Doesn't surprise me that you like the efoil position for downwinding. I am learning downwinding with a Lift efoil and what I do is operate it at a low power 6 of 15 and I ease off on the revolutions just enough to compensate for the extra weight. From my Waterspeed app I can see that I'm moving at the speed of the swells with much less power and my battery lasts much longer. I'm thinking of getting the Cedrus mast for my wing foil board and your video convinced me it should go on the efoil position. Thanks
That sounds like an excellent way to learn downwinding. It's be VERY interested to hear what you think of the cedrus mast with the motor in efoil position compared to the Lift efoil for downwinding. Which size/model Lift efoil do you have and how heavy is it?
@@dominichoskyns9091 Hi: I have the 5-4 with a 250vSurf but changing to 200 HA and I have the folding prop which I believe also helps since it probably does fold back partially when underpowered. I'm hoping the 200Ha will give me more glide but I think the only way to progress further is with a lighter board and the foil drive.
@@joseclaus9869 you're in for a treat - using FoilDrive with your own equipment is a totally different experience than using a full efoil of that size. So much lighter and more maneuverable. I've used full efoils but only on flat water so I don't know how they compare for downwinding, but i suspect it'll be night and day. However, your Lift efoil has much more thrust than FoilDrive, so getting on foil might be harder to being with until you get the technique dialed in. My advice is to start with the 250 foil, as a bigger foil makes it easier as it has more lift. As you get better you'll soon be able to move to smaller foils. Please let me know how you get on with it. Feel free to contact me direct on FB messenger if you want
Have you spoken to the lads at Foil Drive about battery life as a function of motor position on the mast? This system is probably the first opportunity to asses such a thing. As @stoke pusher said, could be the the added water pressure enables more efficient forward thrust.
there will always be the next new thing, especially in such a rapidly evolving sport. I'm still getting miles of smiles from my v1 FD now going on two years : )
Hi Dom, great video as always! talking about masts, do you think that it makes sense to buy an expensive carbon mast like the Axis Modulus as an upgrade to my 90 cm Axis aluminum mast that I use only for winging? I see a lot of my pals buying those but I would prefer to spend the money on wings, unless it really makes sense....What do you think? cheers
It depends on your weight and the size foils you are using. For anyone using foils with a big wingspan (1099 up) I think the HM mast are well worth it. For heavyweights even smaller foils (especially HA) will benefit from the extra stiffness. One you've used the HM mast for a while and then go back to the aluminium mast you'll know what all the fuss is about 😉
Hello Dominic. Thanks for all your reviews! In an older video you said the Kujira 1210 was you favourite all around. Is that still the case or did it get replaced by the 1440? I'm looking for an all around foil to play behind a small boat wake and for winging when it's not super light. Thanks!
I sure did love the kujiras at the time but since then I have moved to Axis because their range of foils is amazing and their build quality is wayyyyyyy better. The original kujiras were excellent all round foils but axis make foils that are specific to each discipline which means you can have the best possible performance without compromise - you just have to own a few more foils though 😂😂😂 I would say the PNG 910 is the closest to the kujira 1210. It's also a great all rounder which I actually find when easier to pump than the 1210, and is great in waves and for wake foiling. It's big brother is the 1010 which I together with the 910 are my favourite foils for surfing weak mushy waves. The art foils (1099 - 799) are amazing for winging and downwinding, and the 999 & 899 are crazy good for fast, powerful waves. Axis have really big foils as well which Takuma don't make, so for me it was a no brainer, and I've never regretted it. For winging and wake foiling I think the ART999 or even the PNG 910 would be great. I use both on a small wake and for winging I use the 999 for downwinding and the 910 for wing surfing. Hope this helps
Great review. I have a Project Cedrus Integrated Mast eFoil position on order (based on your previous 2 reviews of it). You mentioned that the HPS 1050 would have been better because of its speed. I would like to start practicing the downwind thing. I'm a sound intermediate foiler / pumper. I weigh 67kg and use an Armstrong 4'5" 34L board -- would you still recommend the HPS 1050 or would you recommend smaller like HPS 980 or HPS 930 based on my weight? Thx!
The size of foil you use for downwinding mainly depends on two things, your weight and the size/power of the swell & wind. Only you will be able to figure out the exact size foil you need for any given conditions. However, at your weight I would say the 1050 will be perfect in very small swell, and when the swell gets to a decent size the 980, possibly the 930 would be much better. The worst thing is to have a foil that is too small when downwinding. Also to bear in mind of that while learning is much better to scale up your foil in size. As you get better at reading and riding the swell you'll be able to go down in size. Hope this helps. FoilDrive makes the learning curve easier, but it's still a skill that takes time to learn. Have fun 🤙
Hope you heal up fast Dominic. Great footage! You're doing some groundbreaking things. Do you think something like a 90 liter board and a 1300 foil would give you more Glide less pumping and maybe increase your range? Using the e foil position. If you hadn't gone back up wind down a few times how far do you think you would have gone? Aloha, Don
Thanks man, I appreciate your kind words 👍 Yes definitely, a foil that has a higher aspect ratio like the PNG1300 or the HPS1050 would definitely have needed less pumping because they are faster and have better glide. Half of the time the reason I was pumping was because the swell was so small in places, but the other half of the pumping was to try to keep up with the swell because the 1010 is so slow. TBH I don't think a bigger board will help you increase your range. It certainly helps you get on foil easier but when on foil the small boards are lighter and have less air resistance and less swing weight, so I think are more efficient when on foil, but TBH I don't think board size is anywhere near as important as having the right foil size to match the conditions - there's nothing worse than having a foil that's too small when downwinding! I was using the motor more than I needed to that day (to demonstrate how I use it when downwinding for the video) but if I had been trying to use it the least possible I could easily have done 20km that day. However in better conditions I could easily do 40 or maybe even 80km. The bigger the swell the less you have to use the motor - I mostly use it to get me through the flat sections, so the limiting factor for distance is more down to your fitness than the battery - if the conditions are good enough
@@dominichoskyns9091 I tried the 4'2 30L Pump at the dock today. It's heavier than my regular pump board (a Sabfoil T35) and was thus somehow harder to start and also harder to pump. I don't know why. Anytime I was too low on the mast I couldn't really get back up again.
@@stkl23 it makes sense that you'd find a heavier board harder to dock start. I only have the pump 4'6" * 37ltrs so I mostly only use that board for prone FoilDriving as i have a 4.0 32ltr Sunova and a 4'4" * 29ltrs appletree pro v2 which are both smaller and lighter so I usually use them for dock starting. In fact the appletree is the lightest by a considerable margin.
Did you need to move the mast backwards with the integrated mast? The front foot pressure when activating to motor was too much in the usual mast position for me.
You don't have to move the mast back but you can if it helps you to get on foil, however if you do this you will end up having to stand further back when on foil. There is a lot of lift when taking off, especially if the motor pod is low on the mast in efoil position. In time you will learn to control this lift by leaning forwards as you accelerate, and leaning back as you lift up onto foil. Most people shuffle their front foot back after they get on foil to help with this
I just noticed in the manual that you can limit the maximum power in the controller. I am a light rider (70 kg) so I will try 90% full power next time without moving the mast.
Thanks for this video. You answered my question will I be able to learn basic foiling techniques with the drive in the e-foil position.
It would be nice to see you doing a downwind recorded by a drone from above to see the process of swell selection. Just an idea.
Yeah I've been trying to do that for ages but it's difficult. Battery life, distances involved etc. It'll happen one day, soon I hope
Doesn't surprise me that you like the efoil position for downwinding. I am learning downwinding with a Lift efoil and what I do is operate it at a low power 6 of 15 and I ease off on the revolutions just enough to compensate for the extra weight. From my Waterspeed app I can see that I'm moving at the speed of the swells with much less power and my battery lasts much longer. I'm thinking of getting the Cedrus mast for my wing foil board and your video convinced me it should go on the efoil position. Thanks
That sounds like an excellent way to learn downwinding. It's be VERY interested to hear what you think of the cedrus mast with the motor in efoil position compared to the Lift efoil for downwinding. Which size/model Lift efoil do you have and how heavy is it?
@@dominichoskyns9091 Hi: I have the 5-4 with a 250vSurf but changing to 200 HA and I have the folding prop which I believe also helps since it probably does fold back partially when underpowered. I'm hoping the 200Ha will give me more glide but I think the only way to progress further is with a lighter board and the foil drive.
@@joseclaus9869 you're in for a treat - using FoilDrive with your own equipment is a totally different experience than using a full efoil of that size. So much lighter and more maneuverable. I've used full efoils but only on flat water so I don't know how they compare for downwinding, but i suspect it'll be night and day. However, your Lift efoil has much more thrust than FoilDrive, so getting on foil might be harder to being with until you get the technique dialed in. My advice is to start with the 250 foil, as a bigger foil makes it easier as it has more lift. As you get better you'll soon be able to move to smaller foils. Please let me know how you get on with it. Feel free to contact me direct on FB messenger if you want
I wonder if Foil Drive would make their own board to have the box integrated into the board
Highly unlikely that FoilDrive will ever make their own boards, but a collaboration between Sunova or Axis is a very real possibility
Have you spoken to the lads at Foil Drive about battery life as a function of motor position on the mast? This system is probably the first opportunity to asses such a thing. As @stoke pusher said, could be the the added water pressure enables more efficient forward thrust.
@15:00, perhaps just a bit more effective with that bit more water depth and pressure to pull through?
Awesome footage. I should have waited and got the Cedrus!
there will always be the next new thing, especially in such a rapidly evolving sport. I'm still getting miles of smiles from my v1 FD now going on two years : )
Everything is moving so quick in foiling atm. It's a crazy ride for sure 🤪
Hi Dom, great video as always! talking about masts, do you think that it makes sense to buy an expensive carbon mast like the Axis Modulus as an upgrade to my 90 cm Axis aluminum mast that I use only for winging? I see a lot of my pals buying those but I would prefer to spend the money on wings, unless it really makes sense....What do you think? cheers
It depends on your weight and the size foils you are using. For anyone using foils with a big wingspan (1099 up) I think the HM mast are well worth it. For heavyweights even smaller foils (especially HA) will benefit from the extra stiffness. One you've used the HM mast for a while and then go back to the aluminium mast you'll know what all the fuss is about 😉
@@dominichoskyns9091 Thanks Sensei
@@LixisArgentina 😂
Great vid and commentary Dominic, how long is your mast? Thanks
80cm
Hello Dominic. Thanks for all your reviews! In an older video you said the Kujira 1210 was you favourite all around. Is that still the case or did it get replaced by the 1440? I'm looking for an all around foil to play behind a small boat wake and for winging when it's not super light. Thanks!
I sure did love the kujiras at the time but since then I have moved to Axis because their range of foils is amazing and their build quality is wayyyyyyy better. The original kujiras were excellent all round foils but axis make foils that are specific to each discipline which means you can have the best possible performance without compromise - you just have to own a few more foils though 😂😂😂
I would say the PNG 910 is the closest to the kujira 1210. It's also a great all rounder which I actually find when easier to pump than the 1210, and is great in waves and for wake foiling. It's big brother is the 1010 which I together with the 910 are my favourite foils for surfing weak mushy waves. The art foils (1099 - 799) are amazing for winging and downwinding, and the 999 & 899 are crazy good for fast, powerful waves. Axis have really big foils as well which Takuma don't make, so for me it was a no brainer, and I've never regretted it. For winging and wake foiling I think the ART999 or even the PNG 910 would be great. I use both on a small wake and for winging I use the 999 for downwinding and the 910 for wing surfing. Hope this helps
Great review. I have a Project Cedrus Integrated Mast eFoil position on order (based on your previous 2 reviews of it). You mentioned that the HPS 1050 would have been better because of its speed. I would like to start practicing the downwind thing. I'm a sound intermediate foiler / pumper. I weigh 67kg and use an Armstrong 4'5" 34L board -- would you still recommend the HPS 1050 or would you recommend smaller like HPS 980 or HPS 930 based on my weight? Thx!
The size of foil you use for downwinding mainly depends on two things, your weight and the size/power of the swell & wind. Only you will be able to figure out the exact size foil you need for any given conditions. However, at your weight I would say the 1050 will be perfect in very small swell, and when the swell gets to a decent size the 980, possibly the 930 would be much better. The worst thing is to have a foil that is too small when downwinding. Also to bear in mind of that while learning is much better to scale up your foil in size. As you get better at reading and riding the swell you'll be able to go down in size. Hope this helps. FoilDrive makes the learning curve easier, but it's still a skill that takes time to learn. Have fun 🤙
Have you tried the Axis ART 1099 for downwind with the Foil Drive? Any comments?
Yup. It's an awesome combo, but you need decent sized swell to get on foil
Hope you heal up fast Dominic. Great footage! You're doing some groundbreaking things. Do you think something like a 90 liter board and a 1300 foil would give you more Glide less pumping and maybe increase your range? Using the e foil position. If you hadn't gone back up wind down a few times how far do you think you would have gone? Aloha, Don
Thanks man, I appreciate your kind words 👍
Yes definitely, a foil that has a higher aspect ratio like the PNG1300 or the HPS1050 would definitely have needed less pumping because they are faster and have better glide. Half of the time the reason I was pumping was because the swell was so small in places, but the other half of the pumping was to try to keep up with the swell because the 1010 is so slow. TBH I don't think a bigger board will help you increase your range. It certainly helps you get on foil easier but when on foil the small boards are lighter and have less air resistance and less swing weight, so I think are more efficient when on foil, but TBH I don't think board size is anywhere near as important as having the right foil size to match the conditions - there's nothing worse than having a foil that's too small when downwinding!
I was using the motor more than I needed to that day (to demonstrate how I use it when downwinding for the video) but if I had been trying to use it the least possible I could easily have done 20km that day. However in better conditions I could easily do 40 or maybe even 80km. The bigger the swell the less you have to use the motor - I mostly use it to get me through the flat sections, so the limiting factor for distance is more down to your fitness than the battery - if the conditions are good enough
Did you hurt the leg while foliling? Speedy recovery
How did you guess?🤣 They don't call it a rear stab for nothing 🗡️🪓🩸🩼😫
46 Weeks off the foil?? What happened? All the best and a speediest of recoveries of course! Is that on the the Axis pump boards?
Noooooooooooo, that was 4 to 6 weeks, not 46 weeks🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yes, the Axis pump 4'6 * 37ltrs
@@dominichoskyns9091 I tried the 4'2 30L Pump at the dock today. It's heavier than my regular pump board (a Sabfoil T35) and was thus somehow harder to start and also harder to pump. I don't know why. Anytime I was too low on the mast I couldn't really get back up again.
@@stkl23 it makes sense that you'd find a heavier board harder to dock start. I only have the pump 4'6" * 37ltrs so I mostly only use that board for prone FoilDriving as i have a 4.0 32ltr Sunova and a 4'4" * 29ltrs appletree pro v2 which are both smaller and lighter so I usually use them for dock starting. In fact the appletree is the lightest by a considerable margin.
Which battery please Dominic? With love, Ken
Did you need to move the mast backwards with the integrated mast? The front foot pressure when activating to motor was too much in the usual mast position for me.
You don't have to move the mast back but you can if it helps you to get on foil, however if you do this you will end up having to stand further back when on foil.
There is a lot of lift when taking off, especially if the motor pod is low on the mast in efoil position. In time you will learn to control this lift by leaning forwards as you accelerate, and leaning back as you lift up onto foil. Most people shuffle their front foot back after they get on foil to help with this
Thanks!
I just noticed in the manual that you can limit the maximum power in the controller. I am a light rider (70 kg) so I will try 90% full power next time without moving the mast.
@@JoseCruz-vt5wp let me know how you get on
@@dominichoskyns9091 Have you tried the Axis ART 1099 for downwind?