Avoiding the heresy of "Americanism"
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- The Argument of the Month Club www.aotmclub.co... speaking about how to be Catholic and American from Pope Leo XIII's encyclical condemning this heresy in Testem Benevolentiae Nostrae www.papalencycl.... How we need to take back out Catholic identity & be Catholics before being Americans. We are Catholics who happen to live in America.
Thank you Sensus Fidelium for all the Catholic videos you put on you tube. I have learned so much and want to continue to learn and grow in the knowledge of my faith. May God bless you
Very few Catholics have a traditional Catholic worldview..They're born "Catholic" but raised Republican or Democrat...
Bill Penn Very true . Unfortunately true.
@@tomthx5804 no. I'm also here.
that is the traditional catholic worldview now, vatican 2 is dogma, accept it or leave catholicism
I was fortunate to hear this debate in person
Hard to have a conversation about the Americanist heresy when one of the panel unwittingly defends everything about Americanism...
@@tomthx5804, no, it's even more terrible to read boys like you having tantrums on the Internet.
It's fascinating listening to this 8 years later, when the slide into totalitarianism is almost complete.
It makes you wonder why the powers that be took so long. It's because these monsters play the long game, and they don't just want to enslave bodies, but minds and hearts as well.
I was just thinking the same thing. Mike was right.
Thanks for making this conversation available
i agree. i have seen this americanism overtake our faith.
Very good; inspiring at 33:00 minutes drawing on the Catholic Empires of Spain and France inaugurating the New World.
France? Did France bring Paris, Lyon, Montpellier to the American continent?
Thanks for exposing those oldest social truths
This video is incredibly difficult to follow. One would need to take notes. And I never do that with UA-cam videos. The United States of America was founded upon an idea about the individual that is by its very nature Deist / Masonic / Calvinist and against Philosophy and the Faith. The Americanism is not a heresy against the Constitution. It is in the Constitution. Most of the knowledge in these matters depends on definitions and clarifications of terms. And I find that this discussion is lacking in it.
David doesn't realize that he is putting the brotherhood of man above brotherhood in Christ.
I don't care for the guy who says we don't need the confessional state he sounds a lot like a protestant.
This is completely wild to listen to in 2023. 😮
In _Testem Benevolentiae Nostrae_ , Pope Leo XIII points out that "Americanism" should only be condemned if that term is being used to describe the view of those who “would have the Church in America to be different from what it is in the rest of the world.” In other words, there is nothing wrong with "Americanism" if that term is being used to describe all of those teachings of St. Robert Bellarmine that we find in the Declaration of Independence (viz.: political power and rights come from God; all men are created equal; political power is given by the consent of the people to the government; governments are instituted to secure people’s rights; and the people can alter or abolish their form of government if there be legitimate cause).
UNITED STATES OF JESUS CHRIST!!!!
Cool idea.
Great discussion by some smart dudes!
P.S. I REALLY wish we had the Latin mass, for many reasons, but I will say I find it gorgeous and uplifting, I like the idea of mass being the same in EVERY country, and because it is a dead language, the meanings of the words will not change. I find the novus ordo a n UGLY conglomerate of dull language and Truly awful music resembling the worst protestant influences
Pope Leo XIII's "Admiration" for the Constitution of the United States:
“We wish that Your Eminence would express to the President [Grover Cleveland] all our admiration for the Constitution of the United States, not only because it permits active, intelligent citizens to achieve such a high level of prosperity, but also because under its protection, Catholics have enjoyed a liberty that has undoubtedly spurred their extraordinary religious development in the past and that will permit them we believe to further America’s political institutions in the future.” ~ Pope Leo XIII, in a letter to the Cardinal of Baltimore, 1887 (1)
1. Zaratti, Alfonso, _The Work of the Catholic Church in the United States of America_ (Rome: Nardini, 1956), p. 271.
To follow the tread of natural law - from the Decalogue to the American founding & the Declaration of Independence) “ laws of nature & natures God ) reason & revelation?? ( Aristotle/ Aquinas) This first principle of the moral character of America dissolved in the 19th century- ? ?
Would you say that the heresy of Americanism is the same as the heresy of Gallicanism in France?
No. Gallicanism seems to be about pitting local secular and ecclesial authorities against the Pope. Whereas Americanism is about a metaphysical shift away from the Church and towards the individual. It's kind of a situation where everyone is unwittingly Calvinist.
Eric Blair--Linda Blair's brother.
I understand the debate about Christian governance and that was covered. I'm honestly more interested in the cultural debate about relativism. That's the reason the Church is fading, people aren't interested in the Truth anymore. Love is Love is reigning as people's motto and no that's not accurate at all. Love isn't love, that's precisely the problem. People are yearning for Truth and aren't being fed, that's why society isn't ordered properly and we are seeing shootings etc.
The Third Plenary Council of Baltimore (1884): The Founding Fathers Were “Heroes”
“Teach your children to take a special interest in the history of our own country. We consider the establishment of our country’s independence, the shaping of its liberties and laws as a work of special Providence, its framers ‘building better than they knew,’ the Almighty’s hand guiding them. And if ever the glorious fabric be subverted or impaired it will be by men forgetful of the sacrifices of the heroes that reared it, the virtues that cemented it, and the principles on which it rests, or ready to sacrifice principle and virtue to the interests of self or party.” ~ _Pastoral Letter to the Clergy and Laity_ , issued at the close of The Third Plenary Council of Baltimore, December 7, 1884 (1)
1. Guilday, Peter, _A History of the Councils of Baltimore_ (New York: The Macmillan Company, 1932), pp. 248-249.
Bring back the Catholic Monarchy!
Vivat Christus Rex!
It seems to me that non-Catholics do not understand the Catholic faith and many Catholics don't as well. We are all children of a modernity founded by ex-catholics Machiavelli and Luther. Their projects have been much more successful in undermining truth in all its comprehensiveness. Catholics who practice and continue to seek an understanding of their faith would do well to understand modernity. Modernity undermines nature and common sense and so no appeal to a no longer recognized nature is convincing for many. It is all well and good to repeat Aquinas that grace elevates nature but it was Machiavelli who launched the now taken for granted notion that nature has no ends. Only man's purposes exist.
Catholics who focus on history alone or go back to Kant or Descartes miss the ominous and continuing impact of Machiavelli 's effectual truth!!
The following was written by E. Wayne Thompson, noted historian on religion and Baptist preacher from Virginia.Taken from the book, This Day in Baptist History (volume 1, published 1993), the article was for September 25 and entitled “Baptists and the Federal Bill of Rights.”
The final drafts of the twelve amendments (out of the many that had been suggested by James Madison and others) were passed by Congress on September 25, 1789, after only seven or eight days of debate, and were presented to the states for approval. This action fulfilled the promise of Madison to John Leland and the Baptists when, as a delegate to the Virginia Constitutional Convention and later as a candidate from Orange County for the House of Representatives in the Congress of the United States , Madison solicited their support.
All this began with the influence of the Baptists upon Madison, Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, and other leading statesmen in Virginia. The Baptists had been consistent in their convictions relating to liberty of conscience for many years. *Their convictions were demonstrated by their willingness to suffer physical abuse and imprisonment.* These convictions caused them to petition the Virginia legislature on many occasions.
Some years before when a committee was appointed by the Virginia legislature to write a Declaration of Rights, George Mason presented the articles, of which the 16th had the phrase "that all men should enjoy the fullest toleration in the exercise of religion.'' Madison raised an objection to the term toleration and offered the substitute "all men are equally entitled to the free exercise of religion according to the dictates of conscience.'' Toleration, Madison maintained, belonged to a system where there was an established church and where liberty was a thing granted, not of right, but of grace. He feared the power in the hands of a dominant religion to construe what ''may disturb the peace, the happiness, or the safety of society," and he ventured to propose the substitute which was finally adopted. *It marks an era in legislative history and is believed to be the first provision ever embodied in any constitution or law for the security of absolute equality before the law to all religious opinions.*
Where did Madison learn the distinction between religious freedom and religious toleration? *Surely it was from observing his Baptist neighbors who persistently taught that the civil magistrates had nothing to do with matters of religion and as a result had experienced persecutions.* Jeremiah Walker, John Williams, and George Roberts were appointed by the Baptists to represent their views on such important occasions :J ..J. before the legislature and were doubtless on hand.2
It was John Leland, James Madison's near neighbor with whom Madison counseled on more than one occasion, who wrote, "Government should protect every man in thinking and speaking freely, and see that one does not abuse another. The liberty I contend for, is more than toleration. The very idea of toleration is despicable; it supposes that some have a pre-eminence above the rest to grant indulgence.''
After a long, bitter struggle, religious freedom had triumphed in Virginia. The words of Virginia's Declaration of Rights were incorporated into the Federal Bill of Rights and began with ''Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”
Thank God for the humble Baptists of Virginia who, after the century-old tradition of their forefathers, were faithful to the Baptist principle of separation of church and state. May we protect this liberty for our posterity.
The Catholic "church" seeks to gain dominance over all sectors of American culture and government which will lead to the persecution of ALL those who reject popery and unbiblical dogmas perpetuated by it. What happened in Europe in the dark ages will happen again here in this country IF the catholic church usurps liberty in favor of a state religion. This country was founded by those who fled England for religious liberty based on the Truths of scripture, not MAN'S TRADITION.
Jesus exposed the Pharisees for their TRADITION because it violated the scriptures.
If you want to thank those who gave us the bill of rights and TRUE religious freedom in this country feel free to thank the colonial BAPTISTS.
Hearing the word "popery" sounds funny to me; maybe it's because of the homonym with "potpourri" which is the assorted scent of flowers. It is the consent of the governed that provides a cornerstone for the American experiment. George Washington rejected the notion of being described as a king not because it made him better than the people who elected him. If I remember correctly, his election to the presidency was near unanimous, and it was only the introduction of political parties that brought faction and division into the country much to George Washington and James Madison's dismay and warning. Since this argument was back in 2012 I'm guessing, there have been gradual pulls to resist and pull away from unanimous consent of the people to agree on the issues that plague the United States in particular. It is a sentiment that can be echoed in tv shows you can say , "F*** the king" and being given applause for such utterances. We could hardly see the nation today that Abraham Lincoln fought for when he said, "One Nation, One Destiny."
And what if the governed do not consent? Everyone should read Curtis Yarvin's blog like I did once. A most memorable quote there was that democracy simulates power the same way that porn simulates sex. The US is a state founded on porn about individual power. The Greek 'porneia' signifies the selling out of something to gain something of less value (here the evanescent power of the individual).