OMG! I went shopping a long time ago. I’m 78 yrs old, and when I don’t understand something, (like my husband explaining why an automobile in a movie doesn’t make that sound, doesn’t explode that way, then goes into the most minute details of how an engine is built), I smile, and think about shopping while I nod my head and pretend to listen. So, when I realized I’m doing the same thing…can’t keep up…I went shopping. Thank you, though. I know you’re good and I’ve watched you before.
It’s not easy doing “only” 5 hours of research and then speaking to us as an expert on a subject. It’s one thing to learn something. It’s quite another to understand it so well that you can discuss it and explain it in a condensed and thorough way. Great job. Subscribed years ago when I found your parody vids, and haven’t looked back.
Its not that complicated. Things to keep in mind: 1. Transfer Speed (2.0, 3.0, 3.1 Gen1, 3.1 Gen2) 2. Power (Power delivery 2.0 and 3.0) 3. Display protocols (display port and thunderbolt) 4. Mode (active or passive) Its amazing how USB can support all those protocols in one thin wire. I think USB standard is the best invention on the planet.
Whats the point of speaking that out? Lightning is just a properitary connector that uses USB2 and will only fit in Apple Products; iPods and iPhones for the major part. While USB C is an universal standard with potentially way more... uhm... anything.
sagich dirdochnicht lighting is a better physical connection. it's design allows it to be more robust . usb c still has the pins floating in the center of the socket . making them prone to bending and breaking.
When I was young, engineers worked on simplifying, ergonomics, one size fits all, etc. Now they make things more complicated and call it advanced! When I was young, I could operate the radio and the AC in my car without looking. Modern cars have touchscreens and menus to scroll through to do the same, making you take your eyes off the road. And they call it advanced technology. USB-C would be a great idea if one cable would work on everything, regardless of speed or function - That would be efficient engineering and give a truly advanced product. Right now I use 5 different USB cables for my various devices which all have different connector types. Devices using USB-C cables should be standardized, so your cellphone cable can be used on your digital camera or your external hard drive, your battery charger or whatever. That would be a true technological advance.
Joe thanks for trying to simplify the USB c categories. Like you I think the industry should color code the cables and the jacks. I could quite easily see this turning into a hugely confused area for computer and electronic users. And I thought that USB was supposedly trying to make the connectivity issues simpler to use. I'm reminded of the 1980''s when you had to - 1 set dip switches 2- Use special non-standard drivers 3- manually modify autoexec.bat and config.sys files 4- Use only certain pieces of hardware for alleged compatibility 5- use the same memory speed, manufacturer, and manufacturer run to work together.
This was very helpful! Unfortunately, the specification is disappointing for the reasons you mentioned. Trying to diagnose incompatibilities, especially for non-technical people is going to be frustrating. Like many people, I was looking forward to the benefits of the physical change, but I think this makes things worse. It would be nice if one of the device ends informed the user about the cable's capabilities or incompatibilities once plugged in.
I appreciate you sharing this. I thought I had the latest USB options on my laptop but alas NOT! You saved me from buying a laptop dock that clearly wouldn't have worked. Thank you!
This video, the explanation of the Samsung exploding battery video, and many other long ones are probably boring and too long for a large part of the audience to watch, but we really have to appreciate the amount of work joe puts into making these videos, all that time you're learning something new. 5 hours of research, you deserve more views and money! Great work!
The only gripe I have is in the discussion of power, you completely ignored the different VOLTAGES that the USB-C / Power Delivery supports. It's not just about the Amperage. For example, you mention "3A, 60W up to 5A, 100W." Well, the other side of it is the voltage. If the charger only supports 5 Volts, the absolute maximum power output would be 25W, because 5V * 5A = 25W. And some USB-C cables support higher voltages than others.
My dad knows this stuff too. So USB C has high speed data transfer. That’s USB C 3.0. I looked up the info, and this is what Google’s AI told me. “USB-C cable can support USB 2.0 speeds, meaning you can find USB-C connectors that only transfer data at the standard USB 2.0 rate of 480 Mbps; essentially, a "USB-C 2.0" cable exists and is primarily used for charging and basic data transfer with slower speeds compared to newer USB-C standards like USB 3.2 or USB 4.0”.
Excellent video! Clear video and audio, short yet complete, to the point, illustrative, future proof, aware of realistic situations, suggesting solutions, preventing confusion. Other youtubers (and ebayers!!) should learn from this form and content.
Color was a good idea: display USB C = Red, black = standard transfer, blue = high speed USB 3.1 Gen 2, 100W power = green, and ones that support multiple of those have multiples colors like half and half and 1/3 of it is each color
USB-C is actually very simple.The transdimentional hyperlink helps discombobulate the cubed electrons which are stuck in stasis.Once the thin layer of crystal threaded fibers have their molecules aligned (which obviously keep the angulous in balance with the triangulouscalculational front end) the data and power can do their thang.Or some shit.
Thank you this Most informative video. I have just upgraded my cell phone to Galaxy S9, so I am new to this cable. You explain this plug and power options Very well with plain language, Very thoroughly. I am not sure what these other guys are taking about, but you come across likable and honest. Thank you.
surfie007 lmfao tell me why i was jus thinkin the same damn thing like wow he did 2+hours of research for this vid jus for me to be like um lmao i cant fkn tell if ur serious or jus playin😂
I'm totally impressed with the high standard in preparing your clips - mainly the smart balance between giving a comprehensive idea about the subject in hand and maintaining the entertaining aspect. Expecting you very soon to having PhD in IT filed :)
I'm a tech guy and research everything unto pain has been endured. You saved me from that so I thank you, great presentation and it was too dumbed down for proficient and tech-historic folk. Keep up the good work, I'm going to check out more of your videos now.
As a nerd; the insane variation already makes my head hurt; I can't imagine how someone like my wife who doesn't give a crap; would ever navigate any of this..
Thanks a million ! Just spent over an hour on the phone and gent said it wouldn't matter. Had to double check and found your site., and obviously it does matter !!
OMG thank you for explaining the A,B,C and 2.0, 3.0 etc. I thought I was going crazy trying to understand it all, and you just explained it all in one sentence.
Well done for getting all that information spoken at once so quickly I was impressed! Even reading that lot out from a proper auto-cue would be a major exercise!
USB-C with Thunderbolt 3 is very amazing :) Wanna use a external gpu? USB-C Wanna use a fast monitor? USB-C Wanna charge ur device? USB-C Or all together? USB-C (All USB-C with Thunderbolt 3)
I just switched from a laptop plus monitor set up that I punched about 11 years ago. It was still very functional and all usb A plugs. The new version of the same set up is all usb c so in buying all new cable/plug inventory I ensured every item could transmit 10 gbs, handle at least 65 watts and have braided cables. I didn’t want any cables or plugs that couldn’t do everything. I checked it all and seems good. The Studio display comes with a Thunderbolt cable to connect the M2 Air so I’m sticking to that for the all important data/power link in one cable. I do use a projector for teaching which needs hdmi so I purchased a cable specifically built to connect Usbc to hdmi. This video was very helpful. Thanks.
4:13 I suspect that the lower power specification on the mini-USB cable is because there were no devices requiring more power than that using that particular connector.
If you are using power signals coming out of the computer to deliver signals to components outside of the computer, that is to perform a function in the real world, every part of the output signal must be correct or you risk destroying expensive hardware components or performing incorrect functions that could ultimately have dire physical consequences. The greater the number of wires in the connector, the greater the chance of making a mistake!
Backintheday USB was designed to eliminate and supercede parallel ports by going to serial configuration and thus greatly reducing the number of wires needed to perform a function. With USB-C, etc by adding additional wires, the number of choices again sky rockets and the possibility of error is compounded. Greater speed in and of itself means nothing if the wrong functions are being performed.
bangs head on table repeatedly. Its hard enough to explain the differences between between usb, thunderbolt etc to customers already. This is going to be a retailer nightmare....
Hello sir I am from Iran. I can alittle speak&read&writhe English.Thank you very very very much for you're teach. You are a very very good teacher.Excellent.
So @ThioJoe, this video has been very helpful to all those who are using USB C Cables. Honestly, I agree with you that consumers will be just plain confused because of all the different types of power and speed capabilities, not to mention protocols. Anyhow, Seeing that this is such a well put video, did you happen to find any cables that actually support the "best" or most looked features? (I mean ideally, one would want a USB type C cable that is 3.1 Gen 2 [I.e. Full Featured] with USB PD and cables with desired protocols? (like for example, one that has the correct protocol for Hdmi)?
so you actually decided to do real videos instead of making me look like a complete idiot trying to get faster internet with a stick of bubble gum and a penny
My biggest gripe with these new "standards" is that it makes self-repair significantly more difficult. Used to be that a laptop charging cable was super easy to fix. Nowadays? Not a chance.. Buy an entirely new charger.. But of course, that's the point of this new "standard". Increased complexity == more $$$ for big tech.
Wow, I had no idea. I haven't watched your channel in quite a while. Nothing against you, just distracted with other stuff. I need to get back to show with Thio Joe! Very informative video for one of the "regular" Joes. Thank you.
Wow, this is the most accurate video on this subject I have seen. I have been really frustrated with the confusion which is not helped with other You-Tubers doing videos to explain it, but really giving wrong information. There is an Alternate mode for Ethernet and Intel has a Driver for their Thunderbolt chip to pass 10GbE packets over the cable when in TB mode. From what I understand, the TB Host Controller sends a packet (perhaps at power up) in USB Mode to the attached Device to see if it is a TB Device Controller. If not, then the TB Host Controller switches off and passes the USB and all Alternate Mode packets across untouched. But if the Device has a TB chip, then the cable switches into TB mode and USB and other USB Alternate Mode defined packets are sent over the TB mode TB has defined Daisy Chain support of up to 6 devices, so there can be a Type-C connector on a TB Device to continue to forward packets onto if the device doesn't consume them locally. This include splitting out the USB and USB Alternate Mode packets and forwarding them to local HDMI, DP, USB connectors on the TB Device, but they are still forwarded. For instance, if a TB Device has a DP port, you can connect a monitor to it and drive video from the TB Device, but still using the Alt-DP mode (although we might claim validly or not that the DP packet was forwarded in TB Mode), subsequently, we can have another TB Device with a DP connector daisy-chained from the first and drive a 2nd monitor from it. Of course the total number of monitors that can be attached can be significantly more than the Display Controller (GPU) has Video Streams and so only that many can be active. I once connected 15 screens to a computer that only supported 4, so while Windows showed me 15 monitors, when I enabled one, it disabled another. Anyway, digression. Also, for the most part, the USB Spec Revision is what we say, USB 2.0, 3.0, 3.1, 3.2 and upcoming 4.0, which is the revision of the spec and has nothing to do with the connector or speed. That is why a USB 3.0 connector is renamed to USB 3.1 Gen 1, then to USB 3.2 Gen 1, and soon USB 4.0 Gen 1 even though the computer is the same one for the last 5 years. You alluded to this better than anyone else I have found, but it could be fleshed out a bit more with 4.0 coming. With USB 4.0 (which is essentially non-Intel regulated Thunderbolt), the bandwidth in this mode is defined. 40Gb for TB, 20Gb for USB, 10Gb for Ethernet, perhaps up to 35Gb for video streams, but I have not seen the USB 4.0 spec, just saw the TB spec. There is also confusion about with TB 3 and TB 4 is. I have referred to an Intel computer that claimed to have TB 4 as TB3 because it didn't have the bandwidth to drive two 4k monitors, which I believe is one of the differences. Intel only connected one stream instead of two, but claimed it was TB 4. They later changed the claim to TB3 as they agreed it needed two streams to really be TB4. I really like your idea of color coding the cables as a main identifier over the symbol. Perhaps you could brush up on TB 3 and 4, along with USB 3.2 and 4.0 that have come out since this video and do an updated one?
You will probably need it to understand it. It says "Universal", but there is nothing universal about it. Every device is going to use a different cable, a different port...
wow, you communicate sooo well. just the info wo the fluff people think is needed in all aspects of communicating. good job. are you from Connecticut, or at least the Northeast lol? me,Ct.
Connecting devices: The final frontier These are the voyages of USB Its 50 year mission To explore strange new worlds To seek out new plugs and new connections To boldly go where no man has gone before It seems the wrong system has won the war of economics.
To Robert Cartier..Yep, Killing the very good Sony Beta-max and the excellent Philips Video-2000!!..and maybe today generation think that me and you are talking Chinese!!
+*Jon Roberts* It was a short-lived cable format used between the dates Feb. 29 and 31, 1942. The connectors were made of used potato chip splinters, and were eventually suspected of having ties with the Communist party, thus falling out of public favor.
firewire is faster than usb 2.0 and was used during the 2000s because of that. usb 3.0 didnt exist yet until like 2010, and usb 2.0 had a max speed of 480Mbps, while firewire could reach speeds 400-800Mbps. so people liked to use firewire because it was faster. the firewire port looks somewhat like a usb port. just look up the port on images and you’ll see
Thank you for the thorough explanation. I had begun to realize there was more and less to this new cable but it made no sense and now I conclude that it will not makes sense but will simply be more complicated. I will have to pay closer attention. That explains why 2 new usb-c cables did not work as expected.
A standard where you can plug in the wrong cable and blow up your new $1000 gizmo. Or with a little luck, it just won't communicate. Or charge. Or it does, but slower than it should. But you can always plug it in, that's what counts. USB-C. What a mess.
No it won't blow up anything unless your cable is defective. The connector can identify the capabilities of the cable even if humans can't see it. The most that will happen is it won't work if the cable lack the capability. Basically they give up the old version of different plugs for different function. And just do multiple funtion on one connector that can be cheaper to mass produce. Overtime as manufacturing become cheaper then it will be cheaper for manufacturer to produce one cable with all the function instead of having different production lines for different function. But for now because it is new it is still expensive to unify everything.
Did you know that the man who invented the USB plug has died. At his funeral, they put his coffin into the ground, lifted it back out, turned it over, and put it back in again. 😁
Very nicely put together. I had general knowledge of what you most talked about. But I had no idea this was such a mess. Thanks for the knowledge. Best, Raphael.
Hey Man, Heads-up byte boy. Had to tell you. I bought a 43" LG. ($ 200 refurb on ebay) and a little 1/2" screen frame from China ($ 130). Silicone glued the frame on TV. Plugged in it's USB and I love my 43" 4K touchscreen. Very happy camper watching Jain right now.
Duh ! I just forgot most of what was said here. I must be getting on in the years. The bottom line was clear though. Not all USB C cables are made equal . Like most people I erroneously presumed they were. Thank you!
Added sources to description.
trolled by ThioJoe
ThioJoe im just glad your makeing real videos now
ThioJoe a
ThioJoe does this come with the LG G5
Right i agree
Outline:
0:42 - _BASIC_ *Specs*
2:29 - _DATA_ *Speeds*
4:03 - _ELECTRICAL_ *Power*
6:18 - _PLUG TYPE_ *Protocols*
Thanks
Thanks!
10:29 😲😲🤣🤣
Thx
_BASIC_
"Universal serial bus"
Has 1000+ different types with different protocols.
OMG! I went shopping a long time ago. I’m 78 yrs old, and when I don’t understand something, (like my husband explaining why an automobile in a movie doesn’t make that sound, doesn’t explode that way, then goes into the most minute details of how an engine is built), I smile, and think about shopping while I nod my head and pretend to listen. So, when I realized I’m doing the same thing…can’t keep up…I went shopping. Thank you, though. I know you’re good and I’ve watched you before.
It’s not easy doing “only” 5 hours of research and then speaking to us as an expert on a subject. It’s one thing to learn something. It’s quite another to understand it so well that you can discuss it and explain it in a condensed and thorough way. Great job. Subscribed years ago when I found your parody vids, and haven’t looked back.
I came here to offer similar praise. Great job, Thio.
TFW universal serial bus isn't universal at all
Hey Thio! :D
ThioJoe TFW using meme speech when outside of your Mongolian cartoons image boards
boi
You should check out the response vid "feed your mind" did on your response to his flat earth vid
ThioJoe ,bro how how to convert .con video format into MP4 plz reply. it's urgent
Its not that complicated.
Things to keep in mind:
1. Transfer Speed (2.0, 3.0, 3.1 Gen1, 3.1 Gen2)
2. Power (Power delivery 2.0 and 3.0)
3. Display protocols (display port and thunderbolt)
4. Mode (active or passive)
Its amazing how USB can support all those protocols in one thin wire. I think USB standard is the best invention on the planet.
USB C > Lightning
type-C is even easier to break, harder to clean or repair, and as impossible to solder by hand as micro HDMI.
Whats the point of speaking that out? Lightning is just a properitary connector that uses USB2 and will only fit in Apple Products; iPods and iPhones for the major part.
While USB C is an universal standard with potentially way more... uhm... anything.
sagich dirdochnicht lighting is a better physical connection. it's design allows it to be more robust . usb c still has the pins floating in the center of the socket . making them prone to bending and breaking.
You got it.
@@Mike-dy8sj / Isn't Ipad pro 2018 similiar as USB C?
Of all that cool functions, but No; don't bend it.
When I was young, engineers worked on simplifying, ergonomics, one size fits all, etc. Now they make things more complicated and call it advanced! When I was young, I could operate the radio and the AC in my car without looking. Modern cars have touchscreens and menus to scroll through to do the same, making you take your eyes off the road. And they call it advanced technology. USB-C would be a great idea if one cable would work on everything, regardless of speed or function - That would be efficient engineering and give a truly advanced product. Right now I use 5 different USB cables for my various devices which all have different connector types. Devices using USB-C cables should be standardized, so your cellphone cable can be used on your digital camera or your external hard drive, your battery charger or whatever. That would be a true technological advance.
Joe thanks for trying to simplify the USB c categories. Like you I think the industry should color code the cables and the jacks. I could quite easily see this turning into a hugely confused area for computer and electronic users. And I thought that USB was supposedly trying to make the connectivity issues simpler to use. I'm reminded of the 1980''s when you had to - 1 set dip switches 2- Use special non-standard drivers 3- manually modify autoexec.bat and config.sys files 4- Use only certain pieces of hardware for alleged compatibility 5- use the same memory speed, manufacturer, and manufacturer run to work together.
This guy gave me trust issues
You don't know whether what he says is true or fake, his channel is filled with useless Mumbo-Jumbo so I'm not sure on what to believe in
Abdalrahman wael lmao
Abdalrahman wael maybe if you actually read the description you'd know if it's real or fake
he lies alot like getting free internet and turning a 1080p tv in to 4k i dont trust him
He is making fake video in the past, in order togainview and subs. but he is now changed to do real technical videos and giving real information.
This was very helpful! Unfortunately, the specification is disappointing for the reasons you mentioned. Trying to diagnose incompatibilities, especially for non-technical people is going to be frustrating. Like many people, I was looking forward to the benefits of the physical change, but I think this makes things worse. It would be nice if one of the device ends informed the user about the cable's capabilities or incompatibilities once plugged in.
I appreciate you sharing this. I thought I had the latest USB options on my laptop but alas NOT! You saved me from buying a laptop dock that clearly wouldn't have worked. Thank you!
Very good, no junk background music (noise), you spoke clearly and concise. Remarkable nowadays.
This video, the explanation of the Samsung exploding battery video, and many other long ones are probably boring and too long for a large part of the audience to watch, but we really have to appreciate the amount of work joe puts into making these videos, all that time you're learning something new. 5 hours of research, you deserve more views and money! Great work!
Most of us find them interesting actually.
I didn’t find it boring at all..
1. 36 different competing standards
2. *makes new standard to unify them all*
3. Now, 37 different competing standards
LOL 😂
The only gripe I have is in the discussion of power, you completely ignored the different VOLTAGES that the USB-C / Power Delivery supports. It's not just about the Amperage. For example, you mention "3A, 60W up to 5A, 100W." Well, the other side of it is the voltage. If the charger only supports 5 Volts, the absolute maximum power output would be 25W, because 5V * 5A = 25W. And some USB-C cables support higher voltages than others.
My dad knows this stuff too. So USB C has high speed data transfer. That’s USB C 3.0. I looked up the info, and this is what Google’s AI told me. “USB-C cable can support USB 2.0 speeds, meaning you can find USB-C connectors that only transfer data at the standard USB 2.0 rate of 480 Mbps; essentially, a "USB-C 2.0" cable exists and is primarily used for charging and basic data transfer with slower speeds compared to newer USB-C standards like USB 3.2 or USB 4.0”.
Excellent video! Clear video and audio, short yet complete, to the point, illustrative, future proof, aware of realistic situations, suggesting solutions, preventing confusion. Other youtubers (and ebayers!!) should learn from this form and content.
Color was a good idea: display USB C = Red, black = standard transfer, blue = high speed USB 3.1 Gen 2, 100W power = green, and ones that support multiple of those have multiples colors like half and half and 1/3 of it is each color
Thank you for making this interesting!!❤❤❤
USB-C is actually very simple.The transdimentional hyperlink helps discombobulate the cubed electrons which are stuck in stasis.Once the thin layer of crystal threaded fibers have their molecules aligned (which obviously keep the angulous in balance with the triangulouscalculational front end) the data and power can do their thang.Or some shit.
Rriiiiiggghhhht?!
Finally a simple explanation,, thank you 😉
Lol
Remembering of course to carry the 1
Robert Whitley🤣
Thank you this Most informative video. I have just upgraded my cell phone to Galaxy S9, so I am new to this cable. You explain this plug and power options Very well with plain language, Very thoroughly. I am not sure what these other guys are taking about, but you come across likable and honest. Thank you.
I still don't trust any of his videos because of the parody videos he used to make
surfie007 same 😂😂😂
surfie007 lmfao tell me why i was jus thinkin the same damn thing like wow he did 2+hours of research for this vid jus for me to be like um lmao i cant fkn tell if ur serious or jus playin😂
Exactly
He stopped that
Wait wat he do?
Omg! I am 3years late to know this!!! This is the only video who explained it clearly. Thnx 😎
I'm totally impressed with the high standard in preparing your clips - mainly the smart balance between giving a comprehensive idea about the subject in hand and maintaining the entertaining aspect.
Expecting you very soon to having PhD in IT filed :)
I'm a tech guy and research everything unto pain has been endured. You saved me from that so I thank you, great presentation and it was too dumbed down for proficient and tech-historic folk. Keep up the good work, I'm going to check out more of your videos now.
As a nerd; the insane variation already makes my head hurt; I can't imagine how someone like my wife who doesn't give a crap; would ever navigate any of this..
She would get you to do it, and call you an idiot if you did it wrong.
@@philipwebb960 totally true lmao
She would just use the cable that came with her phone or tablet. And if it breakas its your fault and must go find a replacement.
Haha I'm a wife and this is how I do my research thru UA-cam, got my man the Arctic gaming head phones cause of UA-cam (and Abit of research)
@@marykay8587, so... you're kind of a nerd as well, like the OP. Your gender (wife) is irrelevant.
Thanks a million ! Just spent over an hour on the phone and gent said it wouldn't matter. Had to double check and found your site., and obviously it does matter !!
I have been trying to figure out the right way to connect my type c usb. Thanks
I have tbe same problem
What? You no longer have to worry which way the plug is oriented. What "right way" are you talking about?
OMG thank you for explaining the A,B,C and 2.0, 3.0 etc. I thought I was going crazy trying to understand it all, and you just explained it all in one sentence.
Well done for getting all that information spoken at once so quickly I was impressed! Even reading that lot out from a proper auto-cue would be a major exercise!
It's been more than 5 years since this video was released and the usb standard specs is only becoming more confusing.
USB-C with Thunderbolt 3 is very amazing :)
Wanna use a external gpu? USB-C
Wanna use a fast monitor? USB-C
Wanna charge ur device? USB-C
Or all together? USB-C
(All USB-C with Thunderbolt 3)
Nice job on this on this video. Very clear audio, nice graphics, good pace. Excellent. thank you.
usb-c can be use to charge laptop?
Some laptops usually ultra books
Red Sola Yes. It can charge a MacBook Pro.
And my 92W HP Spectre x360!
yes, it will charge but depends on the adapter you use.
And on the MacBook Pro, it is the only way to charge the MacBook Pros.
I just switched from a laptop plus monitor set up that I punched about 11 years ago. It was still very functional and all usb A plugs. The new version of the same set up is all usb c so in buying all new cable/plug inventory I ensured every item could transmit 10 gbs, handle at least 65 watts and have braided cables. I didn’t want any cables or plugs that couldn’t do everything. I checked it all and seems good. The Studio display comes with a Thunderbolt cable to connect the M2 Air so I’m sticking to that for the all important data/power link in one cable. I do use a projector for teaching which needs hdmi so I purchased a cable specifically built to connect Usbc to hdmi. This video was very helpful. Thanks.
10:30 in is what earned you the like 😂😂😂😂
Gonna have to watch this again! 😳 Oh and brilliant video btw!
Thanks for the breakdown! I was hopeful about this new standard, but also skeptical. It's a shame...
Robert Dodson i know, very informative
This video is completely ironic and parody
This was incredibly helpful 🙏🏽
4:13
I suspect that the lower power specification on the mini-USB cable is because there were no devices requiring more power than that using that particular connector.
Much thanks for an excellent presentation regarding a very complex issue.
The worst thing is that most of these cables aren't marked, you can't know what it supports etc.
Also sellers get rekt AF as well...
Arek R. It is 3.0 mine was written
It's true, but in the end you'll notice the difference between a good and a bad one
If you are using power signals coming out of the computer to deliver signals to components outside of the computer, that is to perform a function in the real world, every part of the output signal must be correct or you risk destroying expensive hardware components or performing incorrect functions that could ultimately have dire physical consequences.
The greater the number of wires in the connector, the greater the chance of making a mistake!
@@monday6740 Maybe, but possibly not!
Good summary of a complicated issue. Thanks.
What an unholy mess. Thanks for the heads up
John Thornley I know, right? Not gonna use USB-C until USB micro-B, USB mini-B and USB-B go extinct.
Backintheday USB was designed to eliminate and supercede parallel ports by going to serial configuration and thus greatly reducing the number of wires needed to perform a function. With USB-C, etc by adding additional wires, the number of choices again sky rockets and the possibility of error is compounded. Greater speed in and of itself means nothing if the wrong functions are being performed.
With all these complexities, I'm glad my phone and computer still uses the regular USB.
bangs head on table repeatedly. Its hard enough to explain the differences between between usb, thunderbolt etc to customers already.
This is going to be a retailer nightmare....
Saw a lot of videos trying to figure out USB-C, Thunderbolt 3 and the mess around it. Your video was the most informative one. Thanks a lot!
Thank you, very informative. Thanks for research and effort you put in this video. I'm quite new the whole thing.
No this is all correct
Hello sir
I am from Iran.
I can alittle speak&read&writhe English.Thank you very very very much for you're teach.
You are a very very good teacher.Excellent.
Flick off
So @ThioJoe, this video has been very helpful to all those who are using USB C Cables. Honestly, I agree with you that consumers will be just plain confused because of all the different types of power and speed capabilities, not to mention protocols. Anyhow, Seeing that this is such a well put video, did you happen to find any cables that actually support the "best" or most looked features? (I mean ideally, one would want a USB type C cable that is 3.1 Gen 2 [I.e. Full Featured] with USB PD and cables with desired protocols? (like for example, one that has the correct protocol for Hdmi)?
This is a very bright kid. I'm learning tons from him. Thanx Thio.
I lost my train of thought after the first 5 minutes 💀 I'm dead
Thank you for explaining this. I knew different cables would not work with different peripherals, but not why. This video cleared that up for me!
so you actually decided to do real videos instead of making me look like a complete idiot trying to get faster internet with a stick of bubble gum and a penny
+ Scott King - 🤣😂🤣
My biggest gripe with these new "standards" is that it makes self-repair significantly more difficult. Used to be that a laptop charging cable was super easy to fix. Nowadays? Not a chance.. Buy an entirely new charger.. But of course, that's the point of this new "standard". Increased complexity == more $$$ for big tech.
Joe do you use Phillips hue for the background lighting?
randotaf Yh. he is rich af
Wow, I had no idea. I haven't watched your channel in quite a while. Nothing against you, just distracted with other stuff. I need to get back to show with Thio Joe! Very informative video for one of the "regular" Joes. Thank you.
🤔Is this video real or fake? Where's the aluminum foil & bubble gum for me to connect it with? 🤣😂🤣
Wow, this is the most accurate video on this subject I have seen. I have been really frustrated with the confusion which is not helped with other You-Tubers doing videos to explain it, but really giving wrong information.
There is an Alternate mode for Ethernet and Intel has a Driver for their Thunderbolt chip to pass 10GbE packets over the cable when in TB mode.
From what I understand, the TB Host Controller sends a packet (perhaps at power up) in USB Mode to the attached Device to see if it is a TB Device Controller. If not, then the TB Host Controller switches off and passes the USB and all Alternate Mode packets across untouched.
But if the Device has a TB chip, then the cable switches into TB mode and USB and other USB Alternate Mode defined packets are sent over the TB mode
TB has defined Daisy Chain support of up to 6 devices, so there can be a Type-C connector on a TB Device to continue to forward packets onto if the device doesn't consume them locally. This include splitting out the USB and USB Alternate Mode packets and forwarding them to local HDMI, DP, USB connectors on the TB Device, but they are still forwarded.
For instance, if a TB Device has a DP port, you can connect a monitor to it and drive video from the TB Device, but still using the Alt-DP mode (although we might claim validly or not that the DP packet was forwarded in TB Mode), subsequently, we can have another TB Device with a DP connector daisy-chained from the first and drive a 2nd monitor from it.
Of course the total number of monitors that can be attached can be significantly more than the Display Controller (GPU) has Video Streams and so only that many can be active.
I once connected 15 screens to a computer that only supported 4, so while Windows showed me 15 monitors, when I enabled one, it disabled another.
Anyway, digression.
Also, for the most part, the USB Spec Revision is what we say, USB 2.0, 3.0, 3.1, 3.2 and upcoming 4.0, which is the revision of the spec and has nothing to do with the connector or speed. That is why a USB 3.0 connector is renamed to USB 3.1 Gen 1, then to USB 3.2 Gen 1, and soon USB 4.0 Gen 1 even though the computer is the same one for the last 5 years. You alluded to this better than anyone else I have found, but it could be fleshed out a bit more with 4.0 coming.
With USB 4.0 (which is essentially non-Intel regulated Thunderbolt), the bandwidth in this mode is defined. 40Gb for TB, 20Gb for USB, 10Gb for Ethernet, perhaps up to 35Gb for video streams, but I have not seen the USB 4.0 spec, just saw the TB spec.
There is also confusion about with TB 3 and TB 4 is. I have referred to an Intel computer that claimed to have TB 4 as TB3 because it didn't have the bandwidth to drive two 4k monitors, which I believe is one of the differences. Intel only connected one stream instead of two, but claimed it was TB 4. They later changed the claim to TB3 as they agreed it needed two streams to really be TB4.
I really like your idea of color coding the cables as a main identifier over the symbol.
Perhaps you could brush up on TB 3 and 4, along with USB 3.2 and 4.0 that have come out since this video and do an updated one?
Harvard is offering a PhD in USB C cable management. I am joining.
You will probably need it to understand it. It says "Universal", but there is nothing universal about it. Every device is going to use a different cable, a different port...
Awesome job explaining a complicated topic!
It's an inverted lightning cable.
serious and helpful as instructive. Thanks Joe!
what about thunderbolt 3 via usb type c?
Thunderbolt3 is standerd. If something is thunderbolt3 complient, it just works. Like how everything using lightning just works.
wow, you communicate sooo well. just the info wo the fluff people think is needed in all aspects of communicating. good job. are you from Connecticut, or at least the Northeast lol? me,Ct.
Connecting devices: The final frontier
These are the voyages of USB
Its 50 year mission
To explore strange new worlds
To seek out new plugs and new connections
To boldly go where no man has gone before
It seems the wrong system has won the war of economics.
Yep, it's VHS all over again! lol
To Robert Cartier..Yep, Killing the very good Sony Beta-max and the excellent Philips Video-2000!!..and maybe today generation think that me and you are talking Chinese!!
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LOL
Yeah, let's not bring up 8-track tapes and vinyl records or we'll be labeled archeologists!
LOL!
LOL! Yep, I still have those too! Whoa... I really AM old! ;-)
This vid is solid, actually saving this for reference
whats firewire
+*Jon Roberts*
It was a short-lived cable format used between the dates Feb. 29 and 31, 1942. The connectors were made of used potato chip splinters, and were eventually suspected of having ties with the Communist party, thus falling out of public favor.
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But potatoe chip splinters? that sounds useless. and why communist connection?
+*Jon Roberts*
You'd really like me to give you that information, wouldn't you?
It was a cable format used from 2000-2008. It was kinda like a old version of Thunderbolt.
firewire is faster than usb 2.0 and was used during the 2000s because of that. usb 3.0 didnt exist yet until like 2010, and usb 2.0 had a max speed of 480Mbps, while firewire could reach speeds 400-800Mbps. so people liked to use firewire because it was faster. the firewire port looks somewhat like a usb port. just look up the port on images and you’ll see
Thank you for the thorough explanation. I had begun to realize there was more and less to this new cable but it made no sense and now I conclude that it will not makes sense but will simply be more complicated. I will have to pay closer attention. That explains why 2 new usb-c cables did not work as expected.
A standard where you can plug in the wrong cable and blow up your new $1000 gizmo. Or with a little luck, it just won't communicate. Or charge. Or it does, but slower than it should. But you can always plug it in, that's what counts. USB-C. What a mess.
No it won't blow up anything unless your cable is defective. The connector can identify the capabilities of the cable even if humans can't see it. The most that will happen is it won't work if the cable lack the capability. Basically they give up the old version of different plugs for different function. And just do multiple funtion on one connector that can be cheaper to mass produce. Overtime as manufacturing become cheaper then it will be cheaper for manufacturer to produce one cable with all the function instead of having different production lines for different function. But for now because it is new it is still expensive to unify everything.
Thanks ThioJoe! That's a ton of research and boiling down for all of us! Much appreciated
I wished I never see this video
More confused than before
Cant people let other people happy with their ignorance
Hahahahaha!😆✌
Me too.. Sooooo many numbers.
Very useful -- discouraging, but useful!
My head hurts, joking, I build computers, but man, WTF lol
Why
Every vid I watch is Quite Informative THANKYOU :) :)
You look exactly like this guy I know. LOL
Did you know that the man who invented the USB plug has died.
At his funeral, they put his coffin into the ground, lifted it back out, turned it over, and put it back in again. 😁
what about usb1.0 on usb c
Very nicely put together. I had general knowledge of what you most talked about. But I had no idea this was such a mess. Thanks for the knowledge. Best, Raphael.
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Hey Man, Heads-up byte boy. Had to tell you. I bought a 43" LG. ($ 200 refurb on ebay) and a little 1/2" screen frame from China ($ 130). Silicone glued the frame on TV. Plugged in it's USB and I love my 43" 4K touchscreen. Very happy camper watching Jain right now.
Jesus Christ.....just give me a damn cable and cord
What?
Great info, thanks Joe!
God i am so confused right now
Type c is ruining my life
You're all overthinking it.
Thanks for the info to clear things up!
I'm now more confused.
Worthful. Great research
OMG, now my head hurts! 😣
Duh ! I just forgot most of what was said here. I must be getting on in the years.
The bottom line was clear though.
Not all USB C cables are made equal . Like most people I erroneously presumed they were.
Thank you!
5 hours.... ok
SVENDINVÄN doesn't mean at once could be seperate
It would still be 1000 times more research than other people do
Thank you for this information, this information was very helpful. Am old school thanks.
You've been able to confuse the confused!
😅😅🤣😂🤣
Awesome video 👍
But can it run Crysis?
thxx dude now I know what and how to buy and use USB TypeC!!!!!!
everyone here: first
me:
first
Another very interesting video, thank you for putting in all the work for us Joe.
this guy is a fucking synth