Black Belt Teaches White Belt a Painful Rolling Lesson
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- Опубліковано 20 гру 2024
- Today we have a question from a 1-Stripe White Belt, who we will call Bob.
He is a former Wrestler who got into BJJ, and he was pretty good at it, and the other day he was rolling with a blackbelt in the room.
Well, he tells me that he is pretty competitive, and during the roll, at some point, he got a little rough with the black belt.
Well, the black belt didn't like that and decided he was going to put it on Bob. The Black Belt wasn't a jerk about it after the roll and even told Bob that this was basically a teachable moment and they moved on.
Bob felt really sorry after the roll, not meaning to roll too rough with anyone, including the Black Belt...
But, after some thought, Bob got pretty upset about the way the Black Belt handled things, seeing as he wasn't trying to be disrespectful.
Bob wants to know if I think he's being unreasonable and how I interpret situations like this in BJJ.
Chewy
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I thought we all universally welcomed getting our asses kicked in the beginning? There’s always someone more skilled, stronger, or both. It’s appreciated when they let you work for sure. It’s also appreciated when they full on dismantle you just so you have a sense of reality in terms of where you currently stand.
I’ve rolled with a ton of aggressive people over the years, usually ends with me riding knee on belly for the remainder of the round. Helps calm them down a bit and their next rolls are usually a bit more gentle.
Knee on belly usually gets people to simmer down 😂 that or going north south with that heavy pressure
Lol. I hate knee on belly, and it seems like my instructor is the only one who ever does it to me😂
Dude, you are just been educated without words, and that's a powerful lesson. Now if you don't get it, maybe you need more. It is not cool when you are an advanced player and you are giving them space to work and they try to literally rip your head
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Black belt here: I absolutely "check" white belts from time to time. Especially the rambunctious ones. You have to understand how many thousands of white belts/new grapplers we've delt with over the years. I 💯 agree with chewy with his assessment 👏
We appreciate you using your experience and expertise to calm the spazzy people. And little do they know, they'll be a lot better when they take a breath and start to consume jiu jitsu instead of just "trying to win" the individual roll. Marathon. Oss
I had to rough up one of my ex students a few years ago because he was hurting people and being a d!(k. Unfortunately, although he messaged me and asked why I went so hard on him (and I told him why) he didn't learn from it and kept doing the same thing. After a couple more rough ups, he started asking me why he hasn't got his blue belt and complaining that he wanted his stripe even though he didn't show up at the grading, I terminated his membership and told him he isn't welcome back at my gym. Sometimes they just don't learn...
I've been corrected without any verbal follow up. I stewed on it but neither of us said anything, even though I wanted to. Now he's helped me a good bit with my practice. It's good I believe it happened the best way it could've. Violence based sports are best practiced with control and restraint. The corrective adjustment by the team/coach are violent, naturally.
I find myself doing the exact opposite even after 2 years on the mat. I'm a 42 yo white belt and weightlifter and I get concerned if I accidentally hit someone. Almost to the point of not wanting to be aggressive because we all have to go to work tomorrow. Therefore I worry about accidentally knicking someone in a roll. At this point i am enjoying learning the self defense part of the Gracie white to blue curriculum and not really worrying about the competitive side of it as much. I could live with being a crappy sporty grappler if I could be a black belt in the self defense side of it.
Key part of this “42 years old” you’ve figured it out man and not allowing your ego to win over your progress, keep at it man!!!
Started the week after my 42nd birthday this year, and I usually have 50+ lbs on the next biggest guy on the mat at my gym. Possibly the same mentality, as I've even caught myself taking weight off a position the other guy put themselves in unless I know the result will be safe.
The advantage is that it seems to have my intended result, where people at my gym see rolling with me as a challenge as opposed to a risk.
Im a 2 year white belt. I had the same concern a few months ago. Not wanting to hurt people with uncontrolled movement. I spent a few weeks just flow rolling getting confident with the movement then when I turned it up afterwards I felt so much more control and my teammates said I better to roll with
@grogblue as somebody who typically rolls with bigger and stronger guys (yes technically better too lol) we appreciate you taking it easier on us. If you didn't, we would avoid you. I really think it makes you work on skill and technique (which we are all learning) and not use so much of what we already know (I am heavy, strong, etc, I can smash this person any time I'm in trouble and the fight is done)
I'd love to roll with you, brother. I just turned 44, been a blue belt for a year, and I play safely as well. I never smash the smaller dudes and I could, but instead I let them work and use it as an opportunity to work on escaping and playing guard. In fact I let most white and blue belts start on top of me. Bonus, it's so much more satisfying to earn the sub by escaping, sweeping, passing, and controlling. I don't want to get my purple belt without having a guard that is really hard to deal with.
IFeel like Chewy has watched me train this past week. Went with a 23 wrestler last night ( I'm almoat 49.) He's only been training for 2 weeks. Before the roll I asked if he ever wrestled. He hesitated but admitted it. I sit so he can work and he goes HARD the whole time. Gave him the old sweep and smother special after that. Kinda felt bad for the kid. 🤷♂️
The fact the dude almost didn't own up to the wrestling thing means he got what he got.
People ask me this all the time and I hesitate too. I wrestled 2 years. Ages 6 and 7. I am a fraud if I say I am a wrestler. But a liar if I don't.
@@jonnyguitar747Agree, as a former wrestler. In wrestling you go full attack for 6-7 minutes, otherwise you get called for stalling. It's a mental shift you have to make to slow down for your average roll.
@@dcn92123 it's perspective I guess. We have a 13 yo state level wrestler in the club so keeping that quiet is probably not cool. God help us when puberty really gets going for him. But for someone who did it as a child and never did it after probably not a big concern. It's like me showing up to a novice lifting comp in the masters class and then smoking everything in sight and omitting I am a former competition lifter who just happens to be in the masters 1 class. That would probably not be cool.
Should never feel bad for an encounter like that while training on the mats; he's aggressive, which most wresting background people are as they are trained that way via wrestling. Perhaps, next time you 2 roll, give less availability for the 1st half of the round and make him work harder and tail-off your pressure nearing the end; by the end of the round he should have a little better comprehension of how to fluctuate his temperament with different partners.
I love how you always offer your advice based on your own humble experience. You never forget you were once a white belt.
Man I can relate to this topic... some guys have ego's and have to learn to humble themselves.. great topic.. train hard but be safe!
I think we were all that spazzy white belt til we got a taste of our own medicine 😂😂😂
Interesting perspecitves as always! And I recognize the Ernest Becker books in the back. Those 2 are my favorites. Great reads!
I really enjoyed his work
Absolutely fantastic advice! I totally like the focus on the “ending.” 100% accurate. That black belt is not pissed anymore because he understands. Also, Chewy, you’re right, we’re too soft.
Not a super competitive guy, but I remember rolling with one of my sensei and must’ve bumped him or something during the roll. He proceeded to absolutely dominate me for the remainder of our rolls that night.
More recently the same sensei had me as one of his tops after a surgery because I’m not someone he has to be overly cautious with
Try not to break your arm, patting yourself on the back. . .
@@Sam_Iamknoteeuuwww handbags at dawn
Yup, it's necessary. Polite and humble people generally agree to "rough roll", they don't just do it to someone without their consent. If you start acting like an animal and injuring your teammates or Sensei because you have no technique and you're not even aware of it, then that's your problem. When you train in a dojo, it's not a street fight. You do have to be aware of where your elbows are, you do have to be aware of where your knee is going, you do have to be aware where their balls are when you knee-slice. In a real fight, of course, you make your opponent as uncomfortable as possible because your life might be in danger. In the dojo, you're just training to be good at BJJ, not to be a violent mess.
Some people just don't have self-awareness, and they definitely don't have situational awareness.
Great response Chewy!
I'm a four stripe white belt, and as such, I ask every belt above me to not go easy on me and destroy me the first time we roll. I don't know what I don't know and getting demolished gives me ample opportunities to ask questions after the roll. It's the best learning experience for me.
The only time I've had anyone try and rough me up is when I constantly try Ric Flair Figure 4's and pump out too many wooooo's, they're probably jealous...
Man I love your channel and all of the knowledge that you are able to share
"Was that necessary?" Super necessary. I've been on both ends of the scales of mat justice over the years. The "behaviour check" is a valuable tool.
I prefer the upper ranks roll hard with me since it helps me to identify weaknesses (of which there are many!) For instance, I am aware that often times the higher ranks (purple and up, typically) will not fully commit to a submission. But, at least occasionally, I will not be able to differentiate between them letting lose and me successfully avoiding the submission. Don't get me wrong, though. I am quite pleased to train at a gym where we all look out for each other!
You don't get better by going hard....you'll get stronger, faster, and more explosive by going hard, but you get better by working more, and if you want to work more, you need to become efficient. That's why you'll see higher belts do just enough to be ahead of you, they use technique instead of physicality where they can because that means less injuries, which translates into more rounds, more drills, more mat time....that's how they get better. Save your "competitiveness" for competition or for preparation to it with a partner who is willing and aware. Regular practice is for becoming better, not testing yourself.
This is a super solid perspective on this matter. Some lessons are learn verbally and some are learned physically. The white belts needs to take both in stride. I am a white belt and I try to take it all in as an opportunity for learning. Remember not all pain is bad.
Chewy is such an exemplary coach, balanced perspective always. 🤙
I'm a white belt (3 months), when I make mistakes, perhaps an accidental elbow, or grabbing their fingers out of instinct, I apologize right away and let my partner know it wasn't intentional. I think it's important to make each other feel respected, valued, and safe while practicing, because we are in this together, learning and growing as a team.
It's a good thing, from time to time, to have those brutal shots, cause pure grappling dives us into comfort zone with a false sense of confidence. Now when you know what getting nailed by an accidental elbow, or knee or even a head is all about, you can check your grappling board and check mark on it.
This was a surprisingly insightful video.
This is a good opportunity for Bob to get in touch with his anger and figure it out. Anger is a secondary emotion. We get angry because we are hungry, or because we are sad, or embarrassed, or ashamed. Etc. Really do a deep dive and figure out exactly where the anger is coming from.
"Was that necessary?"
Yes. If it's bothering you now your ego is still deeply invested. You need several more of these to get it out of your system. Your coach did the kindest thing he could possibly have done for you.
I agree. Can't get mad when someone matches your energy.
This is it 👏👏 his ego got smashed and I bet coach didn’t even break a sweat … and now guys feelings are hurt 😂😂says he didn’t mean to be spazzy.. but he didn’t try not to be spazzy. You have to be an idiot to think you stand a chance against a black belt.. like what do you thinks going to happen? Seriously
@@2130dar Yep! I run into it all the time from white belts, most blue belts, and even some purple belts. They just WILL not slow down and treat every roll like it's a dog fight.
Then wonder why their technical skills never seem to develop...
@@2130dar did you watch the video he said he made the coach tryhard and start slamming him obv the coaches ego was bruised
Good video, agree with the points.
In full contact sports like BJJ or judo which has a heavy emphasis on sparring (rolling, randori etc.) accidents can happen, such as unintentional strikes to someone's head with one's feet, hands, head etc. and most of the time, people often apologize quickly. However, there are certainly some people out there who are quite competitive (or want to be competitive) and/or feel like they have something to "prove".
Earlier this year, I trained at a judo club where I did ne-waza randori (groundwork sparring, like rolling) with an eager blue belt. I'm a blackbelt, and was a visiting guest to this club. The activity to set-up the groundwork was that we were to be deliberately thrown to the ground, then once on ground, we would engage in groundwork. This person said "let's go light", and he threw to me to the floor with a gentle throw, but as soon as I was down, he came at me with high intensity, as if it were a competitive match.
I did not like this, so when I attended the next session later that week, we did groundwork again, and when I paired up with this same blue belt, I just thought "Right mate, you gave it to me 110% last time, so here's my 110%" and I let him have it. After strangling (or choking) him about three times, he asked if we could slow down. I pointed out that hey, you went hard on me last time, you showed me you wanted to work, so let's get to work.
I have been involved in similar situations where I might be working with a "white belt" in judo, who has experience in something like BJJ, MMA or wrestling, and they're competitive (or want to be competitive). I know we shouldn't make assumptions, but in my opinion, if you're working with a white belt in a training environment, you shouldn't go hard on them. At the end of the day, you want this person to come back and to continue training, that is a good thing! They will learn next to nothing if you just smash 'em. But... going easy can sometimes lead some people to assume that you're weak, not good at the sport and that they're "better" than you, and they'll just come at you with everything they've got in an effort to "best" you, even in just a training environment. I hate doing it, but sometimes, you do have to put someone in their place and "check" them.
As a blue belt, former wrestler, but not a legendary one by any means at all, I’ve started doing this thing when I pair up with a new white belt. And by new, I mean new to me, meaning I’ve never paired with them, never drilled with them, never rolled with them. So before we start a roll, I will ask them if there are any positions they want to work, or any particular techniques they’re hoping to get some practice on. And when they reciprocate the question, I tell them a position or maybe I won’t, depending on the day, and also throw in, “oh, and don’t be spazzy”, mostly light-heartedly, but also serious. At my gym that has gone over well every time and proven useful so far. Being in my 40s, I’m not interested in some errant zigzag spazziness leaving me injured. And if they get spazzy I’ll remind them once. After that, any more and I find a time to end the roll. There’s always another roll the next day, but only if I’m not injured.
As a 45 yo white belt, I love to roll with the higher belts. It’s not so frantic or jittery, like rolling with younger WB. I guess I am sort of old school because everything I heard sounded like a good occurrence. If you go to compete, you better expect someone else will do the same. If you lack the skill that your enthusiasm brings, expect a skillful and similarly enthusiastic response. It’s all good. Sounds more like ego work than BJJ, but that’s just my $.02
I was a purple belt in karate and the only time I hit a lower belt's face ( unintentionally) was when he accelerated his pace and kept coming without worrying about the counter attack. Now I'm a brown bjj belt, and the most frequent advice I give to white belts is slow down during the roll
You want to have fights/hard rounds in the gyms; just tell people and you will have willing participants for those hard rounds.
Going into fightmode in training without any warning will turn stuff _ugly_.
Communication people.
Very true. if you've been at a school long enough you should know who you are sparring with and their style. I'm not an aggressive roller. It's not in my nature. Probably explains why I generally get smashed by just about everyone as I just don't have that aggressive gear. But I know who I am rolling with and what to expect.
You really nailed my experience on both sides.
I accidently elbowed our instructor a couple days ago, he didn't go super hard on me, but I apologized immediately. But I think a stray elbow, knee or foot happens from time to time with most people.
The sign above the entrance to many academies states “check your ego at the door”. Are you going to be wearing the Gi and Belt in a self defense situation on the broken glass and asphalt? Let them turn up the heat and pressure to turn you into a diamond. If you train any combatives (which I suggest you do, Raw Combat International for instance) and any striking art, I promise you will get worked. Which “teaches” you things like how to protect yourself from an inbound rifle but. Those reflexes that we develop are Gold. Many of my best lessons have come from people who are very experienced in their art, absolutely checking me physically.
Dude my coach is a BKFC fighters and has some fights in another promotion I can’t remember but he’s 260 and a fantastic coach. Every time he absolutely dogs me or anything I always say thank. Never any bad blood in our gym. Gotta leave the ego out. Does it suck yes. But every time the half hug and thank you coach
I literally witnessed this in my own gym, it was done to an overzealous blue belt who always kneed people in the nuts during his knee slice passes.
My coach got dinged in the berries and said, “let’s fuckin go then!” And put a five minute beating on him.
Knee slice to the balls is a nut cracker choke 😂
Dinged in the berries lmao
Great insight as as usual. Thank you
Cry more lol. He wants to go hard thinking he has a shot of winning, cool. He can enjoy getting ragdolled. Super necessary.
Spot on advise. Sounds like he got a minor attitude adjustment and in the future might be the one tasked with giving attitude adjustments to the lower ranks as they come up.
It sounds like he did a great job. He didn't become violent or yell or anything. He just ramped it up a bit without injuring. Gave you the all good pat, and told the dude what he did, and that was it. No hard feelings, just a lesson. Handled it perfectly in my opinion
haven't been your channel long time as haven't trained in long time but still as good as ever
My jiu jitsu instructor is also my taekwondo instructor. He doesn't give me anywhere near as much leeway as other white belts because I'm a black belt in taekwondo. Usually when he turns up the heat it's because I'm not moving out of bad positions. After about 100 knee on belly placements, I figured that I didn't like it that much, and now we can roll more continuously. Take notes from the higher ranking belts in your class, you can learn from them.
I love these videos because it gives some really good insights and information that you sometimes have to learn the hard way.
Physical Checks are necessary. 100% agreed.
I used to be at a "competition (focused) gym". I was 43 when I started and every roll seemed to be "life or death". It took me forever to learn things because practicing what we were shown that day wasn't what happened during rolling, but rather "how many points can I get"?
I had a knee replacement at 45 (not related to BJJ injuries, about 6 months after getting my blue belt) and didn't return to BJJ until last summer at 58 years old.
I'm at a self-defense oriented, cooperative-rolling gym now and we get many more opportunities to work the new techniques while rolling because the impetus for point scoring isn't there.
That said, new white belts are a challenge because they always seem to roll, "life or death", and awkwardly. (Maybe my being almost 60 has something to do with it as they're almost all 15++ years younger than I am.)
I find I'm having to try to verbally "talk them down" or, if that doesn't work, show them that I'm letting them pass guard, have an arm/choke, etc so they can practice and that they haven't earned it and that they can be dominated if the intensity is turned up. For the most part I find it only has to happen once or twice so they understand.
Regardless, I find it much more rewarding at my new gym compared to my old gym and I'm advancing far faster.
Thanks for the great vids!
I think the biggest reason white belts(brand new people) go hard is because they don't know anything and to them they are just trying to survive and the "fight" mode kicks in.
I just recently read "Breathe" by Rickson Gracie, incredible book. But I remember he said his father (If I remember correctly) had like 40 beginner lessons where they wouldn't even roll. After that they were allowed to go to the regular class. Which makes sense...
If the white belts were going regularly to beginner classes and learning basic concepts, I don't think they would go as hard as they do.
Also, not picking on you lol, but there's no reason to go balls out with your training partner and forget all the jiu jitsu you learned. That's not what you should be doing. And also your training partner is not your opponent. Again, not picking on you etc.
@@camonly849 I think you misunderstood what I said. I don't START that way, but try to verbally explain to them that they aren't really accomplishing anything. If that doesn't work, then I'll go "harder" by baiting, sweeping, submitting them a few times at a higher intensity (lower than theirs, but higher than what I usually roll at with white belts). If they still don't get the message, then I'll disengage from rolling with them because I don't want to get hurt. At almost 60, it's a constant worry because it takes at least 2-4 times longer to heal than when I was 45 (first started), much less when I was in my 20s and 30s. Not to mention that I only have about 1-3 "bursts" during any given roll, so my pace is usually quite "sedate". You'll understand when you get to be my age... 😉😂
I understand WHY white belts roll hard/spaz out (they haven't learned to leave their ego at the door, especially the "young bucks"). I'm just saying that trying to talk them into a more learning mindset doesn't always work.
@GlueFactoryBJJ ya I completely misunderstood you. I'm sorry. I thought you were saying you rolled hard and were always fighting to death. Completely got it wrong 🤣.
Ya I never get why people go hard. They do need to let their ego go. They must feel like they have something to prove or impress someone. Could be there for the wrong reasons.
Hey you are doing way more than most people at 60. You keep doing that and you should live a long time! Cudos man!
@@camonly849 No problem.
I agree it's probably ego. Been there, done that. "Everyone is the hero of their own story." That old saying is more true than we'd like to think, even when we THINK we're being humble. In the back of our mind, we hear the whisper that we can beat expectations and tap our "opponent", rather than work our technique, even if it means we get swept.
Nothing like letting yourself. (or maybe not "letting") get swept or tapped by white belts while working on something to keep that ego demon at bay.
Of course, communication about "earned" vs "given" achievement feedback while rolling can also help keep ego-driven white belts a bit more humble. It helps their development. Even if "given", that they saw it and took advantage is an achievement.
Have fun rolling!
The white belt videos are the best … just sayin I look forward to these vids in particular
I learned the same lesson in Judo in a similar way: take care of your training partner.
All very legit and necessary. If you’re there to compete or show your style is better rather than actually learn Jiu Jitsu learn then there’s a line. If you go into a wrestling gym and start kicking people or thumping or doing things that are unacceptable then you’d get the same treatment.
I got my nose broken about 2 months back rolling with a higher belt. He was just popping in from another school but he would come every now and then so he’s not a complete unknown at my gym. He’s also a police officer. We were rolling and he’s the kinda guy that flow rolls and is a good partner until you get him in a bad position and then he turns into a day 1 white belt for fear of anyone seeing him getting bested by a lower belt. I armdragged him from guard and was coming up on his back. He threw both of his arms back in an uncontrolled spaztastic way just trying to grab something and he elbowed me square in the nose. Broke it. Bloody mess. If I hadn’t had rolls like the video says with my instructor my ego wouldn’t have been able to take it. I remember being that spaz and ego maniac during the session end rolls. It’s not a bad thing unless you can’t control it.
Check in constantly woth your partner
"Super necessary" - Jorge Masvidal
My only question is, what exactly dose it mean for a BB (Black Belt) to "rough you up"? For examaple, dose it mean that they would "elbow them back", or would just put a lot of top pressure on them?
cross face ... knee on belly , boston crab , face smother ...u can make a partner life miserable easy
@@gamesthatmatter9374 Thanks
Sounds like a good instructor teaching a positive lesson to me.
I've become much more willing to do as this black belt did, in the past couple years. I'm younger, and thus feel rather comfortable in poor positions. But I've also found some white belts take advantage of my being casual. There was one dude I used to train with who would always go balls to the wall with everyone, and I mean everyone. I would go in casually, and he was trying to rip my head off. After this happening a few times, I was chatting with a few black belt buddies, and they all admitted that they smash him every time. I don't know why it took me so long to come to that conclusion, but I certainly apply it now.
Here's something people need to consider the gym is the black belts livelihood, his body is his tools. If he gets hurt that affects his ability to work. If a white belt hurts another gym member that could be lost revenue. So like it or not people need to be checked. And beyond the black belt most of the people are hobbiest who have day jobs they need to go to. So somebody with that competitive streak needs to know when it's appropriate to go hard. Sign up for tournaments. Discuss before hand with your partner. But frankly for your own good how long can you keep it up for? I can train five days in a row because I don't go crazy. I monitor what positions I'm in. I work technique not power. And I don't mind "losing" a round. If you go hard and "win" because of your strength did you get better at jits?
You get what you give. Fair is fair. Suck it up, control yourself, and learn the lesson.
Spazs need to realize what upper belts can do everytime they roll. That purple/brown/black belt is generally rolling light and letting then work. They are trying to help. Smashing so they chill out will only help them in the long run.
It is called matching your intensity. If you start to go hard w/o experience or wisdom…you become dangerous to your training parters. If I want to ensure I can make it to work the next day and not have my rib popped are eye elbowed….a little knee on belly or superman from mount is a great way to slow things down.
I’m a month and a half in and I like think doing pretty well(mainly against white belts) so I was trying push the pace the first time I rolled with my professor.Then I throw my leg right into his bottom lip and busted it a little he then summited me with a mothers milk then two nasty triangles. After tho I definitely knew where I stood in jujitsu and definitely knew I need to work on control and being a better rolling partner
The mother's milk is the most punishing submission.
I personally am A Ok with people doing this to me, I have an ego just like everyone else and I am competitive so I end up getting carried away but I NEVER want to hurt people. So when I get out of control you can kick my butt and let me know I am going to crazy.
I got this lesson taught to me by a former USMC Scout Sniper. He needs to count himself lucky.
I had a purple belt violently sisscor sweep me yesterday and I'm a 1 stripe white belt. I told the guy I was injured, so I don't know why he was going full speed on me, but I left immediately afterwards due to my neck being whiplash, so the philosophy that only white belts are spazzy is untrue and skill level does not equate to your belt color.
Its always best in rolling for the lower belt to set the pace of the round
I’ve been “accidentally” kneed , elbowed, kicked, in the face by spazzing white belts so the rest of the roll isn’t fun for them. Sometimes a verbal warning works but most times getting smashed works way better eventually they learn or they quit.
Not my style, but a physical reminder that you need to be able to reign it in isn't a bad thing. If someone isn't turning it on and you're elbowing them or roughing them up and instructor(s) let you know that you're not fitting the culture...get the clue. Part of the skill in advancement is being able to adjust the level to what is appropriate to the specific situation. If you're offended by that, you're probably in the wrong - at least for the culture they have in that gym.
My coach regularly does this to me. It’s good for me. It helps me monitor my progress. My coach is a childhood friend. I love the guy. We are just hairless apes. It’s in our dna to establish a pecking order. If your ego won’t allow you to see this for what it is you’re not progressing in bjj or as a human like you should be
From the words of Masvidal, “Super necessary.”
Hey young wrestlers. When rolling with a Black Belt you are the temperature and they are the mercury.
As a black belt going with white belts I only go as hard as they go. But don’t look like a kid who’s had his puppy stolen when you bring that over aggression with no technique and get the soul absolutely smashed from your body. No one get more upset about getting smashed than young wrestlers.
PS, most black belts also have wrestled/Judo/MMA as well and all those tools come out when you want to try to turn up the heat. Lick your wounds, learn your lessons, and keep training.
That was yesterday, carry on with your life.
Man, you get a LOT of questions from Bob
Wrestlers that go hard in a BJJ class are the worst. The only saving grace is they stick their head and neck out, well, everywhere. "Bob" doesn't think he did anything wrong - I'm sure he feels that way. It's not wrestling, Bob. We're doing something else. If you're not going to simmer down the gym enforcer will do it for you. And I support that 100%.
I think a verbal warning the first time would have been better, and then if that didnt correct things, a controlled beat down would have been better. A lot of people need that physical lesson, but not everyone. Trying to verbally correct the situation before physically correcting it might have save some pain on both sides.
Rolled with a purple as a white (still am fwiw) and we were a couple or 3 minutes into the roll. Not taps by either of us.
I know he was cat n mouse’n me, but found my self in a position to attempt an Americana, which of course i tried to capitalize and also of course was unsuccessful. He got away from it and had me tapping in about 10~20 more seconds….idk. Bow and arrow or paper cutter, maybe? Dont remember.
But do remember i unlocked his superpowers😂, said as much and we laughed about it. It was a fun roll and he didnt rag doll me. But did make sure that i knew HE was in charge of the roll. Haha.
I personally love those moments. You get some work in, but also are made aware of how long the journey is.
I never got the tap on the shoulder, just a sprained Misc.
Great answer
all regular. Good answer Chew
In jiu-jitsu training, there exists a certain element of trust. And as it's been said, trust must be earned. Yes, accidents will always happen, but training partners and teammates should be doing what they can to reasonably protect each other. Upper belts will usually understand this intuitively, but white belts have to learn it. Sometimes they have to learn it the hard way (within reason). I've encountered many white belts trying to play the "newbie" card, but then they go all friggin' crazy and spaz out to level 10. But it seems odd to me that a white belt thinks they can be "competitive" against a black belt (or any other upper belt for that matter). You can roll hard and still be respectful. IMO, the white belt who wrote this letter to Chewy just needs to take his licks and act better next time.
The white belt WAS disrespectful. When you roll, you should look after your training partner. If you aren't consciously trying to not injure your partner, then you're being disrespectful.
Also LOL @ rolling competitively and whining when your rolling partner does the same.
I rolled with someone he pulled my hair so i almost chocked him unconscious and almost broke his arm. Just yesterday I rolled with one of those I'm bigger so I can just overpower you type of peaple all strength and no technique I knew he was one of those people I think that's why the coach told me specifically to go with him maybe he was rough with one of the new peaple i tried to have a friendly convo before we begin but he basically told me to shut up and roll we started I I know he would go for a take down and putt all his strength into it so I gave him a single leg and defend it until he was exhausted then he let go and I took his back as soon as I did he started struggling like I was about to kill him he tried grabbing my head but couldn't so he ended up pulling some of my hair out of the tie I had ot in I wasn't mad about that but we were on our sid I still had his back I got my one arm under his neck and the other he was fighting at this time the stran of hair was from the front of my head and touching the mat then on purpose he puts his hand exactly where my hair strain was a and pulled it we both heard the hair clearly rip from my head he didn't say my bad no sorry no nothing and I know it was on purpose because he stopped fighting the one arm just to pull my hair so after I was really angry and chocked him with all my strength had him tap a bit extra too but after he taped instead of addressing what happened he just wanted to keep going so I took it personally the next round I got him with a armbar that I'm pretty shur hurt and the rounds after that I had his back every round almost got him with a back triangle and the last one I wanted to get him with a painful face crush but ran out of time he's lucky
question: does smashing a spazzy white belt with agression just motivate them to do that to other white belts? like seeking revenge on the other white belts for what a higher belt did to them? not sure if that makes sense, cause in there head they may be thinking "this is what the black belt guy did to me so now i will smash this white belt in a similar way"
I am new to BJJ, came from a Judo and TKD, boxing and wrestling back ground from 45+ years ago. At 70 I studied Krav Maga and in all of these disciplines one might find the guy who enjoys trying to hurt someone. That person needs to be dealt with harshly. Striking is not part of BJJ training but if you are struck you should strike back.
"relatively soft" - understatement of the century.
$100 Bob rolls like that with all of his teammates and this was one of those lessons. New wrestlers are interesting in BJJ. They think they can just smash actual new grapplers without hesitation and then they make excuses when experienced upper belts smash them back. If you have years of experience wrestling, roll hard with teammates with similar time or more in BJJ.
Also stop and apologize immediately any time you do something spazzy (scratch, elbow, knee) to anyone. Especially your professor.
I did the whole, left my leg dangling thing with a white belt and learned the hard way. It's probably going to be a rough roll for that kid next time we roll and probably any other time lol.
If you're going hard enough and wildly enough to annoy a black belt, imagine how your lower ranked teammates feel rolling with you. And they aren't as well-equipped to keep you from injuring them as the black belt is.
Do people NOT apologize when they accidentally whack someone? Man, I always check in on that and apologize.
He needed that physical check he most likely came in being a wild man and needed that teaspoon of his own medicine.
The Golden Rule really applies when rolling.
Sounds like Bob got big brother'd tbh. Par for the course in combat sports...
Anyone with a brother knows that there are some conversations that can be had between brothers, where no words are exchanged but a message was delivered
This was probably one of those times
I think things played out exactly as it should've. The whitebelt received some small ouches in return for giving some. Our teachers are almost like martial arts parents to us. If we have a sound and respectful relationship with them sometimes a
"correction" comes our way, just to give perspective. Kind of like a momma dog gives their pups a nip to let them know what's okay and what isn't once in a while. The blackbelt teacher ended the rolling with reassurance, should've been end of story. If it ended in a true injury that's another matter but we all know what we signed up for. Remember, steel sharpens steel.
Black belt was 100% right , it's a good lesson for him . receipts are an important part of training
Man, I obviously wasn't there for this incident, but even as just a purple belt, I know this isn't how I'd treat a white belt, no matter what. If you're a black belt and can't manage to control a spazzy white belt, that's on you. One of the highest compliments I've gotten recently was from a very small female white belt (like 100lbs or less), who said that rolling with me feels "like being rocked to sleep." I've been told the same by huge dudes as well. Sounds like this black belt needs a stronger control game.
If you've been warned several time to calm down though, that's different. Chin check.
Wrestlers need to be smashed early on, you're doing them a disservice if you don't, otherwise they rough up the other white belts (who quit) and they themselves quit about 6 months in when they realized they have to stop wrestling and "start over" to get better
@@mikeyp266 I agree that they need to be shown the way, but I don't usually do that by smashing them. I find it to be a much better example when I can rock them to sleep while they try to smash ME, to show them that jiujitsu does work if you do it right.
You should always communicate a hard roll with your partner and get agreement before you start.
Hey I guess question, don’t wanna take time away from like better questions. But I’ve been doing no gi bjj for a very short time. And my teacher told me I’ve got great instincts and that i try to have technique, but I weigh like 130 at the very very most. So he’s like I’ll naturally gain weight and get get better. But is there anything I can do besides just becoming stronger? I can respond to any and every question. I don’t lift at all or anything.
Every white belt is worried they are the first spazz the upper belts have encountered.
I’m always apologizing.
Going into side control i might bring my knee up too fast and put a knee into their side.
Not damage but i know it hurt.
So I’m constantly apologizing.
Thing I’ve got an issue with.
Seems like most of the upper belts are out to damage us.
Purple and up.
A room full of white belts, and they want to put an arm bar on like there’s a minute left in a world’s competition.
Really??
I got work tomorrow.
I’ve had too many unfun experiences.
When i roll with new people I’ll stop and tell them how they messed up and let them perform the move on me.
my first day in BJJ, I accidentally kicked my coach in the nose with the heel of my foot while I was trying to scramble out of guard lol😂