I have been enrolled in the UK Tesla VPP for the past 12 months. The advantage is I can import and export electricity at the same price (24p) which is lower than the current energy import price (34p) and better than current export price (15p). The disadvantage is I have no control of the powerwall and Tesla only guarantee to leave 20% capacity available for me in emergencies. Also, they cycle the powerwall from 100% to 20% and back to 100% each day whereas I would typically only discharge it to 60% each day. Potentially that will reduce the lifespan of the batteries.
Yeah here in the US they also charge it to 100% down to 20% everyday. And I also have no control over that as well. The internet claims these are the same lithium ion batteries used in the cars so I cant imagine my pack will last the 7 year warranty after 365×7 20%-100% cycles.
Also buying the powerwall was dumb considering here in California we are grandfathered into a 1 to 1 net metering program. If it were up to me the powerwall wouldn't be allowed to dip below 60% because it is essentially just a back up is what we bought it for. Which it cant really do if it's at 20% during an outage.
In Texas the electricity infrastructure was not designed to handle the extreme cold. It failed. The wind turbines have cold weather kits but they cheaped out. The gas piping and valves etc were not insulated and heat traced. Lots of parts are cheaper when they don’t meet extreme design conditions. Tesla does things differently. Way better. And always improving.
well, too many accepted the Gorical & his disciples proclamations of global warming as settled science. so, what was the point of spending more cash to buy extra subfreezing temps protection for wind turbines? better to just spend those dollars on more turbines. [they now call it "climate change" but, that name is more recent.] Texas get significantly more power from wind turbines that any other state - 26% of all US wind generated electricity in 2021 was produced in Texas. what Texas really needs is storage, Tesla's strength, to store energy when demand is low. wind turbines & even solar power must be curtailed at times to save the grid from overloading.
@@gringoviejo1935 That is illogical. You think all that is needed is battery storage when these windmills don’t have the weather protection? Wait for it. -32c here today
Cold weather kits don't matter because the mills didn't freeze, there was no wind. In all areas, there is only wind when weather systems are moving. When a cold front settles into a region like last year, there is never any wind. In the end you might have a hundred mills sitting there running their blade toasters and keeping nice and toasty, with zero wind, being a bet draw on the grid. It's a fundamental problem with wind. It produces the least energy when temperature is at it's extremes.
The problem with wind and solar isn't the equipment freezing but icing from a damp winter storm. The core issue is intermittency and the need to remove it. There needs to be dispatchable energy in times of unpredictable demand.
I hope we can get vehicle-to-load for our Teslas soon, if possible. Being able to tap into a 100 kWh battery, combined with reduced usage in emergencies, will go a very long way.
I found this quote online " For the time being, no Tesla models are capable of bidirectional charging. It’s possible (even likely) that all 2022 Tesla models have the necessary hardware for V2G or V2L, or V2H. However, Tesla has alternative motives for delaying bidirectional charging rollout for as long as possible. If Tesla vehicles became V2H-capable, they would render the $10,500 Tesla Powerwall home battery obsolete!" Also found: "Musk and Tesla have some reason not to be so enthusiastic about it, even if the new developments in battery storage technology deliver longer life batteries that may not be so impacted by the more regular cycling in V2G. Tesla has a rival product - the stationary storage units such as Powerwalls - and also has grand plans for autonomous driving, creating a fleet of “robo-taxis” that will be in near continuous use, at least when they are not charging. That means it might come down to how much an EV is paid to provide services to the grid compared to operating as a transport service. “It will be problematic if you get to the morning, and instead of being charged, (the car) has discharged,” Musk said. “It will be better to have a Powerwall and a car operating separately. Then everything works.” The irony is that Musk suggested that providing the V2G in a Tesla EV could be as simple as updating the software. And he said it was offered in the company’s first product, the Roadster “but nobody used it” (which is perhaps not surprising given the nature of the vehicle)."
Frozen gas pipelines was caused by short sighted power plant owners, saved money not installing freeze protection. Wind mill blades had no freeze protection or deicers for the blades. Those were not the only weather problems. Fire Sprinkle pipes, out door wall mounted water heaters froze too. The Texas Deep Freeze 2021 was the storm of the century but Dec 23, 2022 it got down to 10 degrees. The coldest night in Dallas/Fort Worth: 8 below zero set in 1899.
I am glad that ERCOT weatherized our grid, this winter there were very few outages. When there were outages they were localized and because of fallen tree branches mostly. They were producing more energy than we were consuming.
ERCOT weatherization is not mandatory and power companies need only pay a small fine. Also - there is no required public reporting on grid weatherization in Texas. Anyone who told you it is weatherized is lying to you.
@E F ERCOT themselves said it was weatherized as well as many, many people ranging from civilians to government officials on Twitter after the freeze last year.
Pipes freezing did not stop the flow of Natural Gas. I had natural gas the whole time but no power. The hot water heater stayed lit the entire time, and if I had a generator at the time I would of had natural gas heat. The failure was due to more than half the generators were taken down for maintenance to prepare for summer as we do not usually get a winter blast in Feb. It is usually heating up by then. Wind and solar could not support the load, and Tesla power plants had not been built yet to store that wind and solar. Now that there is a Tesla power plant 30 minutes from me, I would like to see if that could supply power for this area.
@3:35 -- _"Two dollars per killowatt hour, which is not much..."_ Are you joking?! In my town we pay about 6.5 _cents_ per kwh, which is pretty cheap, admittedly, but even in an expensive area you wouldn't expect to pay more than about 50 cents. I don't dispute that you might be able to get two dollars under certain circumstances, but to call that "not much" is just bonkers.
I saw that too. $2 may have been some sort of extreme price paid by the grid when it's in extreme supply deficit. For a closed system in TX that might happen more frequently than we realize, esp last year when they had 100+ temps for months at a time.
This is a helpful explanation but the biggest thing Tesla is missing is the power stored in its cars. Any Tesla vehicle has multiple times the power in its battery than any powerwall has. By refusing to allow the cars to provide the power back to the house, powerwall or VPP, it is a lost source that needs to be activated. In addition, the massive growth of megapacks should also be included combined with TESLA solar fields.
I don’t know that they are missing it, but you make an excellent point! EV batteries have much more capacity than even a very large power wall install! The best solution would tap into both IMO, Cheers
@@kaf2303 YEs, exactly and in teh Cybertruck, where it is allowed the owner can say how much charge should be left. If you know yu can always go to a supercharger withing 15 miles, you can go down to 10% charge and use up to 90% for the house. I also wonder if it would be possible to trickle-charge directly from solar panels. All these options should be integrated to really reach Tesla vision to a fully integrated electric energy future
The first VPP to utilize Tesla Powerwalls is located in Vermont and is managed by the state's largest utility, Green Mountain Power. The utility leases specially modified Powerwalls to customers who wish to participate in the program. GMP can remotely control the Powerwalls from its headquarters, adding energy to the Vermont grid exactly where it's needed.
In 1970 they had mats that could be rolled out in the ocean that created elec. When heavy weather was in the forecast they would roll these mats up rather quickly. These mats were the size of city blocks. You may have to look into wave action for another way to help create power.
About a year ago I tried to sign up for Tesla solar and battery packs but they were not available in San Antonio yet. I opted to go for a non-tesla solution with similar battery packs. A couple of weeks ago I received an e-mail from Tesla saying solar systems were now available in my area. It would be cool to cash in on participating in the Tesla energy service but I'm just as content receiving a credit on my power bill from CPS every month.
It doesn't mean that you needed six powerwalls0 to last a week while the power was off it just means that six others had to exist somewhere else in the state
Tesla's own Giga Austin complex could eventually contribute a reasonable amount of power generation, primarily solar, to the Texas Grid if they were to take advantage of all of the outdoor parking & materials storage areas (including) all of the circulatory bits. By circulatory bits I'm talking about the access routes within these areas. People only tend to think of the airspace above parked vehicles or stored items but the airspace areas in-between these amount to a fair bit of unrealised potential power generation too. When considering how to manage the 'heat island effect' of the built environment, shading from solar canopies can make a significant contribution towards lowering the negative impacts of this phenomenon such as lowering demands on electricity for cooling, healthcare services & in the case of EV charging stations, make them far more efficient by keeping both cars & infrastructure cooler. Giga Austin is going to become a vast industrial complex. Of course they'll want to utilise as much of their own power generation capacity as possible, but this should still leave a significant amount of excess generation capacity that shouldn't go unused.
Not true. Even with 100% coverage on every available square meter of roof, parking area, and storage space, Giga Texas won't even produce half of what it consumes. The math is easy to do and the areas are known, as is the power consumption of the plant (on file with the building permits if you want them. $35 for basic plans, more for complete ones)
I think the real solution is distributed solar, wind, geo thermal, and storage. Think about if every home had geothermal heating and cooling, 3-5kw of solar, a 3-5kw windmill, and storage.
Samsung got stung to the tune of several million dollars when their chip plant crashed. Other industrial industries also were damaged as processes stopped dead in their tracks. Those companies will also be potential customers for Tesla grid scale battery systems that can replace on site UPS-diesel generators systems.
While virtual "power plants" sound nice eventually you will have to have a non-virtual power plant. Everything can not run on virtual generators forever. I like the idea of working together but in this case I am not sure I would recommend it this way.
It's worth pointing out that the wind turbines froze because operators & ERCOT failed to ask fundamental question behooved by ANY public utility; "what if?" Wind turbines work perfectly well in northern Europe & UK, both in on & offshore locales. They're designed in such a way as to have provision for (precisely) this type of scenario as our weather regularly experiences freezing temperatures. Those responsible for design, in their arrogance, failed in their basic duties making ridiculous assumptions about Texan weather patterns. Just because it's normally fairly benign in any given area, this doesn't mean it will always be so, particularly as climate change gathers pace; people [died] as a result of their negligence.
Texas didn't spend the money for the Cold Weather Package for their turbines. Here in the northern states we do and ours can continue operating down to -30°C
Exactly! 💯% All that silly blame game by the Texan Governor on renewables for the failure of the grid was just a deliberate political misinformation misdirection campaign so he & his mates wouldn't look responsible for not doing their due diligence. I'm a wee bit surprised that, given how litigious the Americans are, nobody sued over the deaths caused by failure of the grid. Americans seems to want to sue everyone at the drop of a hat. 🤠😅
Tesla Energy Ventures needs to push as hard as possible in Texas whilst duplicating its efforts in Reno and surrounding areas for Tesla's Gigafactory 1 with an expansion to all of Nevada. Tying up the vertical block with 1. Texas 2. Reno (Nevada) 3. Nevada 4. Florida (remote parts) 5. Tennessee 6. Utah
Re: the windmills freezing in 2021, you said that wind was only 7%. Look again, from a chart on ERCOT it shows wind 29% for 2021. Way back in 2011 wind was 9%. In 2021 Solar was 6%.
You have to be careful with this kind of datas. In the case of solar and power, there can be a huge gap between the energy production capabilities and the actual contribution to the energy consumption, since solar and wind are unreliable and don't necessarily produce energy when you actually need it.
@@gbinman the numbers I'm seeing from ERCOT are a bit lower, but still far more that 7%. As soon as he said it I called BS and looked it up. Looks like the 29% includes both wind and solar, since the 2021 numbers show a little over 24% wind, and a little over 4% solar. Plus, those bagging on the TX grid seem to totally fail to recognize that it was a freeze the likes TX hasn't seen in 126 years, and TX wasn't alone, with (I think) 13 states having grid problems during that event.
Windmills require an operational grid in order to sync to and supply energy to the grid. Battery storage will allow the grid to be operational during periods in which it may otherwise fail. Battery storage will thus allow wind energy/windmills to maintain their output, and additionally regulate wind power energy variations during these same intervals of potential outage.
Tesla Energy might want to consider partnering with We Solar it could be a beautiful partnership that can help bring both companies visions into quicker reality.
Very good explanation of 2021 power outages. Just two minor additions. True because of deregulation Texans could not buy energy out of state but they could have bought from Mexico. Secondly Warren Buffet offered to build two standby emergency only electrical generation stations at an estimated billion dollars each for an annual $80,000,000 fee. Giving him about ten percent return. That would have taken care of any future shortages but they said no thanks and are passing on costs to rate payers. A small percent of repairs came out of their raining day fund. What's going on with Texas? Well they have cheap electricity to encourage businesses to relocate there and it looks like that strategy is working!
"billion dollars each for an annual $80,000,000 fee. Giving him about ten percent return. " Something is wrong with the math there. That's only an 8% return.
Agreed! The fact tesla hasn't allowed it's cars to backfeed electricity is ridiculous, as well as being charged directly from solar. Having 2 teslas and tesla solar I should be able to be completely off grid during an outage.
Many of Teslas superchargers are supplemented with solar and mega batteries. This will Allow lower charging prices compared with competitors and continued power during brownouts
There are 11 million homes in Texas Even if Tesla did 3000 powerwall/solar roofs yearly in Texas (The total it has in California) it would take decades to get a fraction of a percent.
Good video! Tesla should experiment with a couple large scale cheap sand batteries and see how they could work on their grid in Texas! Seems like they would work well ☺️
You said that when the power line is down to your house, that's when the powerwall at home is key. I thought that the powerwalls did NOT power the house when there was no power to the house, which struck me as completely ridiculous. So, will Tesla PWs work offgrid or not?
Can't find the video now. But did saw other day a person with 2 powerwall and solar charging is model X during a outage, the car was told to keep the powerwall at 90% and only use the remaining solar power to charge, all this with the air von/heat pump working to keep the house climatize.
I have solar and two Tesla Powerwalls. Before I got the Powerwalls my solar array would not power my house if the grid was down. With the two Powerwalls, my solar array will power the house and charge the Powerwalls if the grid is down. We have had outages since the Powerwalls were installed, but I didn't notice them. The switchover to off grid and back was instantaneous. I'm in a single provider part of the Texas grid and can't participate in the VPP.
In Oklahoma, the windmills were a problem and they make up up to 40% of our grid. The problem with wind is when a cold front settles into a region, there is never any wind. Wind is overused in our region and is unreliable, in that it produces the least energy when temperature is at it's extremes. Gas lines can easily be protected from freezing, but in the last 2 winters we have gotten much colder than our seasonal averages. Batteries may be the final answer, but when wind stops, and it's negative 10f outside in Oklahoma, as it always does when it's that cold, it will take a lot of batteries to make up the difference. We need to weatherize out gas lines and keep those plants online.
Great video, I enjoy all your post and just wanted to point out one small correction. Wind mills make flour and Wind turbines make electricity. Other than that fantastic job!
If Tesla doesn't allow the owner of the powerwall to limit reserve to 50 percent then they own it and should be paying for replacement when it needs to at the same percent they try to reserve
@@arishem555 In Madison Wisconsin almost all power lines are run underground. This is done in many parts of Wisconsin. When Ice storms or Tornados etc happen we are not as vulnerable. I lived in Florida where we had 4 hurricanes in one year across the state. That's lots of electric poles replaced over the years.
You are talking about just the summer months to make enough to cover both the fees for the unit and your power bills. What about other nine months? Also this is California where prices are already sky high. It seems to be that in most other places, the people who have this would be operating at a loss.
The whole system has to be monitored, and information has to reach each battery pack stored in individual has just in time. If there is cyber attack, or for some reason wifi is down, the battery pack become useless. They need to work together to bring an impact to the society, but I don't see a way that is done efficiently. So many things could go wrong.
We already have the tech needed to make everything far better. Including humanity itself. Look into the tech and potential of the tech, yourselves. You'll see.😎🇺🇲
Right, and it the governments with their red tape and regulations that keeps the tech from being implemented. Definitely some regulations are necessary, but it gets ridiculous real quick.
Combine self running generators and power walls in homes and businesses for seemingly endless clean energy everywhere all the time. Have a mechanical direct connect to the axle of EVs and solar, to super charge them. No more plugging in. Use V2G tech to transfer extra energy to the power grid so the EVs don't overcharge. You need to be able manually move the gears on and off the axle if something happens and your extra energy isn't going back to the grid for some reason. 😎🇺🇲
A few thousand houses worth of power walls wouldn't have saved Texas from freezing over. Localized micro-grids are the future in sustainable energy. Batteries can't handle the losses that come with distance.
You were close. But you did mis the reason Texas had a power shortage during the winter storm. It was not because of renewable energy. It was because Texas had allowed the decommissioning of several gas powered plants. Expecting they would never need them due to the renewable energy pact. Our state politicians didn't listen to the engineers. This is when people who no little ignore those who have the knowledge. This has become a common practice.
if you want to see what a future Texas electricity grid might look like all you have to do is look at the state of South Australia. the state has only one link to the east coast integrated network in Australia. SA has the highest penetration of solar and wind generation and grid scale storage. SA has the lowest electricity costs in all of Australia. SA was the first grid in the world to deploy a Tesla big battery.
So, this is the comment with real Tesla Electric provider experience. You would not be able to choose anymore when to switch to the battery or to the grid. YOu won't be able to program. The only time you will drain energy from the battery is from 4 to 7pm. That's it. And all other times you will either use it from the sun, - or from the grid, - which costs you around 14 cents per kWh (and this price can change at any time). Whenever you are selling your energy, - the average price in Houston would be 1.4-2.5 cents per kWh. Guess now what Tesla is doing? They are making money on us. They installed wind farms somewhere (not much) and instead of selling that energy to the grid for 2 cents, - they are selling it to us for 14. But luckily we do have the option to go off-grid. With some automation, I was able to program it to go off-grid and back online. If for some reason Tesla would decide to remove the button "Go OffGrid", - I'd install an extra smart disconnect from Siemens for example which I will be able to automate through the smart home and still can be in control of how I am using Energy. Be careful before you go Solar. You can get lots of issues without knowing all the tricks. I learned from FB group the best way to go solar: install a small array *8 panels", - which will lower your daily usage + you can do laundry, dry clothes, dishwasher and run another high load. Next to it choose the "free nights" plan, - where you will not pay for energy from 7pm till morning. I believe the game changer would be when we will be able to use Tesla car battery as the extender, - so whenever you have extra load, - we would be able to offset it into car in fully automatic mode. But it's not there yet. I'd try to find some kind of automation to charge my car whenever I have excessive generation, - but I don't want to sell it for 2 cents, - and furthermore, - I bet they are still charging for energy export to the grid.
Utilities pay $2/kw hour but what would they pay to a "peaker plant"? Why is the compensation dictated by only one party? Why does competition have to get permission to compete in a so-called capitalist system? We know the regulatory bureaucrats are not neutral, not ruling only by public interest, as they say and as they should be. Govt., politicians always have their self-interest first/foremost, protect their cronies (unofficial business partners, i.e., those who legally bribe) as their standard, NOT us. Example? Monopolies! We are told they are better, necessary, and refuse to explain. They serve TPTB, and only them.
Are you aware that Texas declined to use the the heaters that are in the colder climates windmills? Private sector one of the save some money, and that is why the windmills failed. They didn't want to pay for these heaters because Texas doesn't freeze like that, ho ho.
It was because we shut down coal plants which would have provided the sustainable energy required when the gas lines and windmills froze - not BECAUSE they froze. Missing that point undermines the whole argument you are making. VPP is still cool though.
They better pay you well. It will reduce the life of your battery. Tesla won't let you use the cars as a stationary power source. They void the warranty if you do. Probably because the battery goes bad faster and they don't have an easy way to measure it's use in that application.
We're back to the Thomas Edison 19th century idea of DC power? Yikes. But great inefficiency is the hallmark of the world order. It really creates a lot of problems.
this is probably a backup plan. imagine if each household will have a hydrogen generation device and then you can order a truck to pick up your monthly generated hydrogen. or you can fuel your fuel-cell car per your needs. but from what I heard it is probably never gonna happen, - cause it is explosive and nobody would allow to have hydrogen generation in your residence.
Nope, I live in Texas and know tou are wrong but here is the data to back it up. Texas energy generation mix: Natural gas = 42% Coal = 19% Wind = 24% Nuclear = 10% Solar = 4% That's not what I would call "all in on renewables"
@@That-Guy_ I did look it up and in February 2020 Texas got 25% of its energy from renewables. Problem is, when the storm hit their ability to produce electricity dropped to 8%. Your stat of average means nothing, the ability to be reliable, when the storm hits, means everything. Thank you.
Nice video! I enjoy your videos and agree with most of what you say but please try to keep it politically neutral. Renewables are very important and it’s not a winning strategy to alienate anybody. It’s not fair to use what Carlson and Abbot say (7:50 into video), on one side of your argument, about how much energy is provided by wind turbines (about 7%), and then use wind turbines to bolster your argument (8:33 into video) in favor of energy storage (that same 7%). It's either significant or it's not. I know you know this; we need fossil fuels right now to supplement renewables. I think most of us hope one day we will not. Keep up the good work!!
So from what I'm understanding is that one power wall would keep the lights on for One Day. So, I would have needed 6 of those to have lasted me through the shutdown. Google says that I can get a two-pack for 18.500. So for 111 Grand... Nope. Our propane tank kept us warm and the pipes above freezing. Although it wasn't fun, we survived quite nicely. People in the North and people in hurricane areas can go for weeks without power. They are the areas that need these far more than most of Texas.
My friend who lives in Texas says that its power grid is a joke and disaster because the politicians are so corrupt and in bed with Big Willy who makes you give the job running the power plant to his nephew Jethro. lol. Runs data centers down there and they are always losing power.
I think that is assuming you run your house at your usual levels. Lights, stove and whatever used as normal. We had a 5 day power loss a few winters ago and we’re fine with a small generator. Didn’t run it full time. Just as needed. Used 5 gallons of gas.
Scale is the problem. Renewables + storage... nope. IIRC, the land area required to hit the current US government's targets would be 30% BIGGER than the entire state of Texas. It's not dense enough, it's too intermittent. Renewables can't do the job.
A decentralized system is more resilient and having storage throughout the grid makes it more reliable and smooths out variation. Let nuclear and hydro provide base load while battery with wind and solar to follow the day load curve where you have plenty of wind and sun.
The real answer if Fission, but not the Cold War relic that the nuclear industry refuses to upgrade away from. We need walk away safe reactors, with high fuel Efficiency to reduce the amount of radioactive waste as well as waste longevity. Solar great, but people under estimate how much power is going to be needed to start removing fossil fuel from every day life.
So you make a big investment in a Tesla solar system and then you sell the energy you store from it and go powerless when the utility is not sending you power back? Hmmmm
Wind turbines are unreliable obviously, and trying to manage that issue with batteries is not green at all (rare earth mining, that's not renewable either by the way), it is extremely costly and only a partial solution. The real solution is nuclear energy since it is both reliable (we can control the output at anytime to adjust to the demand) and clean (no co2 or other atmospheric pollution, wastes can be confined in a small and secured space).
We are going to earth mine no matter what, we will always need metals and precious metals to make and build things, it's inevitable, why not use the mining to help build renewable energy systems? Too many people whining about this and that, just be happy of the good change and not more oil burning cancer causing pollution air breathing
Nuclear is cheaper to start and much more expensive to clean up if you can figure out how. Uranium is mined. There are areas near us that are old uranium mines and the remediation is costly and ongoing.
As great as tesla is at software. The fact their cars aren't "allowed" to back feed electricity, is incredibly dumb. (Powerwall=10kwh, tesla vehicle~100kwh)
$2/kWh? Holy shit I get about 5.5c/kWh...we have so much home rooftop solar generation in Australia they are curtailing the amount you can export to the grid & will soon start to tax it.
Good idea still worthless due to ROI for consumer and on going cost. The California and Japan cases didn’t care about cost but regular consumer will. Natural gas is still way cheaper operating JIT like all. They will easily kill this with little infrastructure and keep cost to pennies when they decide. While don’t necessarily agree it is a fact of what will happen. Some of you should drive the full length of West Texas to know what you are really talking about.
All that matters is what is the night time usage, 4p16s has 64 batteries same as in the megapack unites and holds roughly 60kw. Scale that up to meet nighttime usage for Texas adding in 2 weeks of storage and you find battery storage is no were ready.
I have been enrolled in the UK Tesla VPP for the past 12 months. The advantage is I can import and export electricity at the same price (24p) which is lower than the current energy import price (34p) and better than current export price (15p). The disadvantage is I have no control of the powerwall and Tesla only guarantee to leave 20% capacity available for me in emergencies. Also, they cycle the powerwall from 100% to 20% and back to 100% each day whereas I would typically only discharge it to 60% each day. Potentially that will reduce the lifespan of the batteries.
Yeah here in the US they also charge it to 100% down to 20% everyday. And I also have no control over that as well. The internet claims these are the same lithium ion batteries used in the cars so I cant imagine my pack will last the 7 year warranty after 365×7 20%-100% cycles.
Also buying the powerwall was dumb considering here in California we are grandfathered into a 1 to 1 net metering program. If it were up to me the powerwall wouldn't be allowed to dip below 60% because it is essentially just a back up is what we bought it for. Which it cant really do if it's at 20% during an outage.
Imagine you could use your Tesla vehicle battery. That would start really generate income and hopefully you could say: 10% - 80% range
@@AMeierhoeferI can use my Tesla as a backup (Cybertruck)
In Texas the electricity infrastructure was not designed to handle the extreme cold. It failed. The wind turbines have cold weather kits but they cheaped out. The gas piping and valves etc were not insulated and heat traced. Lots of parts are cheaper when they don’t meet extreme design conditions. Tesla does things differently. Way better. And always improving.
well, too many accepted the Gorical & his disciples proclamations of global warming as settled science. so, what was the point of spending more cash to buy extra subfreezing temps protection for wind turbines? better to just spend those dollars on more turbines. [they now call it "climate change" but, that name is more recent.] Texas get significantly more power from wind turbines that any other state - 26% of all US wind generated electricity in 2021 was produced in Texas.
what Texas really needs is storage, Tesla's strength, to store energy when demand is low. wind turbines & even solar power must be curtailed at times to save the grid from overloading.
@@gringoviejo1935 That is illogical. You think all that is needed is battery storage when these windmills don’t have the weather protection? Wait for it. -32c here today
Electric pools are made from wood... Probably termites ar responsibility 🤣
Cold weather kits don't matter because the mills didn't freeze, there was no wind. In all areas, there is only wind when weather systems are moving. When a cold front settles into a region like last year, there is never any wind. In the end you might have a hundred mills sitting there running their blade toasters and keeping nice and toasty, with zero wind, being a bet draw on the grid. It's a fundamental problem with wind. It produces the least energy when temperature is at it's extremes.
The problem with wind and solar isn't the equipment freezing but icing from a damp winter storm. The core issue is intermittency and the need to remove it. There needs to be dispatchable energy in times of unpredictable demand.
I hope we can get vehicle-to-load for our Teslas soon, if possible. Being able to tap into a 100 kWh battery, combined with reduced usage in emergencies, will go a very long way.
100% agree with this
I found this quote online " For the time being, no Tesla models are capable of bidirectional charging. It’s possible (even likely) that all 2022 Tesla models have the necessary hardware for V2G or V2L, or V2H. However, Tesla has alternative motives for delaying bidirectional charging rollout for as long as possible. If Tesla vehicles became V2H-capable, they would render the $10,500 Tesla Powerwall home battery obsolete!"
Also found: "Musk and Tesla have some reason not to be so enthusiastic about it, even if the new developments in battery storage technology deliver longer life batteries that may not be so impacted by the more regular cycling in V2G.
Tesla has a rival product - the stationary storage units such as Powerwalls - and also has grand plans for autonomous driving, creating a fleet of “robo-taxis” that will be in near continuous use, at least when they are not charging. That means it might come down to how much an EV is paid to provide services to the grid compared to operating as a transport service.
“It will be problematic if you get to the morning, and instead of being charged, (the car) has discharged,” Musk said. “It will be better to have a Powerwall and a car operating separately. Then everything works.”
The irony is that Musk suggested that providing the V2G in a Tesla EV could be as simple as updating the software. And he said it was offered in the company’s first product, the Roadster “but nobody used it” (which is perhaps not surprising given the nature of the vehicle)."
Frozen gas pipelines was caused by short sighted power plant owners, saved money not installing freeze protection. Wind mill blades had no freeze protection or deicers for the blades. Those were not the only weather problems. Fire Sprinkle pipes, out door wall mounted water heaters froze too. The Texas Deep Freeze 2021 was the storm of the century but Dec 23, 2022 it got down to 10 degrees. The coldest night in Dallas/Fort Worth: 8 below zero set in 1899.
I am glad that ERCOT weatherized our grid, this winter there were very few outages. When there were outages they were localized and because of fallen tree branches mostly. They were producing more energy than we were consuming.
ERCOT weatherization is not mandatory and power companies need only pay a small fine. Also - there is no required public reporting on grid weatherization in Texas. Anyone who told you it is weatherized is lying to you.
@E F ERCOT themselves said it was weatherized as well as many, many people ranging from civilians to government officials on Twitter after the freeze last year.
Pipes freezing did not stop the flow of Natural Gas. I had natural gas the whole time but no power. The hot water heater stayed lit the entire time, and if I had a generator at the time I would of had natural gas heat. The failure was due to more than half the generators were taken down for maintenance to prepare for summer as we do not usually get a winter blast in Feb. It is usually heating up by then. Wind and solar could not support the load, and Tesla power plants had not been built yet to store that wind and solar. Now that there is a Tesla power plant 30 minutes from me, I would like to see if that could supply power for this area.
@3:35 -- _"Two dollars per killowatt hour, which is not much..."_
Are you joking?! In my town we pay about 6.5 _cents_ per kwh, which is pretty cheap, admittedly, but even in an expensive area you wouldn't expect to pay more than about 50 cents. I don't dispute that you might be able to get two dollars under certain circumstances, but to call that "not much" is just bonkers.
I saw that too. $2 may have been some sort of extreme price paid by the grid when it's in extreme supply deficit. For a closed system in TX that might happen more frequently than we realize, esp last year when they had 100+ temps for months at a time.
Same, i would like to get a clarification. I love this content and want to know how to get 2 $ per kwh.
This is a helpful explanation but the biggest thing Tesla is missing is the power stored in its cars. Any Tesla vehicle has multiple times the power in its battery than any powerwall has. By refusing to allow the cars to provide the power back to the house, powerwall or VPP, it is a lost source that needs to be activated. In addition, the massive growth of megapacks should also be included combined with TESLA solar fields.
I don’t know that they are missing it, but you make an excellent point!
EV batteries have much more capacity than even a very large power wall install!
The best solution would tap into both IMO, Cheers
@@kaf2303 YEs, exactly and in teh Cybertruck, where it is allowed the owner can say how much charge should be left. If you know yu can always go to a supercharger withing 15 miles, you can go down to 10% charge and use up to 90% for the house. I also wonder if it would be possible to trickle-charge directly from solar panels. All these options should be integrated to really reach Tesla vision to a fully integrated electric energy future
The first VPP to utilize Tesla Powerwalls is located in Vermont and is managed by the state's largest utility, Green Mountain Power. The utility leases specially modified Powerwalls to customers who wish to participate in the program. GMP can remotely control the Powerwalls from its headquarters, adding energy to the Vermont grid exactly where it's needed.
In 1970 they had mats that could be rolled out in the ocean that created elec. When heavy weather was in the forecast they would roll these mats up rather quickly. These mats were the size of city blocks. You may have to look into wave action for another way to help create power.
About a year ago I tried to sign up for Tesla solar and battery packs but they were not available in San Antonio yet. I opted to go for a non-tesla solution with similar battery packs. A couple of weeks ago I received an e-mail from Tesla saying solar systems were now available in my area. It would be cool to cash in on participating in the Tesla energy service but I'm just as content receiving a credit on my power bill from CPS every month.
Cps?
Could you do an update on this subject since the storm just blew through? Thanks. Love your videos.
Good video, but the Texas grid is not 7% wind; it's about 21%.
He may have been quoting the % at the time of the freeze event
I enjoy your videos appreciate yah
It doesn't mean that you needed six powerwalls0 to last a week while the power was off it just means that six others had to exist somewhere else in the state
Stat check, You said Powerwall peeps are getting $2 per kwh. That seems insanely high. We only pay our local utility $0.12 per kwh.
Yeah, I'm assuming he misspoke. That can't be right.
Tesla's own Giga Austin complex could eventually contribute a reasonable amount of power generation, primarily solar, to the Texas Grid if they were to take advantage of all of the outdoor parking & materials storage areas (including) all of the circulatory bits. By circulatory bits I'm talking about the access routes within these areas. People only tend to think of the airspace above parked vehicles or stored items but the airspace areas in-between these amount to a fair bit of unrealised potential power generation too.
When considering how to manage the 'heat island effect' of the built environment, shading from solar canopies can make a significant contribution towards lowering the negative impacts of this phenomenon such as lowering demands on electricity for cooling, healthcare services & in the case of EV charging stations, make them far more efficient by keeping both cars & infrastructure cooler.
Giga Austin is going to become a vast industrial complex. Of course they'll want to utilise as much of their own power generation capacity as possible, but this should still leave a significant amount of excess generation capacity that shouldn't go unused.
Not true. Even with 100% coverage on every available square meter of roof, parking area, and storage space, Giga Texas won't even produce half of what it consumes. The math is easy to do and the areas are known, as is the power consumption of the plant (on file with the building permits if you want them. $35 for basic plans, more for complete ones)
Tesla and Texas FTW
AND South Australia has VPP running across the state and were the first in the world to do so.
I think the real solution is distributed solar, wind, geo thermal, and storage. Think about if every home had geothermal heating and cooling, 3-5kw of solar, a 3-5kw windmill, and storage.
Samsung got stung to the tune of several million dollars when their chip plant crashed. Other industrial industries also were damaged as processes stopped dead in their tracks. Those companies will also be potential customers for Tesla grid scale battery systems that can replace on site UPS-diesel generators systems.
Excellent video!
Tesla 💙
While virtual "power plants" sound nice eventually you will have to have a non-virtual power plant. Everything can not run on virtual generators forever. I like the idea of working together but in this case I am not sure I would recommend it this way.
We already have non-virtual power plants. What do you mean we will have to have them "eventually?"
What happens with solar roofs?
It's worth pointing out that the wind turbines froze because operators & ERCOT failed to ask fundamental question behooved by ANY public utility; "what if?"
Wind turbines work perfectly well in northern Europe & UK, both in on & offshore locales. They're designed in such a way as to have provision for (precisely) this type of scenario as our weather regularly experiences freezing temperatures.
Those responsible for design, in their arrogance, failed in their basic duties making ridiculous assumptions about Texan weather patterns. Just because it's normally fairly benign in any given area, this doesn't mean it will always be so, particularly as climate change gathers pace; people [died] as a result of their negligence.
Texas didn't spend the money for the Cold Weather Package for their turbines. Here in the northern states we do and ours can continue operating down to -30°C
Exactly! 💯% All that silly blame game by the Texan Governor on renewables for the failure of the grid was just a deliberate political misinformation misdirection campaign so he & his mates wouldn't look responsible for not doing their due diligence. I'm a wee bit surprised that, given how litigious the Americans are, nobody sued over the deaths caused by failure of the grid. Americans seems to want to sue everyone at the drop of a hat. 🤠😅
Tesla need to lobby harder to sell Tesla cars direct in Texas.
Tesla Energy Ventures needs to push as hard as possible in Texas whilst duplicating its efforts in Reno and surrounding areas for Tesla's Gigafactory 1 with an expansion to all of Nevada.
Tying up the vertical block with
1. Texas
2. Reno (Nevada)
3. Nevada
4. Florida (remote parts)
5. Tennessee
6. Utah
Read through tons of comments and not a single one who is using tesla electric company in Texas. Why?
Re: the windmills freezing in 2021, you said that wind was only 7%. Look again, from a chart on ERCOT it shows wind 29% for 2021. Way back in 2011 wind was 9%. In 2021 Solar was 6%.
You have to be careful with this kind of datas. In the case of solar and power, there can be a huge gap between the energy production capabilities and the actual contribution to the energy consumption, since solar and wind are unreliable and don't necessarily produce energy when you actually need it.
@@sebholding The chart title is ERCOT - Generation Mix (%) I would paste if I could
@@gbinman the numbers I'm seeing from ERCOT are a bit lower, but still far more that 7%. As soon as he said it I called BS and looked it up. Looks like the 29% includes both wind and solar, since the 2021 numbers show a little over 24% wind, and a little over 4% solar. Plus, those bagging on the TX grid seem to totally fail to recognize that it was a freeze the likes TX hasn't seen in 126 years, and TX wasn't alone, with (I think) 13 states having grid problems during that event.
Windmills require an operational grid in order to sync to and supply energy to the grid. Battery storage will allow the grid to be operational during periods in which it may otherwise fail. Battery storage will thus allow wind energy/windmills to maintain their output, and additionally regulate wind power energy variations during these same intervals of potential outage.
@@paulfuston189 Texas had something close 10 years earlier where the grid also went down.
Tesla Energy might want to consider partnering with We Solar it could be a beautiful partnership that can help bring both companies visions into quicker reality.
Very good explanation of 2021 power outages. Just two minor additions. True because of deregulation Texans could not buy energy out of state but they could have bought from Mexico. Secondly Warren Buffet offered to build two standby emergency only electrical generation stations at an estimated billion dollars each for an annual $80,000,000 fee. Giving him about ten percent return. That would have taken care of any future shortages but they said no thanks and are passing on costs to rate payers. A small percent of repairs came out of their raining day fund. What's going on with Texas? Well they have cheap electricity to encourage businesses to relocate there and it looks like that strategy is working!
"billion dollars each for an annual $80,000,000 fee. Giving him about ten percent return. "
Something is wrong with the math there. That's only an 8% return.
@@jeffjwatts Opps! Apparently you missed the word “estimated?”
Go Tesla woohoo 😎🌎🌍 Musk-eteer
hope tesla would do this in uk
Now imagine if Tesla's cars with 75kwh each were able to participate!
Agreed! The fact tesla hasn't allowed it's cars to backfeed electricity is ridiculous, as well as being charged directly from solar. Having 2 teslas and tesla solar I should be able to be completely off grid during an outage.
Many of Teslas superchargers are supplemented with solar and mega batteries. This will
Allow lower charging prices compared with competitors and continued power during brownouts
There are 11 million homes in Texas
Even if Tesla did 3000 powerwall/solar roofs yearly in Texas (The total it has in California) it would take decades to get a fraction of a percent.
Very good method. When will it also get installed in Germany ?
They gotta do what they did in Australia imo
Imagine how much more capable the system would be, if you could include all of the electric cars
Australia, Hawaii, California, Texas--- Florida????
One size does not fit all. You need back up plans for the back up plans.
Good video! Tesla should experiment with a couple large scale cheap sand batteries and see how they could work on their grid in Texas! Seems like they would work well ☺️
You said that when the power line is down to your house, that's when the powerwall at home is key. I thought that the powerwalls did NOT power the house when there was no power to the house, which struck me as completely ridiculous. So, will Tesla PWs work offgrid or not?
Tesla PW can do a partial or whole home back-up. If you experience a power outtage , PW will kick on and supply the home with energy.
Can't find the video now. But did saw other day a person with 2 powerwall and solar charging is model X during a outage, the car was told to keep the powerwall at 90% and only use the remaining solar power to charge, all this with the air von/heat pump working to keep the house climatize.
I have solar and two Tesla Powerwalls. Before I got the Powerwalls my solar array would not power my house if the grid was down. With the two Powerwalls, my solar array will power the house and charge the Powerwalls if the grid is down. We have had outages since the Powerwalls were installed, but I didn't notice them. The switchover to off grid and back was instantaneous. I'm in a single provider part of the Texas grid and can't participate in the VPP.
2:55 To run some numbers
In Oklahoma, the windmills were a problem and they make up up to 40% of our grid. The problem with wind is when a cold front settles into a region, there is never any wind. Wind is overused in our region and is unreliable, in that it produces the least energy when temperature is at it's extremes. Gas lines can easily be protected from freezing, but in the last 2 winters we have gotten much colder than our seasonal averages. Batteries may be the final answer, but when wind stops, and it's negative 10f outside in Oklahoma, as it always does when it's that cold, it will take a lot of batteries to make up the difference. We need to weatherize out gas lines and keep those plants online.
3:30 how can they be paid $2/kw? That can’t be right. I literally pay $.04/kw in houston and only $.40 in $$ California.
2$/kWh???? I think there is a mistake, because here in Germany with the highest electricity prices world wide, it's around 40ct/kwh
Great video, I enjoy all your post and just wanted to point out one small correction. Wind mills make flour and Wind turbines make electricity. Other than that fantastic job!
How does Elon get all this organized? Very cool projects!
he doesn't, its called delegating.
Great
If Tesla doesn't allow the owner of the powerwall to limit reserve to 50 percent then they own it and should be paying for replacement when it needs to at the same percent they try to reserve
Put the power lines underground.
so when the soil will shift it will be damaged and repairs will be costly. Is this what you saying?
@@arishem555 In Madison Wisconsin almost all power lines are run underground. This is done in many parts of Wisconsin. When Ice storms or Tornados etc happen we are not as vulnerable. I lived in Florida where we had 4 hurricanes in one year across the state. That's lots of electric poles replaced over the years.
You are talking about just the summer months to make enough to cover both the fees for the unit and your power bills. What about other nine months? Also this is California where prices are already sky high.
It seems to be that in most other places, the people who have this would be operating at a loss.
we have hot weather from march till late November. what 3 month we are talking here about
I live in Texas. I think Canada should keep its cold air.
The whole system has to be monitored, and information has to reach each battery pack stored in individual has just in time.
If there is cyber attack, or for some reason wifi is down, the battery pack become useless. They need to work together to bring an impact to the society, but I don't see a way that is done efficiently. So many things could go wrong.
hi
does the powerwall make a noise ?
Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
No.
no
We already have the tech needed to make everything far better. Including humanity itself. Look into the tech and potential of the tech, yourselves. You'll see.😎🇺🇲
Right, and it the governments with their red tape and regulations that keeps the tech from being implemented. Definitely some regulations are necessary, but it gets ridiculous real quick.
Interesting, my family is from Okinawa. Wonder if any of them have solar. I suspect they don't.
Since does Texas believe in clean energy or non gasoline running cars?
Combine self running generators and power walls in homes and businesses for seemingly endless clean energy everywhere all the time. Have a mechanical direct connect to the axle of EVs and solar, to super charge them. No more plugging in. Use V2G tech to transfer extra energy to the power grid so the EVs don't overcharge. You need to be able manually move the gears on and off the axle if something happens and your extra energy isn't going back to the grid for some reason. 😎🇺🇲
14.7c per kWh / 24.7kwh peak import and 90% RTW export is a non starter.
but they are saying, that they will export only whenever rate is high? nope?
Good
Conservatives: "frozen wind turbines"
A few thousand houses worth of power walls wouldn't have saved Texas from freezing over.
Localized micro-grids are the future in sustainable energy. Batteries can't handle the losses that come with distance.
How many billions in additional taxes is going to cost
You were close. But you did mis the reason Texas had a power shortage during the winter storm. It was not because of renewable energy. It was because Texas had allowed the decommissioning of several gas powered plants. Expecting they would never need them due to the renewable energy pact. Our state politicians didn't listen to the engineers. This is when people who no little ignore those who have the knowledge. This has become a common practice.
if you want to see what a future Texas electricity grid might look like all you have to do is look at the state of South Australia.
the state has only one link to the east coast integrated network in Australia.
SA has the highest penetration of solar and wind generation and grid scale storage.
SA has the lowest electricity costs in all of Australia.
SA was the first grid in the world to deploy a Tesla big battery.
So, this is the comment with real Tesla Electric provider experience. You would not be able to choose anymore when to switch to the battery or to the grid. YOu won't be able to program. The only time you will drain energy from the battery is from 4 to 7pm. That's it. And all other times you will either use it from the sun, - or from the grid, - which costs you around 14 cents per kWh (and this price can change at any time). Whenever you are selling your energy, - the average price in Houston would be 1.4-2.5 cents per kWh. Guess now what Tesla is doing? They are making money on us. They installed wind farms somewhere (not much) and instead of selling that energy to the grid for 2 cents, - they are selling it to us for 14. But luckily we do have the option to go off-grid. With some automation, I was able to program it to go off-grid and back online. If for some reason Tesla would decide to remove the button "Go OffGrid", - I'd install an extra smart disconnect from Siemens for example which I will be able to automate through the smart home and still can be in control of how I am using Energy. Be careful before you go Solar. You can get lots of issues without knowing all the tricks. I learned from FB group the best way to go solar: install a small array *8 panels", - which will lower your daily usage + you can do laundry, dry clothes, dishwasher and run another high load. Next to it choose the "free nights" plan, - where you will not pay for energy from 7pm till morning. I believe the game changer would be when we will be able to use Tesla car battery as the extender, - so whenever you have extra load, - we would be able to offset it into car in fully automatic mode. But it's not there yet. I'd try to find some kind of automation to charge my car whenever I have excessive generation, - but I don't want to sell it for 2 cents, - and furthermore, - I bet they are still charging for energy export to the grid.
Is this a increased cost to the customer?
Should save money. Less need to build peaker plants.
You mean weather not climate.
Utilities pay $2/kw hour but what would they pay to a "peaker plant"? Why is the compensation dictated by only one party? Why does competition have to get permission to compete in a so-called capitalist system?
We know the regulatory bureaucrats are not neutral, not ruling only by public interest, as they say and as they should be. Govt., politicians always have their self-interest first/foremost, protect their cronies (unofficial business partners, i.e., those who legally bribe) as their standard, NOT us. Example? Monopolies! We are told they are better, necessary, and refuse to explain. They serve TPTB, and only them.
Are you aware that Texas declined to use the the heaters that are in the colder climates windmills? Private sector one of the save some money, and that is why the windmills failed. They didn't want to pay for these heaters because Texas doesn't freeze like that, ho ho.
You have to have a Tesla Powerwall to be a Tesla Power customer 🙄😒!!!
It was because we shut down coal plants which would have provided the sustainable energy required when the gas lines and windmills froze - not BECAUSE they froze. Missing that point undermines the whole argument you are making. VPP is still cool though.
Concerning the battery for Austin mentioned at the end of the video, the units for its capacity should be mWh, not mW.
LOL dude 13KWH you say for a day… to power a house more like 100KWH per day is needed
They better pay you well. It will reduce the life of your battery. Tesla won't let you use the cars as a stationary power source. They void the warranty if you do. Probably because the battery goes bad faster and they don't have an easy way to measure it's use in that application.
looking forward to when we are totally dependent on China for all the rare materials required for batteries...
We're back to the Thomas Edison 19th century idea of DC power? Yikes. But great inefficiency is the hallmark of the world order. It really creates a lot of problems.
I hope Tesla invest in green hydrogen for storage generation also...
this is probably a backup plan. imagine if each household will have a hydrogen generation device and then you can order a truck to pick up your monthly generated hydrogen. or you can fuel your fuel-cell car per your needs. but from what I heard it is probably never gonna happen, - cause it is explosive and nobody would allow to have hydrogen generation in your residence.
No dude, Texas energy failure was not due to the delivery of natural gas. Texas went all in on renewables.
Nope, I live in Texas and know tou are wrong but here is the data to back it up.
Texas energy generation mix:
Natural gas = 42%
Coal = 19%
Wind = 24%
Nuclear = 10%
Solar = 4%
That's not what I would call "all in on renewables"
@@That-Guy_ I did look it up and in February 2020 Texas got 25% of its energy from renewables. Problem is, when the storm hit their ability to produce electricity dropped to 8%. Your stat of average means nothing, the ability to be reliable, when the storm hits, means everything. Thank you.
I’d love a power wall and solar roof if I could afford it.:(
Me Too!
Is there not a program in your area that finances the purchase of solar panels and batteries?
Look into Inflation Reduction Act. Incentives are there for purchasing solar and batteries.
Not for us commeners only the special/elites!
@@theglitch99 Have you actually priced a system?
So if I have a solar wall, Tesla can remotely send my power to the grid?? So if something happens I'm shit out of luck?!?
Only if you voluntarily sign-up to be part of the VPP, then you automatically sell your power to the grid when it's needed until you are down to 20%.
Nice video! I enjoy your videos and agree with most of what you say but please try to keep it politically neutral. Renewables are very important and it’s not a winning strategy to alienate anybody. It’s not fair to use what Carlson and Abbot say (7:50 into video), on one side of your argument, about how much energy is provided by wind turbines (about 7%), and then use wind turbines to bolster your argument (8:33 into video) in favor of energy storage (that same 7%). It's either significant or it's not. I know you know this; we need fossil fuels right now to supplement renewables. I think most of us hope one day we will not. Keep up the good work!!
Fluence Energy will over take Tesla Energy in the Future
will not. they are old-school guys and not open to innovations.
So from what I'm understanding is that one power wall would keep the lights on for One Day. So, I would have needed 6 of those to have lasted me through the shutdown. Google says that I can get a two-pack for 18.500. So for 111 Grand... Nope. Our propane tank kept us warm and the pipes above freezing. Although it wasn't fun, we survived quite nicely. People in the North and people in hurricane areas can go for weeks without power. They are the areas that need these far more than most of Texas.
My friend who lives in Texas says that its power grid is a joke and disaster because the politicians are so corrupt and in bed with Big Willy who makes you give the job running the power plant to his nephew Jethro. lol.
Runs data centers down there and they are always losing power.
Thanks for stating the truth
No taxation without representation
I think that is assuming you run your house at your usual levels. Lights, stove and whatever used as normal. We had a 5 day power loss a few winters ago and we’re fine with a small generator. Didn’t run it full time. Just as needed. Used 5 gallons of gas.
You're not accounting for the energy produced by the solar panels
Scale is the problem. Renewables + storage... nope. IIRC, the land area required to hit the current US government's targets would be 30% BIGGER than the entire state of Texas. It's not dense enough, it's too intermittent. Renewables can't do the job.
A decentralized system is more resilient and having storage throughout the grid makes it more reliable and smooths out variation. Let nuclear and hydro provide base load while battery with wind and solar to follow the day load curve where you have plenty of wind and sun.
The real answer if Fission, but not the Cold War relic that the nuclear industry refuses to upgrade away from.
We need walk away safe reactors, with high fuel Efficiency to reduce the amount of radioactive waste as well as waste longevity. Solar great, but people under estimate how much power is going to be needed to start removing fossil fuel from every day life.
LOL Kool Aid overdose
So you make a big investment in a Tesla solar system and then you sell the energy you store from it and go powerless when the utility is not sending you power back? Hmmmm
Wind turbines are unreliable obviously, and trying to manage that issue with batteries is not green at all (rare earth mining, that's not renewable either by the way), it is extremely costly and only a partial solution. The real solution is nuclear energy since it is both reliable (we can control the output at anytime to adjust to the demand) and clean (no co2 or other atmospheric pollution, wastes can be confined in a small and secured space).
LibertarianTV; They use wind turbines in Norway, Alaska Finland etc. where it gets considerably colder than Texas ever does. Wake the hell up.
We are going to earth mine no matter what, we will always need metals and precious metals to make and build things, it's inevitable, why not use the mining to help build renewable energy systems? Too many people whining about this and that, just be happy of the good change and not more oil burning cancer causing pollution air breathing
Nuclear is cheaper to start and much more expensive to clean up if you can figure out how. Uranium is mined. There are areas near us that are old uranium mines and the remediation is costly and ongoing.
@@altond511 icing makes wind turbines ineffective and so does solar.
@@samuelmorales2344 I think that people in Norway and Finnland might be surprised to hear that.
Sorry but Texas is a wind and nat gas powerhouse. The only thing Tesla will do in Texas is perhaps store some of that energy.
As great as tesla is at software. The fact their cars aren't "allowed" to back feed electricity, is incredibly dumb. (Powerwall=10kwh, tesla vehicle~100kwh)
$2/kWh? Holy shit I get about 5.5c/kWh...we have so much home rooftop solar generation in Australia they are curtailing the amount you can export to the grid & will soon start to tax it.
If someone helps me then I can change the current electricity world and make electricity in a new way 90 times less than the current time.
Good idea still worthless due to ROI for consumer and on going cost. The California and Japan cases didn’t care about cost but regular consumer will. Natural gas is still way cheaper operating JIT like all. They will easily kill this with little infrastructure and keep cost to pennies when they decide. While don’t necessarily agree it is a fact of what will happen. Some of you should drive the full length of West Texas to know what you are really talking about.
Wind is 23% of the electricity generation in Texas so clearly this narrator doesn't understand electricity generation in Texas.
All that matters is what is the night time usage, 4p16s has 64 batteries same as in the megapack unites and holds roughly 60kw. Scale that up to meet nighttime usage for Texas adding in 2 weeks of storage and you find battery storage is no were ready.
You don't need a huge battery system to provide enough power to avoid having to pay a peaker plant to spin up.
@@matthewconnor5483 The problem is they are rushing to cut off cheap energy long before the infrastructure and technology is ready.