Elon Musk's Controversial Plans To Fix Twitter
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Elon Musk offered a deal to buy Twitter. While this sparked heated debates about the intentions of the richest man on the planet, Xisuma takes a look at what is behind Elon Musk's claims to fix Twitter.
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00:00 Elon Musk's Takeover of Twitter
01:15 Twitter's Public Algorithm
02:18 Scam Bots & Twitter Fake Accounts
03:50 Elon Musk's Claims In Perspective
04:46 Free Speech on Twitter
05:30 Misinformation & Fake News on Social Media
06:51 Removing Ads & Twitter's Revenue
07:58 Edit Tweet Button for Twitter
09:22 Free Speech on Twitter is Complicated
10:15 Elon Musk's Confirmation Bias & Echo Chamber
11:26 Elon Musk Twitter Deal - Opinion / Thoughts
#ElonMusk #TwitterTakeover #xisumasays
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Twitter estimates spam, fake accounts comprise less than 5% of users | Reuters
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Musk threatens to walk away from Twitter deal | AP News
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Elon Musk Threatens to End Twitter Deal Over Lack of Information on Spam Accounts | WSJ
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Elon Musk talks Twitter, Tesla and how his brain works | LIVE at TED2022
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Statista.com - Daily active Twitter users worldwide | WSJ
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Bill Gates Says Elon Musk Could Make Misinformation Worse
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Either musk fixes Twitter or he kills it. That's a win-win if I've ever seen one.
That’s not a win you’re seeing, it’s the false dichotomy fallacy! They’re easily mistaken in the wild.
He could keep it alive without ever fixing anything, he could fix some things and ruin others. He could push his political agenda through it more efficiently. There are too many ways to count in which he could mess up twitter just enough to not kill it.
@@nuloom At the very worst, nothing happens. Maybe he tries to push his political agenda and piss off some twitter users. Ill admit that my comment was a little too watered down, but overall, elon must buying twitter is much more likely to do good than harm. Twitter has been bad, and would've likely remained bad under the original management. Elon musk buying twitter, love him or hate him, represents a major change in how twitter operates. Twitter is near rock bottom. Any change will either improve it, affect nothing, or make it worse, but you can't ruin a shithole. Anything bad for twitter just adds to the soup of bad, and means next to nothing in the grand scheme of things. It doesnt matter who is buying it or whether they are good or bad, the chance of fixing it, however slim, is worth it.
@@dumbbass8867 i’m not sure i agree. i don’t enjoy the app myself, but i think it’s not the worst one out there. personally i’d say it’s a slight improvement over Reddit at its current state because at least by trying to fuel rage, it confronts people with alternate opinion. Sometimes that’s a problem, like ‘how about we have a discussion whether this minority deserves human rights’, but other times at least it doesn’t really submerge you into an echo chamber *entirely.* Just mostly. i think you’re underestimating twitter and overestimating the public’s ability to have taste or make changes quickly over tolerable inconveniences. i mean, 4chan still exists, and (apparently) without paying a subscription you have to solve an interactive captcha to post anything, not to mention the atrocities that come out of peoples keyboards there are probably the worst on the easily accessible internet.
doubts aside, i sure hope you’re right. It’d be nice to preserve some advantages of twitter (like a profile timeline that doesn’t pressure artists into wasting excessive time on their work like instagram) and have a platform where a discussion is,,, somewhat tolerable.
@@nuloom a lot of people use the term "echo chamber" when really we're talking about a platform where people just want to meet up and discuss a specific topic. I'm not sure why that's a bad thing. Reddit has specific forums for specific topics. That's literally it.
And when can "echo chamber" become "not wanting to be harassed by aholes?" because if not being in an echo chamber means constantly being told im going to hell for existing or that my profession is part of a global conspiracy to vaccinate people so we can... *shrug*.... then maybe I'm fine with a bit of echo chamber.
Musk is a fascist
My issue with Musk is that people consider him to be different from other billionaires because he has le funny twitter account. It’s the same as a company having a twitter account that pretends to be hip and relatable.
That's an interesting take. I don't know if I think it's an act because his cringe level of comedy seems to be pervasive throughout every interaction. But I see your point still.
its a nebulous game to decide which pigeonhole anyone deserves most. i think he's an interesting person who happens to be a billionaire due to the his habit to only crazy ideas that, if they work, can actually make money
And all of his scams
@@FidgetSpinoza Which crazy ideas? He's much closer to an Eddison than a Tesla. The things he claims to have started, either began in science fiction or they're just claims like Tesla (cars)... he didn't found it but claims to be the founder in interviews.
@@cencent2189 thats the thing, he makes ideas into reality. Ofc i didnt care who tf this all billionaire, if its benefits me idm
For those criticizing the use of the word 'takeover', this is a common business term, not politically fueled criticism
Thanks for the clarification!
This format is really nice for different types of debates and talking points. I would not mind seeing more of this type of content alongside stream clips that go on random tangents like usual.
Although this script structure sounds good and makes a good watch , there's something about hearing you speak your mind in the moment which just adds a sense of realism to the channel
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Interesting thread (avid comment reader)
Good thought. ( Elon musk here)
I really like this much more scripted and carefully thought through approach to making content on this channel. The conversations in the clips from the streams have always seemed very flimsy to me and doesn’t give a wide assessment of the issues discussed. This format however does do that and it would be fantastic to see more of it!
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@@xisumasays The editing was really well done aswell love to see Xisuma expanding his content like this!
While i love the editing this video have i would'nt like it to be the usual this is dependent on xisuma purpose of this channel whether it id to vent out thoughts on the spot or is it to make a construct argument/views on a current topic
The echo chamber effect is a really, really big issue. All you get is confirmation, nothing to make you think. There are at least three significant groups are being left out of any discussion that takes place on social media. The older a person, the less "techy" a person and the more destitute a person, the less likely they are to be on social media.
Over 61% of Twitter users are under the age of 34 years old and about half of those are between 13 and 24. That is a very large number of users that don't have a lot, or any, real life experience. Theres a reason why every culture in every part of the world through history has had respect for "elders". Life experience counts for a LOT.
It's just like playing a game online. Buncha 16 year olds yelling and cussing at everyone with no respect to anyone or accountability.
The less techy people is kinda self-explanatory. Don't have much tech and don't know how to use or don't care to learn to use the tech they have Lol.
The more destitute of us is also kind self-explanatory. Can't afford a device or don't have constant and reliable access to the internet.
I'm not old but I hope to be some day. Lol.
The thing I don't like most about the echo chamber effect is that the opposing views get down voted to oblivion. You only see the comments that have the most upvotes. Reddit doesn't even show the most down voted comments unless you click on them.
Truest thing ive read in a while.
The algrorithms are made to make the person stay on the platform as long as possible. This creates these eco chambers that only promote the thinf you want eich creates a false reality completly disconected from real life
Yeah I really hate it even more when I see it in action; someone makes a valid point against the videos in question and they get comments shunning and insulting them _without_ being at all helpful nor providing any explanation, and it is absurd...
Pity more old people aren't on twitter to share their insight with us
I think twitter specifically isn't as problematic with the echochamber. The reason there is so much fighting, drama, and cancelation on twitter is because people get exposed to views different than their own.
A thought about edit buttons, the message should be available, whether it's a button to see the message before and after edit, or if it just shows both
This is really important as it would allow people to change what they said for PR
I'm tempted to edit the message without changing anything so it has the edited tag, lol
@@l2mloyalty929 you'll lose the like from Xisuma
Censorship is not the issue, nor bots, nor anything Elon wants people to focus on. The real issue in social medias (and I’ll include YT, FB and twitch) is the lack of transparency. It is reasonable to have those platforms enforce their own policies. The problem is that you never know really which policy you’ve broken. If you can’t trust the fairness of the system, you don’t care about breaking the rules. Try living as a law abiding citizen in a country ruled by corruption, and you’ll understand what I mean.
Exactly!
When the regulating entity is corrupt, fairness and rules have very little in common, and the opacity of the systems doesn't even allow to see the rules at play, so everything is a mess.
Very true! But on the other hand, social media websites that do have full transparency like mastodon barely have any users and really struggle to become mainstream. So it's also partially a consumer problem, where they/we prefer the convenience of an already popular platform with no transparency above a new platform that has less users but full transparency
Even if the Twitter deal falls through, the statement of this whole purchase attempt (whether it goes through or not) would/has change(d) alot of questionable policies and also it brings to light certain issues, for example the number of bots found on Twitter was an inaccurate count, and it will force the company to focus on the problem that this revelation causes due to loss of advertising, marketing, verifying, etc.
You make the valid point that without other people having a way to affect the policy of the company via advertising there isn't any way to hold Elon accountable, but are the advertisers really the people who should be there to hold him accountable?
Lots of corporate entities were(are?) invested in twitter despite it not being profitable for them to do so, because the value of twitter isn't in the investments, but in being able to affect the content moderation policies of twitter. It's never a good thing to have one man in unchecked control over something as powerful as twitter, although I think that's better than having that control open to whoever has the money to get on the board of directors.
On the issue of user safety, I think that those issues should be dealt with in the law and not by twitter policy. Under common law, you're allowed to express your ideas, so it's perfectly fine for me to say "I think Jerry did this horrible thing that would end his career", but if I insteadclaim "Jerry did this thing that will end his career", then Jerry could sue me for defamation because what I said went beyond expressing an idea and became something that affected him in a terrible way.
Twitter can't possibly go through cases like that in sufficient nuance, so it should be left to the courts, as that's their primary purpose. While I'm personally not too concerned about user safety, there is one thing that I do think should be enshrined into law as a way to protect people: doxxing. There will always be people who try to expose those on the fringes and the extremes, and extremists who see that they're having their activities exposed might try to silence those going after them with force. Because of this, I think that serious consideration should be put into how the law can stop doxxing without affecting free speech.
You’ve made some great points. You have a pretty relatable perspective for me
Can imagine e the courts trying to keep up with that amount of litigation? And what harm can be done in the meantime, while waiting for the "courts" to sort through it. A call to action by any extremist could ruin, or even end, lives, long begore the courts could even get involved.
@@michaelalan4705 Yeah, there just aren't currently existing systems made to deal with the volume of unique cases that mass social media creates in a comprehensive, flexible, and fair(ish) manner, and as another idiot on the chain, I don't even have an inkling of a clue about what could possibly help :/
@@michaelalan4705 and yet you'd entrust a for profit company to make these judgments in the place of the law? That sounds like oligarchy to me.
I agree, everyone does have bias, including the current heads of Twitter. Whatever happens, I believe we need as many different opinions from the heads of companies as possible, to let free speech be preserved. I'm interested to see what happens, whether Musk buys it or not, I just hope more voices are allowed to speak
The edit button isn't rocket science. Reddit figured this out a long time ago by just having it so that if you edit a post, it says that it's been edited. If you want to take that one step further, then editing will leave in the edits with a red line theory or something, basically as if you were doing copy editing. Again, these are problems there well understood in analog space. I don't know why it's so goddamn hard for Twitter to figure it out.
Twitter is allready a hellhole. Either it gets worse and people leave, or it gets better. Both options sound good to me.
I think after an edit has happened there should be a viewable history of what the tweet was previously.
Before you even start to consider his proposal for how he plans to deal with twitter, you first need to consider if his claims should be trusted at all.
Look at all his prior claims about revolutionary things he proposes, with so many being nothing but vapourware to prop up his wealth.
You have him reviving the 100 year old idea of vacuum trains, which lead to lots of false hype for his tunnel boring company (which even discussed making the tunnels hyperloop compatible) which also made a bunch of promises they have completely failed to deliver on.
You have him promising solar roofs, even having a fake demonstration of it to sell his company and make money.
You have him promising tesla trucks, and all sorts of things, with really short deadlines, and repeatedly failing to deliver.
He is a snake oil salesman, so why should it be different with Twitter?
Sure, he can claim he will get rid of all bots, but how? Does he have a plan, or is it just another empty promise to pretend to be the saviour of the world and make more money?
Or will he be more sneaky, and demand lots of private information from you to link your account to your real identity in a manner that you can only have 1 account?
Or will he make it a paid service, where you need to pay a decent amount of money for an account, so a spam bot account wouldn't be worth it.
Wait wait wait. So you mean that every idea someone makes, dosent suceed?? Whhhaaaaat thats crazzzyyyyy. Its almost like testing is an important way to see if the idea is good or bad.........
@@filip9564 No, I mean he repeatedly makes promises he cannot deliver, with plenty of them being quite stupid on face value.
Perhaps he should try testing the idea before promising it.
Perhaps he should try to make realistic estimates instead of pure fantasy.
Perhaps he should have actual working models, rather than just lying and pretending he does to save his failed business and his personal money.
@@filip9564 The issue is not "having an idea and failing at executing it", the issue is the amount of propaganda and promises around said ideas, _before_ testing their feasibility.
Hmmm, I feel like I'm partially repeating your comment, could you clarify to where your mockery and intent are being directed?
6:53 me on a vacation in Czech Republic being confused
Ill be honest, twitter being gone would be a blessing
He did promise to make their algorithms open source which would make biases more transparent and ban bot accounts from the platform. Which if he does follow through would be a win in my books.
It would be ridiculously easy to have an edit button and simply hide the original text until a viewer clicks a button to unhide it if they so wish. With this in mind, criticism over the edit button removing accountability are ill-founded as this would give evidence as to what exactly the author was trying to change
I am really happy you are moving forward with your content and making this kind of videos
hope everything goes well for you mate
It needs a edit log, so people can see the original post/message.
As far as the edit button goes, it should be completely fine so long as they have an edit history button that shows the contents of past edits.
For retweets after edits, hide the retweet and inform the people who've retweeted it of the edit and then they can either choose to add the edit to the retweet or delete the retweet.
If accounts are abusive with the edit function, simply restrict their account like any other rule break and if they are found abusing the edit button frequently then either suspend their account or suspend their editing permissions on the account.
Love how perfectly ironic the "It's not rocket science" is.
Yeah, it's much much harder than rocket science. It's social science!
That phrase really has been changing meaning into its counterpart over the last few years and I love it!
That is a very good take. I really appreciate the level of thought and maturity you put into your videos. Sending support! :)
I feel like this more documentary type feeling video is rather well suited for this. Nice one fellows
First time I’ve watched one of your videos in this format, love it! I’d be interested to see what other topics you bring up.
Love the format of this video! It's really clear that thoughts have been thought through properly and written down. It also feels more genuine somehow which has a good vibe to it.
this is the kind of video I like to see, no bias, no calling out other people for different opinions, just all the facts. We need more videos like this in the youtube debate space.
There is no such thing as no bias
Twitter is not important.
Thank you for this. Very helpful!
One person owning a platform is an issue! Says the bezos owned washington post.
yes and WP has lost all credibility it had left too.
My thought on this is that it could be a good thing
the world needs change and Elon can offer it, but if he did or didn't buy Twitter I think the situation will be relatively the same either way
also I don't use Twitter, so what do I have to lose
I don't think Elon is the best person for change. Considering the change he has brought already. Some are good like with Space X (to some degree 3D printing rockets is unsafe). But most are questionable at best. Like tesla cars are battery powered but, from what I've heard, you need to buy upgrades for the battery, which is software. They're also unsafe and turn the auto pilot off before an accident on purpose.
Not only that but he lied about the Vegas loop, he kept downsizing the idea until it was nothing he promised ppl. Not to mention extremely unsafe without even fire exits.
But other ideas are just horrible like the hyperloop, which for safety, economic, feasibility, and maintenence issues is a bad idea. If there is a leak while anyone riding it is dead, because they hit a wall of air. The leak would also take an extremely long amount of time to fix. And feasibly it's next to impossible, buying all that land to be able to go through would be extremely difficult and the cost would be exorbitant.
The ideas he proposes are generally good looking as a concept but hardly realistic.
I have a question for Xisuma. If you could change anything on one spacific social media app, what app would it be and what would you change? Also I really enjoy the scripted video, I feel it puts a lot more detail in.
This video boils down to "Elon Musk is probably stupid, so I'm going to assume the worst possible outcome for all possible features associated with him".
A year later, he's demonstrated that every single one of these concerns wasn't worth the time it took to make this video.
The solution to editing and accountability is versioning and the ability to look at older versions and see which version come one replied to.
I just want to know if the deal is going to go through and if he’s going to pay $54.20 per share.
All the rest is useless information.
I do agree with a lot of the points of the videos, in general Elon's offer (to me) comes off as an obvious PR/Marketting move: a lot of claims to get users' attention without much actual practical solution to the problems he mentions
Here are a few additional thoughts:
-One key point that makes the Open Source idea fall appart entirely is SECURITY. Making even part of Twitter's code openinly accessible is begging for people with bad intention to dig through it and find as many exploits as possible
Not to mention that for someone who is so open about his hate of bot accounts, he would make the job of people making those bots infinitely easier, imagine being given the exact formula to get your content trending/more distributed
-From a French perspective, the America-centric vision of internet's Free speech was always odd to me, as mentioned by X, there are a lot of different laws, and in fact France does have laws that openly ban hate speech, unlike the "Free speech absolutist" vision Musk and other fans of the US first amendment hold, yes debate is of course possible in France, but slander and hate isn't, it's not a constructive discussion when slurs etc. are used
Knowing that Musk has been open about his support for Trump, one can easily guess what kind of "Free speech" would be promoted
-I also agree with the Financing aspect, knowing that even the biggest tech companies (google, Facebook etc.) heavily rely on publicity, it is ludicrous to think any plan could entirely replace such income, just look at UA-cam.
-An Edit button is indeed very dangerous on twitter if not handled properly, and again adds to my sentiment of PR campaign, with this being mentioned just because Musk knows people have asked for it, without any real thought.
-Lastly I am always critical when Elon is described as smart because of SpaceX or Tesla, not only does he have his share of silly ideas (the underground Tesla Tunnel comes to mind, just build a subway), but more importantly I doubt that Musk actually did much in terms of pactical problem solving, sure he brought in the money for those projects, but the technical achievements are the results of the egineers, R&D departments and other such employees' hard work, it' cs not like every spaceX rocket was exclusively designed from start to finish by Musk like an exaggerated genius mathematician from a Hollywood movie
I enjoyed the context you gave before sharing some of your opinions I feel like it was interesting to hear your point of view even if I don't completely agree with all of them and it was good to hear the prospective of this situation from someone who is not from the USA.
With regard to the edit button, my expectation is that it would work akin to confluence's handling of a page and the version history.
just a quick thing about an edit button
Edits alter RT's, notifies who RT'd the tweet about the edit (giving the option to take it down), puts a "this has been edited" tag on the tweet, and gives an "edit history" so we can see what it was before the edit.
imo not a hard thing to implement, Facebook has done it.
I think one of the things that could be done to improve social media (and UA-cam) a lot is to preference content that produces comments with positive words in them. That would change the meta for content producers and make the platform more psychologically healthy.
Nope
The problem with that is defining positive.
It also quite problematic, with people being positive about misinformation, and negative about real information.
@@jeffreyblack666 There exist neural network models which can classify the positivity or negativity of a statement. Not 100% accurately, but the point is to push for a more mentally healthy environment. I'm certainly not advocating for this to be the only factor in the algorithm. Just that it could be used to encourage more mentally healthy communities.
@@docopoper I'm more concerned with how positivity/negativity can be abused, and how it isn't necessarily indicative of how good the video is, or if the comment itself is actually good.
It could potentially destroy any and all criticism, and it could have anything which is criticised, for the right or wrong reasons, be hidden as well.
@@jeffreyblack666 I mean currently the algorithm just prioritises watch time. I don't think a metric like this would be particularly worse than that. But your concerns are very much valid, and I am of course not in favour of damaging public speech. I'm not talking about censorship though. The algorithm will guide public debate no matter how it's designed. And currently all it does is maximise people's addiction to the platform. I just want to have it care about mental health too.
I actually don’t want an edit button unless it resets the tweet as if it’s new. Maybe then it’s fine but then people may not be able to find the same one later.
I've never used twitter.
I really liked the video it's more in depth than stream Xisuma says.
I agreed with everything you said... now I'm worried I'm in an echo chamber..
I don't get why there is so much drama regarding the Edit functionality... They could just add an Edit History and everything would be fine...
Yes, "edit button" question is very important. As I understood, most of Amazon scams exist only because the seller can edit the product page. So, I'm sure some people will find a way to weaponise it on Twitter too
He is trying to be tony stark in real life, and failing
“Shown his genius”
Lol
The biggest problem is he seems to mistake real people for bots when they disagree with him
You are the best youtuber in my opinion when talking about controversial topics, keeping memes away from the points and considering every side possible
Love the new scripted format, hope to see more content like this,i enjoy the relaxed waffles too but those tend to jump topics a bit and these don't
I thought PayPal was from eBay but became independent later on...?
I hope so
well... yeah
I think the edit button on a tweet should only be available for a minute or so after the tweet
i honestly don't care too much about all of this modern internet shenanigans, but it's very interesting to learn about it and see the opinions of all sides
TBH if you look at it this way,
(know its a bit of a stretch but...)
when building a car,
you dont just need to think about who you build it for,
but every other car on the road.
which means, thinking about the way humans are.
Its possible he has ppl on his team that are qualified to look into how ppl are on twitter.
but may need to pull them from many areas
He may have the resources to try something new.
maybe get close to right,
and encourage other platforms to keep trying.
oh boy, i hope people don't start heated arguments in the comments
And what a fantastic job he's done... /s
I'm actually surprised SpaceX can even achieve sustained flight, considering what a colossal failure Elmo is with The Platform Formerly Known As Twitter
I guess it doesn't matter since the employees got their wish and don't have to work for him any more 😅👍👌
I really appreciate the neutral, multifaceted nature of the video. I haven’t been paying much attention to the topic but I hadn’t really even considered the potential problems with the edit option.
The edit button is also nice if you misspell a word and want to fix it.
that is the intended use of it. but sadly It can easily be abuse.
Your views on techno next?
I really appreciate this video, and I appreciate the more granular approach to the different problems/challenges in the twitter takeover. However one important thing not mentioned is Musk's personal stake in all of this. On one hand, getting rid of spam bots is a great idea. On the other hand, Musk has a history where he tries to personally get rid of one twitter account which is a bot that tracks his plane. This brings some nuance to the discussion: does he want to get rid of spam bots, or just the bots he personally dislikes that are run by actual human beings?
I've seen this thing before on tumblr, where they banned all NSFW content a few years back, because they claimed that would get rid of the spam bot problems. It turned out later that they got rid of NSFW content to appease advertisers and especially the apple play store. Whether getting rid of NSFW content was successful or even effective is another question, but it is important to ask who benefits from a claimed goal.
I know it doesn't sound like a lot in text, but the way you handle complex topics, giving them the nuance they deserve, is just really respectable.
I agree it is a very complex issue and its a serious one at that. But it needs addressed and I would like the really really smart guy who had beat every issue in front of him working on it..
There is no insta fix
Before Elon came along there wasnt really much that needed fixing about Twitter TBH.
I feel that basing the "democracy" on free speech is risky as although free speech is important for a democracy as it perpetuates conversations to grow from it can also do the opposite. This can be seen a lot more in the internet because of anonymity, which makes people less likely to consider the actions of their consequences.
L take
@@filip9564 OK how then can free speech not prevent communication? If ppl can say whatever can't it be used to just insult and stop communication instead of growing it?
That anonymity is a 2 way sword.
Yes, they are anonymous and can say things without needing to fear the consequences.
This means they can say things that can go against the perceived majority opinion without fearing actual backlash against them which could put their livelihood or their lives in danger.
In Germany in the lead up to WWII, how many people actually disagreed with Hitler, but were too afraid to speak out for fear of being murdered?
In China, how may people oppose so many acts of the government, but are too afraid to speak out?
Even today, in allegedly free western societies, with the alleged anonymity of the internet, some people are still afraid to speak out on plenty of issues because they fear public backlash which could cost them their jobs, or actual threats to their lives.
Instead we have people effectively forced to bow down to an oppressive regime of a large public mob.
There's no realistic way in which a nation can fail to have free speech while guarenteeing that people are allowed to say those things which should be said. If free speech is not present, then the regulation of speech falls to some governing body, and the moment that body grows corrupt, you get some pretty serious problems.
Having free speech allows people to say things they should not say, yes, but not having it allows people to force others not to say that which they should say. I would argue the latter is a far greater problem than the former, especially since not having free speech doesn't even guarentee that people can't say things they shouldn't say in the first place (in Nazi Germany, it was perfectly acceptable to say very bad, false things about those people who were eventually targeted in the holocaust).
@@jeffreyblack666 I mean that's not a 2 way sword... that's a positive aspect anonymity has. I'm not saying to get rig of anonymity, I'm saying that anonymity allows for ppl bashing others and preventing communication which is the reason given for free speech in the first place.
What I'm saying is that free speech can't include bashing other ppl as it removes the intention of it in the first place. Another aspect that the internet has is that people don't have to listen and are more likely to want to be right instead of having a constructive conversation.
personally i think the bigger question is whether elon would even attempt to fix these issues at all, IMO i think he just wants it for the sake of owning it.
elon says that he supports free speach except for when his employees use their right to free speech to ask for better working conditions
also elon did not found paypal or tesla, he was a part of a company that was later merged into paypal after he left and he brought tesla from the original founders
When did he say that
The largest platform for spreading political ideas != a factory.
Not comoarable
Tesla was practicaly nothing before musk. He made it grow over 10.000.000%
Dude so many employees are happy working at Space X. It’s a demanding job, but if you enjoy the work and are passionate about it, then it’s for you. There’s no bad working conditions, it’s just pretty demanding and requires internal motivation and a certain mindset. Those who don’t fit in to that shouldn’t work there. That’s how Tesla makes its immense progress while keeping the workers pretty happy
@Ok lol im not talking about spacex here but for them i want you to name 1 engineer that works at spacex, or is it just elon coming up with everything
tesla has a very high rate of workplace injuries and on multiple times workers in factories have tried to unionise to ask for better wages and conditions and everytime whoever was leading those movements to improve their lives they were fired from their roles and internal emails sent to put down any thought of an improvement.
i recommend leaving your twitter echo chamber for a while you might find it interesting
I didnt have twitter,tiktok,facebook and instagram so idk how they 'socialize' but from what i see in yt videos, it seems like open minded people get offended by others open minded people or making a problem out of nothin or just being racist bcs of 'freedom of speech'. Im just glad i stay in yt and discord
Such algorithms have an inherebt problem: We sort of need them because there is too much content that we are not interested in. Having them adapt to us, is, at least for entertainment, actually really desirable. However, with that, one also gets the problematic side of medal, namely political filterbubbles and echo chambers. Removing the filter would make the platform uninteresting due to being flooded with too much content that is not filtered. Making the filter transparent would probably cause people abusing the system to promote scams or similar stuff.
It's not that I dislike open source, but the filter has to be secret to some degree to work properly as far as I understand the situation.
i have a really simple solution to fix twitter:
*don’t use it*
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I just don't get why people use Twitter at all. It's just such a horrible cesspool of negativity. you could say "I love waffles" and someone could say "so you hate pancakes?" No, I don't hate pancakes, pancakes are fine, why the frick are you assuming I hate pancakes?
the truth is that (in my opinion), it doesn't even matter.
freespeech on twitter is pretty much non existent, so elon wouldn't make it worse if he wanted
he also couldn't make it any better, since this all situation is a situation surrounding power and the powerful, and by the laws of power, it holds you from losing it
and even if his actions hurt twitter, that's not a bad thing, since welll... it's twiiter lol, best case scenerio is another app takes it place and becomes just as bad as twitter is in a few years...
so this all situation shouldn't bother the average joe
This video is one of the best on the channel- the video, at least from what I see, is kind of a flop
Regardless, I hope these videos keep coming, because I love this one
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Twitter is a vile place, it be great if he could change it for the better but I’ll believe it when I see it.
Worst Hermitcraft video ever!
Edit: Jokes aside, I cannot understand why people are so unable to simply moderate their own social media. I use some fairly free speech platforms, and when people say things I don't like and if I'm not interested or see no point in engaging them, well I block them. It takes less than a second, and I never have to hear from them again. Ever. How is that SO HARD for people?!
fantastic summary of the dialectic that is going on today
Ploopy
We can only hope he does, it's toxic af.
Free speech absolutist until someone is being a meany about his cars
I'm not a massive fan of Elon Musk, and even less a fan of Twitter.
My surface level take is that the early parts of the deal were very performative and designed to get attention, so my instincts say to look at what _isn't_ getting attention. Upper Echelon Gamers made the argument that his raising funds for Twitter serves to liquidate overpriced Tesla stock. The details go over my head and this is far from my area of expertise, so I wouldn't know how much weight that theory holds.
However, I'm less interested in business interactions and more interested in the mechanics behind how information propagates online. It's changed a lot over the years.
The way that people talk about Twitter I thought that there would be more than 200m people on there. I'm not on there personally but the way that media portrays it, it sounds like Twitter is the most important thing in the world and one man they don't like taking over that it will ruin society
The edit thing you say makes sense but if there's a way to track the edit history of tweets I think it'd be alright. They can change it all the want but 1 click and you can see the history and what it initially said
I just like eating cookies 🍪
The users would hold Musk accountable since we can leave the platform like what's happening to Netflix
id like to bring attention to something, as you've said, the danger of "free speech absolutism" is apparent when hate speech happens.
Elon Musk has made transphobic comments before, and his posture towards them is not precisely friendly. Twitter as is today already has major problems in dealing with Transphobia, like allowing openly transphobic groups to spread their misinformation on the platform. if he gets ownership of Twitter, where does that leave all the Trans users?
As a rocket nerd I like Elon. I don't agree with him in every single point, but overall a think it would be really interesting to have a chat with him. If you don't like him at all there is one thing you have to give to him, he is an extraordinary time manager.
This will be a little bit controversial but for me the work of Elon and many others in Space industry is hope for better tomorrow. Moon, Mars, and beyond. Fusion reactors, technologies that will get us to a better civilization without wars, that's the world I want my children to live in. 95% sure it won't happen because we are humans and in some ways we are still just bloody monsters. If Twitter or something like it is the price to pay, I'll pay it.
Preface: to be clear, this is not an attack against Xisuma. This is my opinions made from research on Musk and what I feel is missed in the discussion that Xisuma presents. This video shows signs of lots of research and thought put into it, as well as a large amount of effort extended to make the subject more approachable and understandable, something I myself lack both the platform and ability to do so.
For a video discussing misinformation, I feel that there is a glaring large amount of information overlooked in this video. While the majority of the content shows the research and critical thinking put into the issues at hand, I feel like you missed a key aspect to consider when discussing the pending deal. That key aspect would be the credibility of Musk himself. You talk about his rhetoric being similar to that of a politician, and also mention the many promises he has publicly made should he acquire Twitter. However, every politician runs on a platform made of promises and how often do they fail to deliver on those promies? To truly look at things objectively, one needs to look into the credibility of the man making these promises and how often he has fulfilled past promises and the integrity of his word. Within merely minutes of research, I personally find his credibility lacking. He is more concerned about the image his is curating of himself than of the actual work he has done. He has rejected the term "investor" being used on his wikipedia page, claims false foundership of Tesla and PayPal, and retitled himself from Tesla CEO to Tesla Technoking. Then we must also consider the controversy that surrounds Musk. He has been called a sociopath by previous employees and associates, has spread misinformation about covid, defamed Vernon Unsworth by calling him a pedo for disagreeing with Musk's idea to use a mini sub to save stranded children and then paid $50,000 to a private investigator to "dig up dirt" on Unsworth, compared Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau to Hitler, stated the US government shouldn't provide subsidies to companies after receiving billions himself in that manner, made misogynistic tweets towards Senator Elizabeth Warren after she stated he should pay more in taxes, threated Tesla factory workings with their stock should they unionize, reopened a Tesla factory in violation of public health orders, runs a racist misogynistic company where sexual harrasment runs rampant and is referred to as a "modern day sweatshop," and has a record of firing people who disagree with him. From a business standpoint as well he has missed countless production deadlines for both Tesla and SpaceX.
For all the smoke and mirrors, Musk is not the genius or inventor he tries to claim to be. He is solely a investment capitalist who makes his money not from his own inventions but from the inventions of others made possible by the wealth he was born into. He has never been and never will be a man of the people because the lifestyle he was born into and has led is an entirely different world than the 99.99% of all other people live. Solely considering his track record of how he communicates with those who disagree with him complete refutes his claims to being a free speech absolutist. While he does bring up good issues and problems that should be addressed, he is without a doubt not the individual with the capability to implement solutions to those problems.
Believe me or not, do your own research and come to your own conclusions. These are things I feel were overlooked and quite relevant to this discussion.
This is a really blatant omission from X's video and it feels almost dishonest to ignore it. Even just based on Musk's history of firing workers who disagree or speak out against him it's obvious that his public commitment to free speech is false.
I feel like this is just part of a much bigger problem that would be tackled in a different, longer video and wouldn't be able be added to this one without making the comment section turn from a civilized discussion into a sea of insults.
My man has been so ADD with his projects and spending lately.
How have you become so wise
zoomavoid
Anyone can notice problems with twitter but Elon has not demonstrated any particular ability making him suited to running a massive social media site and fixing these problems.
Having money does not make him worthy of this role and indeed I think musk's behaviour on twitter demonstrates he is uniquely unsuited to run twitter.
Paypal, Space X and Tesla were not creations of musk's own "genius" but of the collective genius of the many employees under his pay. He didn't even found Tesla, he bought in during the first few years of its operation.
He is just a guy with a lot of money. Nothing else special about him at all.
Hack people can't fix that.
Hate comments are everywhere more than ever.
A large number of issues in this video that you said he has not addressed were addressed by Elon in interviewes when he was asked these questions. I recommend doing more research next time.
Emm xisumavoid nice video but you should really do a background check of Elon's company's, trust me it isn't as glamorous as it seems.
Muh misinformation
Seeing a bias here when comparing it to your videos on the chat report system in minecraft. Several of these are "just technical issues" but you present them as though its very questionable whether Elon will be able to overcome them despite his resources and track record. IE: Bot detection and edit button misuse. Meanwhile despite there obviously being multiple exploits in the chat report system you just brush them aside as temporary issues mojang will definately fix quickly.