Todd Michael Hall - Juke Box Hero - Voice Blind Audition - Season 18 (Performance Only)

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  • @thenameisadore
    @thenameisadore 2 роки тому +71

    ALL FOUR CHAIRS SHOULD HAVE TURNED. NO QUESTION.

  • @ariellecevallos9130
    @ariellecevallos9130 Рік тому +185

    still can’t believe this wasn’t a 4 chair turn. this dude is awesome

    • @bobbysimpson5540
      @bobbysimpson5540 Рік тому +11

      Kelly Clarkson wouldn't Know good music, what a Joke! Incredible VOICE!

    • @buzztrucker
      @buzztrucker 10 місяців тому +8

      For real they have turned for a lot less. Amazing vocalist.

    • @elguapoalso6886
      @elguapoalso6886 4 місяці тому +2

      Just a matter of jealousy from Kelly Clarkson, hearing a singer in real time who could hit notes that she never could hit. Props to John legend for knowing real vocal talent when he hears it.

    • @EE-qn4ks
      @EE-qn4ks 3 місяці тому +1

      Maybe some were already full you are right he is fantastic.

    • @kyleblack1206
      @kyleblack1206 2 місяці тому

      He already has his own band before ever being on the show. I genuinely believe the producers made sure he didn’t go further because a lot of the hype is finding new artists. Imagine Kelly picking some stupid songs as his coach too

  • @cesargutierrez76
    @cesargutierrez76 2 роки тому +221

    I don't understand why only two turned the chair, just as I don't understand why RIOT still doesn't get the recognition it deserves.

    • @davidgomez5469
      @davidgomez5469 2 роки тому +24

      Well.they pushing other types of music, it's unfortunately because by far this guy was one of the best voices of rock, the voice needs to hire a real rock star who knows how to sing

    • @Junglehunter677
      @Junglehunter677 Рік тому +19

      Because all the judges are either pop or country artists and don't know what to do with rock vocals

    • @brentlee1043
      @brentlee1043 Рік тому +3

      Face the Voice loves to shyt all over Rock

    • @dwaynejones8940
      @dwaynejones8940 Рік тому +6

      Because the voice only knows country and r&b! Not worth watching anymore! Should be 4 coaches, 4 different styles (rock Should be one.).

    • @missthangd4311
      @missthangd4311 Рік тому +1

      @@dwaynejones8940you say that and the last season’s winner was an alternative rock pop singer

  • @glennmorganfan9411
    @glennmorganfan9411 2 роки тому +129

    This man effortlessly hitting notes that would HURT other singers. Just an amazing performance that makes me keep coming back.

    • @glebroug
      @glebroug Рік тому +8

      hurt? thats being kind. i would need to be castrated moments before i sang. when i was younger i could hit some high notes.. but i've always had a very deep voice, matter of fact when i sing, whales respond on the other side of the globe. dude has pipes and presence

  • @jamesthompson4970
    @jamesthompson4970 Рік тому +38

    They did him dirty in the battle. Had him sing a genre that he wasn’t adapted to

    • @saymeperez4872
      @saymeperez4872 6 місяців тому +1

      So true 😢

    • @kyleblack1206
      @kyleblack1206 2 місяці тому

      @@saymeperez4872hes an established musician before being on the voice. Had his own band. The producers would rather find a new artist that isn’t so focused on a specific path

    • @kyleblack1206
      @kyleblack1206 Місяць тому

      It’s the entire point of the show to be versatile. But he was never gonna win anyways, he’s an established singer with his own band. They want new faces

  • @bonniebini5981
    @bonniebini5981 Рік тому +20

    Todd Michael Hall has an absolute phenomenal voice.

  • @MErpADeRp854
    @MErpADeRp854 Рік тому +43

    How he didn’t get four chairs is beyond me- his voice is so smooth, yet able to hit notes that would hurt others. That dude was on fire!🔥 He OWNED that song.

    • @slipknotfan8017
      @slipknotfan8017 Рік тому +4

      He didn’t because the voice is biased to country and pop rock doesn’t get the chance to shine sadly

  • @denalynnn2thelegendary170
    @denalynnn2thelegendary170 22 дні тому +2

    Turn those chairs! Love this song great performance

  • @Dan-qm7ho
    @Dan-qm7ho 2 роки тому +39

    Yep... I saw this guy on the Voice... and after hearing him sing... It was like Wow! A real Rocker and a an amazing voice and great talent.... Yes Todd Michael Hall is the real deal..... There is something special about him a rare light shining in his musical gift.... His rendition is stunning.... and brings a beautiful energy to the song.....

  • @jacquelinesantos4721
    @jacquelinesantos4721 Рік тому +22

    John's reaction was my reaction to this audition. He deserved all 4 chairs and a standing ovation. Great job TMH. 👏

  • @leilawerner1112
    @leilawerner1112 3 місяці тому +5

    Loved SIMPLY THE BEST
    which I can't find anymore. And, by the way you are simply the best and should have walked away with top honors on that show. Amazing vocal range.

  • @riujumponalsdolla9888
    @riujumponalsdolla9888 3 місяці тому +6

    Just discovering this for the first time. First time I heard Todd though was with Riot V at ProgPower in 2021 and I was blown away!

  • @ongakutanuki
    @ongakutanuki 3 місяці тому +6

    The most talented singer with the least recognition ever. Dude is on pair with Rob Halford and Midnight. And Riot is one of my all time favorite bands. Shine on man, those who know great music will always appreciate your work 🤘

  • @leahingraham5509
    @leahingraham5509 4 місяці тому +6

    Still LOVE this audition!!!! Such a great voice

  • @belindamckeighan9948
    @belindamckeighan9948 2 роки тому +25

    Been hooked ever since the first time I saw this video. They have never come close to having anyone with such a fantastic voice. Simply the best voice ever!!!

  • @pamviameer6102
    @pamviameer6102 Рік тому +7

    Will never understand why he wasn't picked . He's an incredible man and singer. Follow him every chance I get ❤

  • @mvpetersen11
    @mvpetersen11 Рік тому +3

    I don't care for this style of rock music in general but this... was absolutely amazing.

  • @paulatatzel7944
    @paulatatzel7944 2 роки тому +56

    Hi Todd, I've been a fan ever since this performance and have watched it several times along with all your other videos. Your a great singer, keep up the good work!

  • @MetalSStar196
    @MetalSStar196 5 місяців тому +6

    I gotta say, you've got that vocal mix of Lou Gramm and Steve Tyler, a great combination!

    • @yrunaked4
      @yrunaked4 5 місяців тому +2

      That’s a solid assessment

  • @timothyjensen3650
    @timothyjensen3650 Рік тому +7

    Todd killed it 🔥 🎤 🎶 💪

  • @perrimichele
    @perrimichele 2 роки тому +12

    One of the most amazing, no, the most amazing version of Juke Box Hero ever! Hands down....I still have it on my DVR from that season & continue to watch the faces on the Coaches. I felt Joe Jonas was scared to take this incredible voice on! Loved it, still do!
    And I enjoyed Todd, awhile before The Voice!

    • @aspencrest
      @aspencrest Рік тому +1

      It was so odd to watch him look to Blake for leadership, and then still didn't turn. Should have been a 4 chair turn IMO.

    • @caseydrought867
      @caseydrought867 Рік тому +1

      Agreed except it's Nick Jonas not joe 😂

  • @ashgreen570
    @ashgreen570 10 місяців тому +2

    That performance was immaculate!

  • @konigeurichderwestgoten4460
    @konigeurichderwestgoten4460 Рік тому +3

    (Placing a hand over my heart)
    He’s got my vote. 👍🏻

  • @philh8829
    @philh8829 9 місяців тому +4

    Amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Really want to hear SteelHeart's She's Gone and Journey's Separate Ways next!!!!

  • @mnphatt
    @mnphatt 10 місяців тому +4

    Two words......Yeah Baby!!!

  • @wushock92
    @wushock92 2 роки тому +33

    So good to hear that incredible performance again. Thanks, Todd!

    • @marcosfontes1...
      @marcosfontes1... 2 роки тому +7

      The guy sings at this high level, gives such a superb presentation and even had two judges who didn't turn. Do they really understand music?

    • @michelelaraia7358
      @michelelaraia7358 2 роки тому +2

      @@marcosfontes1... Bravo. And not everyone is knowledgeable.

  • @cendiesel
    @cendiesel 2 роки тому +31

    Man I wish they would release to you the full studio version. This is absolutely THE MOST F'N AWESOME version of this song I've ever heard!

    • @qayss8977
      @qayss8977 Рік тому +1

      I have no idea why more people aren´t writing your comment. It´s a perfect showpiece clip, but real music lovers want more, and the original rules as well.

    • @TMBSTNE284
      @TMBSTNE284 Рік тому

      I agree 1,000,000%

  • @Trial-Time-Tammy
    @Trial-Time-Tammy 2 роки тому +7

    So darn fun to watch again! The look on your families faces was the best!!!

  • @noahfernandes9383
    @noahfernandes9383 Рік тому +3

    Listened to this so MAny times

  • @Cary-i7p
    @Cary-i7p 6 місяців тому +5

    Legend sure "got it"

  • @scottgordon600
    @scottgordon600 Рік тому +2

    A.H.H.S Class of 87'. Always a really nice guy.

  • @aryzen2012
    @aryzen2012 2 роки тому +5

    I have to say Todd.. just like I did in the original post...! This and all your performances were outstanding, clearly a season winning contender, probably THE WINNER..! When they eliminated you over that other contestant...I STOPPED WATCHING THAT SHOW FOR GOOD..!! That put a real dirty taste in my mouth and I now have no respect for that show or the judges because they clearly don't pick on vocal performances and that is a shame because the title of the show is THE VOICE. They couldn't handle metal vocal prowess like that. RIOT is killer. If you guys play anywhere near Upstate NY I will be there. Rock on man.

    • @ToddMichaelHallMusician
      @ToddMichaelHallMusician  2 роки тому +10

      Thank you. I appreciate your compliments on my singing. I think there were a lot of great singers on the show. The show just tends to lean pop and I knew that was the case. I had a wonderful experience and I don't think winning would have made things turn out much differently, so all is good.

    • @aryzen2012
      @aryzen2012 2 роки тому +4

      @@ToddMichaelHallMusician Yea I agree there were some great singers. I'm sure you did have a wonderful experience. I guess from watching the show for so many years and seeing the same thing happen to others just rubbed me the wrong way lol. You are an amazing vocalist and I believe you have proved on your page you can sing "anything". All the best to you man.

  • @mrjosh_4rm1
    @mrjosh_4rm1 Рік тому +3

    1:01 Whaaa- 🤯🤯🤯
    Loved this part

  • @davidlestervoice8914
    @davidlestervoice8914 6 місяців тому +5

    I am pissed off at UA-cam or whoever deleted the battle between him and Joei Fulco!!!!! That was a great battle off!!!

    • @ToddMichaelHallMusician
      @ToddMichaelHallMusician  6 місяців тому +1

      I love that one too. I have tried to upload it on my personal account, but I get a copyright violation notice from UA-cam. Universal studios owns The Voice footage, so they are the ones preventing it from being uploaded.

    • @davidlestervoice8914
      @davidlestervoice8914 6 місяців тому +1

      @@ToddMichaelHallMusician Universal!!! Well that explains a lot now!!! So worried about copyright......Geez!!!

  • @PatriciaHellgina
    @PatriciaHellgina 2 роки тому +9

    You have the best voice on the planet! And not only that: it's too beautiful! Your stage presence is fascinating! I know you through Riot V, but today I make a point of following all your beautiful work! Kisses from a fan who accompanies you here in Brazil.

  • @pranjalhazarika6270
    @pranjalhazarika6270 2 роки тому +3

    What a cover man. Take a bow

  • @paulatatzel7944
    @paulatatzel7944 2 роки тому +4

    Hi Todd thank you for saving this performance for us fans

  • @CMiller-kj2uh
    @CMiller-kj2uh 9 місяців тому +1

    My favorite 💫

  • @cruz1aviator
    @cruz1aviator 2 роки тому +3

    Contestants usually only pick a song they can actually sing. As soon as I heard that intro I would’ve turned my chair around.

  • @forliberty1805
    @forliberty1805 2 роки тому +4

    I wanted to hear so much more from you when you were on the show. So disappointing you didn't make it further. Song choice is everything.

  • @franleafp
    @franleafp 2 роки тому +2

    Thanks for uploading this. I had the original saved in my favorites then it was gone.

  • @starnook1239
    @starnook1239 2 роки тому +3

    You did amazing at this, I still remember it! ✨

  • @Liluuuu
    @Liluuuu 2 роки тому +4

    You are just so freaking amazing... Makes me think at times that you are Dio´s son or some sort of it. Some of my first reactions after seeing this, was thinking "I want to listen to his band, because FOR SURE he is in a metal band, and it has to be awesome", and found out an amazing artist with an incredible work with so much to delight with...

  • @stprscottie
    @stprscottie 2 роки тому +3

    Rock On!!!!

  • @donantiskandar6935
    @donantiskandar6935 Рік тому +3

    His voice is amazing, only 2 chairs? 😅

  • @tcconnection
    @tcconnection 2 роки тому +6

    Even if you don't know Riot/Riot V, hearing that voice how could you not turn around?

  • @dunbartonspartanz
    @dunbartonspartanz 2 роки тому +5

    Haven't heard anybody say "rock is dead" since this audition...coincidence? I think not

  • @marcosfontes1...
    @marcosfontes1... 2 роки тому +9

    Esse Todd Michael Hall é bom mesmo heim

  • @paulajane9828
    @paulajane9828 2 роки тому +2

    Love everything about this song forever your awesome ❤️ 🎶💯🔥♥️🎵🔥💯

  • @XxHarmony63Xx
    @XxHarmony63Xx 4 місяці тому +2

    I STILL can not get enough of this audition. Todd is soooo incredibly talented & he's not had to look at either lol

  • @kaidan745
    @kaidan745 9 місяців тому +3

    Santo Deus, um pecado as caderias não se virarem pra essa performance, o cara foi a essência da música, talvez pela falta do coros. Mas acredito que os juizes não sabiam a música, tenho certeza.

  • @Matthew6418
    @Matthew6418 2 роки тому +7

    102 likes 0 dislikes just how it should be.

    • @ToddMichaelHallMusician
      @ToddMichaelHallMusician  2 роки тому +3

      I appreciate the sentiment and I would like to think it's because everybody likes me but I believe UA-cam disabled the dislike feature. 😁

    • @Matthew6418
      @Matthew6418 2 роки тому +5

      @@ToddMichaelHallMusician I have the addon enabled that shows the dislike number-its 0 lol

    • @Matthew6418
      @Matthew6418 2 роки тому +3

      @@ToddMichaelHallMusician now up to 421/0. Still just as it should be.

  • @JuanGarcia-hc1mn
    @JuanGarcia-hc1mn 6 місяців тому +3

    So crazy that it wasn't a 4-chair turn hero. I really don't understand

  • @thepyrokitten
    @thepyrokitten 3 місяці тому +5

    bruh this was as good as the official version - shouldve been 4 chairs.

    • @kyleblack1206
      @kyleblack1206 Місяць тому

      If John turns first you know they’re amazing. Kelly and Nick just didn’t hit button because they have no clue how to select songs for this guy

  • @116imagine
    @116imagine Рік тому +4

    Have been wondering for a while now where the performance with him and Joei Fulco singing 'Simply the Best' by Tina Turner went. With everyone now trying to honor her with their own covers, this would have been nice to share. Was absolutely amazing! Why is it completely scrubbed from UA-cam?

    • @ToddMichaelHallMusician
      @ToddMichaelHallMusician  Рік тому +3

      All of The Voice performances were taken down on the two-year anniversary. I was able to reload my blind audition, but when I tried to reload the battle round performance I received a copyright infringement notice because it's too long. The blind audition is short enough that it doesn't get tagged for infringement. Perhaps I could do it if I added some commentary but I haven't had the time to play with it. They reloaded it in Europe, but it's not visible here in the United States.

    • @116imagine
      @116imagine Рік тому +2

      @@ToddMichaelHallMusician Thank you for the explanation. I had noticed quite some time ago because I had wanted to add it to our store Playlist. We do play Tina's version but I like to mix it up with good covers as well. I Can appeal to the wide variety of customers that way. I've snuck pretty hard stuff through with a different cover. Anyways, appreciate you clearing that up. Will keep checking back for when it's ever available. Take care and have an excellent day! 😊

  • @nickmaestas8441
    @nickmaestas8441 Рік тому +2

    Crazy didnt know Todd was on the voice. That new Riot album though, where's it at? Unleash the Fire and Armor of Light were bangers

  • @jaredbradley4095
    @jaredbradley4095 Рік тому +3

    Easiest 4 chair turn in history

  • @sollerhollersoulblade6126
    @sollerhollersoulblade6126 2 роки тому +6

    Dude I know this Sounds Ridiculous but you should enter
    The Voice Australia They More into Rock There 👍

    • @ToddMichaelHallMusician
      @ToddMichaelHallMusician  2 роки тому +3

      That is an interesting suggestion. I'm not sure they want an American trying to enter their competition though. 😁

    • @sollerhollersoulblade6126
      @sollerhollersoulblade6126 2 роки тому +5

      @@ToddMichaelHallMusician You will be surprised lol 👍

  • @crazyrider3005
    @crazyrider3005 Рік тому +3

    Where is the video of you and Joey singing

    • @ToddMichaelHallMusician
      @ToddMichaelHallMusician  Рік тому

      Our performance clip is about 2 and 1/2 minutes long, which is apparently too long to post and not violate NBC universal copyright claims. I tried to load it, but it would not allow it to be visible in the United States territories. ☹️

  • @leonardofx
    @leonardofx 3 місяці тому +2

    Why all 4 chairs didn't turn???

  • @charlottebutler6849
    @charlottebutler6849 2 роки тому +3

    HOW DID HE ONLY GET TWO CHAIRS

  • @douglasmcconnell8116
    @douglasmcconnell8116 Рік тому +2

    WOW 👌 👏

  • @detakumbara8078
    @detakumbara8078 Рік тому +2

    Wow terbaik

  • @maribelcm5953
    @maribelcm5953 2 роки тому +1

    Excellent

  • @russelltipton4797
    @russelltipton4797 2 роки тому +5

    They should have let you do a Riot song from Armor Of Light, Victory or Heart Of A Lion!

    • @ToddMichaelHallMusician
      @ToddMichaelHallMusician  2 роки тому +8

      It would have been nice. 😁 Actually, if I had made it to the live rounds, there was talk of me doing an Iron Maiden song. That would have been very unique for The Voice.

    • @russelltipton4797
      @russelltipton4797 2 роки тому +4

      @@ToddMichaelHallMusician Well you guys ruled here in San Antonio last Friday night, can't wait til yall can make it back!

  • @musicandmoviefan9217
    @musicandmoviefan9217 7 місяців тому +3

    powerhouse voice definitely sounds like a hard rocker from the big hair bands

  • @zmaninpgh
    @zmaninpgh Рік тому +1

    My best friend, Pete Rossi was in the band Reverence with him along with Dr. Killdrums formerly of Savatage. Todd was smart enough to leave the band and my friend Pete Rossi died from fentanyl around the same time. You should check their videos on UA-cam. They got another band called Reverence all easy, listening music it’s not that band I would start off with the song too late and that’ll bring you into the other videos.

  • @pako1272
    @pako1272 2 роки тому +3

    I still don't know why you didn't win... These guys judging you seems like my mother teaching Lewis Hamilton how to drive.

  • @cruz1aviator
    @cruz1aviator Рік тому +3

    Foreigner classic anthem i’da turned that chair soon as the first note hit. You don’t pick a song you can’t do and Jukebox Hero is about as high as it can get.

  • @theshredneckcsp
    @theshredneckcsp 8 місяців тому +3

    This guy should sing for a band. Idk maybe he'd fit well in Riot

  • @TheMetalMag
    @TheMetalMag 2 роки тому +2

    U’re a great singer no need those new artists to accept that.

  • @thebrawltvshow509
    @thebrawltvshow509 2 роки тому +4

    thundersteel !

  • @chrivzy7084
    @chrivzy7084 2 місяці тому +3

    The fact that he didn’t win didn’t make any sense to me bro

    • @kyleblack1206
      @kyleblack1206 18 днів тому

      Only coach that remotely had an idea what to have him sing was Blake. Nick and Kelly know he’s good but that they’d have zero idea what songs to pick

  • @AldeirDonovanSinger
    @AldeirDonovanSinger 2 роки тому +4

    Master

    • @ToddMichaelHallMusician
      @ToddMichaelHallMusician  2 роки тому +5

      You have a great voice also.

    • @AldeirDonovanSinger
      @AldeirDonovanSinger 2 роки тому +4

      @@ToddMichaelHallMusician Wow, receiving a compliment from you is filling my heart with joy. Congratulations and much health to you.

  • @masamune..
    @masamune.. 2 роки тому +2

    I thought I heard the new Geddy Lee here ..wow

  • @Pimpdown24
    @Pimpdown24 2 роки тому +4

    You should’ve won

  • @berndsolo4238
    @berndsolo4238 Рік тому +5

    The judges don't recognize the talent and good musicians

  • @m11118
    @m11118 2 роки тому +2

    I cant listen to the original after hearing your version. So much better. Please do a cover on this song if you've not already done it.

  • @imagefabrik_medien
    @imagefabrik_medien Рік тому +1

    Okay. 2 Guys with a plan about good music. And two who are defintely deaf. Guess who is who.

  • @TooChillery
    @TooChillery 2 роки тому +2

    Where is the full audition can’t find it anywhere

  • @christophertiredofbs8514
    @christophertiredofbs8514 Рік тому +1

    God I wish that was me

  • @jefftang6960
    @jefftang6960 2 роки тому +2

    You stay your ass in that lane! 🤣

  • @jesusthomas4948
    @jesusthomas4948 2 роки тому +3

    👍

  • @zapp99
    @zapp99 2 роки тому +3

    My goodness the mic couldn't keep up with you!

  • @bethanykay7380
    @bethanykay7380 2 роки тому +2

    🎤❤️🤩👏

  • @anicatt
    @anicatt 9 місяців тому

    Snap it 👋 good

  • @RolandWebster-l1u
    @RolandWebster-l1u Місяць тому +1

    Jackson Maria Perez David Thompson Margaret

  • @jolosarmiento24
    @jolosarmiento24 Рік тому

    came here for Todd Michael Hall but i got Todd Michael Fassbender instead 😅

  • @aspencrest
    @aspencrest Рік тому

    Why did they take it down? I think there is more to the story but will not speculate.

    • @ToddMichaelHallMusician
      @ToddMichaelHallMusician  Рік тому +1

      They took all of the original videos down on exactly the 2-year anniversary. I am assuming it has something to do with sync licenses.

  • @elizabethstilphen1554
    @elizabethstilphen1554 6 місяців тому +2

    I don’t understand why this wasn’t a four chair turn and that he didn’t win. 🙄 What was wrong with those judges??? 🧐

  • @thomasmartin1588
    @thomasmartin1588 Рік тому +4

    Damn dude, why you didn't win is beyond me, but then again the metal community is different from fans of the TV show the voice I'm certain. It's like someone like Jennifer Hudson (although a great singer) fronting a metal band. It just wouldn't work.

  • @goproAZ
    @goproAZ Рік тому +3

    Unbelievable this guy killed the song is so hard to even match Foreigner but he might have done a better version

  • @thrshwll1526
    @thrshwll1526 2 роки тому +2

    He chose the wrong coach. Should've chosen John. He would've stayed longer or won

  • @PapaSarto
    @PapaSarto Рік тому +1

    Dear Mr Hall, I firmly believe that you should have won the competition! That is not to say that Ms Joei Fulco wasn't great, it is just that I think that you were fantastic! Please do not be upset if I say this though - your song choice of 'Somebody to Love" in the 4-way knock-out stage was not as good as your previous songs. It did not highlight to me your killer slow rock vocals, sir. God bless!

  • @Feen-o8n
    @Feen-o8n Рік тому +1

    I would have turned around in 2.2 seconds.

  • @jesusthomas4948
    @jesusthomas4948 2 роки тому +3

    Wow better than Kelly Hansen!!!

  • @tcconnection
    @tcconnection 6 місяців тому +2

    What the heck was wrong with the other two judges? Idc what they were "looking for."

  • @carolinesimpson6678
    @carolinesimpson6678 7 місяців тому +2

    I’m still pissed at this show for the abuse of this talent

  • @zmaninpgh
    @zmaninpgh Рік тому +1

    They gave Todd cheese dick songs to sing after the second and third round. They just did not want a metal singer to win the voice. It’s obvious just like when Mariah Formica sang on the voice they did the same thing to her.

  • @janeyue7491
    @janeyue7491 Рік тому +2

    Todd should have made it much much much farther. 4 way knockout! Who makes that dumb rule anyways?