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@@charlotteb6898 well normally you would not walk a cat, but since some people do, your point becomes moot. 😊 My point was just that OP's analogy does not work, while using the "dog", but it would work with "cat". So to summerize, the enforcement officers are not enforcement officers, but salesmen/women, where as OP is a special K9 unit while walking his dog. 😁
I've had about 20 of their letters over the past few years and I'm still eagerly awaiting a visit. When they eventually do turn up, I'm not going to be able to contain my excitement!
Apparently they've been threatening to invade my new home to be for the past few years . I just watch UA-cam, not the "lives " I don't wish to be rude when you have several hosts on a live you get people cutting across and talking at the same time ... forget it ! I just stick to streaming and cast it to my TV so I get the whole TV experience 😁😁😁😁
Yes Chilli, how DO they get away with it? Someone in Ofcom or like body is clearly turning a blind eye to this appalling conduct and ‘they’ are supposed to oversee certain organisations to ensure they behave in a reasonable way. Suppose it boils down to what ‘some’ authorities call “reasonable”.
Unfortunately, the law on the Statue books is worded in such a way that gives them the right to get away with it. It is a pathetic law, which in my opinion goes against common law and international law (fundamental right to be treated as innocent until proven guilty is also an international human right under Article 11 of the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights.) This private company, owned by Capita, are treating everyone as guilty under UK law, until they "assess" you as innocent and our politicians won't do anything about it! If I sent letters to MP's telling them they are guilty of murder because that sharp knife in their kitchen COULD be used to murder someone, there would be out-roar and so there should. Just because I own a TV does not mean I am guilty of using it to watch LIVE TV or recording it or using iPlayer!
Has any of these oversight bodies ever done anything for the consumers, you, me and all the little people? They are just a governmental smoke screen in the pockets of the very industries they are suppose to regulate .... but we the unwashed are not suppose to see it, so go away and pay your taxes and stop complaining.
I had a visit. Wasn't in so they left a note. Now another threatening letter addressed to 'The Legal Occupier'. Finally i've had enough. Put on it "Not known at this address. Return to sender " I am not going to tell them I don't have a TV or watch any of that shit. Let them work for the money they aren't going to get from me.
You are correctly licensed because you've researched what license you require. A lot of people don't know whether they need a license and TVL hide the facts so people buy one whether they need it or not. You're doing a good job of educating members of the public Jon, keep it up!!
But Jon, they haven't opened up with the truth. They've opened up by saying, in big bold letters, 'Were giving you 10 days to get correctly licensed', automatically assuming the recipient is breaking the law.
That, my friend is going to be the way of the world in the future. In the New TRUSTLESS Society, we will be assumed guilty & have to prove our Innocence.
What other business has the ability to get away with making such grievous threats... Isn't it about time they were prevented from this aggressive marketing ploy?
Evening Jon, great video. I’ve now had my email to declare ‘no licence needed’ after two licence free years, so I decided to take your advice and ignore it. I’m waiting for my first goon visit with the ring doorbell at the ready and paper shredder😂
Their letters are constant. It's like harassment from an ex. How they keep getting away with their intimidating letters is beyond me. If anyone is in doubt or worried,,take on board all Jon is saying. 👌💚👊
I haven't received anything from them after filling in a license not needed declaration on their site. Took 2 minutes and now I don't have to bother with any of this
Same here, you don't need to put any personal details, example Name "Mr Nobody" be creative I was, email address was the only thing, they sent confirmation and nothing else for 2 years.
Just had mine today. To the occupier . Also I am neither Sir or Madam lol. I have 10 days to respond or ger licenced. I do not need one, I told a goon this a few months ago and I wil never respond to them and these threats, however I can see why some feel scared by this. My housemate and landlord is 60 and I have now convinced him to cancel it from over a year ago as we do not watch anything that requires one. He was one paying out of fear of being in trouble. Shocking behaviour, told him to let me deal with it. Thanks for your videos xx
As always, good video I have never been visited by the goons and I haven't had a licence since 2011, I'm nearly 72 and not afraid thanks to you Mr Chilli
Chilli - got this exact letter today ! Different date though we’ve got until Feb 8th. Been in the property for 7 months now. 2 visits and 6 letters I think maybe 7, they all get shredded after I write below the line. Excellent videos keep up the brilliant work. We are going to stop this scam.
I've been taking your advice for a while now. I've had some very threatening letters, but they're now a source of amusement that I actually enjoy receiving.
They are desperate to sell you a licence. They are concerned about the fall in licence revenue. How much are they wasting on sending these letters that aren't worth the paper they are written on?
I've had umpteen of those as well as the ones with the IN0 number or the one warning of a visit on (or near) a certain date. I've yet to have anybody of the investigators or enforcement/sales officer knocking on my door. I still live in hope that one day they will.
You state that you 'don't condone' people breaking the law and watching broadcast TV without a TVL. Totally agree with you there. But I'd go further and say that I wouldn't condone anyone watching the BBC FULL STOP! The longer people put up with that rubbish, the longer it will exist.
It still amazes me the audacity of the BBC trying to force people into funding a corporation that funded and covered up Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris for decades
If somebody has a Sky subscription that they obviously pay for, and they watch Sky live, why should they have to pay the BBC for that? It's like buying Cornflakes from Tesco, then Asda send you a letter saying you owe them money for it. These people are still perceiving themselves as they were in a bygone era, where they were seen as the be all and end all of broadcasting. Now it's all reality shows and Jermaine Jenas. They should be paying us to watch the shite.
@@SpotlessLeopard Hi. Yes I really liked the part when you said they should pay us to watch their tripe and I agree they should!😂 I don't watch TV and haven't for many months. So I finally decided to cancel the licence but I can say in the last couple of years or maybe 3 years (I forget) there has only been one series that I enjoyed by them so it's not worth it. You're right they'll be getting desperate all the constant cancellations.
@@Nicole-Faith Hiya again. They should definitely be paying us to sit through their rubbish, and money should come out of the telly. 🤣 I got rid of mine in 2016 and I've never regretted it. When I do catch a bit of BBC, because I'm not used to it, it seems to have got a lot worse since I last had a telly. It's like they're talking to children or something. I've had the letters threatening me with enforcement officers and I look at them when I wanna laugh. Never had a visit yet but I hope I do. It'd be good if it was the actual people from their station that knocked on the door. Gary Lineker with his clipboard and I'd trap his ears in the door.🤣
@@SpotlessLeopard Yes it's very harassing as chill con carni channel says and as you point out. Right after cancelling another letter came through saying the usual "are you sure you don't need a licence?". Also the letter says "we might send round officers to check" and in the letter they tried to make it look like watching youtube means you need a licence. They can sod off! Oh yes and Gary Linker is a horrible and annoying person so I wouldn't blame you 😂. After they commisioned that Shamima Bagum podcast I said to myself they are absolutely the worst as far as I'm concerned. It's like you said though if I shop at Tesco then why should I be charged in Asda. It's nutty and infuriating. We all need to put our foot down.
I have had my fourth email regarding payment of TV licence via direct debit, “which can’t be followed through due to the fact we don’t have your updated details”. No, you don’t have that because, I told you I don’t need a TV licence because I DONT watch BBC or BBC I player or any live TV programmes. Catch up TV only NO BBC ever! In fact, I will never watch BBC again, or any live TV. They make my 90 year old parents pay for the crap they call “entertainment “ which is not suitable for 90 year olds anyway! 😮 DISGUSTING 😡
Hang on a minute, if I write to someone demanding that they pay for a service you do not use, and threaten action if they do not pay, that is a criminal offense, that of "Demanding Money With Menaces", a crime that can result, not only in a criminal record, but a serious fine or imprisonment for repeat offenses. So when they call on me, I will video their conversation and then tell them that I have the evidence to arrest them, as a citizen, there and then, followed by calling the police and insisting action be taken! I do not watch any broadcast service, and I do not even watch you tube live streams, as this could be a grey area. Stuff 'em! Keep up the good work. PS As a Radio Amateur, I have a license to transmit TV if I wish! Jim M7BXT
I gave them my address when I rang them up to tell them I didn't want a license and when they asked for my name I said Mr L(egal). Occupier and the person in the call centre never said a word. I also rang the police to report a malicious communication because of the threatening manner of the letters and the police took my report and gave me a crime number but they weren't keen at all...
Brilliantly explained for anyone new to the issue, CJ. I too cannot understand how Crapita are allowed to send such menacing letters and I no longer bother with the no licence needed declaration.
They not , Capita don’t send the letters , they sent directly by the BBCs TV Licence Enforcement through a bulk mailing company based in London , Capita just responsible for the home visit part ,
I found this out years ago as a lodger, the greedy fuckers say if you pay rent for a room you should have a separate licence and are not covered for the whole house . Unbelievable!I will never buy one again, legitimately I dont need one
Had a letter this morning saying as I'd ignored several letters and failed to get licensed, they have no alternative to start an investigation. Wonder what happened to the previous one that was in its' final stages?
Maybe , back in the old days the bbc could justify their licence fee. They owned and maintained the tv transmitters, there were 2, 3 4 then 5 terrestrial channels(if you could pick it up). They made good educational documentaries,, music presentations , drama , comedy... they thought everyone loved sport, they had respected news reporting teams, they had no (very little) competition. These days , the tv and radio transmitters were sold off to private companies as was most of the bbc's technical duties. They have increased their channel numbers but don't have the content for more than a few hours a day, I was disowned as a radio listener a long time ago. They still pay crazy money for televising sport events , and their presenters. They are trying and failing to keep up with pay tv (and all the competition), and the bbc news channels have no credibility and have become part of the governments propaganda machine. As the bbc are now just "customers" of the tv transmitter companies, how can they say we need a tv licence to watch ANY channel live that ISN'T the bbc? They are not the "Broadcasting" company they used to be. Did the licence fee get reduced when the transmitters were sold off?? The licence fee is archaic and irrelevant these days and the bbc should either be funded by adverts or by their government masters.
I've already informed them I do not require a license. If their record keeping is inadequate, the problem is theirs.. The only thing they'll get from knocking on my door are the unnecessary letters I've saved up for them to recycle..
I've been at this address for 23 years now and for most of those years I got my monthly letter imploring me to buy something I simply don't want nor have use for (I discovered my TV works just fine without a licence). They used to be addressed to me personally but after about 5 years they became "To the Legal Occupier". I have never acknowledged any communications nor have I spoken to anyone from TVL but about 10 months ago the letters stopped! Why? I have not got a clue but I'm very happy as it means my bin doesn't fill up so quickly.
I found this on quora that was interesting on the lies tv goons say Some years ago I had a knock at the door and a TV licence inspector knocked on the door to as to see my TV licence. I told him (truthfully) that I did not have one as I did not own a TV. He asked to come inside to have look around to see if I had a TV. I refused. He said he had a right to enter my home for the purpose of verifying whether ot not I had a TV. I asked to see his search warrant He said that he didn’t need one, the right to entry is given when you buy a TV licence. I reminded him I did not have a TV licence. He went away.
according to them you also need a BBC subscription to watch sky news live on youtube... It should be renamed bbc subscription. Not the fake authority of a tv license. It's not a driving license or gun license or whatever else. Its a state enforced BBC subscription. Their logic is like having the government say you need a Netflix subscription because you have the internet.
Oh wow, perhaps we could set-up a GoFundMe page to get you a TV licence in time. Personally, I plan to do something sponsored to raise some funds ... maybe a 'sponsored ignore their letters'? I must have at least 20 of these letters now, all addressed to 'The Occupier' or 'The Legal Occupier'. I have been collecting them for at least 5 years. Oh dear, I must be in trouble ... I'm scared. 🤣
I'm waiting for the river's authority to come round to see if I want a licence to take up fishing, still waiting for them to bombarded me with letters about me taking up fishing, is this not the way government bodies work. Tv licencing can do one, for us there's nothing we want to watch, listen or read from MSM. keep up the good work 👍
Received one of them letters, did not open it and wrote return to sender and posted it back. Last visit I had, informed them that I wasn't interested and their rights of implied access are revoked.
This reminds me of a routine by the late and great Robin Williams... "You cross that line and you die! You crossed it? OK - you cross THAT line and you die! OK - you cross THAT line and you die! You crossed all the lines??! OK - I go home now and sulk! "
My neighbours partner pays the licence fee EVERY year even though he DOES NOT own a TV. 😛🤣 He's so paranoid someone will turn up on his doorstep. Madness!!!
I'd very much like to know the cost of sending these letters. It's not like free fishing on the internet. Royal Mail has a cost? I'd love to see their books as it doesn't really have a good business model for sure,
Cost is 64p per licence and currently 24.468.000 licenses in place . ( source BBC financial information ) Letters are sent directly from TVL by a London based bulk mail company , not by Capita , they only responsible for idiots ,,
iv got my final final warning to pay my newlyn bailiff money for the council tax i owe or they will take more drastic action . so i rang them up told em i wont be paying as im not scared and dont give into being threatened they said i can go to jail if i dont pay i said they need to research it more as no one can go to jail over council tax and he then just hung up . they hate it when u no more than them script readers and take there power away
@@stevegee8010 That is mental. So people pay £312 a year rather than £159 for being able to pay weekly. That's just nuts and don't sound like that should be legal. Sounds like the pre-payment electric meters I used to have when on benefits, biggest rip off going!
Blimey, that's a ball ache trying to ask the question from the BBC. Too many trip points and all I do is listen to radio. Not happy with them wanting to know about me, when they are public and suposed to be transparent? Hummm.
Great tips. I get a threatening letter addressed to Legal Occupier on average per fortnight. I've had threats from court action to reducing my credit card limit. I will never give in. Keep up the good word educating about these salesmen goons.
You should ask, "Do you want to come in?" If they try and step over the threshold you should hit them with your home defense weapon. You asked them a question, it wasn't an invitation to enter your private property. And they invaded your house you felt threatened and had to defend yourself. Something big needs to happen when it comes to these goons so someone takes notice and they change the law.
Thanks buddy for all the advice, if it puts my mind at rest, ime sure thousands of others are at rest, I've not had a licence for years, but do get the odd letter now and again,..goes straight in the bin!
My next no licence needed letter should be coming this May, this time I'm not going to reply to it. What I'm going to do is save all the threatening letters up and when I have enough I'm going to my solicitor with them to start suing for harassment, more people should do this.
I sat in the front window with my ring open pressed to the window when a goon knocked on my door! I was pissed at the time but he ain’t been back, the prick!
The reason that they can get away with the language they use in the letters is simply because it's the law to have one if you watch live tv or iplayer, and, rightly or wrongly, all TVs come equipped with this facility. Maybe they could sell TVs with or without a live tv subscription? I bet they wouldn't sell many without live tv enablement!
They DO sell TVs of this kind. They're called computer monitors. Connect a Roku box or similar to one with an hdmi cable and you're fine as long as you ensure you don't access live broadcasts. You don't need to prove you don't - they have to prove you do. Difficult if you simply deny them access and answer none of their questions - you have NO obligation to admit entry, answer questions, or even identify yourself to these pathetic door-to-door salesmen.
My TV took flying lessons, it only needed one, it crashed hard and got binned. My neighbours assumed I was having a breakdown when in fact, it was actually an epiphany.
Oh no not tv licence ,I MUST buy 1 ,I MUST allow them in and I MUST answer all their questions....WAIT I forgot sorry I DONT suffer from STUPIDITY !! IF I need 1 I will get 1 but I am INNOCENT until proven otherwise and I DONT have to allow them to prove my guilt
I received a card through the post which, on reflection, may be a sneaky way of trying to get one to suggest that they watch broadcast TV. Alas I simply read it and cast it in the bin but now I wonder about its bene-fides. It ostensibly an organisation wanting volunteers to give their views of TV programmes with an opportunity to win an undisclosed prize. It looked so sus that I discarded it. My neighbours did not get one but it was addressed to me personally (not Mr & Mrs) and not to "the occupier". Now if others you know get such a card, perhaps my current suspicions may be right. Have a good day Brian
In the past watching TV was pretty well ubiquitous, almost every household in the country could be assumed to have and watch TV. Now things are changing however but the licencing authorities are still acting as if things have not. It is no longer justifiable to proceed upon the assumption that if a household has no TV licence then this is grounds to hold a reasonable suspicion that an offense is being comitted. This makes things difficult for the licencing authorities, of course it can all be solved if they are allowed to come into your house and check but many people dislike this. Is it really so difficult for most of us most of the time to allow such a person in to just check? None of this will do the providers of mainstream TV any good in the long term however if they don't read the writing on the wall and switch over to the internet because as time goes by it will just become too expensive to enforce their fees. I can only suggest that they stop transmitting TV over the air and do it via broadband internet, then it can be verified if you use/watch their services. And someone please produce a simple box that can be plugged into a TV so that it can recieve the transmissions over the internet, and for Gods sake make it simple so that those who are not internet savvy can use their TV's just like before, or preferably even easier!
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I am surprised no one has started a “have you been mis sold a TV licence” gig like the PPI claims a few years ago.
That's not a bad idea.
Great idea.
What a cracking comment hope some firm gets on this
great put it to lawyers for you
I would LOVE that. Also an ASA complaint?
Capita have given me over 25 years to get licenced!
good one lol
I've been licenced and certified many times.
Happy anniversary.
LOL.
They're enforcement officers as much as I'm a special canine unit when I walk my dog.
Lol 😂 I get your point, but you should replace "dog" with "cat", as it does not add up with "dog" 😉👍
@@briankristiansen821 you don't walk a cat.
@@charlotteb6898 Some people do.
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@@charlotteb6898 well normally you would not walk a cat, but since some people do, your point becomes moot. 😊 My point was just that OP's analogy does not work, while using the "dog", but it would work with "cat". So to summerize, the enforcement officers are not enforcement officers, but salesmen/women, where as OP is a special K9 unit while walking his dog. 😁
@@briankristiansen821 and now nobody understands what's just been said.
Jon roasting the Buggering British Children brigade one video at a time. Keep up the good fight mate. 👍🏻
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Buggering British Children 😂 comment of the century that is lol 👍👊
Should it not be Bum Buggering Chavs as per Jimmy S?
@Dave Obviously my comment was aimed at Saville.
You know iv heard a few of these BBC right tones but this one buggering british children has to be the best an most correct term 👌
I've had about 20 of their letters over the past few years and I'm still eagerly awaiting a visit. When they eventually do turn up, I'm not going to be able to contain my excitement!
Lol 😅👍 I feel the same!! 😅
Should have said we speak no English
give them there pile of letters back
Apparently they've been threatening to invade my new home to be for the past few years . I just watch UA-cam, not the "lives " I don't wish to be rude when you have several hosts on a live you get people cutting across and talking at the same time ... forget it ! I just stick to streaming and cast it to my TV so I get the whole TV experience 😁😁😁😁
its nice to have someone like you to help us, thank you.
Jon has saved me £318 so far, 🥂 Jon
My TV has worked for OVER 6 YEARS now without a licence.. OVER £1000 still in my pocket.
Yes Chilli, how DO they get away with it? Someone in Ofcom or like body is clearly turning a blind eye to this appalling conduct and ‘they’ are supposed to oversee certain organisations to ensure they behave in a reasonable way. Suppose it boils down to what ‘some’ authorities call “reasonable”.
A bit like our WEF controlled Government.
Unfortunately, the law on the Statue books is worded in such a way that gives them the right to get away with it. It is a pathetic law, which in my opinion goes against common law and international law (fundamental right to be treated as innocent until proven guilty is also an international human right under Article 11 of the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights.) This private company, owned by Capita, are treating everyone as guilty under UK law, until they "assess" you as innocent and our politicians won't do anything about it!
If I sent letters to MP's telling them they are guilty of murder because that sharp knife in their kitchen COULD be used to murder someone, there would be out-roar and so there should. Just because I own a TV does not mean I am guilty of using it to watch LIVE TV or recording it or using iPlayer!
Ofcom are x BBC top employees Lord Grade one of them
Has any of these oversight bodies ever done anything for the consumers, you, me and all the little people? They are just a governmental smoke screen in the pockets of the very industries they are suppose to regulate .... but we the unwashed are not suppose to see it, so go away and pay your taxes and stop complaining.
Backhanders mate 👌 Its what BBC stands for .... Big Backhanders Club .
I had a visit. Wasn't in so they left a note. Now another threatening letter addressed to 'The Legal Occupier'.
Finally i've had enough. Put on it "Not known at this address. Return to sender "
I am not going to tell them I don't have a TV or watch any of that shit. Let them work for the money they aren't going to get from me.
You are correctly licensed because you've researched what license you require. A lot of people don't know whether they need a license and TVL hide the facts so people buy one whether they need it or not. You're doing a good job of educating members of the public Jon, keep it up!!
I've been correctly UN-licenced for 13 years. 😁
If the goons knock on your door, say nothing, never disclose your name, and close the door.
No just act like a migrant
Me speak no English
@@fusiliers1 No speako diego... ;)
@@chillivodka01 is that a blackadder reference
@@LordColondy It is indeed! :P
i've got the rest of my life NOT to buy one ;;;
They will give you infinite chances to buy a TV license. Lol
I've sent one of those back with Go forth and multiply written on it !
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But Jon, they haven't opened up with the truth. They've opened up by saying, in big bold letters, 'Were giving you 10 days to get correctly licensed', automatically assuming the recipient is breaking the law.
That, my friend is going to be the way of the world in the future.
In the New TRUSTLESS Society, we will be assumed guilty & have to prove our Innocence.
What other business has the ability to get away with making such grievous threats... Isn't it about time they were prevented from this aggressive marketing ploy?
Evening Jon, great video. I’ve now had my email to declare ‘no licence needed’ after two licence free years, so I decided to take your advice and ignore it. I’m waiting for my first goon visit with the ring doorbell at the ready and paper shredder😂
A domestic paper shredder is only built to take 5 sheets at a time. If can't deal with a whole goon. 🤣
Their letters are constant. It's like harassment from an ex. How they keep getting away with their intimidating letters is beyond me.
If anyone is in doubt or worried,,take on board all Jon is saying. 👌💚👊
I haven't received anything from them after filling in a license not needed declaration on their site.
Took 2 minutes and now I don't have to bother with any of this
Same here, you don't need to put any personal details, example
Name "Mr Nobody" be creative I was, email address was the only thing, they sent confirmation and nothing else for 2 years.
You must be old if your ex's are sending you letters lol. Mine just get in my DM's lol.
@@bluenose7984it's a letter virus lol aka The Ex, this could be some stupid far fetch horror thriller 😂
The correct licence is no licence!
Just had mine today. To the occupier . Also I am neither Sir or Madam lol. I have 10 days to respond or ger licenced. I do not need one, I told a goon this a few months ago and I wil never respond to them and these threats, however I can see why some feel scared by this. My housemate and landlord is 60 and I have now convinced him to cancel it from over a year ago as we do not watch anything that requires one. He was one paying out of fear of being in trouble. Shocking behaviour, told him to let me deal with it. Thanks for your videos xx
The threatening letters should be reported to the Advertising Standards Authority as it's more like a disguised advert rather than useful information.
Good luck with that.
They'll go for easier prey...
That explains why they haven't bothered with me after the last visit.
Keep up the good work Jon. You are a national treasure and a beacon of common sense and morality in a crazy, woke world.
As always, good video
I have never been visited by the goons and I haven't had a licence since 2011, I'm nearly 72 and not afraid thanks to you Mr Chilli
Ive had everyone of there fake letters ,all binned.
Chilli - got this exact letter today ! Different date though we’ve got until Feb 8th. Been in the property for 7 months now. 2 visits and 6 letters I think maybe 7, they all get shredded after I write below the line.
Excellent videos keep up the brilliant work. We are going to stop this scam.
Honestly I’ve never had anybody show up at my door 😂 I could only imagine how money they could be saving if they didn’t waste all this paper and ink
I've been taking your advice for a while now. I've had some very threatening letters, but they're now a source of amusement that I actually enjoy receiving.
They are desperate to sell you a licence.
They are concerned about the fall in licence revenue.
How much are they wasting on sending these letters that aren't worth the paper they are written on?
They gave me 30years, and l haven't got round to it yet!
I'm looking forward to receiving this latest letter, as I it's needed to finish off wallpapering my spare room.
I've had umpteen of those as well as the ones with the IN0 number or the one warning of a visit on (or near) a certain date. I've yet to have anybody of the investigators or enforcement/sales officer knocking on my door. I still live in hope that one day they will.
You state that you 'don't condone' people breaking the law and watching broadcast TV without a TVL. Totally agree with you there. But I'd go further and say that I wouldn't condone anyone watching the BBC FULL STOP! The longer people put up with that rubbish, the longer it will exist.
ALSO, make sure your Pilot's license is up to date or the local airport will be round to check.
😳😳 😜😜😜😜😜
It still amazes me the audacity of the BBC trying to force people into funding a corporation that funded and covered up Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris for decades
If somebody has a Sky subscription that they obviously pay for, and they watch Sky live, why should they have to pay the BBC for that?
It's like buying Cornflakes from Tesco, then Asda send you a letter saying you owe them money for it.
These people are still perceiving themselves as they were in a bygone era, where they were seen as the be all and end all of broadcasting.
Now it's all reality shows and Jermaine Jenas.
They should be paying us to watch the shite.
Very well said. Fantastic comment.
@@Nicole-Faith Thanks Nicole.
It won't be long until they're forced into advertising.
I won't watch it then either.
@@SpotlessLeopard Hi.
Yes I really liked the part when you said they should pay us to watch their tripe and I agree they should!😂
I don't watch TV and haven't for many months. So I finally decided to cancel the licence but I can say in the last couple of years or maybe 3 years (I forget) there has only been one series that I enjoyed by them so it's not worth it.
You're right they'll be getting desperate all the constant cancellations.
@@Nicole-Faith Hiya again.
They should definitely be paying us to sit through their rubbish, and money should come out of the telly. 🤣
I got rid of mine in 2016 and I've never regretted it.
When I do catch a bit of BBC, because I'm not used to it, it seems to have got a lot worse since I last had a telly.
It's like they're talking to children or something.
I've had the letters threatening me with enforcement officers and I look at them when I wanna laugh.
Never had a visit yet but I hope I do.
It'd be good if it was the actual people from their station that knocked on the door.
Gary Lineker with his clipboard and I'd trap his ears in the door.🤣
@@SpotlessLeopard Yes it's very harassing as chill con carni channel says and as you point out.
Right after cancelling another letter came through saying the usual "are you sure you don't need a licence?". Also the letter says "we might send round officers to check" and in the letter they tried to make it look like watching youtube means you need a licence. They can sod off!
Oh yes and Gary Linker is a horrible and annoying person so I wouldn't blame you 😂.
After they commisioned that Shamima Bagum podcast I said to myself they are absolutely the worst as far as I'm concerned.
It's like you said though if I shop at Tesco then why should I be charged in Asda. It's nutty and infuriating. We all need to put our foot down.
I have had my fourth email regarding payment of TV licence via direct debit, “which can’t be followed through due to the fact we don’t have your updated details”. No, you don’t have that because, I told you I don’t need a TV licence because I DONT watch BBC or BBC I player or any live TV programmes. Catch up TV only NO BBC ever! In fact, I will never watch BBC again, or any live TV. They make my 90 year old parents pay for the crap they call “entertainment “ which is not suitable for 90 year olds anyway! 😮 DISGUSTING 😡
im sick to my back teeth getting "red letters" from these ,,,!"££$%)&(*%%... patiently waiting on the "visit" !!
I have just learned that Ken Bruce was being paid 385 plus grand a year.Why am I paying towards that?
Ken Bruce is worth every penny...however Gary Lineker isn't worth a crap in a cup let alone the £2 MILLION!!! that he gets paid!
Ken Bruce is Leaving The Banging British Children Brothel going to Greatest Hits Radio
Hang on a minute, if I write to someone demanding that they pay for a service you do not use, and threaten action if they do not pay, that is a criminal offense, that of "Demanding Money With Menaces", a crime that can result, not only in a criminal record, but a serious fine or imprisonment for repeat offenses. So when they call on me, I will video their conversation and then tell them that I have the evidence to arrest them, as a citizen, there and then, followed by calling the police and insisting action be taken! I do not watch any broadcast service, and I do not even watch you tube live streams, as this could be a grey area. Stuff 'em! Keep up the good work. PS As a Radio Amateur, I have a license to transmit TV if I wish! Jim M7BXT
Would I need a licence to watch your TV transmission, if I not a licenced radio Amateur if I had the equipment to do so ?
I gave them my address when I rang them up to tell them I didn't want a license and when they asked for my name I said Mr L(egal). Occupier and the person in the call centre never said a word. I also rang the police to report a malicious communication because of the threatening manner of the letters and the police took my report and gave me a crime number but they weren't keen at all...
Brilliantly explained for anyone new to the issue, CJ. I too cannot understand how Crapita are allowed to send such menacing letters and I no longer bother with the no licence needed declaration.
They not , Capita don’t send the letters , they sent directly by the BBCs TV Licence Enforcement through a bulk mailing company based in London , Capita just responsible for the home visit part ,
@@derektaylor7844 Whatever, there must be a high degree of coordination between these two, nominally at least, separate organisations.
They get away with it using fear, the landlords also insist the tenants must have a tv license and include this in the terms of tenancy.
I found this out years ago as a lodger, the greedy fuckers say if you pay rent for a room you should have a separate licence and are not covered for the whole house . Unbelievable!I will never buy one again, legitimately I dont need one
Had a letter this morning saying as I'd ignored several letters and failed to get licensed, they have no alternative to start an investigation. Wonder what happened to the previous one that was in its' final stages?
No licence for 4 years now , £600 saving and went to Benidorm on it 🎉
Maybe , back in the old days the bbc could justify their licence fee. They owned and maintained the tv transmitters, there were 2, 3 4 then 5 terrestrial channels(if you could pick it up). They made good educational documentaries,, music presentations , drama , comedy... they thought everyone loved sport, they had respected news reporting teams, they had no (very little) competition.
These days , the tv and radio transmitters were sold off to private companies as was most of the bbc's technical duties. They have increased their channel numbers but don't have the content for more than a few hours a day, I was disowned as a radio listener a long time ago. They still pay crazy money for televising sport events , and their presenters. They are trying and failing to keep up with pay tv (and all the competition), and the bbc news channels have no credibility and have become part of the governments propaganda machine.
As the bbc are now just "customers" of the tv transmitter companies, how can they say we need a tv licence to watch ANY channel live that ISN'T the bbc?
They are not the "Broadcasting" company they used to be.
Did the licence fee get reduced when the transmitters were sold off??
The licence fee is archaic and irrelevant these days and the bbc should either be funded by adverts or by their government masters.
If you don’t require a licence then you are “correctly licensed” it says it in the opening sentence!
I've been license free for over 6 years now... And counting 💪👊
Frightening the public seems to be an ongoing theme now for the past few years
I've already informed them I do not require a license. If their record keeping is inadequate, the problem is theirs..
The only thing they'll get from knocking on my door are the unnecessary letters I've saved up for them to recycle..
I've been at this address for 23 years now and for most of those years I got my monthly letter imploring me to buy something I simply don't want nor have use for (I discovered my TV works just fine without a licence).
They used to be addressed to me personally but after about 5 years they became "To the Legal Occupier". I have never acknowledged any communications nor have I spoken to anyone from TVL but about 10 months ago the letters stopped! Why? I have not got a clue but I'm very happy as it means my bin doesn't fill up so quickly.
I found this on quora that was interesting on the lies tv goons say
Some years ago I had a knock at the door and a TV licence inspector knocked on the door to as to see my TV licence. I told him (truthfully) that I did not have one as I did not own a TV.
He asked to come inside to have look around to see if I had a TV.
I refused.
He said he had a right to enter my home for the purpose of verifying whether ot not I had a TV.
I asked to see his search warrant
He said that he didn’t need one, the right to entry is given when you buy a TV licence.
I reminded him I did not have a TV licence.
He went away.
Thank you for all the very good advice.
I’ve just had an official investigation opened at my address.
Not a penny more.
according to them you also need a BBC subscription to watch sky news live on youtube...
It should be renamed bbc subscription. Not the fake authority of a tv license. It's not a driving license or gun license or whatever else. Its a state enforced BBC subscription.
Their logic is like having the government say you need a Netflix subscription because you have the internet.
Oh wow, perhaps we could set-up a GoFundMe page to get you a TV licence in time. Personally, I plan to do something sponsored to raise some funds ... maybe a 'sponsored ignore their letters'? I must have at least 20 of these letters now, all addressed to 'The Occupier' or 'The Legal Occupier'. I have been collecting them for at least 5 years. Oh dear, I must be in trouble ... I'm scared. 🤣
Is there a Mr/Mrs/Ms Occupier somewhere wondering where all of their post goes?
@@paulineashcroft1485 Yeh, I get their mail too...
@@clemobenoit5813 It's so annoying.
I got one too. They can still eff off.
I would never declare no licence needed, as 1. you recognize their letter and some sort of authority and 2. they get your name, and even more letters
Always send the letter back with "Return to sender". At least they may have to pay/process the postage.
I get that feeling they'll soon be looking in our windows with camera drones.
Good then we can all get together an sue them on mass I need a new big ass telly box 💖💖💖
I have reflective film on all my windows. They can have at it cos they'll see nowt from me🤣
Im BBC letter blind, I dont see them at all. I think they got fed up with no reaction from me.
Just ignore the letters and the goons if they should call. Junk mail letters and high pressure sales people that's all they are.
I'm waiting for the river's authority to come round to see if I want a licence to take up fishing, still waiting for them to bombarded me with letters about me taking up fishing, is this not the way government bodies work. Tv licencing can do one, for us there's nothing we want to watch, listen or read from MSM. keep up the good work 👍
Received one of them letters, did not open it and wrote return to sender and posted it back. Last visit I had, informed them that I wasn't interested and their rights of implied access are revoked.
What happens if you return the letter with a note attached "I am not here" .
This reminds me of a routine by the late and great Robin Williams...
"You cross that line and you die!
You crossed it? OK - you cross THAT line and you die!
OK - you cross THAT line and you die!
You crossed all the lines??!
OK - I go home now and sulk! "
My neighbours partner pays the licence fee EVERY year even though he DOES NOT own a TV. 😛🤣 He's so paranoid someone will turn up on his doorstep. Madness!!!
I'd very much like to know the cost of sending these letters. It's not like free fishing on the internet. Royal Mail has a cost? I'd love to see their books as it doesn't really have a good business model for sure,
Cost is 64p per licence and currently 24.468.000 licenses in place . ( source BBC financial information ) Letters are sent directly from TVL by a London based bulk mail company , not by Capita , they only responsible for idiots ,,
iv got my final final warning to pay my newlyn bailiff money for the council tax i owe or they will take more drastic action . so i rang them up told em i wont be paying as im not scared and dont give into being threatened they said i can go to jail if i dont pay i said they need to research it more as no one can go to jail over council tax and he then just hung up . they hate it when u no more than them script readers and take there power away
We’ve had 3 of those “10 day notices” over the last year.
Still no visit.
Don’t care either way. 🤷♂️
How come it says you can pay from £6 a week? 6 x 52 = £312
Yes, they con people into paying weekly and make a lot more money. I'd wager the majority are elderly and don't fully understand.
@@stevegee8010 That is mental. So people pay £312 a year rather than £159 for being able to pay weekly. That's just nuts and don't sound like that should be legal. Sounds like the pre-payment electric meters I used to have when on benefits, biggest rip off going!
that's over 6 months and as soon as you have paid your TV licence for the year, they expect you to start coughing up for next years in advance!
@@Big_Gaz_1 That makes a bit more sense, but surely £3 a week for the year would be better
Blimey, that's a ball ache trying to ask the question from the BBC. Too many trip points and all I do is listen to radio. Not happy with them wanting to know about me, when they are public and suposed to be transparent? Hummm.
Great tips. I get a threatening letter addressed to Legal Occupier on average per fortnight. I've had threats from court action to reducing my credit card limit.
I will never give in.
Keep up the good word educating about these salesmen goons.
My neighbour has been receiving these letters he passed away last year so let's see them visit him could be a bit difficult.
knowing BBC TV licencing goons, they will turn up with an ouija board
Just cause ur dead doesn’t mean u don’t need a t.v license 😂😂😂😂🤫💖
@@Sweetie-zf3ss It's a grave situation.
You should ask, "Do you want to come in?"
If they try and step over the threshold you should hit them with your home defense weapon.
You asked them a question, it wasn't an invitation to enter your private property.
And they invaded your house you felt threatened and had to defend yourself.
Something big needs to happen when it comes to these goons so someone takes notice and they change the law.
I had the 10 days threat letter over 5 years ago. All bluff and bluster. Written by the deranged
Thanks buddy for all the advice, if it puts my mind at rest, ime sure thousands of others are at rest, I've not had a licence for years, but do get the odd letter now and again,..goes straight in the bin!
I did the No License needed declaration. Because I thought I had to. Thanks for your help and advice.
Yes. Same letter arrived and now quaking in my cowboy boots. Will spend the next 10 days climbing the walls in nail biting anxiety 😂
My next no licence needed letter should be coming this May, this time I'm not going to reply to it. What I'm going to do is save all the threatening letters up and when I have enough I'm going to my solicitor with them to start suing for harassment, more people should do this.
I sat in the front window with my ring open pressed to the window when a goon knocked on my door! I was pissed at the time but he ain’t been back, the prick!
Oh I bet your ringpiece must have hurt like hell after u kept it open for soooooo long I bet ur neighbours had a good show 😂😂😂👍💖
Hamburger inspector!! 😅😅 love it!!
The reason that they can get away with the language they use in the letters is simply because it's the law to have one if you watch live tv or iplayer, and, rightly or wrongly, all TVs come equipped with this facility. Maybe they could sell TVs with or without a live tv subscription? I bet they wouldn't sell many without live tv enablement!
They DO sell TVs of this kind. They're called computer monitors.
Connect a Roku box or similar to one with an hdmi cable and you're fine as long as you ensure you don't access live broadcasts.
You don't need to prove you don't - they have to prove you do.
Difficult if you simply deny them access and answer none of their questions - you have NO obligation to admit entry, answer questions, or even identify yourself to these pathetic door-to-door salesmen.
they send me a letter every other week saying they will visit on x date, they never come.
Can't wait till we can claim it all back like PPI 😂😂
My TV took flying lessons, it only needed one, it crashed hard and got binned. My neighbours assumed I was having a breakdown when in fact, it was actually an epiphany.
Isn't "Madam" the traditional name for someone running a brothel? That's slander! Sue them!!!!! 😂🤣
No she is known as a Madame
Oh no not tv licence ,I MUST buy 1 ,I MUST allow them in and I MUST answer all their questions....WAIT I forgot sorry I DONT suffer from STUPIDITY !! IF I need 1 I will get 1 but I am INNOCENT until proven otherwise and I DONT have to allow them to prove my guilt
I don't have a TV licence and I never will
i had an empty property with no curtains no furniture it was for sale but still mountains of tv licence threat letters piled up
I'm looking forward to my property being "under investigation" for not requiring a TV licence.
Oh it gets boring after the second begging letter 💖
10 days? Bothered? Not me....come round to my gaff and see what will happen- it won't end well for the goon.
Bbc need taking to court about this. Its harassment.
Quick buy that licence 😆 🤣
Buy two just incase....
Yeah must be 25+ years last time had a TV licence.
I’ve got 10 days to pay for 3 years now.😊
Ever had a visit? I keep getting the letters that they will visit but I work 12hr shifts so am never in. Wondered if they’re actually knocking lol
@@FragranceGame85 Never that I know.
The "calender of doom" lol 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
I received a card through the post which, on reflection, may be a sneaky way of trying to get one to suggest that they watch broadcast TV. Alas I simply read it and cast it in the bin but now I wonder about its bene-fides. It ostensibly an organisation wanting volunteers to give their views of TV programmes with an opportunity to win an undisclosed prize. It looked so sus that I discarded it. My neighbours did not get one but it was addressed to me personally (not Mr & Mrs) and not to "the occupier". Now if others you know get such a card, perhaps my current suspicions may be right. Have a good day Brian
In the past watching TV was pretty well ubiquitous, almost every household in the country could be assumed to have and watch TV.
Now things are changing however but the licencing authorities are still acting as if things have not. It is no longer justifiable to proceed upon the assumption that if a household has no TV licence then this is grounds to hold a reasonable suspicion that an offense is being comitted.
This makes things difficult for the licencing authorities, of course it can all be solved if they are allowed to come into your house and check but many people dislike this.
Is it really so difficult for most of us most of the time to allow such a person in to just check?
None of this will do the providers of mainstream TV any good in the long term however if they don't read the writing on the wall and switch over to the internet because as time goes by it will just become too expensive to enforce their fees.
I can only suggest that they stop transmitting TV over the air and do it via broadband internet, then it can be verified if you use/watch their services.
And someone please produce a simple box that can be plugged into a TV so that it can recieve the transmissions over the internet, and for Gods sake make it simple so that those who are not internet savvy can use their TV's just like before, or preferably even easier!
how much do the americans pay to the bbc to watch bbc america?