Not really. The Macintosh Portable (Apple's first laptop) came out in 1989, and it had an active matrix LCD (no ghosting). Meaning the tech was there to make a much better LCD desktop monitor.
For display of that age, the ghosting is very little. Compared with some laptops from the 90s it is more good than bad. Nice find! 🙂 Off topic: Philips was such an amazing company bad at those days. My grandfather (from Groningen in the North of the Netherlands), was a huge Philips fan and proud of having a company from the Netherlands acting globally. If I remember correctly they had a factory of Philips at the old outskrits. But fore sure the technical changes and low prices from the East made Philips reduce itself what it is today. At least they are alive 🙂
Philips was a very innovative company, inventing things like the cassette tape and the compac disc (CD). The Philips that remains today is a shadow of its former self.
I'm a sucker for that monochrome CRT look.. that green on black is so lovely. But that LCD is such a cool piece of tech.. way ahead of its time! Back when Philips was something to be proud of being Dutch! 😄 Great video mate! Everything looks and sounds amazing!
Agreed. I almost went for my amber monochrome monitor (as that was my first monitor), but decided to go for the green one. Just looks so cool. And thanks mate!! 🖥️🖥️🖥️
I was never much of a fan of Philips products growing up in the 80ties-early 90ties. The were mostly mediocre at best, often crappy and bad designed from the beginning. The cool stuff came from Japan and Germany. Still have my Sennheiser headphones, only replaced the foam twice.
Philips was dutch when it was doing lightbulbs only. Discarded their employees like dirt later. nothing to be proud of, more like something to be ashamed of. Philips still sucks to this day, they make crap.
Incredible how things have evolved, nowadays I think you might get that same performance out of an e-ink display even, let alone resolution. But it does look like something from the early late 90s/2000s indeed.
Back when EVERYTHING needed an ISA interface card with a custom DSUB connector. The panel looks surprisingly modern when switched off, but the plastic base colour and design language definitely tells on its age.
For something this old, I'm actually impressed with how clear the display is, it held up extremely well. Goes to show how ahead of the game Philips was.
Loved seeing this, very much ahead of its time when it comes to design (except bezels). Reminds me very much of the day I first saw the Sony XEL-1 OLED TV and being blown away by how slim the display part was. This would've evoked the same feelings back in the day when this LCD came out I'd imagine. Nowadays it's possible to find older LCD's being sold for single digit prices, or even tossed. Amazing to see how far we've come. Subscribed!
It's sad that Sony's and Panasonics proper RGB-OLED tech was never really developed properly, we have ended up with a much less impressive tech, aka WOLED, which is only a mere upgrade vs the best LCD displays, RGB-OLED on the other hand, especially combined with Sony and Panasonics motion technolgy, is a huge advancment in display tech vs LCD display tech, thankfully there is now a strong possibility that TCL is going to at least release a fairly close version of Sony & Panasonics JOLED technology (RGB-OLED) it remains to be seen what modulation tech they will pair it with though, I really hope it's not basic sample & hold mudulation.
A LCD monitor in 1989 that is unheard of!!!! I didn't know such a thing even existed. The first LCD monitor I got was in 2000, it was a Viewsonic 17", and it cost like $700. A LCD monitor in 1989 must have cost a small fortune. Back in 1990s, laptops were expensive, because the cost of LCD screens. Today, laptops are cheap and desktops are expensive. LOL
Beautiful example of what would have been state of the art for its time. Is still presentable today. Your video captures the nuance of this relic quite well.
I love it! IF ONLY manufacturers would produce these same or slightly improved monochrome LCD monitors today, with an HDMI or USB-C connection of course. The lack of eye-saving monitors to choose from is simply appalling. There are only three manufacturers of e-ink/e-paper monitors: Boox, Dasung, and Waveshare, and not one of them fills the requirements most users have. The Sunvision reLCD display is tops in its class, but Sunvision does not make a smaller, more portable version. The Eazeye Radiant looked promising, but it's clear from the "company's" website that the founders are basically just kids with completely unrealistic expectations of getting rich off their $1,000+ no-frills monitor - an absurd pricing scheme. And that's basically it. People who work with complex apps like LaTex simply cannot work on an eye-friendly tablet, so they're stuck using the horrible blue-lit glaring LED screens of all the Dells etc. out there. This is a pathetic state of affairs.
He's a ghostie boi! Looks great for the time though, very futuristic design. My dad had a work laptop from the early 90s with an LCD screen that used to ghost like this playing games, i played those Learning Company Super Solvers ones at that time. Thanks for the memories!
The Macintosh Portable from the SAME YEAR did REAL 640x400 pixels, though it’s cool to see a desktop LCD on the market in the 80’s AT ALL. Also, it was active matrix, not passive.
Leuk om te zien man. Had vroeger ook een CGA, EGA, VGA en SVGA machine. Vroeger wist ik niet eens dat er verschillende paletten er waren voor CGA, je kon dus switchen van kleuren, grappig dat ik dat uberhaupt nooit wist.
Philips nms9100 Man, that's memories. I t was the first pc in our house, my father bought it with a company computer plan and cost him something like 3500 guilders. It didnot have that fancy HD though. I was always tinkering with that thing, much to the chagrin of him. I bought a 3 button genius mouse for it and early 90's I bought a second hand lcd monitor with a graphics card, wich I installed myself. He was not amused (to say the least), until he saw how much of an improvement it made.
Realy neat display. And even it's over 30 year old this display is even in such a good condition. It is a masterpiece of technology. 🙂 Great video as well. Fly on!
Impressive tech for the time, but I'll admit that if I had that as a kid, I would have gotten laughed at by my friends for the B/W only image, and ghosting that makes it hard to see a lot of games. Having said that it's amazing how far LCD tech as come, when you get new 24in HD displays for under $100 USD these days, and a 55in 4K TV for under $300 USD lol.
I watched this on a 1600p LCD in my Lenovo Legion Y700 that I paid 350 dollars for. It's amazing how far LCD has come. LCD still has a place even in 2023.
@@belstar1128not everyone needs a 4K monitor y’know? I have an ol’ cheapo 1080p monitor I got for $60 and it does the job fine. Plus I prefer a solid 60fps with stable frame time than a constantly fluctuating high frame rate
@@putai1234 that is like saying nobody needs 720p back in 2005 and being happy with 480p. and you can watch videos in 4k and play older games in 4k. and just lower the resolution if the game doesn't run well in 4k. but I got a weak pc and most of my favorite games run well in 4k.
LCD will be around for a long time. OLED has longevity problems although it is more energy efficient. Eventually OLED or something very similar to it in technology will replace LCD, but I think we're at least a decade away from it.
This screen with its suoer slow ghosting reminds me of the first laptop's we had at school. I think they were 8086 cpu with no hard disk and a pair of 3.5 floppy disks. Disk A: had MSDOS and any other software installed and Disk B: had whatever you wanted on it. I remember filling the forms out to take them home for 'school work' . Really I was playing leisure Suit Larry and Accolade F1 and Test Drive 😂 .
In 1989 most of the people used CGA, some where using EGA, a lot of people started to use VGA screens, not using monochrome CRT monitor "back in a day" in 1989. Big mistake..
Now you've made me want to dig out MY first PC. Not as cool as this one, but the memories... 😉 It's a Compaq Presario 425 with a DX CPU. Oh yeah, the "luxury" model 😛. It kinda looks like the computers from Fallout 3 🤔 Now that i think of it, THAT would be an interesting mod
Amazing, I had no idea that existed back in the day. Probably because I was a kid and 2000 gulden was way out my reach :D I think in that time I had a C64 still, or maybe I already sold it for my Sega Megadrive :D Amazing how far we have come in all these years. Now for about 300 euros you can have a 34inch ultra wide monitor of which people are complaining about smearing, which is nothing compared to what this little thing did. I must say for a Philips design, wich I always found ugly in general, this one looked quite tight and stylish.
I have a Philips 80 line green CRT in it's box, similar to the one you have, found in my late mom's inheritance. It has a 9-pin plug. Do you know any device that can be used to send any sort of modern input on this, like VGA, or even HDMI?
I remember being fascinated by an early 90s 486 laptop with a grayscale LCD such as this. Playing games with a gray-to-gray reaction time of 3 seconds is god awful in today's world, but back then it was amazing lol
Does the monitor get its power from the computer? What voltage and current does the ISA bus provide? The monitor almost looks like it was built for shop cash register/point of sale use.
@@RetroGameCouch ok good to know i know early laptops had some kind of primitive LCD's but i don't actually remember seeing them outside of laptops until like 2004 2005 seems to be around the time i started noticing them for desktops
Try playing modern games on that LCD [enabling DSR in your graphics card should allow you to downsample higher resolution and output it back at the LCD's low native res, making newer games compatible in theory]. The ghosting looks awful but it does help make the low fps driving game look smooth to some extent.
Software that supports 640x400 mode on other PCs such as Toshiba T3100 or AT&T 6300 might work on this setup. GeoWorks Ensemble 2.0, Windows/286 or even the recently released MicroWeb are ones that spring to mind.
the "Philips connection" is an RJ11 jack, used for landline and VoIP telephony in the US. Interesting that they chose that type! does it have 6 pins, or 4?
Shows how early innovative products can get snubbed and passed off as interesting but not really going anywhere since it's against the grain of mainstream products. In this case, CRT madness was going on in the early 90s with VGA and greater graphical systems and would continue to do so through the end of the 90s.
To 1up this even further, one could add one of the very early CD-ROM drives made by Philips for PC use, the CDD-462. I have one but I'm missing the interface card and have not been able to find one or even what it's called :(
it reminds me of all the cash registers in the early 2000s but the design looks too old for 2009 i would have guessed 2001 or something i am sure they used crts before that time
At what point did they stop packing schematics with electronics? That should never have gone away, I know that I had a few radios in the 80's that came with them, granted I was like 6 or 7 when that happened, but I do remember it occurring more than once as a kid. Today companies do as much as possible to make sure you can't fix their products, and also try as much as possible to make it so you don't actually own the hardware you buy. Sad this country has gone so anti-consumer rights and very pro-corporation rights.
eh, out of laptop market, the only ones you can't do anything to are what, Mac Minis? Even All In Ones you can still do RAM, storage and maybe more depending on model, let alone standard desktops. The included schematic whoever is as rare as it gets tho.
a lot of 80s computers were hard to upgrade like the c64 zx spectrum atari 8bit. i think this a big reason those companies don't exist anymore to be honest .great systems but they didn't improve much over the years .even the old macs were more upgradable
@@RetroGameCouch i have here a tulip pentium 1 laptop that somewhat works. i accidentally broke a transistor during refurbishment process of the plastics so if you can perhaps fix that. it'd be a decent video. these are intensly rare.
2000 guilders is 2000 euro. Funny how they sold that euro as 2.2 times the value of a guilder. I fact we've been screwed 2.2 times over. became 2.2 times as poor because of this euro that was going to make it better for everyone.
the ghosting reminds me of OLED screen these days lol. the refresh rate is so crap except if u buy the $20k ones. even iphone oleds have terrible grey to grey response time lmao. no wonder nobody buys LCD monitor in the 80s.
LCDs were only really any good for typing on up untill 2005, they were (and still are tbh) horrible for anything that has any actual motion, LCDs are the king of static resolution displays imo, as are all sample & hold displays, but nothing has ever actually convincingly challenged CRTs top spot for dynamic resolution (motion), with the exception of late generation Plasma, which actually came remarkebly close to CRTs 65-70hz dynamic resolution performnce, thanks to their incredible sub-field and focused-field drive modulation technology, the latter of which reached 0.4ms MPRT.
Lcd мониторы и телики полная ерунда. у меня был элт какой-то jvc из 90-х, и он был лучше по качеству и звуку, чем fhd плоский телевизор 2013г от lg , до сих пор эта хрень стоит лджишная, конечно это не топовый тв, а там см. 62. но а самсунг элт был уже из 2000-х это просто пушка, сломался наверное быстровато, но там было 100hz, и громкие динамики, с которыми бюджетные тв с lcd рядом не стоят до сих пор, конечно можно купить колонки, но блин нельзя что ли за 15к сделать было нормальный тв, это специально они сделали, чтобы страдать)
Yeah, there are certain pieces of tech that don't deserve revisiting. This garbage screen is one of them. There's nothing interesting about a shit passive matrix display.
So cool to see my old screen on youtube! Glad it received a great home now! Thank you for sharing this video and for giving it a loving home! =D
Sorry for the late reply! Thank you for shipping it my way!
That's super impressive for 1989, I honestly have thought it would be incredibly screen door-ish with a screen that big.
These monitors were designed for text display, not graphics. The update is terrible. This was fine for typing and coding, but that was it.
Not really. The Macintosh Portable (Apple's first laptop) came out in 1989, and it had an active matrix LCD (no ghosting). Meaning the tech was there to make a much better LCD desktop monitor.
@@joeysluzer1913 The Mac Portable DID have ghosting. It wasn't as bad as this display, but it was certainly noticeable.
For display of that age, the ghosting is very little. Compared with some laptops from the 90s it is more good than bad. Nice find! 🙂
Off topic: Philips was such an amazing company bad at those days. My grandfather (from Groningen in the North of the Netherlands), was a huge Philips fan and proud of having a company from the Netherlands acting globally. If I remember correctly they had a factory of Philips at the old outskrits. But fore sure the technical changes and low prices from the East made Philips reduce itself what it is today. At least they are alive 🙂
Philips was a very innovative company, inventing things like the cassette tape and the compac disc (CD). The Philips that remains today is a shadow of its former self.
They were half-dead already at that time, selling technology from taiwan
I’m from Belgium and they also had a big site in Kiewit near Hasselt, It’s now called corda campus
@thenegotiator9701 I never knew that, and I just looked it up. nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philips_(Hasselt)
@@RetroGameCouch Philips is still very innovative however only with medical equipement.
I'm a sucker for that monochrome CRT look.. that green on black is so lovely. But that LCD is such a cool piece of tech.. way ahead of its time! Back when Philips was something to be proud of being Dutch! 😄
Great video mate! Everything looks and sounds amazing!
Agreed. I almost went for my amber monochrome monitor (as that was my first monitor), but decided to go for the green one. Just looks so cool. And thanks mate!! 🖥️🖥️🖥️
It was probably not made by philips, otherwise it would have been broken within a year.
I was never much of a fan of Philips products growing up in the 80ties-early 90ties. The were mostly mediocre at best, often crappy and bad designed from the beginning. The cool stuff came from Japan and Germany. Still have my Sennheiser headphones, only replaced the foam twice.
Philips was dutch when it was doing lightbulbs only.
Discarded their employees like dirt later.
nothing to be proud of, more like something to be ashamed of.
Philips still sucks to this day, they make crap.
Incredible how things have evolved, nowadays I think you might get that same performance out of an e-ink display even, let alone resolution.
But it does look like something from the early late 90s/2000s indeed.
Back when EVERYTHING needed an ISA interface card with a custom DSUB connector. The panel looks surprisingly modern when switched off, but the plastic base colour and design language definitely tells on its age.
The thing doesn't have a single bit of plastic on it, except for the adjustment knob.
The panel looks perhaps like a modern tablet, but the base screams 90s Philips - maybe I've seen too many DCC videos
This monitor was pretty much ahead of its time with its digital interface, predating DisplayPort and HDMI by 30 years.
More like 20, and DVI was released in 1999. So 10 years.
CGA also had its own digital 4-bit RGBI interface, though typically CRTs supporting it have to convert it to analogue.
For something this old, I'm actually impressed with how clear the display is, it held up extremely well. Goes to show how ahead of the game Philips was.
Loved seeing this, very much ahead of its time when it comes to design (except bezels). Reminds me very much of the day I first saw the Sony XEL-1 OLED TV and being blown away by how slim the display part was. This would've evoked the same feelings back in the day when this LCD came out I'd imagine. Nowadays it's possible to find older LCD's being sold for single digit prices, or even tossed. Amazing to see how far we've come. Subscribed!
It's sad that Sony's and Panasonics proper RGB-OLED tech was never really developed properly, we have ended up with a much less impressive tech, aka WOLED, which is only a mere upgrade vs the best LCD displays, RGB-OLED on the other hand, especially combined with Sony and Panasonics motion technolgy, is a huge advancment in display tech vs LCD display tech, thankfully there is now a strong possibility that TCL is going to at least release a fairly close version of Sony & Panasonics JOLED technology (RGB-OLED) it remains to be seen what modulation tech they will pair it with though, I really hope it's not basic sample & hold mudulation.
A LCD monitor in 1989 that is unheard of!!!! I didn't know such a thing even existed. The first LCD monitor I got was in 2000, it was a Viewsonic 17", and it cost like $700. A LCD monitor in 1989 must have cost a small fortune.
Back in 1990s, laptops were expensive, because the cost of LCD screens. Today, laptops are cheap and desktops are expensive. LOL
Beautiful example of what would have been state of the art for its time. Is still presentable today. Your video captures the nuance of this relic quite well.
I love it! IF ONLY manufacturers would produce these same or slightly improved monochrome LCD monitors today, with an HDMI or USB-C connection of course. The lack of eye-saving monitors to choose from is simply appalling. There are only three manufacturers of e-ink/e-paper monitors: Boox, Dasung, and Waveshare, and not one of them fills the requirements most users have. The Sunvision reLCD display is tops in its class, but Sunvision does not make a smaller, more portable version. The Eazeye Radiant looked promising, but it's clear from the "company's" website that the founders are basically just kids with completely unrealistic expectations of getting rich off their $1,000+ no-frills monitor - an absurd pricing scheme. And that's basically it. People who work with complex apps like LaTex simply cannot work on an eye-friendly tablet, so they're stuck using the horrible blue-lit glaring LED screens of all the Dells etc. out there. This is a pathetic state of affairs.
This is very much how I played Digger back on my dad's Zenith 80s Laptop, except that LCD was blue.
Love it! :3 Could watch you actually play on this for a long time, too! :D
Thank you. It was a treat playing on this beauty. 😁
Incredible how a monitor this old manages to keep the ghosting to modern VA levels.
wild to see something so modern built with such ancient features. A proprietary video port, and an external ribbon cable, thats wild.
What an interesting find. Usually, LCD displays from that era have a bad reputation, but the Philips looks really sharp.
He's a ghostie boi! Looks great for the time though, very futuristic design.
My dad had a work laptop from the early 90s with an LCD screen that used to ghost like this playing games, i played those Learning Company Super Solvers ones at that time. Thanks for the memories!
What an awesome display! And really great video on it too! This is the first time I have even seen a vintage LCD monitor for a PC too!
Thanks for watching!
The Macintosh Portable from the SAME YEAR did REAL 640x400 pixels, though it’s cool to see a desktop LCD on the market in the 80’s AT ALL. Also, it was active matrix, not passive.
I was 9 when it was made. :D I love old retro gear more and more nowadays. :O
I've never seen one of those monitors. Great video. Keep up the good work. Take care. :)
Leuk om te zien man.
Had vroeger ook een CGA, EGA, VGA en SVGA machine.
Vroeger wist ik niet eens dat er verschillende paletten er waren voor CGA, je kon dus switchen van kleuren, grappig dat ik dat uberhaupt nooit wist.
Fellow Dutchman!🌷🌷
Also looks like something that could have been widely used in fast food restaurants and high end retail stores in 1989 or a bit later! :)
I'm impressed with how thin it is. Especially the bezels. LOL...
Philips nms9100 Man, that's memories. I t was the first pc in our house, my father bought it with a company computer plan and cost him something like 3500 guilders. It didnot have that fancy HD though. I was always tinkering with that thing, much to the chagrin of him. I bought a 3 button genius mouse for it and early 90's I bought a second hand lcd monitor with a graphics card, wich I installed myself. He was not amused (to say the least), until he saw how much of an improvement it made.
Realy neat display. And even it's over 30 year old this display is even in such a good condition. It is a masterpiece of technology. 🙂
Great video as well.
Fly on!
Thank you!!!
LCD's that large had worked themselves into grocery stores by 1989. Would be interesting if someone found those displays.
Impressive tech for the time, but I'll admit that if I had that as a kid, I would have gotten laughed at by my friends for the B/W only image, and ghosting that makes it hard to see a lot of games. Having said that it's amazing how far LCD tech as come, when you get new 24in HD displays for under $100 USD these days, and a 55in 4K TV for under $300 USD lol.
I watched this on a 1600p LCD in my Lenovo Legion Y700 that I paid 350 dollars for. It's amazing how far LCD has come. LCD still has a place even in 2023.
bad deal in 2018 i got a 4k monitor for 250$
@@belstar1128not everyone needs a 4K monitor y’know? I have an ol’ cheapo 1080p monitor I got for $60 and it does the job fine. Plus I prefer a solid 60fps with stable frame time than a constantly fluctuating high frame rate
@@putai1234 that is like saying nobody needs 720p back in 2005 and being happy with 480p. and you can watch videos in 4k and play older games in 4k. and just lower the resolution if the game doesn't run well in 4k. but I got a weak pc and most of my favorite games run well in 4k.
LCD will be around for a long time. OLED has longevity problems although it is more energy efficient. Eventually OLED or something very similar to it in technology will replace LCD, but I think we're at least a decade away from it.
A lot better than the LCD quality than the Amstrad PPC640 I was using around then.
This screen with its suoer slow ghosting reminds me of the first laptop's we had at school.
I think they were 8086 cpu with no hard disk and a pair of 3.5 floppy disks. Disk A: had MSDOS and any other software installed and Disk B: had whatever you wanted on it.
I remember filling the forms out to take them home for 'school work' . Really I was playing leisure Suit Larry and Accolade F1 and Test Drive 😂 .
Very modern-looking design for something so old tbh
That design looks heavily modern.
Exactly. It wouldn't look out of place in a modern office, except for the diameter and bezels.
In 1989 most of the people used CGA, some where using EGA, a lot of people started to use VGA screens, not using monochrome CRT monitor "back in a day" in 1989. Big mistake..
I used a similar display years ago, what i did was buy some A4 acetate coloured sheets to change the colour of the display
Now you've made me want to dig out MY first PC. Not as cool as this one, but the memories... 😉 It's a Compaq Presario 425 with a DX CPU. Oh yeah, the "luxury" model 😛. It kinda looks like the computers from Fallout 3 🤔 Now that i think of it, THAT would be an interesting mod
You never know when nostalgia hits. Glad it was during one of my videos. 🎅
i had the “poor man” version, the 486sx 😂
Amazing, I had no idea that existed back in the day. Probably because I was a kid and 2000 gulden was way out my reach :D
I think in that time I had a C64 still, or maybe I already sold it for my Sega Megadrive :D
Amazing how far we have come in all these years. Now for about 300 euros you can have a 34inch ultra wide monitor of which people are complaining about smearing, which is nothing compared to what this little thing did.
I must say for a Philips design, wich I always found ugly in general, this one looked quite tight and stylish.
I have a Philips 80 line green CRT in it's box, similar to the one you have, found in my late mom's inheritance. It has a 9-pin plug. Do you know any device that can be used to send any sort of modern input on this, like VGA, or even HDMI?
It kinda looks like one of those cash register screens
Most LCD displays like that were used on industrial computer controlled machines back then.
Much better looking than the lcd on my 1985 laptop
I remember being fascinated by an early 90s 486 laptop with a grayscale LCD such as this. Playing games with a gray-to-gray reaction time of 3 seconds is god awful in today's world, but back then it was amazing lol
Yeah they were called STN LCD panels
It was awful, without pointer trails turned on you couldn't even see the mouse cursor when it id moving...
The bezel thickness alone tells me this is gonna be from the early 90s ;)
Does the monitor get its power from the computer? What voltage and current does the ISA bus provide? The monitor almost looks like it was built for shop cash register/point of sale use.
Wow, very modern!
WAIT I DIDN'T know that LCD's existed back then... i didn't start seeing them until early mid 2000's
LCD is a lot older than that!
@@RetroGameCouch ok good to know i know early laptops had some kind of primitive LCD's but i don't actually remember seeing them outside of laptops until like 2004 2005 seems to be around the time i started noticing them for desktops
@@westtell4lcd laptops were around since late 80s-early 90s, desktop lcds came around in late 90s-early 00s
@@westtell4Apple’s first desktop LCD, for the Apple IIc, was released alongside the machine itself - in 1984.
It certainly was ahead for it’s time,1989 was actually a start of a new age.
Try playing modern games on that LCD [enabling DSR in your graphics card should allow you to downsample higher resolution and output it back at the LCD's low native res, making newer games compatible in theory].
The ghosting looks awful but it does help make the low fps driving game look smooth to some extent.
You know what also has grayscale LCD and made in 1989?
Well, the trails behind moving objects are very recognizable.
No, what is it?
@@RetroGameCouch gameboy i guess
@@AffidavidDonda I was thinking that, but that wasn't really greyscale, more greenscale 😁
Macintosh portable (released 1989) had an 9.8″ monochrome active matrix LCD
Software that supports 640x400 mode on other PCs such as Toshiba T3100 or AT&T 6300 might work on this setup. GeoWorks Ensemble 2.0, Windows/286 or even the recently released MicroWeb are ones that spring to mind.
I should give that a try.
the "Philips connection" is an RJ11 jack, used for landline and VoIP telephony in the US. Interesting that they chose that type!
does it have 6 pins, or 4?
I wonder if they made an orange or red Plasma version of this display. That'd look really nice.
Woa - impressive. Grandfather of the T221.
Its 12 year older brother.😉
Shows how early innovative products can get snubbed and passed off as interesting but not really going anywhere since it's against the grain of mainstream products. In this case, CRT madness was going on in the early 90s with VGA and greater graphical systems and would continue to do so through the end of the 90s.
OMGI was expecting the ghosting to be bad but WOW. An Amazon Kindle has a better framerate.
i remember test drive :) it was awesome... - some
To 1up this even further, one could add one of the very early CD-ROM drives made by Philips for PC use, the CDD-462. I have one but I'm missing the interface card and have not been able to find one or even what it's called :(
this is one of the most futuristic devices I ever seen
Most futuristic >>retro
@@RetroGameCouch yes!
love it
It looks more like something from 2009 rather than 1989
it reminds me of all the cash registers in the early 2000s but the design looks too old for 2009 i would have guessed 2001 or something i am sure they used crts before that time
Wow, what a design piece
It really is amazing (a word I say A LOT in this video 😁)
Cool piece of tech for the era... Would it be possible it plug it into a modern machine somehow?
It wouldn't even work in anything more modern than an XT, let alone a modern system without an ISA bus. Chances are slim.
digger :) my all time favorite
I would have it used as the main screen by all those who say that it is impossible to work with any panel that runs below 144 Hz.
Cool old monitor!
Yeah. It's pretty amazing considering its age.
Retro futurism at it's finest.
The ghosting is pretty bad but i guess home office- small business users dd appreciate picture clearness and stability.
Exactly. This wasn't aimed towards gaming.
If there were no moving pixels it was almost like e-paper screens!
2.2Kg?! OMG My 28" screen doesn't weigh that much.
Amazing design as for '89. Feels like the break o 90s and 2000s.
At what point did they stop packing schematics with electronics? That should never have gone away, I know that I had a few radios in the 80's that came with them, granted I was like 6 or 7 when that happened, but I do remember it occurring more than once as a kid. Today companies do as much as possible to make sure you can't fix their products, and also try as much as possible to make it so you don't actually own the hardware you buy. Sad this country has gone so anti-consumer rights and very pro-corporation rights.
The time when you were allowed to upgrade your own PC. Too bad the big tech companies won't let you do that today.
What I did was upgrade the monitor and GPU. Both thing you can still do today right?
eh, out of laptop market, the only ones you can't do anything to are what, Mac Minis? Even All In Ones you can still do RAM, storage and maybe more depending on model, let alone standard desktops.
The included schematic whoever is as rare as it gets tho.
a lot of 80s computers were hard to upgrade like the c64 zx spectrum atari 8bit. i think this a big reason those companies don't exist anymore to be honest .great systems but they didn't improve much over the years .even the old macs were more upgradable
1989 ??? Clearly that is advanced alien technology. Just saying. Very COoL.
Don't blow my cover!
Thats some gameboy levels of ghosting. I wonder if was that bad when it was new or it is just the age of it
worse than game boy
That keyboard connector looks like an RJ11 interface
I think you're right.
@@RetroGameCouch thx for the reply, great video
Alot of Dutch tech youtubers recently popping up lol
Welkom iedereen!
@@RetroGameCouch i have here a tulip pentium 1 laptop that somewhat works.
i accidentally broke a transistor during refurbishment process of the plastics so if you can perhaps fix that. it'd be a decent video. these are intensly rare.
Replace your smoke alarm battery. 😂
When you set motion interpolation to 100😂
I think there is a little bit of ghosting on your gaming screen.
Hmm.. I didn't notice that. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. 😁
2000 guilders is 2000 euro. Funny how they sold that euro as 2.2 times the value of a guilder.
I fact we've been screwed 2.2 times over. became 2.2 times as poor because of this euro that was going to make it better for everyone.
That screen is horrible lol; Hey it's what we had back in the day. :)
So then if it's from '89, it's about 34 years old, like me!
It looks alright for something that old!
refresh rate same as magna doodle toy 😄
the ghosting reminds me of OLED screen these days lol. the refresh rate is so crap except if u buy the $20k ones. even iphone oleds have terrible grey to grey response time lmao. no wonder nobody buys LCD monitor in the 80s.
LCDs were only really any good for typing on up untill 2005, they were (and still are tbh) horrible for anything that has any actual motion, LCDs are the king of static resolution displays imo, as are all sample & hold displays, but nothing has ever actually convincingly challenged CRTs top spot for dynamic resolution (motion), with the exception of late generation Plasma, which actually came remarkebly close to CRTs 65-70hz dynamic resolution performnce, thanks to their incredible sub-field and focused-field drive modulation technology, the latter of which reached 0.4ms MPRT.
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bende gij n nederlander ?
Misschien.
Do it with a ps5 😂
Lcd мониторы и телики полная ерунда. у меня был элт какой-то jvc из 90-х, и он был лучше по качеству и звуку, чем fhd плоский телевизор 2013г от lg , до сих пор эта хрень стоит лджишная, конечно это не топовый тв, а там см. 62. но а самсунг элт был уже из 2000-х это просто пушка, сломался наверное быстровато, но там было 100hz, и громкие динамики, с которыми бюджетные тв с lcd рядом не стоят до сих пор, конечно можно купить колонки, но блин нельзя что ли за 15к сделать было нормальный тв, это специально они сделали, чтобы страдать)
That lcd reminds me of my old toshiba 300cds. Terrible refresh rate
That ghosting is unbearable...
Ik ruik Nederlands
Ik ontken alles.
A glorified piece of junk. No wonder LCDs did not sell well until after 15 years later, when quality was considerably improved.
Nice bid, but mind that that you talk with your hands, an awful lot!
really a waste of money back in 89 being worse than any monocrome crt
Yeah, there are certain pieces of tech that don't deserve revisiting. This garbage screen is one of them. There's nothing interesting about a shit passive matrix display.
who would even buy it back then? its so expensive and objectively worse than any crt
I read somewhere that its selling points were less eye strain and less bulky. My guess it would have primarily been used by businesses.
ahead of its time but why would someone buy this its very bad compared to a crt from the time .
Not much has changed since then 🫤