A matter of ego for the black belt and lack of education for the blue. Black should have tapped, educated, and moved on. You are rolling on the mat together in your school. Spread the knowledge that helps everyone become better training partners.
@Sid Sidney if he was a wrestling champ I wonder how much of the dirty tactics he left out for sparring haha. Not to diss you by any means, just that in wrestling we are taught a hell of a lot of pain compliance to get our moves in, but unless coach was specifically drilling something it was a dick move to use too much. For example, I manage to get legs in but can't quite get a rear naked in due to you turtling your neck? Pulling back while I dig my knuckle in just next to the spine in the back of your neck loosens most guys up.
It's ego for the blue belt too. He sounds like an asshole. The dude's an athletic 6'5" 240lbs and he's cranking on a guy neck who weighs 70lbs less. He's doesn't even need jiujitsu! He's so huge nobody's going to fuck with him. His motivation isn't coming from a good place. Maybe he can change but if not, he should stop training.
Agree...some of these guys seem comfortable with themselves and odor. Also I could never get past the condition of the mats. That constant thought of God only knows what's growing on here?!
jdamagedgoods this happened to me recently. I’m a beginner white belt and I just recently started learning. The guy that I was sparring with was indeed at a higher level but his body odor was just too much. I would just purposely tap to get his horrible smell off of me man. I wanted to tell him but I didn’t want to be rude. Next time he smells bad I’ll let him know because it’s just way too gross of a smell to spar with someone like that.
Ha Ha thats a weak reason not to roll with someone. Im a new BJJ whitebelt, and there are some guys that I train with who have bad body odor, I still roll with them, simply because the knowledge in their heads is more important than a few minutes of uncomfortable smell. If you dont roll with someone becauase they smell a little, (and at the gymn lol), you need to toughen up chief.
100% Ego. Whatever belt you both are, don't be too proud to tap. And a Black Belt should be the one with responsibility when sparring with a Blue Belt. No one was born knowing the niceties of safe sparring.
If you hear someone whimper, stop and check they are ok.. you don't fucking go for the kill. You don't have to know about 'safe sparring'; to look after your training partners health. All that requires is not being a fucking dick.
Too proud to tap here doesn't apply. The blackbelt would be doing the blue a disservice to tap to a bad neck crank. That would make the blue think he had a good technique on his hands. If it was so good, 240lb dude wouldn't have had to gas himself out using it.
@@cjohnson3836 Then you are ignorant. Once someone has a hold, it's almost impossible to get out of it. Especially if the guy is 3 times your size. It's just not going to happen.
@@cjohnson3836 I dont think the black belt had good enough position to get the amount of leverage needed to get out against a far heavier and stronger opponent, that's what I gathered from it anyways
@@ajcook7777 but he's a black belt.. he should know way more counter moves and there's no way he should be able to get trapped by a newbie. Where did he get his black belt, from a cereal box? And he's not even old, why are people acting like he's elderly.
“Why did a black belt curse me out? Why don’t people want to roll with me?” Because you’re “that guy”. I’ve seen guys told multiple times that they’re “that guy” and somehow walk away thinking people duck them because they’re too good. 🤷🏻♂️
there are cases though where people duck you........ i am barely 150 pounds (70 kilos) and was a blue belt for 5 years and I can honestly say that I was at a gym where many bigger higher belts ducked me and said I was going too hard. I always wondered that because I never injured anyone or held a submission long and I never complained when they just laid on top of me using their weight advantage (i also knew my limits due to my wrestling background). I'm a purple belt now at another gym and I could see that I had typical slightly overly agressive blue belt tendencies but that's to be expected at that level. As a higher belt now, I have to show these same aggressive blue belts who I was just like that technique eventually takes over by basically kicking their asses effortlessly with technique. It's up to the higher belts to put the lower belts in their place. Regardless, there is a fine line of being 'that guy' and being 'the guy' who everone ducks. As Chewie said, if the 240 pounder was holding a headlock more than 3 minutes, sounds like he's 'that guy' because I never held a failed submission longer than 3 seconds.
Don't get caught in a neck crank then. Black belt just had a ego meltdown because he was being controlled and neutralized by a bluebelt, get out off it then you're supposed to be a black belt and the higher rank don't moan about being controlled. Leave your ego at the door before you step on the mats.
@@ScrapMetalPanda I don't go around cranking people's necks because I'm pretty skilled but I'm only 150lb, however I came from a wrestling background and I love the grind and people complain about me being rough!
This is a great PSA for all sub wrestling/BJJ. I’ve never put on a gi in my life but everything you’re saying is spot on for my own experiences from starting out as ‘that guy’ in sub-wrestling to learning how to learn to communicating with drilling/sparring partners. The communication aspect is also really under appreciated for striking sparring. Great video
I love how much detail he puts into these videos he goes through the entire story and actually talks about different parts of it,fully, which is why I love this guy so much!
One unspoken rule i give myself as a slightly larger white belt with a wreslting background is that i try not to crank out submission that dont go "smooth ". My instructor had given me advise that led me to let submissions go that arnt clean and, arnt making my partner tap even if i know its close or hurts. Its somewhat of a self ego check. With a little bit of self awarness to understand the difference between training and competing even in free rolling. Btw chewy you were a big influence on me getting into bjj. Thank you love the videos that are full of wisdom and knowledge.
Thats great that he explained techniques will dominate and you listened being the main thing you took from it as a lower rank allot of those guys have to get beat on to want to listen haha
@@adam121312able thank you all, but yea i got beat up in wrestling and the army, ive eaten my fair share of humble pie. The gii is still a bit awkward to me and its hard to not be competitive at times but i just try to stay focused on my own simple progress.
@@BuildinWings see for me the trouble is leaving out the pain compliance we were always taught. First class, first time rolling, the dude got legs in but I tucked my neck too tightly for the rear naked to go in. So I did what I was always taught when legs were put in back in wrestling...tripod to a sit through, plant the point of my elbow on his shin bone and started cranking his leg up into it by getting his foot...that was also the only day I almost started a fight in the class because he looked about ready to swing on me after I did that. Wrestling was just always so high energy, anything we did was pretty much live due to always needing to build that endurance for the matches, so when going live, pretty much anything I'd do in a match went with it...even if it meant grinding my knuckles into your rib cage to loosen up an arm for a power half.
The blue belt, is "that guy". Anyone thats been in an actual gym knows exactly what I am talking about....but based on the story, sounds like the blue belt had something to prove by going against a black belt...thinking submitting a black nelt was going to magically turn him into Pedro Sauer...who knows
Really good explanation...thank you. I taught Kajukempo for 10 years. Your discussion and explanation points out very well the age old problem with all martial arts. There are 4 levels of activity: 1. Training with your classmate hard but at a level of intensity that you can have that person to train with tomorrow again. 2. Competing in a tournament and trying to win but not to cripple the opponent to the point that it will change their life forever. 3. Defending yourself in a public area with a bunch of witnesses against some dumbass with little fighting skill. 4. Defending yourself and or a loved one in a life or death situation with few if any witnesses.
rofl, I once mentioned to a coach "Yeah, there is only one dude I won't roll with." The coach immediately said "Oh, you mean Soandso?" There is always that guy.
Lmao i do warmups and teqhnics with one same gu for past 3 monhts its just easier He knows whats he doing i know what im doing If i mistake he corects me ,same for him No homo
The scarf hold aka head-arm hold is a diaphragm choke. At least in catch wrestling. No reason to squeeze any hard than needed just to hold the head and arm. You mentioned Josh. As far as I know, the way Josh does it is the same as anyone else trained by Billy Robinson. I have seen Josh many times in wrestling camps with Scientific Wrestling. He did it the same way I teach it. I remember there was a black belt who said he would never submit to it. He was submitted. It is a move that makes you feel like you are drowning if done correctly. The same guy said he would not tap to a crank. He did. Chin placement is the key to cranks. Most do not train properly with them to know this. Everyone taps to a neck crank done properly. Anyway like always good video.
Ye exactly what I was thinking kesa gatame in judo I've been submitted with it yes it feels like drowning not really a neck crank I'm glad someone said it
I made the mistake of trying to put a purple belt in a neck crank. He was letting me work through stuff... working my technique. He tapped. And then I tapped... and tapped... and tapped... and tapped. He smashed my soul. Once it was over... he pulled me aside and explained my error. I learned my lesson that day. Never again.
@@josecuervo3351 Yes, and they should be ready for that as a well-rounded fighters. It's immature to get upset over an effective technique just because you can twist words to make it seem illegitimate.
@@SwordTune - That's cute, name calling and making false statements doesn't give credence to your argument. In competitive BJJ (i.e. tournements, sparring, etc.) a neck crank (aka spinal lock w/o a choke) is Illegal per IBJJF rules. And for good reason, risk of a spinal injury in the neck is significant enough that is not worth using it in a sparring situation. The fact that you are willing to use it to get a tap, knowing the possible repercussion if there is an accident speaks volumes about you. The safety everyone involved should always come first. A spinal injury in the neck can be life changing, and accidents do happen. If you want to use a spinal lock i suggest that go to sport that allows for that technique (i.e. Catch Wrestling), where everyone involved have by their participation accepted that risk. Hell if you want even more realism to help you in your road to be the Ultimate Warrior then do MMA. If that is not enough to feed your quest become a character from Street Fighter go to the favelas of Brazil an try your mettle there... LMAO.
@@josecuervo3351 I don't know what you're talking about. But to make it clear to you, the OP is about a purple belt's behaviour, which was inappropriate.
Chewie, As a 41 year old with a neck injury I can't do neck cranks. This is great advice. Remember kids the old guys who roll with you take twice as long to heal.
3:50 "you're hurting me" I know locked in chokes or submissions where someone will immediately consider tapping are acceptable in any BJJ practitioners book, but even if something isn't exactly a locked in sub, yet it's working (reducing blood flow or risking muscle/joint damage) how is that not part of the game? I know there is a line in the sand but neck cranks are a valid attack and I would be very careful and strongly consider tapping if I was defending unsuccessfully for so long. Imo the blackbelt let ego get in the way of the proper move which was tapping, then moving on. With that said I agree with your points about talking to the guy. It's clear that you train safer than I have which is smart, because I've been against those type of guys a few times and have had a lot of recovery time thrown into the mix as a result including hospital trips and time out of commission.
As a new person to jujitsu I’m so glad you did this video. I’m new to the sport and appreciate the advice and insight your videos bring. I love the name and message of your channel, as it always gives me something to “chew” on. Thank you
Mate you just taught me a great lesson. Sometimes I just squeeze for the sake of it. I’m only 3 months in, I’m 100% going to adjust how I attempted submission 👍🏻
When you spar in boxing you don’t generally beat up your partner because you want to continue to HAVE a partner. Same here. As a teacher of mine once said “Some people are fighting in the UFC in their imagination.”
@@FGKing-gc3xn personally i'm fine with sparring getting kinda dicey IF it's permitted. But if the coaches establish that you're just gonna punch gloves and not the face and someone starts decking their parter then that idiot should be stopped
I've hurt people with armbars where there arm wasn't fully extended or they were a new white belt and didn't know when to tap and tried to fight for too long. I've learned my lesson. The constant fight in jiu-jitsu is against your own ego. What you can do, how good you are, etc. At the end of the day, you should know when a submission is good, you don't need to force it through. It's better to let go then to fight to the bitter end. We're training, this isn't a tournament. As for the big guy, I'm surprised at blue belt he still doesn't know that his path forward isn't just brute forcing it through. The way to get better for anyone, but especially big guys, is to let go of the strength game. You're strength will always be there when you need it. It's technique that you need to cultivate.
Wtf are you talking about? The other guy couldn't escape. "Brute force" is as much part of the game as everything else. You just keep adding arbitrary rules removing sparring further and further from being a contest against a resisting opponent.
True. Always be kind. It is how things works. No negativity. That's why I love you man. You show love to others. It is good to ask opponent. No need to necessary tap. It is not competition. Keep the good work man.
Unfortunately I did this to someone as a white belt with only a few classes under my belt (I wrestled in high school). The guy was not happy about it and I didn’t understand what was wrong with squeezing this hold. This video is enlightening, thanks.
I'm a large guy and smaller people (and women in general) are surprised that I have lots of control and no ego. Flow rolling is my go to when going with smaller people.
Your videos help me so much in training and even life. From the bottom of my heart, thanks for all you do for the sport. I'm glad to know there's people in BJJ that have integrity and a genuine love for this crazy thing we decide to invest so much of our life into. 👊
I'm a bigger guy and I always communicate with my partner. This is suppose to be a head lock. Do you feel it.... No.... What am I doing wrong. I ALWAYS ask when I think they should be tapping and they're not.
I find some people don't roll in a learning manner. I talk to my partner the whole time. I tell em when they are wasting energy on something. I also let em know if they almost have me and not to give it up. I know not everyone is going to have my mentality. I guess from teaching for a couple years in another art I have that we all rise together attitude. I had a partner get to mount and I had trouble getting him off and he asked if I wanted to reset. I had some more juice and told him not yet. Training isn't a competition even though it is competitive.
I'm the same in my rolling...and sometimes have to convey that to the higher belts instead of just straight up smashing me why dont you work on your weaker aspects you're probably going to win either way but neither of us are learning a damn thing when you just destroy me
Grant Smith Great thoughts, I like to approach training with the proverbial empty cup, I go to get filled with knowledge and understanding. That being said sometimes the understanding is how to get the most out of bad partners, not letting their bad sportsmanship carryover into my training.
6'5 240lbs guy at blue belt should have enough control to know how to roll with smaller guys without smashing due to weight, size & strength. No wonder people don't want to roll with him. The black belt overreacted, should have better control of emotions & ego, but this seems like a situation that has been building up for a while. I actually question the instructor's supervision in not addressing the issue prior. It will result in a serious injury, if it has not happened already.
Eagle the guy outweigh him by 65 pounds you can have all the technique in the world if a guy 240 pounds is squeezing with all of their might there is nothing you can do about it. Dean Lister is an escape artist and was tapped by this position. Technique only takes you so far. When is the last time anyone 175 and below had won a world title? Strength is a major factor in BJJ. If you talk to most high-level Black Belts, most of them say that bottom side control is the most frustrating position. Because guys can easily out muscle you.
This is the 1st video I've seen of yours. You, sir, are a GREAT coach. Just listening to your philosophy and ways you train, and how you teach others to train. New sub. I would truly spend the money to train with you if I lived near you.
That's gotta be one of the best explanations for this particular topic that I've heard. If every BJJ practitioner could hear this... Thx for sharing! 💯
I feel as a blue belt, he should know what he was doing was bullshit. I mean if it’s a newbie, fine. But after 2+ yrs of rolling and you still think cranking someone’s neck all that time and not having a good position before submission is ok? Sounds like a blue belt I would avoid as well 🤷🏼♀️
Kristy Humphrey your right if there still doing stuff like that after 2+ years they They need to fix there game. Iv been doing bjj for about 10 months and know when something not working to just give it up
As one of those 5'6'', 130 lbp I can't add more to what has been said. When 240 lbp dude tries to sweep me.. well. HE WILL. Is he trying armbar? He can rip off my arm instead. Please, please, please, MIND YOUR SIZE.
I’m virtually the same build as you, and it’s 100% true. The thing is, where as most people can get the technique half right, and fill the rest up with strength, I totally can’t. Therefore, you end up getting your technique 100% correct, cause otherwise, it won’t work cause you have no strength to fall back on.
I love this. You’re not there to hurt the ones you train with, your friends. Obviously it’s hard to know when you’re new where the limit is, and this video would be a good one to show everyone who rolls for the first time.
If you care about your gym you should tell the person who is like this. They may not always be aware of these things. Give them a chance to grow and tell them.
@Chewie I think it's better to be called a softie than a psycho in training, I know who I'd rather train with out of those two options. I really appreciate your general advice stuff btw, I subbed and I don't even roll, I'm a Kyokushin guy, but the general stuff is very applicable to every combat sport. Cheers.
Awesome. I'm glad the information is useful in your Kyokushin practice. That's a very legit martial art. I sparred with some Kyokushin guys back when I fought MMA. They were super tough.
Kyokushin is badass. I'm an ex Shotokan practitioner and I want to train BJJ and some form of striking (probably muay thai or some form of karate). Maybe kyokushin or kenpo.
why can't people just have honest conversations about how they want to roll, it's not that hard and takes a few seconds. Black belt should check his ego.
I agree I had an experience a few weeks ago. I’m new at BJJ and I was warned as a white belt stay away from other green white belts to avoid injury. Well, new guy showed up to class and asked to roll and I was upfront and said yeah that’s fine, but please don’t hurt me let’s kind of practice what we learned in class. Within one minute of rolling he kicked me in the throat so hard and tried to put me in an arm bar and I tapped instantly. He didn’t let go and almost broke my arm. I was so upset and all he said was oh I saw it on ufc so I figured I’d go for it. I could not believe this fool just did this, it completely ruined my night I was so upset, from now on I don’t roll with him and I avoid him at all costs.
I’ve spoken to the gym spaz at my gym, it didn’t change how he rolled which is hyper aggressive to the point of hurting people, kneeing elbowing, etc etc. the harder you go the harder he goes so there’s no point. Been doing Bjj and wrestling for 14 years so he knows what he’s doing too.
For some you might be just a good jiu jitsu black belt out there doing youtube videos but for sure you're one heck of a worldclass human being. Appreciate all the insights and advice you're giving on and off the mat! Chew on!
I feel like I have to disagree with chewy from a certain pov. Ego is what I feel this is about on both sides. The black belt got passed and put in a position he couldn't escape from, so he literally had to tell him to get off then act a fool. That's like in a street fight when I guy is mounted and can't escape they typically say "get the fuck off me" or "let's reset." How would the black belt react if this happened to him? I feel like situations like this are what is making Bjj soft imho. Not saying I would do this to my partners, but it is something I've noticed.
@@ghostmma6773 lol no. you're delirious on belt colors. its just a piece of cloth that holds your pants up. a physically gifted blue belt can catch black belts who are both going 100%, i've seen it happen.
@@jonathanschwob8650 yeesss you are right to a degree but for the most part it means how much experience and level and knowledge you are at in the art unlessssssssss some one is dumb and just buys it off the internet and ses they are a black belt lol
This guy. It's not a street fight, bro. It's training. You gotta respect your training buddy and keep him safe. Can't bring street fight mentality to the mat. Go hard but stay controlled. Never going to learn anything otherwise. Technique, discipline (i.e. doing it over and over again until it's muscle memory), and learning to put your ego on the shelf is what will keep you safe on the street, not treating your training partner like someone who pulled a knife on your kid. The only guys I know who complain about BJJ being too soft are new guys that watch too much MMA. It usually takes just one roll with a 15 year old kid with badass technique tapping them out before they either learn to learn or make for the door. The best martial artists, the one's that would really ruin your day on the street, are usually the most relaxed about it.
@@michaelmyers3205 I agree with you. But what makes you think the blue belt in question wasn't going in a controlled manner? By the blue belt level, most people know what is control and what is spazzing. All I'm saying is that the black belt definitely should've showed respect to the blue belt and honored the fact that he couldn't escape the position and panicked.
Similar thing happened to me. I was rolling with a black belt, got his back, neck cranked him for a few seconds (he put his chin down to defend and got cranked a little bit). I let it go immediately though because I didn't want to crank on him. He lost his shit and tried to get me to admit that "he could do anything to me" He has no striking whatsoever and I'm a BJJ bluebelt with many years of striking. Besides that, you can't say that kind of crap to people. Humility and black belts don't always mix.
What a dickhead. I got my neck cranked badly a little while ago (a dude 30kg heavier than me pressing my head against my chest and wouldn't respond to tapping) so I know the value of a training partner that has awareness of not just himself. Seems weird to me that an instructor level dude hasn't gotten that sorted out yet.
That was awesome advice. Most people think people should already know everything like you shouldn’t hurt someone you are training with but a lot of people just do what they see, and most likely only thing they see is a ufc fight where they are trying to rip a head off. Not knowing those same people don’t train like that.
Being 5'4" and 147 pounds I am glad that people are never nervous to roll with me because of my size. I'm a blue belt so people who are new see color and get scared, but no one looks at me and doesnt want to roll with me because of my size. One of the very few perks of being small in bjj I suppose.
I think one of the things that is most misunderstood by new students, and certain types of people is that training is not all about the "winning", it is about the improvement. It sounds like this guy was not being an intentionally a bad training partner but he was too focused on "winning" and not on developing skills with his training partner.
Thank you for posting this video. Anyone considering studying any martial art or playing any team sport, where your personal well being is or can be in the hands of another person (whether you know them or not), should watch your video and learn from it. Reading comments posted gives a realistic perspective on the types you can come across in these gyms. Can be dangerous...for everyone.
Great vid. I was slammed during training and sustained serious injuries. Not only do people not want to train with dangerous people, but people don’t want to train in gyms that allow dangerous training. Biggest problem with this sport is the money that could be mad (maybe possibly for less than 1% of practitioners). Too many people training like they’re going to be on tv tomorrow.
I trained Judo before starting BJJ and can honestly say as a smaller/medium sized guy (5'8, 160lb) Scarf Hold is one of my best pins and I mainly use it to transition into side control or north/south. That being said, I never work neck cranks from Scarf. Like Chewy mentioned, not a million subs from the position, however, I've played it long enough that I'm decent at catching the arm triangle. For the most part it seems to me like a lack of communication from both of these guys. Honestly, forget their respective levels of experience - at their age they should be able to talk to each other without getting a bruised ego. Lastly, if this were my gym, I'd partner them up for situational rolling from Scarf position so they'd both get better. Keep It Simple, Stupid!
Same exact thing happens to me. I understand. One piece of advice I can give you is to start from Guard against smaller training partners. Guys don't want to be smashed all the time. People always avoid eye contact with me when it's time to roll. Start from guard. You will get better and have more people likely to roll as well.
You touched on a very good subject; no one wants to train/roll with the spazz unsafe partner. As a career man in his 40s It is what has been keeping me off the mats, hell, I have to go to work the following day so can’t afford to get injured. Respect and look after your training partner OSS
I'm a small guy and everytime I roll with someone bigger than me. I have to adjust my submission when rolling with my partner but I do ask them questions like did I get the choke or the armbar, etc. Overall, I never experienced anything negative when rolling with higher belts but their very helpful enough to give me advice. Even though, my training in Jiu-Jitsu is on and off due to hardcore studying for college. I do squeeze in my time to train whenever I can.
As 6'2" 290 white belt, i agree it is hard to find partners sometimes, with good reason. Being as large as i am i try to always be considerate when i roll with anyone. I always try to think 'is this a jjistu move or am i just throwing my weight around like a jerk'
@@quasar4601 i am only 6 months in but i think my gym has one of those too. The tough is truly knowing wether or not they understand a)their own strength b)the ramifications of their weight compressing people c) what they are doing is considered dirty in your gym. Its a sketchy subject, bc if you arent trying you arent getting better, but at the same time no belt is worth injuring somebody.
Lol yeah at 5'7 130 pounds with the next smallest dude in my gym being like 5'10 and 170, I've just given up being picky about who to roll with. If i have to roll with the 250 guy, so be it lol.
Thanks a lot for these video's. As I'm starting out in some grappling classes this information is golden and humbling at the same time. I don't have any experience in BJJ (unfortunately they don't teach it where I'm from), but I just started out (MMA) grappling classes, and this was so eye-opening for me! As "the new guy" while sparring, I had someone kinda in a standing guillotine choke, but not quite. My natural response was "I wan't to win this, I want to show them what I'm worth, I'm not letting go. I probably just need to squeeze harder", and so I did. The guy wrestled himself out of it and it was all good, but after seeing this video I now know better for when I'm in a similar situation again and try to improve the sub or move on and try something different. Love the community commenting on this as well, can't wait what this journey will bring me :)
Thanks for all the advice, as a new guy to this, I have found there are a lot of unwritten rules that I don't know and no one really mentions. I want to be someone that is fun to roll with and fun to train with and these videos help
Just started rolling at a new gym closer to my house and they put me with their toughest, strongest guy who wrestled for 6 years in HS and college, to start because I'm a very large man. I have a year of experience in bjj and already knew not to power my submissions during the practice and I like being on the bottom to improve my defense. Anyways, the guy yanked my arm in an arm bar so hard and quickly I was hyper extended before I could tap. It's still sore a week after the fact. I was gracious and didn't say anything but I was a bit put off by the aggressiveness.
Sorry I don't agree. I believe that the black should have shown some humility and should have simply tapped.. Why risk injury to yourself? If an injury would have occurred the black belt would be the one responsible for not tapping. The black should have demonstrated more control of the situation. It's not up to the blue belt to approach the black belt. The black needs to show self control and humility and use the moment as a teaching moment.
Agree the black belt was a diva about it, but the blue belt can't even legally use neck cranks in competition. If the blue belt feels like he's that good he should be competing, he shouldn't be acting that way in practice if he's never actually tried to compete
It's also a matter of could the black belt do anything to escape? Or was he just waiting to strike and got pissy when he realized a blue belt bested him. Ego should not get in the way of training and safety. He got you pinned, it hurt, and you couldn't escape. Tap and go again.
@@michael-xt6he From what it sounds like though the blue belt should understand he's not at the pan ams, breaking this black belts neck won't solve a thing. The problem is more than the black belt. That blue belt said no one wants to roll with him. My guess is that blue belt thinks he's better than he actually is
I know two bigger and stronger guys who i roll with. Other i like to roll with, and other not. They smesh me exactly the same way, but the other guy is bragging with it.
I'm a white belt and was training with a brown belt yesterday who was really aggressive. I've rolled with higher belts a lot over my last year training and never had a problem (I always learn a ton, even though I get submitted every 20-30 seconds). This guy was different though, he held every submission too long after I tapped and at the end I was legitimately hurting in a way that hasn't happened before. I think I'll have to take the week off because I can't plant my right foot without pain. This guy usually trains at another time, but because he's a higher belt and we were rolling with gi, I thought he'd be cool (we can obviously see each other's belt level). How should I approach this guy, or should I just avoid him? Right before we bumped fists, someone else told me to watch out for him, which at the time I took to mean he's just really good. Now I know what that guy was talking about.
I straight up will not roll with a couple guys in my gym. Not because they are bad asses but because they spaz out every time. I just straight up said no when they asked to roll with me a few times. They don’t even look my way to ask anymore. Also that’s why I love nogi. It evens things out. I’m a blue belt and can smash brown and black belts in nogi because of my wrestling and mma experience. Not in gi lol
Wow man. Bro why don't you let your sensie know. You should go and enjoy your BJJ not train with fear. Speak to your sensie and if he does not sort it go to another dojo. I'm a white belt with 3 stripes. I spared with a spaz and this guy has stacked me on my neck quiet badly a few times.
Yeah we're hear to roll...and my ex instructor would tell us if you don't tap ....just keep going until you do.. even if you were stupid enough to hold on and get hurt...
100% the black belts fault. Look when you’re new, you have an extremely high view of black belts. You assume that if they’re in a certain position then either they’re allowing it or they could escape any time they want. Either way a newbie will think the black belt is fine. The reality is that this black belt didn’t want to tap to a blue belt, not even to teach an opportunity. He let his ego get in the way of saving his neck and leg a good teaching opportunity escape.
TKD Guy I agree. While it’s annoying to deal with inappropriate behavior, a superior should always use student’s mistakes as learning opportunities (in every facet of life, not just in BJJ). Teachers should always remind themselves that it is more important to correct bad behavior for the future than to punish it after the fact.
Awesome video! Would it be possible for you to do a tutorial on the rear naked choke and/or bulldog choke when your opponent ducks their chin, and you can't get under it? This seems to be an issue in my training, and I see it quite regularly, so your insights would be really helpful. Cheers, Christine
This is such an awesome video man, I found your channel as I've been getting into UFC and MMA more broadly, just trying to find a discipline in which I'd like to start my own training. The reason that this spoke to me so closely is that I recently got into a pretty heated situation with my boss (I'm a cook, he's a chef, so the shit's bound to pop off some times) where I felt that he verbally lashed out at me in anger in much the same way that the black belt in the story had. I'm the same way as you're describing with maintaining the sacrosanctity of important spaces, so I tried to talk to him the next day and extend the olive branch. Before he blew up in my face he'd been barking orders (near literally) at cooks and servers alike and I was sarcastic to him when he commanded me to do something which I'd already done. I watched this man's mind close and walls come up before my eyes, he really spit in the face of my apology while offering no contrition of his own and trying to justify physically getting in my space and mocking me to my face. I've gone in the course of a weekend from never getting into real drama or having real beef in the workplace to almost getting into two physical confrontations with my boss at work. Fuck. Just wanted to leave this little anecdote here as an example of when even pushing past your own discomfort, swallowing your own pride, and reaching out to someone who's wronged you doesn't lead to a real moment of emotional honesty. Have you had experiences where you experienced similar naked aggression in response to your reaching out?
Hey do you ever do follow-up videos so we can get updates on how your advice panned out for these folks? I'd love to hear a happy ending on this one if Neal ever lets you know.
My judo club trained in a bjj club in the summer. There was a 3rd degree black belt with like 6-8 years of wrestling experience, who was also a heavyweight. He was also slightly socially handicapped and didn’t know his own strength.. he threw really really hard and would often go straight into scarf hold neck crank pin. Most of the bjj guys didn’t like rolling with him, obviously. I had to mention to him that he’s twice my size and didn’t need to slam me so hard. After that he was a great partner and treated me almost like a little brother and I learned a great deal from him. Some people just don’t understand certain etiquette and need a friendly reminder.
I've been "that guy". I tried to pop out of a triangle by standing and shaking a higher belt, the guy got all freaked out like I tried to assault him, and everyone else shunned me (without actually seeing what happened). I meant him no harm, I just wanted out. While I was probably wrong to not just tap in a BJJ setting, I also felt unnecessarily shunned. Looking back, all I have to say is don't shun low belts. They don't what they're doing. That's like getting mad at your dog fro doing something they shouldn't: they don't know your rules. Be a leader. Step up when others shun someone, give that person another chance and explain how respect works in BJJ. Don't just toss them out. Nobody appreciates that.
I kneebarred a blackbelt when I was a 4 stripe white belt and he was very stubborn about it when I fully extended it, eventually getting out but it definitely hyperextended. He then proceeded to put me in a twister and afterwards told me white belts can’t do leg locks even though I learned them at a previous gym. Getting cussed out isn’t too bad, sometimes a black belt forgets about the losing your ego at the gym. They think they have to defend black belt honor or something and they kinda do.
There's a reason why white belts shouldnt do knee bars. They don't know how to apply pressure well and usually try cranking or forcing things which will tear knees and end someone's career
LmaO I can so relate to this... I was like this when I first started and I felt like I was dominating but eventually I saw that I mainly used my weight and power against them and not really technique but When I made the switch though to use more technique people began to like to roll with me and that felt good and boost my game as well.
It's so neat the way you teach. So relatable and easygoing. I consider your videos my go to material when a question or argument comes up. " oh yeah? Let's see what Chewy says" lol same thing happened yesterday to me with a d'arse
Awesome breakdown of the issues at hand; it’s given me some great points to bring back, as I also sometimes have challenges finding partners. I need to be more clear about the partnership.
Guy in my gym who is good at jiu jitsu, but I don't like rolling with him because he trash talks while we roll. Tells me I've got nothing while going for submissions, mocks you if he sweeps you, just bloody annoying
@@Ynotnow9900 Disagree the black belt got super salty because he was being controlled and neutralized by a lower rank that's why he freaked out ego meltdown seen them before.
No, it wasn't a submission. It's like keeping knee on chest for too long. It's a cheap move. The Blue Belt had the ego problem trying to 'get' a Black Belt. That's not how you rise in BJJ.
I don't actually agree. This big blue belt clearly is at wrong gym. They don't know how to teach and guide him. None wish to train with him. Get out from there it's not your place.
Excellent advice. If done properly both parties continue their martial arts journey confident in their ability to train safe and communicate effectively. Just found your channel and really enjoying it.
A matter of ego for the black belt and lack of education for the blue. Black should have tapped, educated, and moved on. You are rolling on the mat together in your school. Spread the knowledge that helps everyone become better training partners.
@Sid Sidney if he was a wrestling champ I wonder how much of the dirty tactics he left out for sparring haha. Not to diss you by any means, just that in wrestling we are taught a hell of a lot of pain compliance to get our moves in, but unless coach was specifically drilling something it was a dick move to use too much. For example, I manage to get legs in but can't quite get a rear naked in due to you turtling your neck? Pulling back while I dig my knuckle in just next to the spine in the back of your neck loosens most guys up.
@@kylethekidable that would all be allowed in mma, sparring probably included even with teammates
It's ego for the blue belt too. He sounds like an asshole. The dude's an athletic 6'5" 240lbs and he's cranking on a guy neck who weighs 70lbs less. He's doesn't even need jiujitsu! He's so huge nobody's going to fuck with him. His motivation isn't coming from a good place. Maybe he can change but if not, he should stop training.
thats what I got from it.
Well said
I'd be curious to hear the black belt's side of this story. Just saying.
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Yo Mac wtf you doing here? 😂
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Ya at somepoint you gotta realise your the factor that isn't changing
How bout you rap it?
How cool would it be if there was a tournament that only allowed people that nobody wants to roll with 😂😂😂
LOL. Every gym would send 'that guy'.
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injuries and ugly jiu jitsu and a perfect video montage of WHAT NOT TO DO in jiu jitsu.
Lmao everyone at the gym votes for their candidates. In The World Misfits BJJ Championship
Palhares wins the whole thing
You forgot to mention body odor as a possible reason why they don't want to roll.
Agree...some of these guys seem comfortable with themselves and odor. Also I could never get past the condition of the mats. That constant thought of God only knows what's growing on here?!
@@badgerking8511 well worth the read good on u for getting to the bottom of the mystery haha xD yuck !
jdamagedgoods this happened to me recently. I’m a beginner white belt and I just recently started learning. The guy that I was sparring with was indeed at a higher level but his body odor was just too much. I would just purposely tap to get his horrible smell off of me man. I wanted to tell him but I didn’t want to be rude. Next time he smells bad I’ll let him know because it’s just way too gross of a smell to spar with someone like that.
jdamagedgoods lmao
Ha Ha thats a weak reason not to roll with someone. Im a new BJJ whitebelt, and there are some guys that I train with who have bad body odor, I still roll with them, simply because the knowledge in their heads is more important than a few minutes of uncomfortable smell. If you dont roll with someone becauase they smell a little, (and at the gymn lol), you need to toughen up chief.
100% Ego. Whatever belt you both are, don't be too proud to tap. And a Black Belt should be the one with responsibility when sparring with a Blue Belt. No one was born knowing the niceties of safe sparring.
You do habe a point. Roll ethic should definitely be taught. I dont roll w ppl like that.
If you hear someone whimper, stop and check they are ok.. you don't fucking go for the kill. You don't have to know about 'safe sparring'; to look after your training partners health. All that requires is not being a fucking dick.
Hear! Hear!
Too proud to tap here doesn't apply. The blackbelt would be doing the blue a disservice to tap to a bad neck crank. That would make the blue think he had a good technique on his hands. If it was so good, 240lb dude wouldn't have had to gas himself out using it.
david downey or, maybe the black belt should learn some scarf-hold escapes. Just sayin”.
I feel like at blue belt you should be smart enough to know not to neck crank for 2 minutes.
I feel like a black belt should have enough skill to get out of it.
@@cjohnson3836 Then you are ignorant. Once someone has a hold, it's almost impossible to get out of it. Especially if the guy is 3 times your size. It's just not going to happen.
Yeah, if a technique doesn't work in a few seconds...it's most likely not going to work at all. Move on.
@@cjohnson3836 I dont think the black belt had good enough position to get the amount of leverage needed to get out against a far heavier and stronger opponent, that's what I gathered from it anyways
@@ajcook7777 but he's a black belt.. he should know way more counter moves and there's no way he should be able to get trapped by a newbie. Where did he get his black belt, from a cereal box? And he's not even old, why are people acting like he's elderly.
“Why did a black belt curse me out?
Why don’t people want to roll with me?”
Because you’re “that guy”.
I’ve seen guys told multiple times that they’re “that guy” and somehow walk away thinking people duck them because they’re too good. 🤷🏻♂️
@@ronaldt1932 found "that guy"
there are cases though where people duck you........ i am barely 150 pounds (70 kilos) and was a blue belt for 5 years and I can honestly say that I was at a gym where many bigger higher belts ducked me and said I was going too hard. I always wondered that because I never injured anyone or held a submission long and I never complained when they just laid on top of me using their weight advantage (i also knew my limits due to my wrestling background). I'm a purple belt now at another gym and I could see that I had typical slightly overly agressive blue belt tendencies but that's to be expected at that level. As a higher belt now, I have to show these same aggressive blue belts who I was just like that technique eventually takes over by basically kicking their asses effortlessly with technique. It's up to the higher belts to put the lower belts in their place. Regardless, there is a fine line of being 'that guy' and being 'the guy' who everone ducks. As Chewie said, if the 240 pounder was holding a headlock more than 3 minutes, sounds like he's 'that guy' because I never held a failed submission longer than 3 seconds.
Don't get caught in a neck crank then. Black belt just had a ego meltdown because he was being controlled and neutralized by a bluebelt, get out off it then you're supposed to be a black belt and the higher rank don't moan about being controlled. Leave your ego at the door before you step on the mats.
@@ScrapMetalPanda I don't go around cranking people's necks because I'm pretty skilled but I'm only 150lb, however I came from a wrestling background and I love the grind and people complain about me being rough!
@@ronaldt1932 settle down tough guy
The fact he is squeezing till his arms are gassed out tells the whole story.
What story😂
@@armbullytv that he’s strong asf and ruins others perspective
@@armbullytv the blue belt in the video....
@@jacobismith1201
If you want out you can always tap.
My arms sometimes gas out after hand fighting on someones back for 3 minutes after 2 hrs of rolling,
This is a great PSA for all sub wrestling/BJJ. I’ve never put on a gi in my life but everything you’re saying is spot on for my own experiences from starting out as ‘that guy’ in sub-wrestling to learning how to learn to communicating with drilling/sparring partners. The communication aspect is also really under appreciated for striking sparring.
Great video
I agree. Why, just the other night, I asked my wife "Do you feel it?"
She said "No."
Sgt Boz damn you got me good
LOL I'm dead
Did you try to readjust?
Sgt Boz I spit out my drink when I read this 😂
Sgt Boz Meh, why even ask? LOL
I love how much detail he puts into these videos he goes through the entire story and actually talks about different parts of it,fully, which is why I love this guy so much!
One unspoken rule i give myself as a slightly larger white belt with a wreslting background is that i try not to crank out submission that dont go "smooth ". My instructor had given me advise that led me to let submissions go that arnt clean and, arnt making my partner tap even if i know its close or hurts.
Its somewhat of a self ego check. With a little bit of self awarness to understand the difference between training and competing even in free rolling.
Btw chewy you were a big influence on me getting into bjj. Thank you love the videos that are full of wisdom and knowledge.
El Cucuy true man. Also a unsucess full Submission costs a Ton of energy... need to know wich way to choose
Ossss! That's a great attitude to have!
Thats great that he explained techniques will dominate and you listened being the main thing you took from it as a lower rank allot of those guys have to get beat on to want to listen haha
@@adam121312able thank you all, but yea i got beat up in wrestling and the army, ive eaten my fair share of humble pie.
The gii is still a bit awkward to me and its hard to not be competitive at times but i just try to stay focused on my own simple progress.
@@BuildinWings see for me the trouble is leaving out the pain compliance we were always taught. First class, first time rolling, the dude got legs in but I tucked my neck too tightly for the rear naked to go in. So I did what I was always taught when legs were put in back in wrestling...tripod to a sit through, plant the point of my elbow on his shin bone and started cranking his leg up into it by getting his foot...that was also the only day I almost started a fight in the class because he looked about ready to swing on me after I did that.
Wrestling was just always so high energy, anything we did was pretty much live due to always needing to build that endurance for the matches, so when going live, pretty much anything I'd do in a match went with it...even if it meant grinding my knuckles into your rib cage to loosen up an arm for a power half.
The blue belt, is "that guy". Anyone thats been in an actual gym knows exactly what I am talking about....but based on the story, sounds like the blue belt had something to prove by going against a black belt...thinking submitting a black nelt was going to magically turn him into Pedro Sauer...who knows
Really good explanation...thank you. I taught Kajukempo for 10 years. Your discussion and explanation points out very well the age old problem with all martial arts. There are 4 levels of activity:
1. Training with your classmate hard but at a level of intensity that you can have that person to train with tomorrow again.
2. Competing in a tournament and trying to win but not to cripple the opponent to the point that it will change their life forever.
3. Defending yourself in a public area with a bunch of witnesses against some dumbass with little fighting skill.
4. Defending yourself and or a loved one in a life or death situation with few if any witnesses.
I'm glad you attached your morals to number 2, but not everyone shares those values sadly. Some MF's in competition will try to end your career/life.
rofl, I once mentioned to a coach "Yeah, there is only one dude I won't roll with." The coach immediately said "Oh, you mean Soandso?" There is always that guy.
Lmao i do warmups and teqhnics with one same gu for past 3 monhts its just easier
He knows whats he doing i know what im doing
If i mistake he corects me ,same for him
No homo
@Heelhook Leglocky Not sure if the "no homo" was needed... lmao.
@@markovic209 Chill on the "No homo" stuff man, it's 2019, come on.
Jasper Auld that comment sounded kinda gay, you should add a no homo to the end of it
@@henrycaldwell4454 I agree. No homo though
The scarf hold aka head-arm hold is a diaphragm choke. At least in catch wrestling. No reason to squeeze any hard than needed just to hold the head and arm. You mentioned Josh. As far as I know, the way Josh does it is the same as anyone else trained by Billy Robinson. I have seen Josh many times in wrestling camps with Scientific Wrestling. He did it the same way I teach it. I remember there was a black belt who said he would never submit to it. He was submitted. It is a move that makes you feel like you are drowning if done correctly. The same guy said he would not tap to a crank. He did. Chin placement is the key to cranks. Most do not train properly with them to know this. Everyone taps to a neck crank done properly. Anyway like always good video.
Ye exactly what I was thinking kesa gatame in judo I've been submitted with it yes it feels like drowning not really a neck crank I'm glad someone said it
I made the mistake of trying to put a purple belt in a neck crank. He was letting me work through stuff... working my technique. He tapped. And then I tapped... and tapped... and tapped... and tapped. He smashed my soul. Once it was over... he pulled me aside and explained my error. I learned my lesson that day. Never again.
That's BS. Neck cranks are in catch wrestling. A complete grappler should be prepared for a variety of situations.
@@SwordTune - They are doing BJJ, not catch wrestling. By your logic if you apply a neck crank, then i can apply ground and pound. :-)
@@josecuervo3351 Yes, and they should be ready for that as a well-rounded fighters. It's immature to get upset over an effective technique just because you can twist words to make it seem illegitimate.
@@SwordTune - That's cute, name calling and making false statements doesn't give credence to your argument. In competitive BJJ (i.e. tournements, sparring, etc.) a neck crank (aka spinal lock w/o a choke) is Illegal per IBJJF rules. And for good reason, risk of a spinal injury in the neck is significant enough that is not worth using it in a sparring situation. The fact that you are willing to use it to get a tap, knowing the possible repercussion if there is an accident speaks volumes about you. The safety everyone involved should always come first. A spinal injury in the neck can be life changing, and accidents do happen.
If you want to use a spinal lock i suggest that go to sport that allows for that technique (i.e. Catch Wrestling), where everyone involved have by their participation accepted that risk. Hell if you want even more realism to help you in your road to be the Ultimate Warrior then do MMA. If that is not enough to feed your quest become a character from Street Fighter go to the favelas of Brazil an try your mettle there... LMAO.
@@josecuervo3351 I don't know what you're talking about. But to make it clear to you, the OP is about a purple belt's behaviour, which was inappropriate.
Chewie, As a 41 year old with a neck injury I can't do neck cranks. This is great advice. Remember kids the old guys who roll with you take twice as long to heal.
3:50 "you're hurting me"
I know locked in chokes or submissions where someone will immediately consider tapping are acceptable in any BJJ practitioners book, but even if something isn't exactly a locked in sub, yet it's working (reducing blood flow or risking muscle/joint damage) how is that not part of the game?
I know there is a line in the sand but neck cranks are a valid attack and I would be very careful and strongly consider tapping if I was defending unsuccessfully for so long.
Imo the blackbelt let ego get in the way of the proper move which was tapping, then moving on.
With that said I agree with your points about talking to the guy.
It's clear that you train safer than I have which is smart, because I've been against those type of guys a few times and have had a lot of recovery time thrown into the mix as a result including hospital trips and time out of commission.
The black belt lost his shit because deep down he knew if that was a real fight he could very possibly be dead.
Maybe in a real fight, but nobody wants to get injured before they make it to competition.
Chewy...you're so wise...like a miniature buddha...covered in hair
Jessie Sineath fat Buddha is obvs more myth than reality. Chewie is a bigger, ripped Buddha.
True
@@aplus1080 Haha I don't know about ripped. But I am big and burly.
@Rusy shacklfordIm not even mad.. that's amazing
Follow Jesus Christ he loves you
As a new person to jujitsu I’m so glad you did this video. I’m new to the sport and appreciate the advice and insight your videos bring. I love the name and message of your channel, as it always gives me something to “chew” on. Thank you
Mate you just taught me a great lesson. Sometimes I just squeeze for the sake of it. I’m only 3 months in, I’m 100% going to adjust how I attempted submission 👍🏻
You kept it real on this guy. People don't know the difference between training and fighting. 👍
When you spar in boxing you don’t generally beat up your partner because you want to continue to HAVE a partner. Same here.
As a teacher of mine once said “Some people are fighting in the UFC in their imagination.”
Idk man, I've been boxing for 11 years and those boxing wars get pretty brutal - even in sparring.
@@FGKing-gc3xn personally i'm fine with sparring getting kinda dicey IF it's permitted. But if the coaches establish that you're just gonna punch gloves and not the face and someone starts decking their parter then that idiot should be stopped
No one was beaten up. The idiot black belt just refused to surrender.
@@FGKing-gc3xn Sounds like you're not as good as you think you are then bud
I've hurt people with armbars where there arm wasn't fully extended or they were a new white belt and didn't know when to tap and tried to fight for too long. I've learned my lesson. The constant fight in jiu-jitsu is against your own ego. What you can do, how good you are, etc. At the end of the day, you should know when a submission is good, you don't need to force it through. It's better to let go then to fight to the bitter end. We're training, this isn't a tournament.
As for the big guy, I'm surprised at blue belt he still doesn't know that his path forward isn't just brute forcing it through. The way to get better for anyone, but especially big guys, is to let go of the strength game. You're strength will always be there when you need it. It's technique that you need to cultivate.
Wtf are you talking about? The other guy couldn't escape. "Brute force" is as much part of the game as everything else. You just keep adding arbitrary rules removing sparring further and further from being a contest against a resisting opponent.
True. Always be kind. It is how things works. No negativity. That's why I love you man. You show love to others.
It is good to ask opponent. No need to necessary tap. It is not competition. Keep the good work man.
The black belt should have tapped and gotten it over with. It's not like it's a tournament where there's anything on the line.
Black belt got salty because he was being neutralized and controlled by a lower belt.
His pride was on the line
Unfortunately I did this to someone as a white belt with only a few classes under my belt (I wrestled in high school). The guy was not happy about it and I didn’t understand what was wrong with squeezing this hold. This video is enlightening, thanks.
I'm a large guy and smaller people (and women in general) are surprised that I have lots of control and no ego. Flow rolling is my go to when going with smaller people.
I don't train any martial arts but I always find your teachings and wisdom invaluable
Your videos help me so much in training and even life. From the bottom of my heart, thanks for all you do for the sport. I'm glad to know there's people in BJJ that have integrity and a genuine love for this crazy thing we decide to invest so much of our life into. 👊
Great insight. Our training partners are our most valuable tool. We need to treat them with respect.
I need this type of calm collected teaching in my daily struggles. Holy buckets do I wish I knew how to stay calm like this.
I'm a bigger guy and I always communicate with my partner. This is suppose to be a head lock. Do you feel it....
No....
What am I doing wrong.
I ALWAYS ask when I think they should be tapping and they're not.
I find some people don't roll in a learning manner. I talk to my partner the whole time. I tell em when they are wasting energy on something. I also let em know if they almost have me and not to give it up. I know not everyone is going to have my mentality. I guess from teaching for a couple years in another art I have that we all rise together attitude. I had a partner get to mount and I had trouble getting him off and he asked if I wanted to reset. I had some more juice and told him not yet. Training isn't a competition even though it is competitive.
Grant Smith you're a good training partner
Well, talking to the guy while rolling can be annoying too :P
@@flipao1 When you sweep me and I groan and say "aw crap" should be satisfying no? ;)
I'm the same in my rolling...and sometimes have to convey that to the higher belts instead of just straight up smashing me why dont you work on your weaker aspects you're probably going to win either way but neither of us are learning a damn thing when you just destroy me
Grant Smith Great thoughts, I like to approach training with the proverbial empty cup, I go to get filled with knowledge and understanding. That being said sometimes the understanding is how to get the most out of bad partners, not letting their bad sportsmanship carryover into my training.
6'5 240lbs guy at blue belt should have enough control to know how to roll with smaller guys without smashing due to weight, size & strength. No wonder people don't want to roll with him.
The black belt overreacted, should have better control of emotions & ego, but this seems like a situation that has been building up for a while.
I actually question the instructor's supervision in not addressing the issue prior. It will result in a serious injury, if it has not happened already.
The black belt should have escaped. He was just trapped. He can't just rely on waiting for the opponent to just let go his dominant position.
@Caleb Imrie the question is why the black belt can't escape from a basic position executed by a blue belt ?
Eagle the guy outweigh him by 65 pounds you can have all the technique in the world if a guy 240 pounds is squeezing with all of their might there is nothing you can do about it. Dean Lister is an escape artist and was tapped by this position. Technique only takes you so far. When is the last time anyone 175 and below had won a world title? Strength is a major factor in BJJ. If you talk to most high-level Black Belts, most of them say that bottom side control is the most frustrating position. Because guys can easily out muscle you.
@@EagleTrue I agree, except that that pin is super hard to escape when held competently. See Judo and Wrestling.
It’s between a black and blue belt. The expirence can make up for it. I’ve seen plenty of black/brown belts smash blue belts 60+ heavier than them
This is the 1st video I've seen of yours. You, sir, are a GREAT coach. Just listening to your philosophy and ways you train, and how you teach others to train. New sub. I would truly spend the money to train with you if I lived near you.
Great 👍🏼 discussion! I was involved in a very similar situation. Talked it out & all cool now...
Happy to hear it brother!
You’re like an older brother figure for beginners in Jiu Jitsu. Thank you 🙏
That's gotta be one of the best explanations for this particular topic that I've heard. If every BJJ practitioner could hear this...
Thx for sharing! 💯
Chewie always with the great advice!
As soon and I heard how big the dude was and what position they were in I knew that big ass blue belt was guilty
tijuas0918 i agree just use a real submission instead of your weight shit is so annoying
I feel as a blue belt, he should know what he was doing was bullshit. I mean if it’s a newbie, fine. But after 2+ yrs of rolling and you still think cranking someone’s neck all that time and not having a good position before submission is ok? Sounds like a blue belt I would avoid as well 🤷🏼♀️
Kristy Humphrey your right if there still doing stuff like that after 2+ years they They need to fix there game. Iv been doing bjj for about 10 months and know when something not working to just give it up
So true. He must think he does "UFC."
@@jordanshockley3867 he is a blue belt , he doesn't have a game to fix .
As one of those 5'6'', 130 lbp I can't add more to what has been said.
When 240 lbp dude tries to sweep me.. well. HE WILL. Is he trying armbar? He can rip off my arm instead.
Please, please, please, MIND YOUR SIZE.
@Ry Pie Typing that out and posting a comment like that says a lot about yourself dude. Not in a good way.
I’m virtually the same build as you, and it’s 100% true. The thing is, where as most people can get the technique half right, and fill the rest up with strength, I totally can’t. Therefore, you end up getting your technique 100% correct, cause otherwise, it won’t work cause you have no strength to fall back on.
I love this. You’re not there to hurt the ones you train with, your friends. Obviously it’s hard to know when you’re new where the limit is, and this video would be a good one to show everyone who rolls for the first time.
This is the most helpful BJJ video I have watched.
If you care about your gym you should tell the person who is like this. They may not always be aware of these things. Give them a chance to grow and tell them.
@Chewie I think it's better to be called a softie than a psycho in training, I know who I'd rather train with out of those two options.
I really appreciate your general advice stuff btw, I subbed and I don't even roll, I'm a Kyokushin guy, but the general stuff is very applicable to every combat sport. Cheers.
Awesome. I'm glad the information is useful in your Kyokushin practice. That's a very legit martial art. I sparred with some Kyokushin guys back when I fought MMA. They were super tough.
Kyokushin is badass. I'm an ex Shotokan practitioner and I want to train BJJ and some form of striking (probably muay thai or some form of karate). Maybe kyokushin or kenpo.
why can't people just have honest conversations about how they want to roll, it's not that hard and takes a few seconds. Black belt should check his ego.
I agree I had an experience a few weeks ago. I’m new at BJJ and I was warned as a white belt stay away from other green white belts to avoid injury. Well, new guy showed up to class and asked to roll and I was upfront and said yeah that’s fine, but please don’t hurt me let’s kind of practice what we learned in class. Within one minute of rolling he kicked me in the throat so hard and tried to put me in an arm bar and I tapped instantly. He didn’t let go and almost broke my arm. I was so upset and all he said was oh I saw it on ufc so I figured I’d go for it. I could not believe this fool just did this, it completely ruined my night I was so upset, from now on I don’t roll with him and I avoid him at all costs.
I’ve spoken to the gym spaz at my gym, it didn’t change how he rolled which is hyper aggressive to the point of hurting people, kneeing elbowing, etc etc. the harder you go the harder he goes so there’s no point. Been doing Bjj and wrestling for 14 years so he knows what he’s doing too.
@@Thecelestial1 we had a dude who used to do that at my gym. The higher belts really put it on him one day and he stopped, decent training partner now
I recently put my GI back on after 6 years as I competed in MMA and really finding your videos and advice/positivity inspiring. 👌💪💪
For some you might be just a good jiu jitsu black belt out there doing youtube videos but for sure you're one heck of a worldclass human being. Appreciate all the insights and advice you're giving on and off the mat! Chew on!
I feel like I have to disagree with chewy from a certain pov. Ego is what I feel this is about on both sides. The black belt got passed and put in a position he couldn't escape from, so he literally had to tell him to get off then act a fool. That's like in a street fight when I guy is mounted and can't escape they typically say "get the fuck off me" or "let's reset." How would the black belt react if this happened to him? I feel like situations like this are what is making Bjj soft imho. Not saying I would do this to my partners, but it is something I've noticed.
There's a 0.0001% chance the black belt got passed and a 99.9999% chance he was letting the blue belt work.
@@ghostmma6773 lol no. you're delirious on belt colors. its just a piece of cloth that holds your pants up. a physically gifted blue belt can catch black belts who are both going 100%, i've seen it happen.
@@jonathanschwob8650 yeesss you are right to a degree but for the most part it means how much experience and level and knowledge you are at in the art unlessssssssss some one is dumb and just buys it off the internet and ses they are a black belt lol
This guy. It's not a street fight, bro. It's training. You gotta respect your training buddy and keep him safe. Can't bring street fight mentality to the mat. Go hard but stay controlled. Never going to learn anything otherwise. Technique, discipline (i.e. doing it over and over again until it's muscle memory), and learning to put your ego on the shelf is what will keep you safe on the street, not treating your training partner like someone who pulled a knife on your kid. The only guys I know who complain about BJJ being too soft are new guys that watch too much MMA. It usually takes just one roll with a 15 year old kid with badass technique tapping them out before they either learn to learn or make for the door. The best martial artists, the one's that would really ruin your day on the street, are usually the most relaxed about it.
@@michaelmyers3205 I agree with you. But what makes you think the blue belt in question wasn't going in a controlled manner? By the blue belt level, most people know what is control and what is spazzing. All I'm saying is that the black belt definitely should've showed respect to the blue belt and honored the fact that he couldn't escape the position and panicked.
Similar thing happened to me. I was rolling with a black belt, got his back, neck cranked him for a few seconds (he put his chin down to defend and got cranked a little bit). I let it go immediately though because I didn't want to crank on him. He lost his shit and tried to get me to admit that "he could do anything to me"
He has no striking whatsoever and I'm a BJJ bluebelt with many years of striking. Besides that, you can't say that kind of crap to people.
Humility and black belts don't always mix.
What a dickhead. I got my neck cranked badly a little while ago (a dude 30kg heavier than me pressing my head against my chest and wouldn't respond to tapping) so I know the value of a training partner that has awareness of not just himself. Seems weird to me that an instructor level dude hasn't gotten that sorted out yet.
Ya a lot of black belts suck
What an idiot. He defended wrong. The RNC doesn't need to gently put someone to sleep in order to work.
SUBSCRIBED. That was spot on. Awesome wisdom, brother.
A thumbs up is not sufficient - This is an excellent response and explanation.
That was awesome advice. Most people think people should already know everything like you shouldn’t hurt someone you are training with but a lot of people just do what they see, and most likely only thing they see is a ufc fight where they are trying to rip a head off. Not knowing those same people don’t train like that.
Being 5'4" and 147 pounds I am glad that people are never nervous to roll with me because of my size. I'm a blue belt so people who are new see color and get scared, but no one looks at me and doesnt want to roll with me because of my size. One of the very few perks of being small in bjj I suppose.
“I pissed off a blackbelt” think we have all been there 😂
Hahaha storytime?
Darryl Greer yeah I got yelled at by one cause I forgot to wipe my shoes on the entry mat 😂
I think one of the things that is most misunderstood by new students, and certain types of people is that training is not all about the "winning", it is about the improvement. It sounds like this guy was not being an intentionally a bad training partner but he was too focused on "winning" and not on developing skills with his training partner.
Thank you for posting this video. Anyone considering studying any martial art or playing any team sport, where your personal well being is or can be in the hands of another person (whether you know them or not), should watch your video and learn from it. Reading comments posted gives a realistic perspective on the types you can come across in these gyms. Can be dangerous...for everyone.
Great vid. I was slammed during training and sustained serious injuries. Not only do people not want to train with dangerous people, but people don’t want to train in gyms that allow dangerous training. Biggest problem with this sport is the money that could be mad (maybe possibly for less than 1% of practitioners). Too many people training like they’re going to be on tv tomorrow.
I wish i had a coach like chew
You could relocate to his city and join up lol.
i had a coach like that in prison, i remember when we were wrestling naked and he put me in a triangle and forced a blowjob.good times
@@yungkage1693 lmao, brilliant
I trained Judo before starting BJJ and can honestly say as a smaller/medium sized guy (5'8, 160lb) Scarf Hold is one of my best pins and I mainly use it to transition into side control or north/south. That being said, I never work neck cranks from Scarf. Like Chewy mentioned, not a million subs from the position, however, I've played it long enough that I'm decent at catching the arm triangle.
For the most part it seems to me like a lack of communication from both of these guys. Honestly, forget their respective levels of experience - at their age they should be able to talk to each other without getting a bruised ego.
Lastly, if this were my gym, I'd partner them up for situational rolling from Scarf position so they'd both get better.
Keep It Simple, Stupid!
When I was 15, my Mom found Rolling Partners in my underwear drawer and I didn't get my driver's license for 3 years!
haha! my man!
What?
@ArchAingeal I think that’s what he’s getting at . At least I hope ..............
@@Crowlo17 girls... Are his "rolling partners"
Same exact thing happens to me. I understand. One piece of advice I can give you is to start from Guard against smaller training partners. Guys don't want to be smashed all the time. People always avoid eye contact with me when it's time to roll. Start from guard. You will get better and have more people likely to roll as well.
You touched on a very good subject; no one wants to train/roll with the spazz unsafe partner.
As a career man in his 40s It is what has been keeping me off the mats, hell, I have to go to work the following day so can’t afford to get injured.
Respect and look after your training partner
OSS
I'm a small guy and everytime I roll with someone bigger than me. I have to adjust my submission when rolling with my partner but I do ask them questions like did I get the choke or the armbar, etc. Overall, I never experienced anything negative when rolling with higher belts but their very helpful enough to give me advice. Even though, my training in Jiu-Jitsu is on and off due to hardcore studying for college. I do squeeze in my time to train whenever I can.
“You’re hurting me” 😂 dead
Most people dont wanna train with someone who is 6,4 240 pounds it's hard to learn with a strength gap
Not if they act like a maniac like this blue belt does during rolling.
As 6'2" 290 white belt, i agree it is hard to find partners sometimes, with good reason. Being as large as i am i try to always be considerate when i roll with anyone. I always try to think 'is this a jjistu move or am i just throwing my weight around like a jerk'
Try a guy in my gym who is 6-0 and 275 and just rolls dirty
@@quasar4601 i am only 6 months in but i think my gym has one of those too. The tough is truly knowing wether or not they understand a)their own strength b)the ramifications of their weight compressing people c) what they are doing is considered dirty in your gym.
Its a sketchy subject, bc if you arent trying you arent getting better, but at the same time no belt is worth injuring somebody.
Lol yeah at 5'7 130 pounds with the next smallest dude in my gym being like 5'10 and 170, I've just given up being picky about who to roll with. If i have to roll with the 250 guy, so be it lol.
Thanks a lot for these video's. As I'm starting out in some grappling classes this information is golden and humbling at the same time. I don't have any experience in BJJ (unfortunately they don't teach it where I'm from), but I just started out (MMA) grappling classes, and this was so eye-opening for me! As "the new guy" while sparring, I had someone kinda in a standing guillotine choke, but not quite. My natural response was "I wan't to win this, I want to show them what I'm worth, I'm not letting go. I probably just need to squeeze harder", and so I did. The guy wrestled himself out of it and it was all good, but after seeing this video I now know better for when I'm in a similar situation again and try to improve the sub or move on and try something different. Love the community commenting on this as well, can't wait what this journey will bring me :)
Thanks for all the advice, as a new guy to this, I have found there are a lot of unwritten rules that I don't know and no one really mentions. I want to be someone that is fun to roll with and fun to train with and these videos help
Happy to help!
Just started rolling at a new gym closer to my house and they put me with their toughest, strongest guy who wrestled for 6 years in HS and college, to start because I'm a very large man. I have a year of experience in bjj and already knew not to power my submissions during the practice and I like being on the bottom to improve my defense. Anyways, the guy yanked my arm in an arm bar so hard and quickly I was hyper extended before I could tap. It's still sore a week after the fact. I was gracious and didn't say anything but I was a bit put off by the aggressiveness.
you should say something. that´s not cool.
Switch gyms !! That is sick. My gym they always go slow on arm bars and once I feel it extended- I tap
Get out of the gym , FAST
Sorry I don't agree. I believe that the black should have shown some humility and should have simply tapped.. Why risk injury to yourself? If an injury would have occurred the black belt would be the one responsible for not tapping.
The black should have demonstrated more control of the situation.
It's not up to the blue belt to approach the black belt. The black needs to show self control and humility and use the moment as a teaching moment.
i agree
Agree the black belt was a diva about it, but the blue belt can't even legally use neck cranks in competition. If the blue belt feels like he's that good he should be competing, he shouldn't be acting that way in practice if he's never actually tried to compete
It's also a matter of could the black belt do anything to escape? Or was he just waiting to strike and got pissy when he realized a blue belt bested him. Ego should not get in the way of training and safety. He got you pinned, it hurt, and you couldn't escape. Tap and go again.
@@michael-xt6he From what it sounds like though the blue belt should understand he's not at the pan ams, breaking this black belts neck won't solve a thing. The problem is more than the black belt. That blue belt said no one wants to roll with him. My guess is that blue belt thinks he's better than he actually is
The neck crank: the most dangerous white belt go to move when you can't submit your opponent.
This needs to be heard by everyone. Thank you.
As a blue belt these videos are so great. I watch them on the treadmill. Thank you chewy!
I know two bigger and stronger guys who i roll with. Other i like to roll with, and other not.
They smesh me exactly the same way, but the other guy is bragging with it.
@Sid Sidney yeah that totally happened.
Sid Sidney by “that totally happened” I meant that 100% did not happen.
I'm a white belt and was training with a brown belt yesterday who was really aggressive. I've rolled with higher belts a lot over my last year training and never had a problem (I always learn a ton, even though I get submitted every 20-30 seconds). This guy was different though, he held every submission too long after I tapped and at the end I was legitimately hurting in a way that hasn't happened before. I think I'll have to take the week off because I can't plant my right foot without pain. This guy usually trains at another time, but because he's a higher belt and we were rolling with gi, I thought he'd be cool (we can obviously see each other's belt level). How should I approach this guy, or should I just avoid him? Right before we bumped fists, someone else told me to watch out for him, which at the time I took to mean he's just really good. Now I know what that guy was talking about.
Avoid like a plague, the guy's a dick and there's no point in getting injured
I would avoid him, if you ever do roll with him anymore just ask just him to help you with arm bar techniques or whatever you wanna improve on.
I straight up will not roll with a couple guys in my gym. Not because they are bad asses but because they spaz out every time. I just straight up said no when they asked to roll with me a few times. They don’t even look my way to ask anymore. Also that’s why I love nogi. It evens things out. I’m a blue belt and can smash brown and black belts in nogi because of my wrestling and mma experience. Not in gi lol
Wow man. Bro why don't you let your sensie know. You should go and enjoy your BJJ not train with fear. Speak to your sensie and if he does not sort it go to another dojo. I'm a white belt with 3 stripes. I spared with a spaz and this guy has stacked me on my neck quiet badly a few times.
Can he strike? If not I think you found a way to break the ego.. friendly kickboxing never hurt anyone
As far as I'm concerned, they needed to tap, and they were just being too prideful to get tapped by a lower rank. I feel like that's the point of BJJ.
Good point, ego and martial arts don't mix well. This seems like a cool channel.
Yeah we're hear to roll...and my ex instructor would tell us if you don't tap ....just keep going until you do.. even if you were stupid enough to hold on and get hurt...
Well said Chewy. The 10 second rule has always been pushed by our instructors, especially when applying the RNC, as you can't see your opponents face.
And subbed. Great advice. The blue belt will also progress at a stunted pace with the win the roll at all cost attitude.
100% the black belts fault. Look when you’re new, you have an extremely high view of black belts. You assume that if they’re in a certain position then either they’re allowing it or they could escape any time they want. Either way a newbie will think the black belt is fine.
The reality is that this black belt didn’t want to tap to a blue belt, not even to teach an opportunity. He let his ego get in the way of saving his neck and leg a good teaching opportunity escape.
TKD Guy I agree. While it’s annoying to deal with inappropriate behavior, a superior should always use student’s mistakes as learning opportunities (in every facet of life, not just in BJJ). Teachers should always remind themselves that it is more important to correct bad behavior for the future than to punish it after the fact.
You are right!
100% !
TKD Guy that’s what I thought
i mean the guy isnt new though hes a blue belt, and he's huge. the dude should be more than used to the proper way to roll as someone his size
You don't tap to scarf hold 🙄 it's not even a submission.
If you're rolling you need to watch this video.
Awesome video! Would it be possible for you to do a tutorial on the rear naked choke and/or bulldog choke when your opponent ducks their chin, and you can't get under it? This seems to be an issue in my training, and I see it quite regularly, so your insights would be really helpful.
Cheers,
Christine
This is such an awesome video man, I found your channel as I've been getting into UFC and MMA more broadly, just trying to find a discipline in which I'd like to start my own training. The reason that this spoke to me so closely is that I recently got into a pretty heated situation with my boss (I'm a cook, he's a chef, so the shit's bound to pop off some times) where I felt that he verbally lashed out at me in anger in much the same way that the black belt in the story had.
I'm the same way as you're describing with maintaining the sacrosanctity of important spaces, so I tried to talk to him the next day and extend the olive branch. Before he blew up in my face he'd been barking orders (near literally) at cooks and servers alike and I was sarcastic to him when he commanded me to do something which I'd already done. I watched this man's mind close and walls come up before my eyes, he really spit in the face of my apology while offering no contrition of his own and trying to justify physically getting in my space and mocking me to my face. I've gone in the course of a weekend from never getting into real drama or having real beef in the workplace to almost getting into two physical confrontations with my boss at work. Fuck. Just wanted to leave this little anecdote here as an example of when even pushing past your own discomfort, swallowing your own pride, and reaching out to someone who's wronged you doesn't lead to a real moment of emotional honesty. Have you had experiences where you experienced similar naked aggression in response to your reaching out?
Outstanding! Solid talk, and we need more of this discussion going on.
I did that and the guy I was rolling with just quietly said "All your doing is squeezing my head".
Love the vids Chewy 💪🏻
Hey do you ever do follow-up videos so we can get updates on how your advice panned out for these folks? I'd love to hear a happy ending on this one if Neal ever lets you know.
My judo club trained in a bjj club in the summer. There was a 3rd degree black belt with like 6-8 years of wrestling experience, who was also a heavyweight. He was also slightly socially handicapped and didn’t know his own strength.. he threw really really hard and would often go straight into scarf hold neck crank pin. Most of the bjj guys didn’t like rolling with him, obviously. I had to mention to him that he’s twice my size and didn’t need to slam me so hard. After that he was a great partner and treated me almost like a little brother and I learned a great deal from him.
Some people just don’t understand certain etiquette and need a friendly reminder.
I've been "that guy". I tried to pop out of a triangle by standing and shaking a higher belt, the guy got all freaked out like I tried to assault him, and everyone else shunned me (without actually seeing what happened). I meant him no harm, I just wanted out. While I was probably wrong to not just tap in a BJJ setting, I also felt unnecessarily shunned. Looking back, all I have to say is don't shun low belts. They don't what they're doing. That's like getting mad at your dog fro doing something they shouldn't: they don't know your rules. Be a leader. Step up when others shun someone, give that person another chance and explain how respect works in BJJ. Don't just toss them out. Nobody appreciates that.
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I kneebarred a blackbelt when I was a 4 stripe white belt and he was very stubborn about it when I fully extended it, eventually getting out but it definitely hyperextended. He then proceeded to put me in a twister and afterwards told me white belts can’t do leg locks even though I learned them at a previous gym. Getting cussed out isn’t too bad, sometimes a black belt forgets about the losing your ego at the gym. They think they have to defend black belt honor or something and they kinda do.
William Wright the bb was correct, you can only Achilles lock up to brown belt
There's a reason why white belts shouldnt do knee bars. They don't know how to apply pressure well and usually try cranking or forcing things which will tear knees and end someone's career
Naaa if he learned the knie bar right than there should be no problem.... dont know William did you learned it right?
MrJasonekos then tap. Wouldn’t that make the most sense?
You're not very bright to upset a black belt lol
LmaO I can so relate to this... I was like this when I first started and I felt like I was dominating but eventually I saw that I mainly used my weight and power against them and not really technique but When I made the switch though to use more technique people began to like to roll with me and that felt good and boost my game as well.
It's so neat the way you teach. So relatable and easygoing. I consider your videos my go to material when a question or argument comes up. " oh yeah? Let's see what Chewy says" lol same thing happened yesterday to me with a d'arse
Awesome breakdown of the issues at hand; it’s given me some great points to bring back, as I also sometimes have challenges finding partners. I need to be more clear about the partnership.
Guy in my gym who is good at jiu jitsu, but I don't like rolling with him because he trash talks while we roll. Tells me I've got nothing while going for submissions, mocks you if he sweeps you, just bloody annoying
UmakeMeMoist that sucks man. My coach would talk to him and kick him out if he keeps it up. We have a no douche bag policy
Naaa its your fault, if you take that to your hart.... your figthing man, dont be a pussy
@@momoswandelndesschloss4047 i didn't say he offended me. I said it's annoying. He's a white belt, I don't take anything he tells me to 'heart'
Than shut his mouth...
@@Arthur_Wellesley give him a taste of his own medicine
The black belt should have tapped. His ego got in the way.
Both their egos got in the way, so the big person wins
100%
@@Ynotnow9900 Disagree the black belt got super salty because he was being controlled and neutralized by a lower rank that's why he freaked out ego meltdown seen them before.
No, it wasn't a submission. It's like keeping knee on chest for too long. It's a cheap move. The Blue Belt had the ego problem trying to 'get' a Black Belt. That's not how you rise in BJJ.
@@bxlawless100 then the black belt should have calmly explained that not freak out
I don't actually agree. This big blue belt clearly is at wrong gym. They don't know how to teach and guide him. None wish to train with him. Get out from there it's not your place.
riling He might have joined as a blue belt
7:00 right there. This is the best video I've seen from you Chewjitsu thank you
Excellent advice. If done properly both parties continue their martial arts journey confident in their ability to train safe and communicate effectively. Just found your channel and really enjoying it.