, or making him less vulnerable while dashing would be good. Soujorn is crearly better and requires less skill
The Average Doomfist experience ladies n gentlemen… suffering 😂
This happens so much with tank swaps but the whole team can just counter swap 1 tank is a fundamental flaw in 5v5
Especially doesn't help how the game was built around 6vs6, look all I'm saying never felt like we had a counter swapping issue with 2 tanks
@@varlak9061 fax cause the other tank could easily mitigate the counter swap
@@varlak9061that's actually just wrong, if you played rein zarya and they didn't want to they'd play sigma orisa. You're just coping
@@ZaWrldo if we had this orisa in ow1 double shield easily wouldn't exist
@@milo4075rein sigma
The fact that comp is more casual that casual itself is something. I have genuinely enjoyed more of my ranked games than playing quick play.
“Im terrible!!!” - proceeds to essentially solo 4/5 people - never change flats 😂
Idk how Flats managed to keep on playing Doom through this .
I would’ve swapped off to another tank after a couple of deaths 😭
Flats “I’m not good”
Meanwhile casually killing their entire team lol
Gets challenged to a rein duel. Doesn't even notice.
FLAAAATS
I feel like Emperor Palpatine watching this. "Gooooood, let the hate flow through you"
What happened to the nano orisa at1:12? She got Nano’d and then it disappeared
when i hear donkey kong 64 music now all i can think about is playing overwatch... Thanks flats
Idk if ull see this but I love ur videos I’ve had them playing while I’m under the house fixing my busted pipes keep it up
THE ANA WAS SO CUTEEE 😭😭
also the guy that asked you for a rein 1v1 got ignored 💀
I'd ignore him too if he was asking for a Rein duel on Gibraltar when they're running Sombra/Lifeweaver/Bap.
@@AlexNight it the fact flats didn’t even acknowledge them though lmao
I get this pain, I can't tell you how many times I just wanna have fun with a character like Junkrat only for the enemies to instantly play something like Pharah after I kill them ONCE
But they also just want to have fun by winning, so instead of playing a certain character, they swap to something they can win with against you. I've never understood this argument, "I just want to have fun" so does everyone else, so if they feel like they can't have fun in that match up of course they'll change
@@marshallartsstudiosif they have fun winning they should play ranked
@ShinyJulian so you're not allowed to want to win in QP? That's wild.
@@marshallartsstudios nobody said that lol
@ShinyJulian well I have fun winning in QP but if I do I'm supposed to play ranked? Is that not what you said
This looks like my normal qp match to be honest. The best advice I can tell you is to embrace the pain
1:23 was way too funny, nice edit, I laugh but it huts
thats my reaction when I see a sombra or a junk silly in EVERY GAME
They had brig orisa at the start rip 4 the doom pick, then the Sombra pick to make your life hell lol. Literally the doom experience
"I'm better at ranged shots than close" me to flats me to.
I’ll never forget the time when I got a 4 kill quad feed with Ashe and then the entire enemy team all swapped to tanks with an Ana pocketing them. (This was before the open queue tank nerf)
As a ball player, even before ball was ‘meta’ getting a team of Sombra, Ram, Ana, and it’s a toss between bastion and solider
Basically “what will annoy tf out of tank” rn and it’s depressing.
Ball 🤝 Doom
Not having any counterplay to CC and hinders.
Typically I try not to counterswap. But I will say, if I'm just not having fun or not allowed to play the game because of what everyone initially walks out on, I'm counterswapping because I'd like to actually do something. I try not to hard counterswap like for example if I see a rein on the enemy team I'm not gonna go bastion or Orisa but I'll side grade swap to ramattra or soldier depending on the dps of the other team.
Counter swapping is not inherently bad. Quite the opposite. Problem is when things like this happen. 3 or more members of the enemy not only playing your direct counters, but actively looking for you. I think anyone who worries about swapping too much probably isn’t swapping too much. The people who need to settle down are the ones who are not afraid to swap 5 times if it’ll get them an elim on you.
@@shvrberiexactly it’s the people who play tank and instantly counterpick you. I once had a game where it was a 3 stack or something and all 3 of them would swap to my counter. Terrible round
@@shvrberiit’s in the game when you reward things other than mechanical skill like aim you get this garbage. I play CSGO maybe I’m coping cause I cannot get into GM on OW2 and I’m global and face it 10 on CS. And I cannot get into the top rank here maybe I suck at this game which is fine but emphasis on aim and mechanics is not as prevalent in this game compared to CS
This… this was the exact reason I fucking quit. You barely start doing okay in a game then everyone switches to fuck you and your team and then the fun is over and it has to get sweaty. And this is just QP.
yessss love flats doomfist gameplay
Friendly Tank exist*, enemy team: so i took that personally.
Kills entire team "I'm not even playing well!"
The thumbnail is exactly my experience. Just super hard countered as tank.
Everybody talking about these swaps but damn that Doom gameplay is really nice
Pov:OW1 only half of the enemy is trying to cc you
I get one decent headshot with widow and someone immediately swaps to sombra no one is safe 😭
how flats feels about the counter swap is how I feel getting constantly punched in the face by a doom. goes both ways
Thank you!!! Glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. You dang skippy I'm gonna Ana sleep dart you over and over!
@@MsNveeyou know you that makes you the dooms biggest target so he will be going after you waaaayyyy more lol
BRO I KNOW THAT AMONG US VR GUY YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT AT THE END ITS HILARIOUS
I still don't get why doom doesn't have armor. He has a giant mechanical fist thats about 40% - 45% of his silhouette. Mauga has armor and all he's got is a metal backpack and nipple tape
You committed the crime of trying to have fun in overwatch, so they sentenced you to this
4:50 it made a smiley face
It’s cute that you noticed that :)
what really makes me bummed out is that this is the experience that most new players will gravitate to cause they assume its the casual mode (me included)
meanwhile no limits is tucked away in arcade and constantly moving around cause, well its in the arcade for some reason
I can't imagine how many people got turned away from the game because of the "if this is casual what heckscape is competitive like?!" thought and eventual fun drain that quick play has become
This isnt even just a Streamer thing this is the tank experience itself, especially when playing Doom
Imagine if sombra hack was a skill shot and not a brain dead ability. Sombras would punch air.
The doom experience. Get a nice team to fight against. You do some plays. Then sombra, cassidy and ana show up with a mercy thats flying constantly.
this is what happens in quick play, enemy team starts losing a bit? they all counter till the person they deem carrying cry's in a corner.
i just logged on to do my daily quests, got counterswapped by 4/5 of their team in all 3 games, while having supports who just werent healing. First time i fully ragequit overwatch in quite a while! So this is very fitting.
Sometimes it feels like the enemy team is trying so hard in a qp game, and spamming so much that if you just pop your head out for a second, they immediately all aggro on you.
this is the average QP tank experience
That sombra doesnt deserve to have a cold sided pillow
This is EVERY game in QP for me. Their entire team swaps the second I get 3 kills.
I've noticed that players mainly counter swap in QP and not as much in Comp
Yeah we go in comp for practicing and going on QP for being try harder, you know ... (Im just like you i dont understand neither)
I have a running theory that QP players treat it more seriously because it only has one round. In comp you always get to try again, in QP if you lose, that's it, so people tend to be much more aggressive in trying to win. And because everyone treats counterpicking as THE way to win it's the first thing they do. Ironically I find I win way more against people who counterpick than the ones who stick to their first pick, it's just really annoying.
"They need to make ranked more competitive" kinda tough to do when players are counterswapping in QP
Ah, the average doom experience, getting the whole team counterswapping you, no matter your effectiveness, super fun
i swear every single game now has an orisa or sombra, i miss just being able to play the characters I want
I have a question. At 2:58 you pop doom ult, but your health doesn't regenerate. Is that a bug or because of EMP?
This was recorded before the Doomfist ult buff
My guess is that this is from a vod pre buff
The ego in calling this a streamer problem and not just a counter watch problem
I’ve picked up Phara again recently just to have a bit of a change and I’m extremely average with her, yet almost every single QP game the second you kill someone they switch to hitscan even if their team has multiple already.
It’s utterly miserable as a lot of games you get zero heals because if you’re not standing in front of support you don’t exist, but at the same time I’ve won a lot of matches by people wasting their time and swapping off hero’s who counter our tank.
Feel like it’s probably the same for ball players who have to face and endless horde of Sombras.
At least it's not like when you play Ball and then the enemy becomes Sombra/Tracer, Mei/Bastion/McCree, Brigitte, Mauga on you a minute in...
I can't be the only one noticing this is old gameplay.
omg when sombra appeared 😭
This how it feels to play Reinhardt, the moment I start dominating the other Reinhardt it’s the immediate swap to Orisa. What makes it worse, is they’ll already have an Ana Zen making it difficult now I gotta swap because I’m getting countered heavily
Flats. Everyone counters me in QP as Doom.
Usually after the first team wipe too. Tell OW devs to make an arcade mode where the Objective caps faster or pushes faster like the last Sombra mode but you can’t switch after you leave the room the first time. I’d 1000% play only that.
At least he didn't get the winton treatment.
Zen, ana, ram, tracer, bastion lineup
One of the core mechanics of Overwatch is the ability to counter.
I play QP to practice for comp at this point because I always have to play against my worst matchups (we love counter picking!).
It's just so easy to counter certain heroes that you have to ask yourself "struggle and potentially lose, or go Sombra and bully them?"
I had a game this week, in quick play, where the other tank swapped 6 times. I swapped once to hog lol
I dived a soldier as winston on 3rd point numbani, and his ass walked right back into spawn, looked me dead in my soul as he swapped reaper. Looking dead at me as he did it, most disrespected I've felt in QP in a long time
This is literally many of my overwatch games when I play genji starting the match just chilling and then the enemy team becomes the fun police and switches mei brig Orisa Moira sym and just makes it their mission to kill you
People don't know what fun is anymore in multiplayer games, they just want to win at any cost
Went into a match today, started as a widow dual, after 1 death, that widow dual turned into a hacker hunts a spider. Like bruh….you get diffed once and you immediately swap? I myself don’t find widow duals fun, but godamn, you wouldn’t see me bust out Sombra after dying once.
Flats did you know doomfist becomes invisible and untargetable while in ult but he is still there hence why he can't fit around the tree his his character hitbox is still the same size and he is on ground
This entire game is about counter swapping. So what’s the issue?
I don’t care if it’s qp or comp, I’m going to swap to the most logical character. I’m playing to win, not to play “walking from spawn simulator.” Regardless if it’s qp or comp, I don’t think people like to lose 15 matches in a row and are 1-20 in the matches. 😂😂😂
I was thinking the exact same thing, people want to win and no one wants to lose haha. If you enjoy winning then teams will always swap to counter, even if it’s QP. It’s the same across every fps, there’s a reason everyone runs the ‘meta’ weapons, Loadouts, heroes etc. Can complain about it all they want but it’s always gonna happen so may as well get used to it!
Damn I must be THE streamer because everyone just instantly swaps to counter just me specifically
Me: Just vibing on DVa
Enemy team right after lost fight: Zarya, Symmetra, Mei
Flats the Sombra is just trying to be lore accurate, she's the boss now!
I want flats Doomfist arc in comp next season
i think someone saw your stream from this video and just goes solo emping dooms all around, last tuesday i basically used all my abilities to get to point in OT only to be EMPied for the third time that match solo, surrounded by 5 enemy players.
1:06 TIL Nano from Duplicate ends immediately if Echo is removed from Duplicate. Does this apply if Duplicate times out? Moreover, does this occur for other (support) ultimates?
"playing Sombra" should be a viable reason to report someone.
LOL Flats knows Griffmass too. His videos are hilarious.
that sombra is literally me fr
When i started playing for the first time in months, i started learning tank counterpicks in 3 games without even watching a video because everytime id switch, half the enemy team would.
Honestly probably should have played MH.
Yeah I was trying out genji a few days ago cause he’s so fun and really cool but I was being hard counterpicked, like moira, symmetra and mei, sometimes even a Zarya (all in one game). (It’s we don’t forget) 😢😢
I know this pain too well
This honestly just looks like a normal QP game, I played Genji, won a fight, and the enemy team swapped to mercy Moira sym and sombra, I had fun
1:36 Absolutely nothing. Just because it's not ranked doesn't mean they don't want to win.
I noticed that DF wasn't healing during the ult , was it removed or this is an old clip?
I’m always dealing with counter the zarya. If I play any other character I either get sombra bullied or yelled at by my team. And when I go zarya they literally change their entire team.
I love going 5/2 and not ranking up and then going 5/4 and disconnecting from one game and deranking.
Is he talkin' about Griffmass at the end?
I love how you can get casual game endless your in arcade, and you will still find try hard there too
legitimately not allowed to play any tank in any gamemode without getting hard countered