Major Shake-Up In The eBike World! | EMBN Show 339
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- In this week's EMBN Show, Steve Jones is joined by Owen Coutts at Eurobike with a surprise visit from Gary Fisher to talk about new eBike tech from the event. In the rest of the show, we look at Dangerholm's latest creation, and your usual favorites including some great-looking places in Cool Places, we get social in #GETTINGSOCIAL and much more!
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What were your 3 favorite things to come from Eurobike? Let us know in the comments!
It will be interesting to see how DJI tackle the US market given that they have been classified as a “Chinese military company, meaning its technologies are designed in a way that can support the People’s Liberation Army (PLA)’s objectives." - They may get an exemption for the bikes (as the ruling was for their drone business), but it might be a significant blocker to their growth.
1. New Bosch Motor 😍
2. ZF - E-Bike Components 🥳
3. DJi E-Bike 🧐 but they forgot something important 🥱
Bosch new bdu375 motor and zf motor need mor gearbox motors
The 3:
1. ZF. All manufacturers, aside from Bafang, should be worried. Especially shimano.
2. DJI. Basically, their bike dethroned the Levo and made all lightweight emtb bikes irrelevant.
3. The dark horse. Bulls VUCA EVO AM. A true trail bike, not enduro, with a Pinion motor.
Biggest takeaway pondering. If DJI and ZF both offer parts and serviceability. Both price full bikes under 5k and possibly, frame sets around 3k. They will own this market.
The OWURU bike was an amazing drivetrain, and I was excited to see Villiger Dynamic. The OWURU was amazing to ride (the bike wasnt the best, but the drivetrain was smooth). Both of these motors have an integrated stepless gearbox integrated.
Is there any talk of lower prices?
Thanks for another awesome show. Gotta agree with your assessment of the big changes in motors and gearboxes coming to our EMTB world. Keep up the good work.
Saw Steve and crew at Heppy Green restaurant in Frankfurt having a salad with the crew after work last Saturday - that was my highlight.
Did you come over and say 'Hi'? 👋
You know there’s a new Bosch motor 😂
I will be happy to say goodbye to the chain. I don't think I'll buy another bike until I can get a belt drive, gearbox motor gearbox combination or not. I'm tired of chains.
I saw the head of Bosch Ebikes with his own Ebike that has a Bosch CX motor and a 3x3 NINE rear hub connected with a belt. Maybe that’s a solution you could transform your Ebike into. Or go with the MGU 😊
@@HFrizzler That 3x3 solution might work OK, but I am 100% shure the new mainstream in a few years is ONE unit with motor and gearbox. It will reduce unsprung weight and it is cheaper to have one unit. I guess the next big thing is to get rid of the rear brake and employ a good regenration system inside the MGU. It is really strange why these developments take so long.
I’m with you. I switched to Linkglide which has been the best system to date in my experience. But I’m done with new bikes with conventional drivetrain specs
Same
Dudes, not much has changed in 6 years. My Giant 2018 eBike has 5 configurable assistance levels up to 380%, 500Wh battery and delivers 80Nm torque. The progress from year 2018 is minute, ebikes are somewhat refined now. What has changed is battery capacity. They are packing more cells of the same type in practicality same housing compromising safety. What almost everybody is missing is that smaller motors need to draw more current from the battery than larger motors to achieve the same torque.
MGU is the future and it needs to be part of any brand's range of bikes. All these current German brands with MGU need to export world wide as we are waiting to have them in our market. Waiting in Australia.
Keeping my fingers crossed for you non-Europeans🤞🏻
Although quiet a bunch of manufacturers released MGU powered bikes last year it seems they were a little hesitant to make substantial orders. My prediction is though that they recognize the ever growing demand and follow up with bigger orders. In addition more and more manufacturers release MGU bikes which should make it more likely you guys will get your fair share. The question is how long that will take…
@@HFrizzleras long as big players like shimano, Bosch or Yamaha don’t release their interpretation of MGU, it will never gain ground consistently with pinion alone.
ZF gearboxes are 8 speed and in all the high torque 3.0tdi and petrol cars, known as Tiptronic (not to be confused with S Tronics 7 speed gearboxes). They are bombproof with 300,000km service intervals, the other manufacturers should be very worried.
love the 8hp generation… being capable of transmitting so much more torque for what they are rated
Well Thats Funny As i Had New M135i With it and it Lasted Less than 3 months The Gearbox,ZF Are Not That Great !!!!!!!!
@@Pete68TWas it the older model with the 6cyl or the newer inline 4?
Nice inputs!
My reign e at 26kg is heavy enough and still a big history of cracking! Don’t give them an out you obviously can make lighter weight carbon frames that are robust, just takes good design and QC.
Smaller motor more power… how is the heat management?
You are right… TQ motors which have a small form factor seem to temperature throttle quiet a bit. I hope ZF found a better solution. The cross section of their motor looked promising though
It’s not
Belt drives are great for city bike environments but anything with a buildup of sticky mud? I foresee issues with bud not being able to be ejected from the cogs and blocking belt teeth. It's not an issue with chains as the holes in the chain gives the mud a place to get out but a belt has no such escape route.
So much tech, so many choices but if you want the latest in motors you need a whole new bike and that is not going to be cheap. Also in a need to know is reliability and serviceability???
My Alfa Romeo has a ZF gearbox, they are amazing!
I like the tour option with the rack on the Nicolai - makes so much sense for such an ebike to be a cross country tourer.
That would be a proper adventure bike!
The Bafang Hindenburg ‘oh the humanity’ moment
Haters gonna hate, ebikes are taking the market 😂.
Oh yeah. Can’t ride my analogue anymore. Way too much fun on an E🤙🏽
It's a real problem 😂 eBikes are too fun!
I have 6300 miles on my heavy e-bike and it seems to be getting stronger with each mile I pass.
I also run a zf hp6 in my ford falcon that makes 1200hp and it’s an amazing gearbox
It will be interesting to see how the DJI and ZF thing plays out, being that they're both leaders from very different fields
you might be interested to know that ZF is a partner in the following bike companies that still use the Sachs RS/BMZ motor
Storck
Max&Maleon
cybro
Radkutsche
Buddy
They were one of the main players with Nox of Austria that was the first bike to use the Sachs/BMZ motor .
BMZ supplied the batteries for the Sachs and currently makes batteries for Brose . these batteries are of extreme high quality and are made in germany .
ZF has now created their own brand of motor but still has connections to the bikes above that carry the Sachs which was their main motor before they developed the current one.
If ZF makes an MGU, game over, when all these companies get into the market, hopefully we start seeing more streamlining the way the ZF integrates into the frame
What’s the warranty on the DJI stuff?
@andy,,,- yes and what about service and parts ?
My biggest takeaway is that resources are going into eMTB with little development of MTBs since probably 2016. Apart from the UDH not much has happened in frame development.
Hi guys, How about a guess on the DJI price? Over 10k or under? Thanks
I own a yeti 160e, but they has been very slow in the progress of the new gen ebike, i m looking ahead others brands like amflow with shimano motor only downside is a trail bike i m for the enduro, but the new YT is like a electric yeti sb165
SHORT CRANKS! This is by far the biggest blindspot in cycling, all disciplines!
The ergonomic benefits, especially for mid to short peeps are insane, both mtb and road (but for different reasons)
The issue is, bike geo is built around crank length. The shorter you go, the same needs yo apply to seat height AND rear horizontal back. Otherwise you lose downstroke power.
EMTBs are going shorter (should be 150mm average imo), but steep seat angles make getting rearward tough!
Anyhow, where are the CVT motor gearbox's...?
Boxes vs box's
@@vashon100 ahha, u got me. All my credibility is lost. But thanks for reading that far :-)
I but, have they tried that cf motor in Scotland 😂
Ignore that ZF never change the oil nonsense…you change the gearbox oil or sell the car before it gives out
EMBN your role here isn’t to convince us plebs to keep on buying old school equiped emtnbikes with chains/cassettes/derailuers ….we don’t want these types of transmissions….it’s your job to lever the sram/shimanos that if they want to be relevant in the future on emtnbikes that need to embrace the MGU asap
Are Bosche pretending to have a new motor because they ae being eclipsed at the show by the new boys?
lol… all other brands can only dream of Bosch’s capacity in the market 🤓🤓
Maybe u're right... but i think they prioritize durability and repairability (that's why I choose bosch).
Smaller and faster usually means higher wear and tear.
A bosch motor u kind of can repair yourself, i doubt u can with a dji or this ze one.
But it looks nice on a spec sheet, and it rides well in a demo week
@@Dualbarley I would also be careful concerning the DJI durability. I had several of their drones, these are OK quality but not more and almost everything needs to be replaced and cannot be repaired - wrong philosophy.
Who knows 🤷♂️ Either way it was a great marketing strategy!
They changed timing belts to chains on vehicles for a reason, but you get the option to have a pinion with a chain or belt. It was on one of these Eurobike 24 videos on another channel where someone was speaking to some company about it.
Steve your Contradicting yourself ,you say weight not an issue, then you're riding the kelly to see how far goes. Weight makes a difference better handling.
Big players mean government will be around the corner with registration fees and more taxes. Better not reach to regular bikes
Design and market for Non assist bikes are fully exploited. Assist bikes not there yet so that’s why you see investment in innovation.
DJI will definitely be making some changes there for others to keep up with! It's crazy how they've managed to keep their systems in the US with the DJI drone ban about to be put in place. They had to get some kind of spy system back in there. 😂 all jokes aside it would definitely be on my new bike list or a pinion gear box!
ZF 🤗 Zett (tsett) Eff
not Zed / Sed
not Zee / See
a hard german ZETT.
I would rather a heavier aluminium bike than a lighter carbon one that could crack and that would be that - thousands of pounds wasted.
I think it really depends where you ride, soft loamy terrain, carbon will be ok, hard rocky def Aluminum..
@@RoissyAngel Yes, but carbon can be repaired easier than aluminum.
Aluminum cracks just as much as carbon. I’d rather a lighter bike.
@@SubversionGaragethat’s the biggest lie ever. Don’t you own a welder?
@@bearjewmtb4827it simply doesn’t when impacts are involved.
"major shake up in the ebike world"? Are they going to stop selling overpriced unreliable piles of crap and actually start offering value for money?
Pure clickbait! Total BS!
Belt Drive? Our cars and trucks have internal belt drives enclosed and protected.
Are belt drives used in MotoGP?
No they don’t use them.
Gearboxes are for motorized vehicles like motorcycles.
Keep bicycles as bicycles, inexpensive and simple.
Go to a department store for a gearbox bike?
Nope.
dji dji dji
I'm here on Vancouver Island which, is eMTB heaven yet, the DU options are woefully pathetic.
Warranty support for our limited options is another issue that is sorely lacking, unfortunately
We're sorry to hear that! What motor are you using currently?
@@embn Currently on my 5th Bosch Gen 2 and I recently purchased a Yamaha 7. Not sure where I am going to get warranty support for it though. Cross that bridge when it craps out. Cheers