The real reason cheese is yellow
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- Опубліковано 9 жов 2024
- Cheese is yellow, milk is white. What’s going on here?
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While making a grilled cheese the other day, a question popped into my mind: Why is cheese often yellow even though milk is white? Of course, this isn’t entirely true across the (cheese)board - cheese comes in a remarkable range of colors, from pale white to deep yellow-orange. Take cheddar, for instance - it can be found in both shades. So which color is the "real" cheese?
To unravel this mystery, I sat down with Paul Kindstedt, former president of the American Dairy Science Association and a professor emeritus at the University of Vermont. Our conversation spanned over an hour, delving into the fascinating history of cheese, its evolving colors, and the marketing influences that have shaped our perceptions.
In the latest Vox video, we dive into it all, shedding light on the surprising connections between color, culture, and the art of cheesemaking - all in less than seven minutes.
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Title: “Why cheese is yellow”
Video intro: “Why cheese is orange”
Intentional mistakes to increase engagement in the comments seems to be working well.
Seriously!
@@EveryCrazyDayYou got a good point and I know that works
It's both!
@@EveryCrazyDayit's not a mistake if it's intentional
4:06
To save money, they used SAFFRON???! What? Isn't it like one of the most expensive spices?
I assume like how lobster used to be peasant food!
Yeah, that seems weird to me aswell, maybe yellow cheese was way more expensive back then and even adding Saffron was profitable.
We use saffron in our food, and it actually gives off a very strong color. A tiny bit-as in a few-perhaps a dozen-strands-could dye 2-4 people's portions of rice really yellow. so yes it's very expensive, but at the same time, also not as inaccessible as one would assume
@@Stellanmushroom yea, I use it too (kashmiri) and that's why I was shocked. Cause with the prices it's like flaky gold
bruh, i'll take grassfed saffron cheese any time of the day over naturally yellow "spring grass" cheese
Me, a french woman, who literally ate white cheese 20 mn ago : "what in the devil are they talking about ?"
I don't think it would matter if you had cheese 2 days prior instead.
American, dyed cheese
Some french cheeses use annatto for coloring. SInce you are from Lyon, have you ever questioned why Brebirousse d'Argental is so orange from the outside?
J'sais, c'est trop bizarre! Les Américains et leur fromage orange fluo à saveur de nettoyant à plancher hahaha
J'suis Québécois, et le seul fromage orange ici c'est celui qui arrive des États-Unis (en tranches, pour les cheese-burgers). Notre fromage québécois est blanc aussi mdr
The devil is in the details and in this case the devil is red and goes by the name "Annatto" 😆
Grew up in the UK, where cheddar cheese originated (Cheddar in Somerset). It's always been white to me. The idea of it being seen as yellow/orange by default is bizarre to me.
White or very pale yellow is normal to me. If it's darker I tend to think it's bad.
If you ask the average American, they’ll say cheddar originated in Wisconsin 😂
Tell an American that something did not originate in the US and they'll fight you :)
Same here. The only cheese that I think of as orange is Red Leicester lol
I dont think American proccessed cheese should be in the category as real cheese
It legally isn’t in the US 😂
There was a chemist on youtube that made American cheese on a video and he clearly explains IT IS real cheese.
Cheese is a processed food, always has been. So it doesn't matter how you process it as long as you end up with cheese by using cheese raw materials.
The healthiness of industrial processed cheese is a whole other story though, as food additives can all have consequences.
"Cheese"
@SomeDudeSomewhere
I think that was NileRed, or at least he did a video about it too.
Just about every food is processed. Doesn't matter where you live or what you eat, every food has to go through some sort of process (often referred to as a recipe). Sure you can raw fruit and veg but most people are going to eat real food and real food requires following a process.
I love these types of videos. It's the sort of video you read the title of, you tilt your head and you go: "huh...". I had never thought of it. Keeping curiosity alive.
For millions of years, people have been eating the meat of animals. Every day, in butchers, markets, restaurants, factories and other places, the meat of an incredible number of animals is slaughtered, sold, cooked and eaten. Despite this, the number of animals does not decrease even a little. Allah Almighty's kindness to people is infinite. Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds.
People spend hours on everything in 24 hours. They spend hours watching movies, watching series, watching football, playing games, social networks, reading books, walking, meeting friends and everything else. However, they do not take 10 minutes to worship the Almighty Allah, who created from nothing and gives all his blessings without reciprocation. They do not praise Almighty Allah by prostrating themselves.
Me too. Finally not a pro-Ha*as Video
In the UK, we don't expect cheddar to be orange. We expect the pale yellow.
When I moved from the UK to the US, one of the things that surprised me was how brightly coloured the cheddar was!
@@サンゴ礁Scleractinian Yeah we have coloured cheddar (orange) as well as normal (white), both taste the same though coloured has the natural food colouring annatto to make orange. So some of us in the UK must to some extent expect it to be orange for them to make it so..
Orange if it is Red Leicester 😄
ok good for you. now what
@@bonedido My point was, in the video, it was made out that cheddar was supposed to look orange. Maybe in America, no idea. But not in the UK.
If someone is curious about it, "annatto" is called "urucum" in Brazilian Portuguese (from the transliteration of the Tupi word "uru'ku", meaning red). It's used to add color to food all over the country.
If someone is NOT interested, my bad. 😅
Same here, in Spanish it's "achiote" (the word comes from nahuatl, and it's use is very traditional). And I can't believe this is what they have been using for making cheese yellow!
@@gandreoliva, cool! Tks. I had no idea either...
Thank you for filling in the blanks. I am now slightly more intelligent...
This whole video is so American
Exactly, i would never want an orange cheese 😂
@@jrmichaelaupers if you actually watched the video you'd know they've been dying cheese since the 1400's. hardly a phenomenon exclusive to or started in America. the whole reason they were dying cheese orange was because higher quality spring-time cheese was more orange. which again, you'd know if you watched the video.
@@Benlucky13 he didnt say it started in Murica.
the USA is fairly known for their excessive dying of cheese, post-popularity.
The irony of using saffron in order to scam the market is just too much.
For millions of years, people have been eating the meat of animals. Every day, in butchers, markets, restaurants, factories and other places, the meat of an incredible number of animals is slaughtered, sold, cooked and eaten. Despite this, the number of animals does not decrease even a little. Allah Almighty's kindness to people is infinite. Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds.
People spend hours on everything in 24 hours. They spend hours watching movies, watching series, watching football, playing games, social networks, reading books, walking, meeting friends and everything else. However, they do not take 10 minutes to worship the Almighty Allah, who created from nothing and gives all his blessings without reciprocation. They do not praise Almighty Allah by prostrating themselves.
People been eating millions of years? Lolol please
@@motherlandmars5999 tell that to the dodo lol
@@normalchannel2185 i think he's saying "god provides enough for you and if he doesnt give you enough food, he plans for you to starve for his glory" ...it's like people read scripture without cultural context and make whole books and even lifestyles in that misconception. T - T
i think the one that used saffron probably boasted about having ~Saffron Cheese~
2:15 sponsor skip
Yes
Idk, yellow is my favorite color so cool, although as someone who grew in a farming area, I was always acostumed to see and eat “white” cheese
For millions of years, people have been eating the meat of animals. Every day, in butchers, markets, restaurants, factories and other places, the meat of an incredible number of animals is slaughtered, sold, cooked and eaten. Despite this, the number of animals does not decrease even a little. Allah Almighty's kindness to people is infinite. Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds.
People spend hours on everything in 24 hours. They spend hours watching movies, watching series, watching football, playing games, social networks, reading books, walking, meeting friends and everything else. However, they do not take 10 minutes to worship the Almighty Allah, who created from nothing and gives all his blessings without reciprocation. They do not praise Almighty Allah by prostrating themselves.
please learn how to use the period symbol as well.
As a French it hurts seeing the only cheese mentioned in this video are Cheddar Cheshire and Gouda…
As a half French I love Come on bear it's my favourite
Because it's a video made in the States for the US market, and mimolette doesn't show up often in the supermarkets in the States, lol
Well, I don't think they wanted the video to run for three hours.
Brie tastes like cardboard...
@@Betweoxwitegan then you never tasted real Brie
I mean most of the cheese we eat in Europe is white. This yellowness seems to be specific to how American cheese is made.
I don't think that's true. Overwhelming majority of cheeses I see here are yellow. (🇳🇱)
@@perhapsyes2493 Counterpoint: The Netherlands doesn't exist, it's a psy-op created by Big Bicycle to convince you that cycling isn't completely lame. Have you ever heard the Dutch language? No one can convince me that that Simlish language wasn't created by an intern during their 6 week summer work experience period.
For millions of years, people have been eating the meat of animals. Every day, in butchers, markets, restaurants, factories and other places, the meat of an incredible number of animals is slaughtered, sold, cooked and eaten. Despite this, the number of animals does not decrease even a little. Allah Almighty's kindness to people is infinite. Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds.
People spend hours on everything in 24 hours. They spend hours watching movies, watching series, watching football, playing games, social networks, reading books, walking, meeting friends and everything else. However, they do not take 10 minutes to worship the Almighty Allah, who created from nothing and gives all his blessings without reciprocation. They do not praise Almighty Allah by prostrating themselves.
Eating during the ad is an innovative time-saving technique. Since we both know I'm fast-forwarding through the ad anyway, it's a win win
American cheese is more orange
that is not even cheese.
As is the criminal felon running for President.
Something about the colour orange attracts the gullible.
Some presidential candidates too.
@@the0ne809 it literally is cheese with some sodium-citrate. it's melty cheddar.
Blessed are the cheesemakers
As a Canadian I'd always thought that Cheddar was orange.
It came as a bit of a surprise that it was always yellow or white in Australia.
I was surprised as well as someone from the U.S. who lived in London. But I was pleasantly surprised because I had never liked cheddar until I tried the white version
And that explains why the time we accidentally made butter it was white. I was a dairy farm kid and one day the compressor for the bulk tank cooling system failed just after we finished the evening milking. The mechanical agitator kept running for hours because the thermostat was calling for cooling and the result was a small amount of butter...and several hundred gallons of milk that we had to dump because it had risen above the safe holding temperature.
Food coloring basically to meet expectations. A lot of processed foods use food coloring. Red meat is typically not red either, it looks more grey, but is exposed to carbon monoxide to make it red.
For millions of years, people have been eating the meat of animals. Every day, in butchers, markets, restaurants, factories and other places, the meat of an incredible number of animals is slaughtered, sold, cooked and eaten. Despite this, the number of animals does not decrease even a little. Allah Almighty's kindness to people is infinite. Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds.
People spend hours on everything in 24 hours. They spend hours watching movies, watching series, watching football, playing games, social networks, reading books, walking, meeting friends and everything else. However, they do not take 10 minutes to worship the Almighty Allah, who created from nothing and gives all his blessings without reciprocation. They do not praise Almighty Allah by prostrating themselves.
Meanwhile, my cheese is blue.
You left it out too long.
Stilton is so popular here
This is why I'm confused every time I ask for cheddar, sometimes it's this color at this restaurant and then some other times it's another at another place.
6 min video with a 1.5 min ad. Wow Vox has fallen from grace
they need to eat too. those high quality videos take a lot of workforce to make.
@@bitzlibutzli1004 They have over 12 million subscribers. That's a lot of UA-cam money.
I have to imagine that a cheesemonger's business card would have holes in it, so it looks like a slice of swiss cheese.
Actually quite fascinating that changing the colour of cheese is a 5-600 year old tradition. Humans want to be deceived.
I'm so thankful to hear another living soul pronounce Gouda (more) correctly. I first heard about it when I was in high school German class, so naturally, my teacher switched between the phlegm-filled true pronunciation and the Anglicized "gow-duh". However, most Americans say "goo-guh". I've had so many people "correct" me with their ignorance over the course of the last 20 years. 🙃
There is no one correct pronunciation of anything. Languages and words evolve along with societies and it's up to a society to decide how to use borrowed words.
@@artem.epifanov I understand and agree with your point in a broader sense, especially as it works to temper the classist, racialization of speech. Language is both what facilitates socialization and a cultural product. However, in this case, there definitely is a correct way to pronounce the name of a city in the Netherlands if you are to pay respect to their heritage. A stronger case could also be made for Emmental being reduced to "swiss cheese" in the States ( and in doing so, leaving no room to acknowledge the true skill and diversity of Swiss cheese making). Moreover, I am aware that this is a function of ignorance and linguistic drift rather than one of malice, it's just nice to catch a tip of the hat sometimes.
Finally, it would also be nice to not suffer constant "correction" over it. You forgot to acknowledge that while you were browbeating me. 🤙🏾
Did anyone else have some sort of video about cheese (I think?) interrupt their advertisement?
👀"that is one vascular udder by the way?"
I know right??
It's almost concerning 😅
paul makes such a delightful interview. the passion is real, and he makes it contagious.
The US is so bizarre
I hate that foods are dyed but at least these dyes are not toxic. 🤷
Probably should not have included the end portion about raw milk cheese.
Appears to have been an uptick in people talking about the benefits of raw milk , but it isn’t safe to consume. the risk of getting ill from it for little to no difference when compared to pasteurize milk is too great
Aged raw milk cheeses are ordinarily safe and completely legal in the US.
I want to listen to the yellow shirted cheese man more. Very interesting story.
This could be just 1 min long
"That is one vascular udder by the way"
Why'd he say it like that 😂
Here in New Zealand the cheese is mostly yellow, but apparently there is no dye in it. How do they do it? Seems like by having grass fed cows and not skimming off the cream.
There is no orange cheese here that I've seen.
No orange cheddar, you mean
@@Kausan1 TRUE
The real question is why milk is white when grass is green!? 😂
When living in the US for a bit, American cheese always seemed more colored to me than Dutch cheese.
Vox makes a video about cheese colours interesting, that's cool thanks
Why not use turmeric?
Las year I visited Cheddar in the UK and was surprised by the fact that the traditional cheese was pale yellow or white. It was so delicious
The only cheese I find in our local grocery store in the Philippines is "processed cheese food". The one at the fridge is beyond my paygrade.
Because i ❤ the yellow color. Only.
Annatto is used as colorant in Filipino and Mexican cooking.
i always think i'm watching Al Madrigal when u narrate Vox
Didn’t watch the video yet; my guess is that the USA adds an ungodly amount of food coloring and conservatives.
Edit: Guess I was wrong! Although I was right about food coloring, the practice described is very widespread.
This seems to mostly be an American thing if its so common across the Atlantic like the video says. I checked my European supermarket's (biggest in the country) cheese section and only 1 cheese product, besides the plastic American cheese (which isn't even in the cheese section here) had it, out of 30+, which is a pre-grated cheese, which are always full of random other products to prevent them from sticking etc.
That "cheese" on the thumbnail has to do with cheese as much as my backhair with a bungee rope!
That hilarious considering American Processed Cheese are the embodiment of yellow cheese while in Europe, most cheese are white
Cause it sells better. That's why. Most yellow cheeses have good coloring added to make it more yellow/orange.
Incredible that they used saffron to colour dairy when it is so laborious comparatively.
Reminds me of how most people think eggs are supposed to be bright white.
Whoever made this video has clearly never had Swiss or Mozzarella cheese
yo the random Nas sample is fire lol
I don’t think the Americanisation of the cheese colouring is talked about. I’ve barely ever seen orange cheese unless it’s labelled American Cheese
If my Brie, Danbo, or Samsø cheese become a strong orange, I'll be very concerned
Getting that Johnny Harris cadence at the beginning, I see.
“How do I had the fact that I’m cheating out on my cheese? I know! I’ll put saffron in it!”
You missed a very important step, cows eat grass then have to be artificially impregnated to begin lactation, they don't just produce milk for no reason, like every other mammal they produce milk for their offspring.
I buy white Cabot cheddar at the store and it seems that white cheddar is being treated as 'luxurious' in some ways lately. Like, its subtle, but its always referred to as the good cheddar. Which.....it is, but its not cos of the color. Cabot is just a good brand lol. But people will buy non Cabot white cheddar and call it the good cheese just cos it looks like Cabot.
Watching this as a swiss-french person is hilarious
Cheese isn't all yellow. Cheshire. Wendlesydale. Mascapone. Mozzarella. All white.
As a Swiss, this video is very confusing. Cheese is supposed to be somewhere between white to pale yellow.
Will they make a video talking about why the grass is green?
Yellow cheddar is standard here in the UK, the orange stuff looks weird.
... don't eat during your membership ad if you don't want me to skip it???
Eh, I enjoyed the ad
Light coloured cheese looks healthier
Is marketing another word for legal lies?
I wonder if carrot-dyed cheese “returns” the carotene into the cheese. If so, I’d rather eat carrot-dyed cheese over annato.
Raw milk cheese... people are really trying to win a Darwin award lately.
It’s time we get rid of tartrazine and bring back annatto.
in the U.K. never seen annato in the cheese ingredients 🧐
Imagine being a renowned cheese expert and pronouncing Gouda wrong 🤣
Imagine only being able to leave "Imagine" comments.
UK'er here - Cheddar over here is typically white or slighly off-white although you can get red cheddar, but it's not very common. Also, red Cheshire? That's just an abomination, it should be very white!
I wonder if annato has lead...
use the power of the internet to find it out
Ah the Dutch, scamming their customers since colonial times.
The worst part of it all: we are really proud of it as well! ;)
Even VT Cabot has yellow options, or orange, or whatever. I’m colorblind.
"it's not colored" - PHRASING!
Almost no cheese is yellow in Italy. I wonder why.
Next video: The real reason the Vox logo is yellow
2 minutes of adverts for a 6 minutes capsule...
Was doing the add while eating the best idea? came out a bit off to me.
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It's spelled with double Ds.
If you really want to make cheese from scratch first you have to create a universe 😂
Is that sponsored by the dairy industry?
They're know to sneak in everywhere. 😏
As a French, cheddar is not the best cheese out there
I'm so glad to live in France where we have natural cheese and much better food. It seems that everything Americans eat is processed food
"blessed are the cheesemakers"
the microphone not really good / sorry for feedback other than that great video as always
As a swiss, I'm confused
🎶 We are creeps, we are weirdooos 🎶
Wow, I always thought that the orange around Muenster was wax, apparently it's just a spice.
Cheese is best product for me esp at breakfast.
1:34 Best cut ever 😂
Why this video when y'all can explain why world hunger isn't possible
"Europe was getting really wealthy"
No surprise given that our entire food system revolves around optics and taste rather than health and nutrition.
I love Cheeeeeese! Any cheese. All cheese. Mild, Sharp… I don’t think I’d care what color it was except Green 😂❤
1/6th of this video is talking about joining a membership to make more quality videos mmmkay
imagine paying for Vox premium lol why does everything have a subscription now