This is by far the best sinker water start method I've seen! So many people seem to be afraid of fully submerging their board. But that's where it is most stable. Now of course you are an excellent pumper, which makes it possible for you to not exhaust yourself getting on foil. Thanks for the instruction!
One of your best videos ever, if I could I would give a double thumbs up! Kind of ironic that of all topics Gwen had cover the one where “board” has to be pronounced so often 😁 Just kidding, love you guys! And Gwens skills are beyond real, just got off that beach start video..
Great video. I tried this method for the fist time yesterday. After a few tries I was able to stay squatting on the board and attempt getting up. Wasn't able to ride yet but I will keep at it till I get it. I just watched the video again after those first attempts and I saw a lot of things I was missing. Can't wait to give another go at it.
Great video. I’ve been using the stink bug method with a 42L board after giving up with “your” method but I think the low crouch position might be the lightbulb moment for me, looking forward to trying again.
Great video, thanks so much for that tutorial, I got my first small board, 54 liter, and just had my first session discovering how challenging getting up was. Watched some videos but not sure which method is best, going to try the one you showed but not sure if its the right one, thanks for the inspiration!
Thanks for another great video, you make it look very easy. I still cant get my head round why everyone wants to get the smallest board possible ? What's the advantage of this. Does it come down to being more faster, quicker turning. I'm a windsurfer and its the same, everyone wants to go smaller, but its very hard to get going and gybe, it takes years to master, but a bigger board is more relaxed and easier and you don't fall in as often, unless you are very experienced.
Trend now is going bigger. Everyone wanted the smallest as its so nimble and light. Then when you crash the struggle to get back up is brutal! Now we are all running 55L, 60L as small boards so you can run smaller wings instead and always get going. Also making landing tricks easier. TRENDS!
Hey guys, great video and instructions. I've tried Stink-Bug, Rodeo, and Windsurf-Style waterstarts, but never this technique. I prefer the Rodeo technique over the Stink Bug, unless there's enough wind for Windsurf-Style. Can't wait to try your technique to see if it facilitates quicker standing & easier pumping than when kneeling. Ha - if it doesn't have a name, perhaps we should start calling this technique the "Crouching Tiger"! Best, -Stuart
Hi guys, I have a question that I haven’t seen covered elsewhere: What is the most secure way to tether your wing & board on land between sessions? I have suffered one wing puncture and several close calls when my board/foil tips over onto my wing in high winds. Or, in one case in a lee, my wing was backwinded and flipped up directly toward the foil tip. Any advice would be appreciated. Perhaps the answer is to just separate your gear and secure your wing far from the foil. If there’s a technique that works, I’m sure this would make a valuable - if less than sexy - lesson for one of your videos. Thanks and please keep showing us what’s possibe, -Stuart
@@boardmaverick We have all had this and is a tricky one for sure. Safest can be fill your wing bag with sand and always attach the wing to the bag. You can set your board and foil below downwind so if it ever flaws over it can't hit the wing! :) Have a great weekend
Thanks 🙏 - now I can stop trying alternative ways of tethering them together and wondering if my wing is safe! BTW, (unrelated) my daughter is 20 months and so far she’s limited to dry-land (actually living room) training on my board. If she could, she would “like” your videos 🤣 Enjoy every moment ;)
Hi Gwen, thanks for the low volume board start video. I am 94kg on a 58 litre board with a fanatic aero 1500 surf foil, using a naish 6m wind wing and your way of starting worked the easiest for me. Cheers
Great video! As all your videos. Like it! ❤️ I tried this method many times but I need with my ~92kg and my 34L board a lot of wind to get up and foil. With my Rodeo Start I need for the same board about 12 kts to get up and foil with much less effort. Finally good to know that more and more people are trying Sinker Boards for Wingfoiling. ✌️🙂
This method seems the most simple and efficient! Thank you Gwen! Im 77 K or 170 lbs. and just tried my 4’2” 30 L prone and pump board, and it seemed like it just sunk way too deep when I first tried getting on it. (Couldn’t hold on to the handle of wing and board at same time to mount up. You only hold on to handle of leading edge for a second though just to get up right? Then you change if needed to hands on top of wing? I’m thinking that I probably need a 50 L prone board 4’6 or 4’8 to make it easier here in Miami. Any advice would be helpful. Thanks for everything Damien and Gwen!
Yes only hold both while you get ready to step on it, once you start sinking the board, only hold the wing. The 4’7” 51L Link board from Cabrinha could be a really good option for Florida for sure!
Hi Glen, such a great video!! I am 87Kg and now on a 5.5x27 88l board. Thinking to go down but dont know if a) 80 liters much narrower 5.2x23 board or b) 70 liter or c) 58 liter. I dont jump, I like riding bumps, easy waves and downwinding open ocean swell, we have moving choppy water (Atlantic). And if you are in a shore break and need to go further in because of a low volume board to have deep water that might be complicated. SO maybe the 80l is the best option or should I go to 70 or even 58l, dont know if the benefits are so much more of the 70 and 58 vs the 80. 80l 5.2x23 vs 70l 5.0x22 58l 4.8x20. I am 50, in shape but looking also for comfort in my age. Thx a million
2 options that we would recommend, the PPC Soar Pro 73L wingfoilprocenter.com/products/ppc-soar-pro-board?variant=46298780205360 Or a bit more aggressive of a shape but would be a killer option to ride ocean swell, the 88L KT Dragonfly wingfoilprocenter.com/collections/light-wing-wing-foiling/products/kt-ginxu-dragonfly-downwind-foilboard
This video is just what I've been looking for, however, i do have a question - how easy is it to paddle a sinker board back to shore if the wind dies? The only reason i ask is that as an experienced 68kg winger who has had the last 2 years on a 55l board, I'm looking to drop to a 45l but worried about the ease of an unplanned swim back to shore!
It will be like paddling back on a surfboard. Always go out as far as you want to paddle back! A good note to always keep in mind if anything goes wrong.
Great tutorial, thanks a lot! When and why do you recommend a sinker over a 100l board for 80kg person? Should I try soon a little board even in light wind?
Michael, wait for a day when you have plenty of power. It will make it so much easier. After you have it somewhat dialed you can torture yourself in light wind.
It's more personal preference really! Its nice to have a small board for tricks. Down side is in lulls you may be sitting in the water more to get up than the 100L board.
Hey Gwen! Great tutorial. Thanks! For me, after 15 or 20 times pumping to get on foil on light wind days I get fatigued. Any suggestions for on-shore strengthening exercises??
I would say anything interval, high intensity training would help big time, like CrossFit, or even running and cycling if you add some interval training into it. So you get used to intense efforts and get faster recovery between efforts like pumping is. - Gwen
Thank you for this great video, congrats 😎. I am 78 kg / 172 pounds, I am using a 75 lt. board at the moment and I can take off in 10 kts and jibe / tack ok. I am dreaming of a sinker board, as a second board for higher winds, I am looking at Cabrinha Autopilot 2022 - what size would you recommend? Many thanks and regards from Italy - please keep the good work !!!
Sorry for the delay! These are always hard questions not knowing someones skill but I would say a 40L-50L should work. I always look for more volume as it just gives you more ease in climbing to the surface. A longer board will also help like a 4'6 - 5'2. I hope that helps.
Does the foil position on the board affect the start on the sinker board? I have not been able to get up on my 42lt f-one and 5m wing When i manage to get it out of the water i am not able to pump the board well. I have experience on the foil tow in, kiting and winging on a bigger board. What do you suggest??
Sure does if the mast is too far back the foil will struggle to lift up! Too far forward and it will be jumping up! A sinker is tricky and needs to get up on the surface and start planing on the water then will foil. Its not easy! If you have heavy back foot you might want to move the mast forward. To me sounds like you can slide it forward. Should help..
I am wanting to get into winging but also proning, I am 70 kg and was wondering how much do you weigh because I reckon anything over the 40 ish litre boards you were using might be too hard to duckdive when proning but would a 40 ish litre be realistic for me to wing. I might be able to duckdive a big board, never really tried anything that size when surfing
Learning to wing foil on a sinker board is not ideal, we can help you pick the right equipment for you, reach out to us through our shop: wingfoilprocenter.com
Thanks for the video, how much lower than your body weight you can potentially go? I'm 70 kg and I have a 29lt surf foil board but haven't tried to wing foil it yet. I'm good level wingfoiler, should I try and is it worth it to go on a very small board? Thank you
The 29L board will work for you 100%. The smaller you go, the more power you will need to get up (more wind or bigger wing). Smaller boards like 29L are actually easier to keep under your feet. 50-60L for your weight is a tricky size because it's hard to keep under water, but it takes less power to get up.
Damo, I notice you ride the small Lift prone boards, is there one you prefer for wing? I have the 4.0/28 as my kite board, I’m 77kg and am yet to try this winging. Do you feel that there is a point the volume is too small or is it more about losing the planing area in the underside of the board that is the limitation? It seems like there is a bunch of thought going into the underwater shapes of bigger boards whereas this is rarely mentioned in the blurb about small boards. In short, IYO is there a volume/surface area happy medium? Tom
Friend, I use the 4'4 44L board form LIFT and love it. As you get better you can run smaller boards but saying that the trend keeps going up in volume even myself as I can do all the tricks with more volume as the boards are getting smaller say 4'6 with 50-60L and so on! Making it easy to do the tricks and easier to ride in lighter conditions and make getting up easier. I would at 170 lbs, start with a 100L board it will make learning winging much easier if you start on a smaller board, it just will be more challenging and take longer for sure. Reason why most don't talk about smaller boards. Unless you live in a place that is blowing like 30-40MPH then you have power.
I bought a new -20L board. After my first session, I found it very difficult to balance with your technique (I don’t place my back foot on the board but my knee). The board sinks halfway (I weigh 61kg and have a 42L board). Is it the wrong volume or just a matter of balance and practice? J'habite a Marseille ❤
Everything is possible, but 20L is a small board and you would need lots of wind or power 100% to get you up! I think the 42L would be a lot easier. Practice makes perfect but if you were trying in lighter winds it would be challenging.
@@giovannifumelli3386 Yea no matter all sinker boards are much harder than having volume. If you go too small you struggle to even ride no matter your weight. 20L board unless you have tons of wind is always going to have a little challenge no matter your weight. As you have to climb it to the surface with power then get up on foil.
Hi guys, I'm new to wing foiling but on a budget. There is a local selling an older "2019" neilpryde glide surf size large foil kit barley seen the water. Could you learn to wing foil on this? It was a popular wing back a few years but are newer foils much easier to learn on? The wing is 1700-1800cm2 and I'm only 65kg (143lbs) thanks.
@@andrewjamez Make sure to do your research there is a lot of used gear for sure, but a lot of gear that will make learning a lot harder and longer. Have a great day!
I’m 155lbs and trying to get my 32 l prone board up with 4.5 A wing in 12-25kts wind. Do u think it’s possible? I’ve spent three hard days trying. More can get board almost to surface, but it’s frustrating and very difficult haha
Jesus, 15 knots and on a sinker with a 4m wing?? I couldn’t even get on the foil on a 130L board with that. I’d have my 6 or 7M out for that light wind.
"If you go to the water in the morning, your day is just better" Well said, Oskar!
This is by far the best sinker water start method I've seen!
So many people seem to be afraid of fully submerging their board. But that's where it is most stable. Now of course you are an excellent pumper, which makes it possible for you to not exhaust yourself getting on foil. Thanks for the instruction!
I've been devouring videos on how to foil and your channel is by far the best! Thank you!
Thank you Brandon! Enjoy the learning process! We appreciate you!
Go on with this excellent boulot, Damien
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One of your best videos ever, if I could I would give a double thumbs up! Kind of ironic that of all topics Gwen had cover the one where “board” has to be pronounced so often 😁 Just kidding, love you guys! And Gwens skills are beyond real, just got off that beach start video..
Excellent video work. Seeing it from various angles is very useful. The microphone worked great. Very little wind noise.
Gwen is incredible!
Great video. I tried this method for the fist time yesterday. After a few tries I was able to stay squatting on the board and attempt getting up. Wasn't able to ride yet but I will keep at it till I get it. I just watched the video again after those first attempts and I saw a lot of things I was missing. Can't wait to give another go at it.
You got this friend!
Great tips!
Brilliant. Just love your technique. Other videos ive seen are quite complicated on the balance front
Glad we can help! 🙏🙌
Great video. I’ve been using the stink bug method with a 42L board after giving up with “your” method but I think the low crouch position might be the lightbulb moment for me, looking forward to trying again.
Yewww! Right on..
Great video, thanks so much for that tutorial, I got my first small board, 54 liter, and just had my first session discovering how challenging getting up was. Watched some videos but not sure which method is best, going to try the one you showed but not sure if its the right one, thanks for the inspiration!
Damien, nice video ! Thank you so much
Thank you! We appreciate you!
great explanation!
Can’t wait to try these techniques!
Enjoy and thank you!
Didn't know there were palm trees in Hood River! Kidding, great video.
Thank you we appreciate you!
Thank you 🙏🙏
Thanks for another great video, you make it look very easy. I still cant get my head round why everyone wants to get the smallest board possible ? What's the advantage of this. Does it come down to being more faster, quicker turning. I'm a windsurfer and its the same, everyone wants to go smaller, but its very hard to get going and gybe, it takes years to master, but a bigger board is more relaxed and easier and you don't fall in as often, unless you are very experienced.
Trend now is going bigger. Everyone wanted the smallest as its so nimble and light. Then when you crash the struggle to get back up is brutal! Now we are all running 55L, 60L as small boards so you can run smaller wings instead and always get going. Also making landing tricks easier. TRENDS!
@@DamienLeroyUA-cam Thanks for explaining, makes sense. Cheers, Happy Surfing
Good stuff!
Thank you!
yo man,, thanks for the tuto
Thank you friend.
Thanks for the video ! Very helpful ! I’m wondering which mic do you use to record in the water ? Very clean !
Hey guys, great video and instructions.
I've tried Stink-Bug, Rodeo, and Windsurf-Style waterstarts, but never
this technique.
I prefer the Rodeo technique over the Stink Bug, unless there's
enough wind for Windsurf-Style. Can't wait to try your technique to
see if it facilitates quicker standing & easier pumping than when kneeling.
Ha - if it doesn't have a name, perhaps we should start calling this technique the "Crouching Tiger"!
Best,
-Stuart
Thank you for sharing!
Hi guys, I have a question that I haven’t seen covered elsewhere: What is the most secure way to tether your wing & board on land between sessions? I have suffered one wing puncture and several close calls when my board/foil tips over onto my wing in high winds. Or, in one case in a lee, my wing was backwinded and flipped up directly toward the foil tip. Any advice would be appreciated. Perhaps the answer is to just separate your gear and secure your wing far from the foil. If there’s a technique that works, I’m sure this would make a valuable - if less than sexy - lesson for one of your videos. Thanks and please keep showing us what’s possibe, -Stuart
@@boardmaverick We have all had this and is a tricky one for sure. Safest can be fill your wing bag with sand and always attach the wing to the bag. You can set your board and foil below downwind so if it ever flaws over it can't hit the wing! :) Have a great weekend
Thanks 🙏 - now I can stop trying alternative ways of tethering them together and wondering if my wing is safe! BTW, (unrelated) my daughter is 20 months and so far she’s limited to dry-land (actually living room) training on my board. If she could, she would “like” your videos 🤣 Enjoy every moment ;)
Hi Gwen, thanks for the low volume board start video. I am 94kg on a 58 litre board with a fanatic aero 1500 surf foil, using a naish 6m wind wing and your way of starting worked the easiest for me. Cheers
That’s awesome, glad we could help! 🙏🙌
Great video! As all your videos. Like it! ❤️
I tried this method many times but I need with my ~92kg and my 34L board a lot of wind to get up and foil.
With my Rodeo Start I need for the same board about 12 kts to get up and foil with much less effort.
Finally good to know that more and more people are trying Sinker Boards for Wingfoiling. ✌️🙂
Thank you for sharing friend!
Great work Gwen, just wondering how much you weigh? Coz that makes a big difference on what gear to use.
About 150-155 lbs
This method seems the most simple and efficient! Thank you Gwen! Im 77 K or 170 lbs. and just tried my 4’2” 30 L prone and pump board, and it seemed like it just sunk way too deep when I first tried getting on it. (Couldn’t hold on to the handle of wing and board at same time to mount up. You only hold on to handle of leading edge for a second though just to get up right? Then you change if needed to hands on top of wing? I’m thinking that I probably need a 50 L prone board 4’6 or 4’8 to make it easier here in Miami. Any advice would be helpful. Thanks for everything Damien and Gwen!
Yes only hold both while you get ready to step on it, once you start sinking the board, only hold the wing. The 4’7” 51L Link board from Cabrinha could be a really good option for Florida for sure!
Hi Glen, such a great video!! I am 87Kg and now on a 5.5x27 88l board. Thinking to go down but dont know if a) 80 liters much narrower 5.2x23 board or b) 70 liter or c) 58 liter. I dont jump, I like riding bumps, easy waves and downwinding open ocean swell, we have moving choppy water (Atlantic). And if you are in a shore break and need to go further in because of a low volume board to have deep water that might be complicated. SO maybe the 80l is the best option or should I go to 70 or even 58l, dont know if the benefits are so much more of the 70 and 58 vs the 80. 80l 5.2x23 vs 70l 5.0x22 58l 4.8x20. I am 50, in shape but looking also for comfort in my age. Thx a million
2 options that we would recommend, the PPC Soar Pro 73L wingfoilprocenter.com/products/ppc-soar-pro-board?variant=46298780205360
Or a bit more aggressive of a shape but would be a killer option to ride ocean swell, the 88L KT Dragonfly wingfoilprocenter.com/collections/light-wing-wing-foiling/products/kt-ginxu-dragonfly-downwind-foilboard
This video is just what I've been looking for, however, i do have a question - how easy is it to paddle a sinker board back to shore if the wind dies? The only reason i ask is that as an experienced 68kg winger who has had the last 2 years on a 55l board, I'm looking to drop to a 45l but worried about the ease of an unplanned swim back to shore!
It will be like paddling back on a surfboard. Always go out as far as you want to paddle back! A good note to always keep in mind if anything goes wrong.
Great tutorial, thanks a lot!
When and why do you recommend a sinker over a 100l board for 80kg person? Should I try soon a little board even in light wind?
Michael, wait for a day when you have plenty of power. It will make it so much easier. After you have it somewhat dialed you can torture yourself in light wind.
It's more personal preference really! Its nice to have a small board for tricks. Down side is in lulls you may be sitting in the water more to get up than the 100L board.
Hey Gwen! Great tutorial. Thanks! For me, after 15 or 20 times pumping to get on foil on light wind days I get fatigued. Any suggestions for on-shore strengthening exercises??
I would say anything interval, high intensity training would help big time, like CrossFit, or even running and cycling if you add some interval training into it. So you get used to intense efforts and get faster recovery between efforts like pumping is. - Gwen
Not quite on-shore, but have you tried dock start pump foiling?
Great video! How much do you weight?
About 160 lbs
@@DamienLeroyUA-cam thanks!! 🤙🤙
Thank you for this great video, congrats 😎. I am 78 kg / 172 pounds, I am using a 75 lt. board at the moment and I can take off in 10 kts and jibe / tack ok. I am dreaming of a sinker board, as a second board for higher winds, I am looking at Cabrinha Autopilot 2022 - what size would you recommend? Many thanks and regards from Italy - please keep the good work !!!
Sorry for the delay! These are always hard questions not knowing someones skill but I would say a 40L-50L should work. I always look for more volume as it just gives you more ease in climbing to the surface. A longer board will also help like a 4'6 - 5'2. I hope that helps.
Does the foil position on the board affect the start on the sinker board? I have not been able to get up on my 42lt f-one and 5m wing
When i manage to get it out of the water i am not able to pump the board well.
I have experience on the foil tow in, kiting and winging on a bigger board.
What do you suggest??
Sure does if the mast is too far back the foil will struggle to lift up! Too far forward and it will be jumping up! A sinker is tricky and needs to get up on the surface and start planing on the water then will foil. Its not easy! If you have heavy back foot you might want to move the mast forward. To me sounds like you can slide it forward. Should help..
I am wanting to get into winging but also proning, I am 70 kg and was wondering how much do you weigh because I reckon anything over the 40 ish litre boards you were using might be too hard to duckdive when proning but would a 40 ish litre be realistic for me to wing. I might be able to duckdive a big board, never really tried anything that size when surfing
Learning to wing foil on a sinker board is not ideal, we can help you pick the right equipment for you, reach out to us through our shop: wingfoilprocenter.com
Thanks for the video, how much lower than your body weight you can potentially go? I'm 70 kg and I have a 29lt surf foil board but haven't tried to wing foil it yet. I'm good level wingfoiler, should I try and is it worth it to go on a very small board? Thank you
The 29L board will work for you 100%. The smaller you go, the more power you will need to get up (more wind or bigger wing). Smaller boards like 29L are actually easier to keep under your feet. 50-60L for your weight is a tricky size because it's hard to keep under water, but it takes less power to get up.
@@DamienLeroyUA-cam thanks for the reply!
@@vasilistsiaras9170 Happy to try and help..
Sweet. How on earth do you get on foil with a 5m in 10-12kn? Do you weigh 50kg or what :-)
Damo, I notice you ride the small Lift prone boards, is there one you prefer for wing? I have the 4.0/28 as my kite board, I’m 77kg and am yet to try this winging. Do you feel that there is a point the volume is too small or is it more about losing the planing area in the underside of the board that is the limitation? It seems like there is a bunch of thought going into the underwater shapes of bigger boards whereas this is rarely mentioned in the blurb about small boards. In short, IYO is there a volume/surface area happy medium? Tom
Friend, I use the 4'4 44L board form LIFT and love it. As you get better you can run smaller boards but saying that the trend keeps going up in volume even myself as I can do all the tricks with more volume as the boards are getting smaller say 4'6 with 50-60L and so on! Making it easy to do the tricks and easier to ride in lighter conditions and make getting up easier. I would at 170 lbs, start with a 100L board it will make learning winging much easier if you start on a smaller board, it just will be more challenging and take longer for sure. Reason why most don't talk about smaller boards. Unless you live in a place that is blowing like 30-40MPH then you have power.
I bought a new -20L board. After my first session, I found it very difficult to balance with your technique (I don’t place my back foot on the board but my knee). The board sinks halfway (I weigh 61kg and have a 42L board). Is it the wrong volume or just a matter of balance and practice?
J'habite a Marseille ❤
Everything is possible, but 20L is a small board and you would need lots of wind or power 100% to get you up! I think the 42L would be a lot easier. Practice makes perfect but if you were trying in lighter winds it would be challenging.
@@DamienLeroyUA-cam
"I didn’t express myself clearly. I weigh 61kg and have a 42L board, so -20L compared to my weight."
@@giovannifumelli3386 Yea no matter all sinker boards are much harder than having volume. If you go too small you struggle to even ride no matter your weight. 20L board unless you have tons of wind is always going to have a little challenge no matter your weight. As you have to climb it to the surface with power then get up on foil.
@@DamienLeroyUA-cam so i have to pratice. Let's goooo
If you can't gybe with a 100% success rate, you will probably get very tired! Impressive you can balance and speak in the chop!
Yep 100% it will be a lot of water starting if you are still crashing on gybes. :)
Hi guys, I'm new to wing foiling but on a budget. There is a local selling an older "2019" neilpryde glide surf size large foil kit barley seen the water. Could you learn to wing foil on this? It was a popular wing back a few years but are newer foils much easier to learn on? The wing is 1700-1800cm2 and I'm only 65kg (143lbs) thanks.
Andrew it can work for sure but there are better ones on the market now. It will need a little more wind. I hope that helps.
@@DamienLeroyUA-cam thanks for your thoughts, think I'll look at axis or North sonar. Plenty of used gear available once I started looking
@@andrewjamez Make sure to do your research there is a lot of used gear for sure, but a lot of gear that will make learning a lot harder and longer. Have a great day!
I’m 155lbs and trying to get my 32 l prone board up with 4.5 A wing in 12-25kts wind. Do u think it’s possible? I’ve spent three hard days trying. More can get board almost to surface, but it’s frustrating and very difficult haha
It’s definitely possible, just takes time to master, keep at it! 👊😁
44l, 10-12 kts, 800cm², Wing 5m², bravo. Quel est le poids du rider?
Environ 70kg
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Jesus, 15 knots and on a sinker with a 4m wing?? I couldn’t even get on the foil on a 130L board with that. I’d have my 6 or 7M out for that light wind.
You will get it buddy takes time...
I mean… look at the guy! The bulk of his fat is entirely contained in his bones! 😮 if any !
Might as well just pump foil waterstart in deep water without the wing. I’d like to see that.