Just got home here and beautiful San Antonio Texas...saw that Dustin Abbott had a new video out, made a tasty beverage and sat down to watch. Great video my friend 👌🏾
Thanks Dustin. As you have emphasized, the fact that third party auto focus lenses in the RF mount are becoming available is very important news for those who have embraced the Canon Eos R. It is interesting to note that last year at this time many were bashing the Canon Eos R as being well behind the Nikon Z and perhaps not worthy of purchase. Canon has supported the Eos R with a series of important updates and one has little trouble seeing that the opinion of the camera has improved dramatically. The importance of third party RF glass should not be minimized.
I was looking at the Canon R, because the price was nice. But I decided against it, because I did not want a full frame body without stabilization. Later, I seriously checked out the Canon R5, because it has great video features high on my list. I was getting quite serious about it, until I looked at the available native lenses. Not one bright wide or ultra wide lens. Nothing. Not even on Canon's road map. *In the end, it was the lens availability* that made my decision for me - never mind that I prefer the Canon's user interface, general ergonomics and the fact, that the Canon R5 had the overall more complete mix of video features.
Hey could you please do the review of the RF 16mm f2.8 STM!? I saw a bunch of them, but none talking about using threaded filters, since 43mm is not so usual size.
Super looking forward to part 2 if u haven't uploaded it could u possibly throw a quick vlogging test in i'm really interested in picking this up for the RP just to vlog with... Thank you
Awesome videos with really helpful comments for buying lenses! I am now subscribed! I am looking into buying Samyang AF 14mm F2.8 RF - in the video, you say that the auto distance scale does not show up. I use my camera mainly for astrophotography and I have only done it few times with the rented 15-35mm Canon lens! The auto distance scale on the display helped me a lot there... How do you figure out whether the focus has been set to infinity if the auto distance scale does not show up? (I use EOS-RP and 15-35mm Canon is way out of my budget!)
I just checked, and no, there still isn't an auto distance scale on my R5 and with the lens updated to the most recent firmware. The focus guide does work, however, so that will help for astro.
If I dont care about AF, and image quality is more important, should I go for this lens or the Nisi 15/4? And no, I dont plan on doing Astrophoto either. Thank you for all the in-depth reviews and tests
7 days Ah drat ... next week can’t come quick enough as looking forward to the image quality and video performance test. Samyang first with a AF RF lens. I hope they push out more lenses like this ASAP
Saving for this lens now. I love my canon 10-18mm f/4.5-5.6 stm lens, but it struggle in low light. Hopefully the Samyang does a much better job for vlogging?
So with the just announced R5 and R6 I'm looking at switching over to Canon, opinions on using this Lens at a wedding reception? Thoughts? Thinking of the R6 for the theoretical better low light performance (and cheaper) with this 14mm lens, the 35 f1.8 and upcoming 85mm f1.4, thoughts and opinions please?
I swear I'm not senile, but I watch some of your videos more than once! I'm still debating if I should get the Samyang now or wait for enough spare cash for the Sony 14mm, given that the Samyang does not benefit from focus breathing compensation for video use.
My videos tend to be dense with information, so it stands to reason that multiple viewings might be necessary if you're really trying to make a difficult decision.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thanks for the info I have the IRIX but use it only for low light and astrophotography and it is adapted to the R body. I bet IRIX will be follow in the near future. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
Hi Dustin, just a quick question, regarding the new samyang AF14mm RF, compared to the AF14mm EF (canon) from a pure lens perspective, is there any difference ? or it's just the mount which is different ?
There is a difference (though I haven't used the Canon version). They don't have the same optical formula or even the same angle of view. This lens is more similar to the Sony FE version.
How would you say this lens stacks up against the samyang xp 14mm 2.4 ? I use it on the Eos r and its a beast to the say the least, would like a 14mm in native rf mount but would need a lens on par with the xp. also Merry Christmas :)
I have the EF and using the RF adapter, it works well but you loose some auto functionality. Using the focus peak function on the canon R really helps as a starting point for infinite focusing along side using the digital zoom focus to fine tune you really end up with a decent setup. I am also curious how this compares to the RF version optically. One thing I hope they have improved in is vignetting. I really have to clean up some of my image edges with this lense post processing, but not so bad to to be discouraging, I am just very picky with my images.
I have been using the RF MF 14mm f2.8 and really enjoy it. I do find manual focus is easy on the EOS R, however I would like to sell my MF lens and upgrade to the AF mainly for exif data and ease of correction in post. This also looks more compact than the RF MF lens, that lens is just the EF version with a adaptor tube screwed on.
It means that the camera can pretty much focus in the dark. To illustrate what it means, underexpose a shot by 5 stops (that's -5 EV) and see how dark it is. That's the conditions this combo focused in.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thanks for the answer, but I still don't understand. Underexpose by 5 stops compared to what settings? ISO 100 and a certain shutter speed at full aperture?
Set the camera on auto, note the settings, and then switch to manual. Start with those settings, and then increase the shutter speed 15 "clicks" (there are three clicks per stop of exposure). Take the photo with those settings - that will show you -5 EV.
@@DustinAbbottTWI I know very well how a camera works ^^ you didn't get what I meant. I don't know how to ask it differently, but thanks for your time. Ev is not a measure of luminosity, but a reference to the correct exposure. Your focus point don't care about your final exposure, but only the luminosity of your scene. For me a correct indication would be "up to xxx lux" for example, that's what I don't understand.
Good question, but I don't have an answer to it. Such a lens could really help for RP shooters, for example, that aren't looking for a 50mm lens that costs twice as much as their camera!
I have heard about a 50mm F1.8 for RF but with IS. Unfortunately I would imagine this would cost similar to the 35mm, Canon really need a lens for the system around £150
Anthony Teasdale I hope they never do those 50mm at 150$ like the ef... usable from f4 what’s the point of having f1.8? They need a good 50mm like the 35mm
Looks like a great lens. But just can't see myself buying this. A wide angle lens without an easy ability to use a CPL and an ND filter just doesn't make sense. Apart from this difficult rear mounted filter, I can't use my square ND filters. They really need to figure this out.
Unfortunately I didn't get to use that version. From what reviews I've read, however, I'm would venture that this one has better AF and slightly nicer build, but is maybe just a little behind optically.
The Samyang is probably actually the better choice. Much smaller and will work better on a gimbal. I quite like it as a gimbal lens. The autofocus is smoother and quieter, too, which is important for video. I qui
Thank you for reviewing this lens! One question - is this the same optical formula as the old EF-mount Samyang 14mm/2.8 manual focus? I notice they both seem to be 14 elements in 10 groups.
I actually haven't used the FE version, and comparison is a little difficult because you introduce the variable of sensor performance. There isn't even comparable resolution.
@@DustinAbbottTWI nice review! Waiting for part 2. I own an EOS R and I doubt which version I should buy. The EF version allows me to put the canon filter adapter in between. The RF version sounds more logical. (Besides that I might invest in an extra 5d Mark IV because I miss it for wildlife) Any suggestions concerning the version I should buy?
@@DustinAbbottTWI Dustin, everybody knows the extreme sample variation of Samyang lenses, because of lack of quality control. They have pretty nice lens designs. They "can" work. And they always have "nice" prices.
@@possisvideos Hmmm, I'm not sure this is true any longer. I've reviewed about 6-7 Samyang lenses in the past two years, and I haven't seen a dud in the bunch.
@@DustinAbbottTWI this would be really good news! My experience is from 3 DSLR lenses, last in 2017 was the FF fisheye 12mm. All three of them needed 2-3 purchases to get a decent centered one (NEVER ever got a perfect centered one). Our European law (2 weeks free return in Germany) helps here a lot. I use the Sony A7 system since 4 years (now happy with the A7R4). A lot of burned Samyang customers out there... www.possi.eu
Great presentation of the lens, thanks Dustin. Waiting for the part 2!
Thank you. Join me next week for that!
Once again, Samyang ... Savior for beginners for RF.
Let's hope it is coming for Nikon Z as well
That's an interesting point. I haven't heard anything about a Z version, but one would think that it wouldn't be too hard to make happen.
This is the big problem with Z doesn't seem to be any third party stuff on the horizon. Its a real shame.
Just got home here and beautiful San Antonio Texas...saw that Dustin Abbott had a new video out, made a tasty beverage and sat down to watch. Great video my friend 👌🏾
Sounds like 20 minutes well spent ;)
Thanks Dustin. As you have emphasized, the fact that third party auto focus lenses in the RF mount are becoming available is very important news for those who have embraced the Canon Eos R. It is interesting to note that last year at this time many were bashing the Canon Eos R as being well behind the Nikon Z and perhaps not worthy of purchase. Canon has supported the Eos R with a series of important updates and one has little trouble seeing that the opinion of the camera has improved dramatically.
The importance of third party RF glass should not be minimized.
Agreed. I think the Z looked better on paper than the R, but the Canon roadmap has been more compelling thus far.
I was looking at the Canon R, because the price was nice. But I decided against it, because I did not want a full frame body without stabilization.
Later, I seriously checked out the Canon R5, because it has great video features high on my list. I was getting quite serious about it, until I looked at the available native lenses. Not one bright wide or ultra wide lens. Nothing. Not even on Canon's road map.
*In the end, it was the lens availability* that made my decision for me - never mind that I prefer the Canon's user interface, general ergonomics and the fact, that the Canon R5 had the overall more complete mix of video features.
Could be a great 4k lens on the EOSR, since you'll be getting close to a 24mm FOV, as long as you're in a situation where you can control the light.
Right. It's a good foil to the 1.7x crop.
Hey could you please do the review of the RF 16mm f2.8 STM!?
I saw a bunch of them, but none talking about using threaded filters, since 43mm is not so usual size.
I do plan to review the RF lens soon. Thanks!
Very informative. Thank you for your excellent analysis.
My pleasure!
Super looking forward to part 2 if u haven't uploaded it could u possibly throw a quick vlogging test in i'm really interested in picking this up for the RP just to vlog with... Thank you
Are you talking about on a gimbal with the lens facing me?
Doesn’t need to be a gimbal u could just hold it facing and shooting video, that would be great...Thank you.
I just bought it and did an open box first impressions on my youtube channel. LOVE IT!
Enjoy!
Good review Dustin. However, I cant find the lens anywhere, and the Rokinon lens which is the same is also missing. Whats the deal?
Hmmm, it does seem to be missing at retailers. I've wondered where Samyang was going on RF. Nowhere at the moment, it seems.
... Thanks for all your videos. And also Merry Christmas and a happy new year. 🥳
You're welcome...and Merry Christmas to you!
I look forward to a review of the Haida filter set with the sigma lens 14-24, how thick are these filters?
They are fairly thin. Very nicely made.
Many thanks for these important Informations Mr Abbott.
Merry Christmas.
Merry Christmas to you, too!
Awesome videos with really helpful comments for buying lenses! I am now subscribed!
I am looking into buying Samyang AF 14mm F2.8 RF - in the video, you say that the auto distance scale does not show up. I use my camera mainly for astrophotography and I have only done it few times with the rented 15-35mm Canon lens! The auto distance scale on the display helped me a lot there...
How do you figure out whether the focus has been set to infinity if the auto distance scale does not show up? (I use EOS-RP and 15-35mm Canon is way out of my budget!)
I just checked, and no, there still isn't an auto distance scale on my R5 and with the lens updated to the most recent firmware. The focus guide does work, however, so that will help for astro.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thanks! The lens is coming tomorrow! Your reviews helped me a lot in making a decision :) Thanks!
Do you know if the old version Samyang 14/2.8 ED AS IF UMC - Canon EF is working on Canon R, with adaptor? I tried but is not possible. Thanks
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, Very Thanks for all the good videos over the whole Year
You're welcome, and Merry Christmas to you, too.
If I dont care about AF, and image quality is more important, should I go for this lens or the Nisi 15/4? And no, I dont plan on doing Astrophoto either.
Thank you for all the in-depth reviews and tests
7 days Ah drat ... next week can’t come quick enough as looking forward to the image quality and video performance test. Samyang first with a AF RF lens. I hope they push out more lenses like this ASAP
I prefer to take my time and make sure I get it right with my optical evaluations.
Saving for this lens now. I love my canon 10-18mm f/4.5-5.6 stm lens, but it struggle in low light. Hopefully the Samyang does a much better job for vlogging?
Focus is great.
I love looking at peoples bookcases to see what books they collect. We seem to collect many of the same books, brother. Merry Christmas!
Good news about the good news!
So with the just announced R5 and R6 I'm looking at switching over to Canon, opinions on using this Lens at a wedding reception? Thoughts? Thinking of the R6 for the theoretical better low light performance (and cheaper) with this 14mm lens, the 35 f1.8 and upcoming 85mm f1.4, thoughts and opinions please?
This lens should work fine for that application. Focus is fast and accurate.
The distance scale doesn't pop up with non-RF canon lenses as well. I have a bunch of EF lenses and I don't see that scale.
It's true, but they are not native mounts.
Why Samyang stopped selling RF autofocus lenses? At they official page they are not listed? Any patent issues?
is this the same lens as the Rokinon 14mm 2.8 af ef ? I know this Rf but is it the same just a different mount? quiet, quality and sharpness ?
No, it is a different lens. It is optically similar to the Sony FE version, though.
@@DustinAbbottTWI ok thank you I’ll check out that review.
I've been looking at this lens wondering how it would perform for astro/night shots.
That's covered in next weeks episode...so stay tuned.
Can’t wait to see a Samyang RF 85mm f1.4 AF
Me too!
It's up on their site finally!
I swear I'm not senile, but I watch some of your videos more than once!
I'm still debating if I should get the Samyang now or wait for enough spare cash for the Sony 14mm, given that the Samyang does not benefit from focus breathing compensation for video use.
My videos tend to be dense with information, so it stands to reason that multiple viewings might be necessary if you're really trying to make a difficult decision.
Hi Dustin. Good review. How is the lens on vignetting?
If you will watch Part 2 of the review, you'll get all those details: bit.ly/Sam14RFReview2
Late to the review here, will you compare it to the IRIX equivalent?
I have done a few internal comparisons that I'll refer to, but for the sake of brevity in the review those comparisons are brief.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thanks for the info I have the IRIX but use it only for low light and astrophotography and it is adapted to the R body. I bet IRIX will be follow in the near future. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
Wondering the same..
Considering this on Sony. May also get the Laowa 15mm. AF is not that important to me so I'll look forward to the image quality part
That will come next week.
Hi! can you put a Circular Polarizer on this lens? Thanks!
Not easily. There are no front filter threads, so it would take a front filter system adapter.
Hi Dustin, just a quick question, regarding the new samyang AF14mm RF, compared to the AF14mm EF (canon) from a pure lens perspective, is there any difference ? or it's just the mount which is different ?
There is a difference (though I haven't used the Canon version). They don't have the same optical formula or even the same angle of view. This lens is more similar to the Sony FE version.
You're awesome.
Why thank you.
i have one its the fastest focusing Samyang lens i have by far (out of 4 ) also very close focusing distance with decent optical performance.
It’s a shame this lens got shut down by Canon, as it is very useful.
With the attached lense hood, can you use an ND filter?
Not a screw in one. You'd have to move to a rear filter system (which is what I do)
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thanks, I appreciate you taking the time to answer that.
So I looked for the rear ND filter. The only option I found was RF to Ef. I want to get the lense with the rf mount. Is there an option for that?
Is the RF version better than the EF version with adapter on the EOS R? I couldn't tell.
Unfortunately I'm not familiar with EF version, though it isn't the same optically.
How would you say this lens stacks up against the samyang xp 14mm 2.4 ? I use it on the Eos r and its a beast to the say the least, would like a 14mm in native rf mount but would need a lens on par with the xp. also Merry Christmas :)
The XP is optically superior in terms of absolute sharpness.
Superb as always. Can you do a review on Samyang 18 2.8 FE next?
Already working on it, though it will be a couple of weeks before content rolls out.
Is it worth the extra hundred bucks to get the RF over the EF? I already have an adapter for my EOS R.
I don't know for certain. I suspect the answer is yes, but it is worth noting that the EF version is a different optical formula.
I have the EF and using the RF adapter, it works well but you loose some auto functionality. Using the focus peak function on the canon R really helps as a starting point for infinite focusing along side using the digital zoom focus to fine tune you really end up with a decent setup. I am also curious how this compares to the RF version optically. One thing I hope they have improved in is vignetting. I really have to clean up some of my image edges with this lense post processing, but not so bad to to be discouraging, I am just very picky with my images.
I have been using the RF MF 14mm f2.8 and really enjoy it. I do find manual focus is easy on the EOS R, however I would like to sell my MF lens and upgrade to the AF mainly for exif data and ease of correction in post.
This also looks more compact than the RF MF lens, that lens is just the EF version with a adaptor tube screwed on.
There are definitely the advantages you mention. I'm not quite sure how the two compare optically.
Does this lens work with Canon EOS R ? Thanks
Yes it does. I originally tested it there.
What does -5Ev mean for focus point sensitivity? I never understood what those values mean. -5Ev compared to what?
It means that the camera can pretty much focus in the dark. To illustrate what it means, underexpose a shot by 5 stops (that's -5 EV) and see how dark it is. That's the conditions this combo focused in.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thanks for the answer, but I still don't understand. Underexpose by 5 stops compared to what settings? ISO 100 and a certain shutter speed at full aperture?
Set the camera on auto, note the settings, and then switch to manual. Start with those settings, and then increase the shutter speed 15 "clicks" (there are three clicks per stop of exposure). Take the photo with those settings - that will show you -5 EV.
@@DustinAbbottTWI I know very well how a camera works ^^ you didn't get what I meant.
I don't know how to ask it differently, but thanks for your time.
Ev is not a measure of luminosity, but a reference to the correct exposure.
Your focus point don't care about your final exposure, but only the luminosity of your scene. For me a correct indication would be "up to xxx lux" for example, that's what I don't understand.
PAD32: Right. It would make sense to list an absolute value rather than a relative value.
I’m planning to buy this lens, but what about filter? Which you recommend?
I've sent a question to Aurora Aperture as to whether they have/plan to have an adapter for their rear filters available.
Where's the Nifty-Fifty RF mount Canon?
Good question, but I don't have an answer to it. Such a lens could really help for RP shooters, for example, that aren't looking for a 50mm lens that costs twice as much as their camera!
I have heard about a 50mm F1.8 for RF but with IS. Unfortunately I would imagine this would cost similar to the 35mm, Canon really need a lens for the system around £150
@@AnthonyTeasdale Agreed. I think ALL manufacturers are looking at the mirrorless lineup as a cash cow.
Anthony Teasdale I hope they never do those 50mm at 150$ like the ef... usable from f4 what’s the point of having f1.8? They need a good 50mm like the 35mm
@@denyxrunner definitely usable way more opened than f/4. Stop looking at charts, you don't need perfect sharpness to take good pictures.
Looks like a great lens. But just can't see myself buying this. A wide angle lens without an easy ability to use a CPL and an ND filter just doesn't make sense. Apart from this difficult rear mounted filter, I can't use my square ND filters. They really need to figure this out.
I am reviewing a new rear filter system for this lens tomorrow, actually. It works great for ND, though obviously not CPL.
This lens may make me switch to mirrorless. How does it compare to the EF autofocusing version? :)
Unfortunately I didn't get to use that version. From what reviews I've read, however, I'm would venture that this one has better AF and slightly nicer build, but is maybe just a little behind optically.
Dustin Abbott oh so the old formula seems to be a bit sharper. I’ll wait for the image quality breakdown then! Thank you :)
That's based on what I've seen from other reviews, so that may not be accurate since (to my knowledge) no one has reviewed the lens I'm reviewing yet.
samyang 14rf 2.8 best or sigma 20art 1.4 ??
work wedding photo and video
The Samyang is probably actually the better choice. Much smaller and will work better on a gimbal. I quite like it as a gimbal lens. The autofocus is smoother and quieter, too, which is important for video. I qui
Thank you for reviewing this lens! One question - is this the same optical formula as the old EF-mount Samyang 14mm/2.8 manual focus? I notice they both seem to be 14 elements in 10 groups.
It isn't. This is a new optical design (or, rather, the Sony FE version was).
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thank you! I appreciate so much your reply. Have a terrific 2021!
How does this compare to the FE version?
I actually haven't used the FE version, and comparison is a little difficult because you introduce the variable of sensor performance. There isn't even comparable resolution.
@@DustinAbbottTWI nice review! Waiting for part 2. I own an EOS R and I doubt which version I should buy. The EF version allows me to put the canon filter adapter in between. The RF version sounds more logical. (Besides that I might invest in an extra 5d Mark IV because I miss it for wildlife) Any suggestions concerning the version I should buy?
Have you tried their tilt/shift lens?
I have (there's a review on my channel), but I wasn't overly impressed with it.
Thanks for this review. Deff. gonna get this. Perfect companion to my 24-105 RF for those extra wide shots. And no need sell the kidney.
Exactly.
Sorry, the product links show me FE versions some EF but no RF.
That may be true of the Amazon links that don't have the RF version up yet. The B&H link does have it.
This lens seems awesome for $699 Hope the image quality is a good as the focus system
It's a little more complicated, but there are a lot of positives there, too.
at almost 1/4 the price of EF 14MM 2.8L seems like a good performer.
That's a serious factor.
@@DustinAbbottTWI can't wait to see part 2 though.
Mouth- watering lens. No Samyang lenses on me, shall I begin buying them👉? thx for the review.
It's appealing for the focal and price. A lot of recent Samyang AF lenses have been excellent choices.
@@DustinAbbottTWI once again- thx
Dustin you are the man ..
Thanks :)
Wow awesome. :) reviewd
Thanks for the feedback!
Nice
Thanks
I hope samyang puts out more af lenese
Me too! They've been doing some solic work recently.
I had an interest in the Canon R, which lasted until I looked at the available lenses...
Hi Canon, bye Canon..
Unfortunately Canon has thus far been pretty closed to third party lenses, and the first party lenses are expensive!
@@DustinAbbottTWI and only very few native for the R...
"It could be a nice lens". If you throw away 50%-70% of the production.
Hmmm, I'm not quite sure what you are referencing here.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Dustin, everybody knows the extreme sample variation of Samyang lenses, because of lack of quality control. They have pretty nice lens designs. They "can" work. And they always have "nice" prices.
@@possisvideos Hmmm, I'm not sure this is true any longer. I've reviewed about 6-7 Samyang lenses in the past two years, and I haven't seen a dud in the bunch.
@@DustinAbbottTWI this would be really good news!
My experience is from 3 DSLR lenses, last in 2017 was the FF fisheye 12mm. All three of them needed 2-3 purchases to get a decent centered one (NEVER ever got a perfect centered one). Our European law (2 weeks free return in Germany) helps here a lot. I use the Sony A7 system since 4 years (now happy with the A7R4). A lot of burned Samyang customers out there... www.possi.eu
I see. I've seen this in the past, too, to some limited degree, but not for a long time. I don't think this statement is true any longer.
"this isn't a very wide focal length"-Dustin Abbott
Maybe a bit out of context.
@@DustinAbbottTWI :D maybe
👍👍👍
Thanks
samyang on the right choice, sigma on tough hands
I'm a little confused by this.
Amazing. I would love to play checkers on your floor.
LOL
这做工，劝退！