FIRST TIME WATCHING: Hunger Games Mockingjay part 2...this is the end
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Katniss’ meltdown when prims cat appeared was perfectly done. Going from hating the cat because she only saw it as another mouth to feed, then seeing it as a part of Prim when she hugged him was done really well
I cried. Just so well done
That scene always wrecks me. So gut-wrenching.
poor cat
Thats The calmest cat that ever fucking existed 😂 we all know that cat would peace out the second she started throwing stuff
@@elite_rock_god2292 bro my cats would’ve attacked me😂
...the saddest part is that she just wanted to protect her sister 😭😭😭💔
this all started bcs she wanted to protect her sister but it also progressed to something so much bigger than just protecting her sister, even tho it ended with her sister dying.
the most heart breaking scene was in the end when she cried and screamed at the cat and saying “prim is dead” that got me💔
In the book Katniss explains why she choose Peeta "That what I need to survive is not Gale's fire, kindled with rage and hatred. I have plenty of fire myself. What I need is the dandelion in the spring. The bright yellow that means rebirth instead of destruction. The promise that life can go on, no matter how bad our losses. That it can be good again. And only Peeta can give me that. So after, when he whispers, "You love me. Real or not real?" I tell him, "Real.
I connect that with the dandelion she saw after her dad passed away. In the first book, she mentions that Peeta burns bread for her and they have their first meal in a long time. Then the next day, she sees a dandelion and it’s what gives her hope for the first time since her dads death.
"Sometimes killing's not personal." -Gale
Super easy to say for someone who wasn't in the hunger games.
Killing is extremely personal for Katniss BECAUSE of that trauma.
I always felt so bad that peeta had to play “real or not real” for the rest of his life because of what the capital did. And was heartbroken with what happened to primm💔
“it gets a bit tedious at times, but there are worse games to play”
Susan Collins ripped my 11 year old heart out and stomped on it with prim and finnick’s death 😭✋🏾
11 damn!!!
@@whitenoisereacts oh yeah real trust issues with authors after that😂
I’ll never forgive her for killing Finnick
The fact that gale was partly to blame for prim's death makes it hurt that much more I was quite fond of gale before
You better never read a Stephen King book. Especially not Duma Key.
me at 10: *crying over finnick & prim’s death in the book and movie*
me at 17: *crying over finnick & prim’s death in a reaction*
37 here. Still ugly crying.
22 here after binging all the movies in 2 days for like the 4th time and still crying about 6 times in every one of these movies.
LITERALLY SAME
23 here still not believing they both died in the end omg
Coin gets shot
Ninetail: understandable have a nice day
FREAKING THIS lmao
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I feel like Gale is the male version of Katniss, while Peeta is refreshing. Katniss has the typically masculine attributes of a character (strong, reserved) and Peeta has the typically feminine attributes (social skills, creative, kindness). I just love this trope subversion. Also, as much as killing someone is terrible, i just can't blame him for losing control and accidentally killing a team mate. He would never have done it conciously , he had clearly lost control and was still in the progress of unprogramming himself.
YES!! Which is why it’s kinda a proof of opposites attract and why because Gale is too much like Katniss, they don’t work in the end
You excuse him killing and trying to kill/hurt ppl on many occasions as merely "progress of unprogramming" really.... You cant overlook the fact that he murdered someone by pleading that he was kind before or he was something else before (GALE said that he would gladly take the bullet instead of being the capitols slave and recording those propaganda vids) , just cant look at him as an innocent guy, dilly dallying so if she couldn't have married him for that ,that's not the point anyway according to me , he should have been treated completely before being thrown in with "the star squad" to do what exactly , show ppl hes now with the rebellion I think that the rebellion's members would want his head before any explanation (Remember how blood thirsty everyone was and how pres. snow was publicly lynched ). Plutarch said that he was weaponized by the capitol so....... Poor thinking on coins part to just let him leave , but To the main point if he was allowed to leave the hospital then technically he was "cured" to the best of medical sciences ability hence the Mental issue you stated doesn't hold , he "killed" in cold blood he wasn't threatened and not once but on multiple occasions he tried to cause harm or kill ppl around him , one case may state : maybe he "relapsed" or something hmm... if that was true would you want to have kids with such a man , would you like to sleep on the same bed where he could just "relapse" and kill you with a pillow?? the neurosis or psychosis which Peeta endured is tragic indeed and deserves empathy , a care center not just letting him free to just live his life.. his mental damage wasn't a choice but his actions may as well be .. as I said he was technically "cured" but was not cured ...in the modern world too there are cases of psychosis even after treating in hospitals such patients are shifted to care centers to placate them not left out to do god knows what . Point of matter is that there were better options to choose from than Peeta and Gale. Katniss deserves better Peta was too far gone according to me.
@@dmplayz5039 have you read the books? Cause the trap is what triggered him to kill the team mate. Like it was said in the movie, peeta was released by Coin in the hope he would get Katniss killed, he was not recovered at all. Because he is damaged you think he should have spent his life in a institute?! That’s ableism at its best. If you have read the books, you know Katniss and Peeta were incredibly damaged and both had serious PTSD and they spent their life together trying to heal themselves. They did it together, and that’s a beautiful kind of love. Gale was all anger and destruction, nothing Katniss needed.
@@yassy02 ya , read the books , I think he should spend enough time in a Institute till he's well enough that he doesnt choke catnip or do anything preposterous , how can he kill his teammate because of a trap? It's not his trap what are you trying to say?? that teammate neither triggered the trap nor set it up... He did nothing to provoke Peeta , he should be angry at the Capitol rather by your logic because the trap was set up by his master's , if he was not well enough do you think coin had the impudence to just let him go and Plutarch sit by?
@@dmplayz5039 he was hijacked for god sake. It doesn’t exist in the real world, he became a mutation, he doesn’t have any will power, saying he did it on his own will is stupid, he didn’t choose to hurt or kill anyone. He didn’t choose to be released either. Blaming a victime of torture and brainwashing is stupid. Coin is not good, she wanted Katniss dead, that’s why she sent Peeta.
Never liked Gale, as hot as Hemsworth is, nope, especially in the books. And I was so relieved she chose Peeta, the sweet and caring Peeta, the Boy with the 🍞. After all this nightmare she needed peace to finally live. It felt so right.
"That what I need to survive is not Gale's fire, kindled with rage and hatred. I have plenty of fire myself. What I need is the dandelion in the spring. The bright yellow that means rebirth instead of destruction. The promise that life can go on, no matter how bad our losses. That it can be good again. And only Peeta can give me that." ❤
Yeah I agree. But I think he’s a good contrast fir peeta and a well done character
YES! plus gale’s kinda the reason Prim’s
dead😳
my favorite quote from the books ever
Yeah, I thought Gale was too much like her, just not in the way that she needed too. I liked Gale as a character and if this was a story of pure revenge at any cost, I think he would have been the better pick. But it's not and I'm glad that she's afforded peace afterwards and that Peeta's arc is redemption. If anyone can survive being injected with pure hatred, it's him. He is what she needed to be able to go on.
I feel like book didn't even give Gale chance to be actual part of this love triangle. Movies keep it more secretive, but in books after first part there was no way Katniss would end up with Gale. The only question was if she would stay with mentally unstable Peeta or go her own way.
Honestly, I never thought that there was really a love triangle in the series. I'll be saying from the books perpective mainly: right from the start of one of the first things that Katsniss says about Gale is that she doesn't have any love interest in him. She even clears out that she does feel jealous about him sometimes, but because he is a valuable hunting partner, and considering that she's been through starvation that's comprehensible. The times in the next books that she demonstrates any romantic interest in him were not genuine at all, even Gale notices that she only kisses him when he is suffering. Basically she feels sorry for him because it wasn't a mutual romance, but since she cares so much about him she even tries to pretend that he is the one. But we all know that's not true, even him. So I never belived for one second that she had feelings for both of them, for me she always loved Gale as a brother, while Peeta was the one she could share her life with.
My thoughts exactly!
37:45 "finnick didn't die for this, lets get it together" lmao i love it how the entire fandom will never get over finnick's death
Me who still hasnt gotten over Cinna
I think Gale would have never understand what Katniss went through in the hunger games, and that’s why Peeta feels the right choice for her. They can support each other and try to live again after all the horror. This is one of the things I like the most about the end of the story, there’s so much trauma and it’s so real. In other movies or books the main characters lives so many bad things and at the end they are just so happy like nothing happened.
Peeta was brainwashed and turned into a weapon and he killed an innocent person as he was having one of his episodes... Gale wasnt not brainwashed and killed a bunch of INNOCENT children and Katniss´ little sister and some others from their own team. The difference is Gale was okay with colateral victims, while Peeta (in his right mind) would have never kill anyone innocent.
Exactly. At the end of the day, gale invented those bombs and he knew he will use it to kill people. Even if prim wasn't there, it was still a bad look. Katniss was against the idea too
Exactly! AND he was willing to bury everyone from district 2 in that mountain including civilians, who had nothing to do with district 12 annihilation as well as there probably being children too.
@@anelmukusheva7449 what gale did was no different than the carnage that happened to district 12. The districts shouldve been banded together all districts just because district two wqs closer to the capital does not justify gale's revenge
@@quasi8180 I was not trying to diminish what the district two did, and I’m sorry if it came across that way :) I was generally saying why Gale was a vengeful and win-at-all-costs kind of person and that the children and the other people who have not participated neither in planning nor execution of the bombing should suffer the consequences of that horrible act towards district 12
@@anelmukusheva7449 oh i know I was just giving my two cents about my thoughts on gale
Here's a Little Fun Fact: Katniss and Peeta's children are actually Jennifer Lawrence's nephews.
But that baby is Asian and I can't be swayed against that ahah
@@__megs__5407 that baby isn’t Asian, that is her baby nephew Theodore Lawrence. He’s even credited in the casting along with his older brother Bear.
@@janeandle yeah but Theo plays a girl because in the books they had a boy and a girl.
@@magaencina2863 yeah, I know that. I also know the girl is supposed to be older like seven years old while the boy is to be about around Bear’s age. but they didn’t do that. They used her nephews instead.
@@janeandle because they still look pretty young and I guess it was more natural and Theo really looks like Jen--- we never knew their kids names right?
gale was too consumed with war and hate, it corrupted him, and even if it wasnt intentional he caused prims death, and that is something katniss (or anyone) couldn’t look pass
You mean "couldn't", right?
@@erikperhs_ yes thank you!!
Katniss couldn’t bc it was never about revolution for her - she’s a survivalist end keeping her family alive was always her first and utmost priority.
She’s basically like the average parent - and the average parent is 100% concerned about their offspring/dependents - NOT the world. Most parents are willing to suffer with injustice so long as their family is safe. Though Prim is her sister it's obvious who the parent is in the home - Katniss is the hunter and the provider, and she takes care of her weak mother and her sister as a mom would.
But everyone isn’t like that. Some people are willing to risk it all - especially when they have nothing left. Gale isn’t the enemy. He’s a fighter and he has nothing to lose. He’s not bad he’s just not like Katniss.
I always saw Peeta and Gale as a metaphor for peace and war. Gale wants to fight for what's right and sometimes it doesn't matter to him what it takes to destroy the system. Peeta was pushed into everything just like Katniss, he never wanted to be in the revolution and he didn't even think that he would survive the first games. Katniss has a bit of both of them inside her, that's why she goes from one to the other depending on how she feels. In the end, after so much suffering, she realizes that she needs peace and someone to show her that life is still beautiful, that's why she stays with Peeta when she could've stayed by herself in district 12. If she had stayed with Gale, she would remember what happened to Prim every time she would look at his face. I think it's a great ending. She never wanted the revolution to happen, she just wanted her sister safe and she failed, but life goes on.
Great reactions guys! Can't wait to see what you watch next :) Love from Argentina
Her acting when she sees Buttercup (prims cat) is unreal. It’s the most raw pain I’ve ever seen portrayed on film. The feeling when someone dies and are never coming back. I cry EVERY time I see it.
Edit: typo
I second that. The only thing I can think of comparing it to right now is 'Lean on Pete'.
When Movie Gale said that "even if they're mopping the floor they are helping the enemy." Tell that to the unlucky few who tried to escape, got capture, had their tongue removed and force to serve the Capitol. Does it still not matter that they are victims and should be cut down along with the enemy? "They're still helping the enemy." At that point you're just another tyrant to replace the old one in their eyes. #TeamPeeta
#teamKatniss - both of them (Gale and Peeta) were broken by war - Katniss I feel like should have not end with anyone, maybe someone new instead.
@@mjm3091 Why? She's happy with Peeta. He's the only one who experienced the same situations as she did.
@@erikperhs_ at the same time they both hurt each other a lot, it would potentially be healthier for them to actually find someone else.
Gale generally seems to think the ends justify the means, always, he's totally willing to kill his own medics and children to make sure he wins. His way doesn't end the conflict in the end, it'd escalate it further and further until everyone is dead. His way goes all the way to nuclear warfare and an empty earth.
@@mjm3091
The thing is, though, they are BOTH irrevocably mentally and psychologically scarred for life. They deserve love just as everyone does, however, any chances of them finding love in another person outside of the other would be astronomically low due to their experiences.
Sure, you could make the case that that's not always the case and people with heavy mental baggage and damage can still find happiness with other (normal) people; however, with Katniss and Peeta, they wouldn't be able to function normally as they used to without each other after the amount of trauma they went through and without tons and TONS of therapy over the years. (Let's not forget she tried to kill herself almost immediately with a nightlock pill when she was alone after she assassinated Coin.)
Katniss herself even stated that Peeta was the only thing now that gives her stability, happiness, and hope for the future after all that has happened (very much including Prim's death).
Honestly my memory of the movie is a little hazy but one thing that was sad (on top of prim and finnick) was that Peeta’s initial fear in the first book/movie was losing himself bc of the capital’s influence and that’s exactly what happened in the end. He wasn’t totally gone gone but he had to spent the rest of his life having people reassure him if certain things going on around him were real or illusions. He wasn’t ever whole again and I think that’s why Katniss and Peeta work well. They are what the other needs.
As to Peta killing the soldier, in the books it was accidental. The soldier was trying to control Peeta during an episode and Peeta threw him off and he was caught in the net then the black stuff came...Peeta's fault but not intentional as the movie portrayed.
Imagine how awkward it would be if Katniss missed the shot at Coin
😂😂😂😂
she would've swallowed the pill🤣
“Guys you know we sacrificed some awesome people... Finnick... not gonna name any names, Finnick.”
made me laugh sm😂
one of my realizations near the end was remembering katniss saying she’d never bring a child into their world and at the end when there is finally peace, she brought two =“]
Oh that’s so cool!!!
As a matter of fact, in the books, Katniss wasn't gonna shoot Coin. It took her till the very last second to realize she actually should shoot her. It was a last moment decision. Having her thoughts in the books is very fascinating, to be able to witness her changing her mind.
I feel like it was her plan all along, as soon as Coin revealed herself at the victor's meeting. Hence why she grabbed the night lock pill. She knew something was going to go down. I feel as if that hesitation she had when she stared down Snow was her mentally preparing for what was going to happen.
@@MRauTObt You're right. She was planning to kill Coin since that meeting.
@@MRauTObt yes, I think the movie gave us more clues, but that's not how I felt while reading the book.
@@MRauTObt yes and the very reason she voted "yes" to the hunger games. Katniss would never want another hunger games. She wanted Coin to trust her. She even said "for Prim" when she agreed to it. I knew immediately she was somehow going to try to kill Coin.
@@markbell4982 she said "for Prim" and looked Coin right in the 👁👁
The tunnels part gave me creeps on the books, the fact that Peeta whispers Katniss name together with the mutts and how he knows they want to kill her is so terrifying and sad, cuz you can see how deep the Capitol tortures went.
the fact that it all started from her wanting to protect Prim. She also hated Prims cat. But in the end, Prim ended up being murdered and the damn cat surviving all.
Oh the irony
I find it interesting how much you guys discussed and struggled with accepting Peeta bc he killed one person (after he was tortured for months, had his memories changed, and basically lost his ability to know what was a real threat and what wasn’t) but you never discussed the fact that Gale literally created a 2 pronged attack plan to be used not only on innocent civilians but then a second blast to be deployed on those people that were trying to help those injured by the first attack.
That weapon was his idea, his brainchild, he may not have pulled the trigger per say at that moment, but his character was the visionary behind that weapon and its brutality... the deaths it caused are just as much his as they are Coins.
I guess I just found it interesting that you didn’t feel as passionate about that as you did Peeta.
The biggest difference between Katniss and Gale was that even in war and battle Katniss did not lose her humanity, whereas Gale’s hatred for the capitol stole away his humanity and in the end he played an integral part in killing someone who he had promised to protect. There was no going back after that.
I mean we kinda did if u watch the end. It’s why I’m happy peeta ended up with Katniss
As you said, Gale didn't pulled the trigger, so I really think that in the movies his connection with Prim's death wasn't that evident, in a way that the book captured it better, while Peeta's actions where very explicit graphicaly speaking, so I guess it's not their fault that they waren't impacted as much.
@@biaaraujo472 But the dude said he read the books and still didn’t feel that way lol
@@anozyra And? I know he read the books and that he thinks different, I just disagree and I'm expressing a different point of view.
Probably extreme, but were I to have any authority in that universe, I'd have those involved tried and jailed, and the one responsible hung. It's a fitting punishment for that bs, there's rebellion, and then there's using human lives for your revenge. That is and always will be inexcusable as a figure for a new Panem.
I’ll leave this quote from the book where Katniss explains why she chose Peeta over Gale.
“But his arms are there to comfort me, and eventually his lips. On the night I feel that thing again, the hunger that overtook me on the beach, I know this would have happened anyway. That what I need to survive is not Gale's fire, kindled with rage and hatred. I have plenty of fire myself. What I need is the dandelion in the spring. The bright yellow that means rebirth instead of destruction. The promise that life can go on, no matter how bad our losses. That it can be good again. And only Peeta can give me that. So after, when he whispers, "You love me. Real or not real?" I tell him "Real.”
In your end discussion you guys were saying how the team member Peeta killed was someone's dad or brother but Gale was literally willing to kill hundreds of civilians who aren't even soldiers for the capital when those people have families too; they're also innocent. If you believe when Gale says "sometimes killing isn't personal" then it needs to be applied to Peeta especially when he's been tortured unlike Gale.
Also: I don't know if you guys noticed but I thought it was genius that Coin's name is Coin since she's too faced.
No because with Peeta it literally was personal. He himself killed someone. Has made a weapon used in war, or led an attack
@@whitenoisereacts Yes, he personally killed someone but you don't have to kill someone with your hands to be responsible for their death. Just like Gale's double attack plan was the cause of Prim's death. In my opinion, he's just as responsible as Coin for her death and it seemed Katniss thought so too.
@@whitenoisereacts Also, the only reason Peeta killed someone was because he was tortured and made into a weapon. That's way more understandable than Gale's attitude towards killing civilians.
@@misroilova Obviously Peeta is the better person at the end of it all. I just think it's completely unfair to paint Gale as the bad guy by the end of it. He's not like Coin or anyone like that because he isn't corrupt. He didn't order the bombs there. He is still responsible, but I don't think it's fair to say he is as bad as Coin or Snow. He was striving to do what was right, they didn't care about what was right.
@@misroilova Gale's home was literally grounded - which he may have even seen being done. His mentality is the same of Americans being ok with destroying Middle East. It isn't objectively right, but it is ok for some.
as a huge peeta/katniss shipper, that "you love me. real or not real?" line just has so many layers and always hits me so hard. the fact that peeta was tortured and will suffer from this for the rest of his life - all because he did love katniss, and because she loved him. and the fact that their "love" WASNT real at the beginning, it all started as a lie. its just so good.
I said something similar at the end of the last one, but...
Peeta (HG1): "I don't want them to change me... make me something I'm not... I wish there was some way I could show them I'm not just another piece in their game."
Capitol: 2:48
Interesting everyone sees Katniss loss, gale attitude and everything else but peeta lost his whole family and a part of himself and people see him as a throw away.
You guys arguing about killing Peeta or leaving him behind... you just aren't fully grasping it. Yes, he's a hindrance to the mission, but at the same time purposefully killing him for the "end game" would go against everything Katniss is fighting for. Why should she succumb to what Snow or Coin wants? In such a bleak world, compassion, loyalty and comradery are more powerful than the ruthlessness needed for war. If Katniss becomes some calculating, cold weapon, she wouldn't be the current symbol of hope.
what id give to see these movies for the first time again...
Right??
haha this was me watching them for the first time but now i cant go back and have that experience again
Peeta was tortured until he lost his mind. I would save him, even after he pushed that guy. He doesn't know any better. He thinks anyone who is with Katniss is "evil"
I found it pretty cold y'all considered how they should've killed or left Peeta behind. It never even occurred to me to not try to save him. He's clearly a victim and not in control of himself. Not to mention how many times they've hit the watcher/reader over the head with the fact that Katniss literally needs Peeta to live a life worth living (especially after losing her sister). I don't know. It just really bothered me. lol Maybe I missed something. I'm someone who also read the books by the way.
Honestly this series is a story about the trauma of violence, the horror of war and the role the media/politics plays in both. It's thinly disguised as a love triangle. In the books, Katniss is clear that choosing between Peeta and Gale is not her priority and she has so many other things on her mind. In the end, Gale represented war and Peeta represented peace. Katniss chose peace.
I always liked Peeta better than Gale. In a lot of YA books that I've read, the guys that most female leads swoon for are the arrogant jerks who have anger management issues. It's like the 'oh if I teach him how to love, he won't need a therapist' type that I hated the most.
But when I read the Hunger Games, Peeta was such a welcoming surprise that I love him immediately. He was kind, compassionate and gentle. He compliments Katniss' personality and he is someone she needs, rather than Gale's fiery rage.
I hate Gale. I can't stand him. Least favorite character. At least the bad guys made good villains. He was willing to forfeit all morality for the cause, even though it meant hurting innocents. He ended up being no better than his enemies. Plus he was so selfish the way he treated Katniss. He wanted her to love him, but she was going through way more serious things. He held grudges against her for doing what she needed to to survive.
Also Coin dying, oh soooooo satisfying.
In the books she was given only 1 arrow. She only had 1 chance to get coin out in the open defenseless. Snow was a dead man anyway, so Katniss was like "oh what the hell" 🤷♀️😂🙈
the whole trilogy started off with katniss wanting to protect prim- her death is HEARTBREAKING
One of my favorite things about The Hunger Games is that it just shows that in war, nobody ever wins. This whole series started from Katniss volunteering to try to save her sister and in the end what happened?
"it is well that war is terrible, lest we grow too fond of it." - Robert E. Lee. I feel many men who lead grow fond of reaping the benefits of wars when they never face the tragedy themselves
not you guys hating on peeta 😭😭😭😭😭
But finish it lol. We don’t at the end, it’s just in the moment
@@whitenoisereacts yeah I just finished it sorry lol peeta went through so much I’m just really glad he had the ending he deserved
One of the most satisfying, heartbreaking finales OF ALL TIME
Years later and I'm still enraged about Finnicks death. Anne was pregnant!!!!!!! Ahahahahahsjdud8e
Same!!!! Everything was going so well for him and Annie too-- they finally had each other back after so much trauma and so much forced separation, only to have their happy ending be so abruptly ripped away FOR GOOD. ToT
i think the moment between gale and peeta is an odd moment. like gale is calling it truce with peeta and knows katniss will "pick whoever she cant survive without", except he clearly think she'll pick him. as well, he may be "civil" with peeta and okay with katniss picking him, but on the other hand neither katniss or peeta are even thinking about it. i like gale as a character and think he's a great one, but i dislike him as a person because he's TOO serious about his relationship with katniss when shes clearly not thinking about it at all, plus his bloodthirst
Idk, I think that moment is super well done. It shows u that I do think actually cares about Katniss and is at least a little aware of how silly this love triangle is in the midst of actual warfare. Also I don’t think he at all knows who she’s gonna pick
Personally when I read the books I felt like Katniss was actually into Peeta from the second book due to them being in the games together and him helping her to sleep in the midst's of trauma. She really admired him as a person as well and he had everything she lacked. I felt like she needed him. And Peeta's character was a lot better in the books though he was good in the movies too. If I'd watched the movies without reading the books maybe I would have liked Gale more especially in the first one since well . . . Hemsworth is super hot.
Anyway I really felt like the war was so much and Katniss never wanted any of this. She was not invested in the love triangle at all so in the books (Book 2 mostly) I felt like Gale was a little bit annoying trying to be with her and getting kind of upset when she never really showed romantic interest in him. Peeta on the other hand at least had reason to believe she was into him and was a bit more warranted in his hurt feelings of her not reciprocating his love initially. From the second book she had really seemed to need Peeta and as Gale said Katniss would pick who she could not survive without. She and Gale had a lot of similar traits and when I read the books I finished feeling like he somehow inadvertently caused Prim's death. And the whole point of this was to protect Prim. That was the reason Katniss entered the games and it was all she wanted. The literal only thing she wanted. Revolution be damned. And even though it obviously was not Gale's fault there was no way he could come back from that in my head.
God I sobbed right through reading Finnick's death. I reread the section over and over again to see if I somehow misread and he didn't actually die. It was heartbreaking. He'd just gotten MARRIED for Gad's sake! And then I was INCONSOLABLE when Prim died. My fourteen year old self was destroyed. It was so much worse than Rue's death and I had stayed up in the dark crying over that for hours.
Coin is the main and the real villain in Hunger Games... Coin actually plan this... He watched Snow and Katniss from the beginning and played like a fool
Not really really she has been one of the villains - Snow have chosen bad route since years before. He had ability to stop the games and close experience with the games as well. Coin was a bitch, really petty, but in the end I think she believed that she was doing right. She would switch the violence from districts to the people of the capitol. But she was one of the victims of the system. What Katniss gave her was actually a salvation from the crimes she could have done, if she stayed a President.
Still Hurts Finnick's death, everytime that one of You said "Finnick is My Best character" I was like: You gonna suffer (like me) 💔
the lovetriangle in hunger games is PERFECT. its so well nuanced, and its not a romance story. its a story about revolution, with romance in it. peeta and gale symbolize so much more than just two guys that love katniss. peeta is the soft and kind light in a dark world, the hope that life can go on, even from the first interaction when he gave her bread while she was starving. gale is a protector, always aiming for survival and for vengeance/justice. gale and katniss grew close because he protected her and her family, when she was hungry for vengeance and survival. staying with gale is like staying with her past, which she wants to forget all about. after the war, when she no longer has to worry about surviving, but living, she chooses peeta because he is her reminder that life goes on.
While it's true that war doesn't really have right or wrong answers, I cannot ever side with Gale on his views of war. He always saw Peeta as a traitor or a rival, and believed people are worth sacrificing for the greater good much like the Hunger Games. A great quote from the book that sums up Katniss's decision is "That what I need to survive is not Gale's fire, kindled with rage and hatred. I have plenty of fire myself. What I need is the dandelion in the spring. The bright yellow that means rebirth instead of destruction. The promise that life can go on, no matter how bad our losses. That it can be good again. And only Peeta can give me that."
I love your guy's review of my favorite series!
Katniss and Peeta weren't even adults yet, they're 17 years old.
One (non-spoiler) detail I like from the prequel novel is Snow's self-awareness to being somewhat obsessive, and how controlling things makes him feel more at ease. Excerpt: _"The shirt. The shirt. His mind could fixate on a problem like that - anything, really - and not let go. As if controlling one element of his world would keep him from ruin. It was a bad habit that blinded him to other things that could harm him. A tendency toward obsession was hardwired into his brain and would likely be his undoing if he couldn't learn to outsmart it."_ (BoSaS p.7) This personality inclination, plus the story that ensues in the prequel, is what really explains his intimate conflict with Katniss as an opposing and uncontrollable spirit. And ultimately was his undoing what with overestimating Katniss/underestimating the rebels and Coin.
Like you guys said, I also appreciate how they ended this love triangle. Collins made it more philosophically based than *Katniss: "oop well one's dead I guess I'll take the other one then"* lol.
Also what they didn't mention in the films which you may have remembered from reading the books is that Katniss and Peeta, besides painting, baking, and hunting, they waited ten or fifteen years before having kids, they still suffered from ptsd by that point (especially Peeta), and they founded a new medicine/pharmaceutical production facility, thus re-building the foundation for a new District 12. The Capitol tourist attractions of the past Hunger Games arenas were also stripped down, and memorials for the fallen tributes/victor victims were set up in place of each one.
Edit: The remaining victors vote scene showed the obvious nays: Beetee, Annie, and Peeta, the obvious yay with Enobaria the last D.2 career tribute who is trying to get on the winning side's good side, a gray yay with Johanna who became spitefully sociopathic, and Katniss and Haymitch who only agreed in order to gain favor with and kill Coin because of her now obvious corruption.
I would say sorry for the long comment again, but it has sort of become a tradition by now :p thanks for covering this series, I'm glad that more people are starting to recognize it these days!
I'm pretty sure Johanna actually voted only because Katniss did - she knew something was up.
@@mjm3091 In both the movie and the Mockingjay book Johanna votes immediately after Peeta and Annie, triggered/annoyed when Annie mentions how Finnick probably would have voted. I quickly re-visited that chapter and all the dialogue is surprisingly very accurate/the same. Yes she could have been playing her own game like with Haymitch and Katniss at the end, but I believe she truly wanted revenge on the Capitol's people, sadly, because I love Johanna.
@@stephenmccarthy2517 I might not remember right, but I thought the decision to shoot Coin came to Katniss at the execution? If so, then she didn't vote yes to kill Coin, but what did she vote yes for then? To kill Snow perhaps? I'm somewhat confused about this since I can't seem to recall, and could be wrong about this xD.
@@ruud9761 Snow was already a dead man walking. If not the rebels, then the loss of his rich Healthcare that keeps him alive from the many poisons he took.
While Coin was surrounded everywhere by loyal D13 supporters, her power and influence growing every second. . Katniss had only 1 chance to get her to trust she's no threat to her rule. So she said YES, and looked Coin right in the eyes and said "for Prim" as in "you killed my sister, prepare to die". She decided to kill Coin in the meeting. That's why she took the pill with her. She wouldn't need that if her target was an old dying man already sentenced for execution.
I wish they had found a way to keep one of the most bittersweet and impactfull lines:
"My children, who don't know they're playing in a graveyard"
// Katniss Everdeen
Everyone Who read the book knows why She choose Peeta
Fun fact: Katniss was the one who said "Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the 76th Hunger Games" in the book, but she immediately tried to play it off as a bad joke because she realized it was making everyone question her mental fitness to remain in combat, which could have compromised her chance to kill Snow herself.
I think Katniss had a plan when she agreed to the hunger games, because she knew that Coin was the one that caused the explosion that killed her sister, she knew that Coin did not like her. Katniss and Haymitch always had a way of communicating that other's didn't understand. The way Haymitch looked at Katniss and only agreed after he looked at her tells me that he knew that she had something in mind. I believe by agreeing to Coin Katniss wanted to gain her trust, because Coin seemed so sure of herself.
Katniss put the night lock pill in her pocket before shooting Snow. Everyone knew she was gonna kill him, so why would she want or need it if she would not get punished for it? I think she knew exactly what she was doing and wanted to take her life after killing Coin.
I absolutely LOVE your passionate talk after the movies have ended. 💗💗💗
That movie really hit me
@@whitenoisereacts if you would like another fucked up dystopia to actually ruin you, I dare you to react to Handmaids Tale. No, I double dare you 😂
@@anycullen21 yes please!
Kinda wish they didn't censor those movies as much. Like they are gruesome, but books were so much more graphic. Like they cut out Peeta's designers who actually were locked in 13 in awful state. It really pushed the idea of how not ideal 13 and Coin were - from the very beginning.
Just to make sure:
Katniss would have never ever honestly voted "Yes" and stood behind those Hunger Games.
That is just not how she is. The movie might not have made it clear enough but one of the reasons why Katniss is the symbol of this revolution is because the people see that she has the right amount of anger and hate but at the same time, despite all the pain she had to go through, she is not like Gale. She can still care. We see that in district two with the nut. The way she ran towards those poor injured and traumatized people who escaped through the tunnel. Her own father died in a mine accident. Gales father too. District 12 is coal. She grew up with this lifestyle and the fear that comes along having loved ones work in the mines. Even Gale worked in the mines as well after he became 18. It is telling that he came up with this plan and Katniss was completely against it. Then came the compromise with the escape tunnel. But even then she could not stand it. Seeing the survivors, understanding their pain, being afraid they will maybe getting shot by "her side" because "an injured animal lashes out". So she ran towards the enemy. In the end, yes someone did fire a bullet at her but not the person she spoke with and everyone saw this fantastic side of her. Even Snow knew right away that Katniss was not only not dead, but more dangerous than ever before because more and more people would join the revolution.
So there is no way Katniss would have stood by, watching innocent good people (and not just people - children) like Snows innocent and nice granddaughter go into the games.
And it is even more brilliant that Haymitsch knows all this about her. He saw all of her actions and emotions. He trusts her. So when she voted "Yes" he knew there must be a damn good reason. So he backed her up. Katniss did it 100% to gain Coins trust. Had Katniss voted "No" Coin most certainly would have not allowed her to kill Snow or even be near her. She saw her as a threat anyway and would be smart enough to know that Katniss would one day question why Snow bombed the children from the capitol. His own people. And then...
But if she voted " Yes". Well, then she must be a Gale persona. And someone like that, with enough blood on her hands after those Games with the Capitol children.... That is someone Coin might be able to control.
This is just sooo soooo sooo well done.
Holy crap! That is such a great explanation; I could never understand why Katniss would vote "yes." I thought her rash decision was due to the heat of the moment / the profound loss of her sister. Even if she did feel that way in the moment, I would like to think she would have regretted her decision in the end. But your explanation makes much more sense.
I think youre the ONLY React channel whose post-reaction analysis i actually enjoy listening to, youre freaking amazing! The Hunger Games saga was the first book series I've read in my life and owns a special location in my soul! The books, as usual, are always better than the movies, but THG films may be, alongside the Harry Potter ones, one of the best book adaptations ever made, they really set an high standard!
Keep up with the videos guys, it was realy nice revisiting The Hunger Games with you two!!
Well it’s actually more than react, it’s review and movie discussions which I love as film lover
Same here. These two are enjoyable to watch & listen to and as an older film lover I am encouraged to see younger people “get it” about film and respect it - and enjoy laughing with it along the way! Very refreshing to see - which is why I subscribed.
The thing about the love triangle in these movies is that it’s not about the love - not really. Katniss having to choose between Gale and Peeta is about choosing what they represent, in the simplest of terms “peace” vs “war”
Gale is about the anger and vengeance, the things you do in war and what it makes of you. He is justified in his actions but in the end, ends up hurting her. Inadvertently or not, he invented the weapons that killed Prim. Meanwhile Peeta, even in this movie when it seems he’s so far gone, is all about healing. Finding peace, growing flowers in ashes, picking up the pieces and putting himself back together as best he can manage.
So in the end, choosing Peeta is not about “which boy will I choose”, it’s about “what do I want, what do I need” and I think that’s what makes the love triangle work - it’s used as a device to convey a message, not just for the sake of having a love triangle.
Two things I really appreciate about the ending in the books that are a little muted but still visible in the movies:
First, neither Katniss nor Peeta make it out of the story wholly unscathed. It is clear that, even years later, they struggle with the aftermath of the games and the rebellion. I don’t think I’ve read another YA novel that let its heroes be that permanently damaged, and I think that adds to the realism and humanity of the story.
Second of all, the fact that Katniss has children. It can be easily disregarded as a typical “and then they got married and had a family and everything was fine” ending, but in the context of this world, it is really significant. In the books, Katniss was adamant, several times, that she would never have children, because of the fear of the reaping and the games. So to show her having kids in the end really drives home the fact that that is no longer true and that the next generation will never have to deal with the horror of the capitol.
How can anyone be Team Gale? He is hawt okay but he never think about others... she called him to run away with his family and Peeta and he was like YIKES HE IS COMMING WITH USS?? NO WAAY.... and then "oh I should have gone". He literally helped kill Prim without knowing because he was biased.
Peeta ALWAYS LOVED HER and didn't cared about she maybe liking Gale... He was like "I can be your friend, you don't have to love me, but you don't have to hate me" while Gale was "You never kissed me like you kissed him blabla"
Gale sucks lmao
I love that they used jennifers real life nephews to play her sons
Not to be THAT person but the nontoxic masculinity in these reactions is everything and I’m so here for it 😁🙌💖👌🔥👏
Not sure what u mean, but it sounds good!! Lol
You must of not been around a lot of dudes
ok, but what is point of this comment though?
@@mjm3091 did you not understand it? It was a compliment
@@jacksonperez5615 actually I have a lot of brothers and 2 sons... not sure if you just didn’t get what I was saying or what haha
6:18 i'm sorry but right here it's where we draw the line
Exactly thank you
God, i just love J-Law’s and Josh’s (Peeta) acting in this movie. Peeta’s going insane and struggling to think straight and then Katniss’ scene with Buttercup. Every actor/actress in these movies did a great job
P.S. I just hate Coin for her decision to send Peeta to the Capitol. The death of that soldier was exactly because of her. Who the hell sends an unstable person to that kind of a place?
It's sad to think that Katniss did everything she could to protect her sister, Prim, only to lose her in the end. The most heartbreaking scene for me, even in the books.
After the author admitted that she regretted killing Finnick, I made my own headcanon where he didn't die and lived with Annie and their son in District 4.
I remember when I first read this series, I switched from team Gale to team Peeta when Gale came up with the delayed explosion idea, because it was part of the downward slope of anger that he'd been on for a while. That suggestion, once I realized he actually meant it, told me he was no longer the good person we knew from the first book. Yes, war is always ugly and no side is ever perfect, but there are some lines you don't cross, and attacking medics in the middle of treating the wounded is one of those lines. If the enemy doesn't respect those lines, then you have to all the more, because there's no point in defeating the enemy if you become just like them along the way. I understood why Gale became so angry and ruthless, but I could no longer get behind him on it, or support him marrying Katniss.
Peeta, on the other hand, made a promise right at the beginning that he wouldn't let the Capital change him and he kept that promise through everything. Even when they messed up his mind so he didn't know what was real and what wasn't, and he ended up killing innocent people because of it, he didn't throw in the towel and surrender to that insanity. He fought his way, step by step, with courage and selflessness, back to the gentleness and kindness he always used to have. He refused to let them turn him into them, which is something that not many characters, in any story, are that committed to.
You guys inspired me to binge all the movies again, and there are two things about this franchise that I feel are underrated: Jennifer Lawrence's acting and the score.
The score perfectly captures EVERY single moment of these movies, whether its the main theme or Katniss singing the Hanging Tree, or even going dead silent during the sewer scene to increase tension. It adds a lot to every scene and is a great example of using music to enhance the story instead of the other way around like so many films do.
Jennifer Lawrence's acting is honestly Oscar level here. Her performance is beyond amazing and makes me cry a TON, from the very beginning when she's volunteering with that pure desperation and fear in her voice, or at the very end when she's screaming at a cat because she doesn't know how else to let her grief out and then hanging onto that cat for dear life because it's her last piece of Prim she can hold.
This trilogy is nothing short of cinematic gold (yes even the last 2 movies) and the franchise as a whole gets a 10/10 from me.
I think that katniss knew that coin was the enemy when the games with capitol children was proposed. I think that the "for prim" gives this away; she knows that coin was responsible for those deaths.
from mockingjay, chapter 29: “Suddenly, I’m thinking of Prim, who was not yet fourteen, not yet old enough to be granted the title of soldier, but somehow working on the front lines. How did such a thing happen? That my sister would have wanted to be there, I have no doubt. That she would be more capable than many older than she is a given. But for all that, someone very high up would have had to approve putting a thirteen-year-old in combat.”
katniss agreeing to the games is to get coin's trust. what would have happened if katniss disagreed and verbally pronounces her disapproval? while haymitch doesn't know why katniss agrees, he trusts her judgement and tells her that he's on her side by saying "I'm with the mockingjay."
“I really like Gale as a character”
People who read the books: 😠😠😠
I read the books. I said I like his character. He’s not the best person, and he’s definitely not as good as Peeta, but I think the idea of a character like him is really cool
I read the books and liked Gale...i still do.
I read the books first and I still like Gale.
The way they ended this movie is a periodic reminder of why this is my favorite franchise of all time.
Siriously, though guys, I'm a little bot disappointed with the lack of psychological understanding.
When you talk about her desicions and motives and patience- remember she is 17 years old, were more or less a slave to the capitol her entire life, and came out barley alive with severe ptsd as a result.
She is now, at age 17, forced into a position that she never wanted, in a war she wanted nothing to do with, and has to watch Snow do his best to harm everyone she ever cared about, just to punish her..
You simply cannot expect her to be rational or balmeing her for not always making smart desicions, just because ju think its reckless.
If you do it just proves that you missed the entire point of the story.
When Mockingjay first came out, a girl in my class started to hysterically cry. Our teacher asked what was wrong and she starts sobbing out that Finnick died. Our teacher was very confused.
Omg…that’s crazy
what you said about it being personal for Snow against Katniss is so true. In the prequel book, you see some of the reasons why Katniss really irks Snow
I just discovered your channel when I was doing a search for
Inglorious Bastards LOL -- and fun fact about MockingJay
Part 2 :
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Plutarch was supposed to read the letter to Katniss
while she was locked up, after killing Coin, but, since
Philip Seymour Hoffman passed away before the
end of filming, they obviously had to change it
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That's why Haymitch read it instead
Gale vs Peeta isn't a very hard decision, guys. Gale is a war criminal, he is proud of killing his enemies. Peeta is a sweet boy who suffered and suffered his whole life and doesn't know what is real anymore.
Just want to say I love Johanna in the books. Her and Katniss really bond in the 3rd book training to become official 13 soldiers, and I loved that.
What i really like about this books and movies is that they depict war very clever and i dare to say, accurate. Like, of course “all is fair in love and war” and you have to make impossible decisions. But still there is always that invisible and thin line what differ you from your opponents. If you win and if your victory is covered in blood of too many innocent people, then what really has changed? What is the difference between you and the ones you have been fighting against? Suzanne Collins did an unbelievably good job creating this story. I always love to come back and rewatch/reread it
The only problem with the movies is that Katniss doesn't get a happy ending in the book. She and Peeta both have severe PTSD, so when Katniss found out she was pregnant she panicked but Peeta convinced her that it was good. They were both horribly scarred and what I actually always loved about the book is that the ending was human and real.
It would be a little hard to convey via film, but the one thing from this book I remember more than the rest is at the very end in the epilogue as Katniss is explaining about the nightmares to the baby is her internal dialogue about remembering that Prim and many others ended up buried in the field her daughter played in (the daughter is the older one in the book, and the son was the baby), but that they didn't need to realize that the field was a mass grave. I just think it's a really beautiful parallel, for lack of better terminology, having this beautiful field that is also simultaneously a mass grave.
Suzanne didn't actually want to make the love triangle this prominent. Gale and Peeta represent two sides in a war. All her work explores the facets of war and Gale and Peeta are two of them, and who Katniss chooses tells us what she is. Also you see, we read/watch through Katniss's pov so we're essentially her and who you pick tells about your mentality and how you might act in such a situation. These themes of humans, war, violence etc are explored much more deeply in the new prequel book. Definitely give it a read
I’ve always taken it as Katniss having a plan to kill Coin. She’s too real to say “for Prim” and not be talking about Coin, who got her killed. The whole series is about her being forced into other people’s plans, and for once, here, she gets to make her own plan, and Haymitch sees it in her eyes, and trusts her. He knows she would never allow another Capitol.
There is no way that Coin would create an execution for Snow and not try to be the face of it. Coin would have to be front and center, and she was too arrogant that she was seen as innocent by Katniss. She underestimated the discernment in Katniss as opposed to blind rage.
I loved the end, with Katniss and Peeta together. It's right and she does need him. Like Lucille Bluth says: "good for her"
It'll never stop my heart from breaking in the last Gale and Katniss scenes tho.
I haven't read the books in so many years, almost nine? But seeing it again here? Literal tears. I know a lot of people don't like him, but he's one of my favorite characters and the way he knows he was part of Prim's death, even if not in a planned or consensual way... the amount of guilt he feels... The actor made a great job in the delivery, because his voice just breaks and you feel the pain.
I've always been good with the finale, but gosh, Gale, baby. I love you hahaha
Genuinely didn't think people who actually liked gale existed🤣 I understand why he was needed for the story but he has always been dislikeable since the very begin to me, it was new to see someone cheering him on for once within the love triangle
Yeah, I've always disliked him.
I adore these series! It's all perfect - the story, the actors, the effects, music, set design... etc. This is the only movie/series/story I watched, that I can not stop thinking about. I mean all these years - I just can not stop thinking about the world of Panem and the Capitol. There is something so real about this world, painfully real... And it's stuck in my mind. You must be the 200th reaction I've seen and you've been awesome! I love your channel!
Well feel free to stick around brother!!
i didnt realize it until now but the whole series of events started bc Katniss wanted to spare her sister from death, and yet it ended with her death anyway.
A detail I always love is the cat represent’s Katniss’s hope- first, she tries to drown it. It always shows back up unwanted, she protects it for Prim, but then prim is gone and what is the point of protecting it now? But despite herself she can’t bring herself to die or kill it. And she lives on.
Sorry long comment incoming. But I wanted to share this very respected fan theory(since it’s never directly said and only hinted at), Prim is like 13 or 14 and in district 13 that isn’t old enough to be a medic in the field but yet we see Prim in the capital helping (you might be wondering how??) well Coin is the only person who could sign off on an order to put prim in the capital before she’s old enough. But why would Coin do that? Coin knew about the bombs that would be dropped and she knew they’d take out the first responders (Prim is a first responder). So Prim dies but why did Coin want that? Coin wanted that firstly to make Katniss agree to the symbolic hunger games bc she would want revenge. However Coin didn’t know about katniss’s conversation with Snow where he hints that it was Coin who called for the order to drop the bombs. So when katniss agrees to the symbolic hunger games it’s only so coin still thinks katniss is on her side (which she’s not since she later kills coin) and haymitch agrees as well bc he realizes katniss had a plan. And secondly Katniss is competition in Coins eyes if killing Prim would break Katniss’s spirit she might not challenge Coin because her mental state is so fragile therefore coin is “getting rid” of someone who might challenge her and keep her in line so she doesn’t become another president snow
Ngl, Suzanne Collin is the QUEEN of heartbreak. I remember reading her other book series (the Underland Chronicles) and she killed off one the best ever characters in the end. Same happened with a bunch of characters in the Hunger Games series, so yeahhhhh. She's literally like *pats book * "let's break some hearts with this bitch"
Damn, that's a title I haven't thought about in ages. I remember the Underland Chronicles being the first ever literature that made me actually feel depressed after reading it. Kind of a shame it never got as much attention as the HG.
I like how much the movies highlight the collective effort of the revolution. So much media portrays a singular hero or small group of people who save the world when in reality, it takes a large group to make real change.
The oppressed become the Oppressors. Katness put an end to that with an arrow.
I don't like that when some books are turned into movies they put in the love triangles. In the book she was never in love with Gale, he was always just a friend to her. He is the one that wanted more and basically used their friendship against her. It was like, love me the way I want you to or lose me as a friend. She just wanted his friendship and support when her world is crashing down around her.
What hurts me most about Finnick's death is his baby, he fought to have a happy life with his family and in the end Annie was left alone with the baby. 💔
Good reaction to THG they should react to LOTR or The Hobbit (these go first) :)
Me at 10: upset with Finnick's death was mad about prims death in the book
me at 14: SOBBED at Finnick's death in the movie and at prims
me at 19: cries during this reaction
Lmao yes. Just YES
This was an amazing ride with you! I really enjoy your commentary and speculations, thank you. Ninetailedbrush looked just so "dead inside" after Prim died😂 but I can't blame him, the ending bit is an emotional rollercoaster. And no other dystopian book could ever compare to this one. It's very mature story, very real and the romance is really not at the forefront. The ending is just perfect - after all this horrible time, Katniss and Peeta really were able to find some happiness, even after they were broken by the Capitol and will never be alright again. It doesn't even matter bc they understand each other. Peeta is her dandelion and all that. You are leaving this movie/book with hope.
I will be forever mad for Finnick dying 😥. And I also loved your happiness about Effie and Haymitch, I love them together too ❤!