John Deere #5 Sickle: The Cutting Edge of 1940
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- Опубліковано 16 чер 2019
- The beauty, the failures (2:19), and what it takes to keep this old thing running (4:47)
We hay 3 acres (up to 7 this year) of loose hay for our small herd of milk/meat dexter cows. We needed an affordable way to get hay in, and this cheap, abused sickle mower fits the bill. - Наука та технологія
Thank you the replacement of the cut head. AWSOME video
Was good to see an old Number 5 again we had one used for cutting hay on our farm the first few years .Dad hooked it up to an A he could definitely do the brake turn !
Replace the rock guards with double point guards and the sickle to smooth chrome sections for grass, underserrated are fpr alfalfa. When set correctly that mower will slice right through already cut hay. When the cutter bar is adjusted correctly it will sound tisk tisk tisk without a loud knock. Should be able to cut in third gear with throttle about 2/3 open.
I just picked-up a Deere #9 semi-mount sickle bar mower for my John Deere 40T. A lot of similarities between your #5 and my #9. Hoping to mow with it for the first time next week. Your vid helped me to make several adjustments I wouldn't have otherwise thought to check!
Those are not just rock guards. They are the second half of your cutting combination. The guards and the sections are like 2 sides of a pair of scissors. Your guards are totally worn out with wide gaps above the sections. Those gaps allow hay to pass through uncut. You're trying to shim the guards to keep the sections close but that's not how your sicklebar is designed. Some haybines have special guards called stub guards that have only a bottom ledger and no top. They use a system of shims and plates to keep the sections snug to the guards and were recommended for tough cutting crop conditions. Even brand new no plain sicklebar will resist plugging on the ends all the time. The haybine solved that by sweeping the crop off the bar with the reel which could also be moved forward and down to help pull up lodged hay like you had.
Pat
That is cutting grass the old way that I grew up with except we used mules to pull the mower. Thanks for the memories of the good old days on the farm. (Mississippi Gulf Coast USA)
When working with used farm equipment there is nothing better than an owner's manual.
First thing you should be doing is repairing the PTO shield. Especially with kids around, it's a death trap the way it is now!
Oh wow….this took me back to growing up on a farm! Dad had a Farmall just like this, same with the sickle, rakes, loose hay loader. 🙂
Great mowing and driving, no auto steer on those old timers. I had a Inter Super AWD6 tractor and towed a New Holland 46 sickle mower, loved watching the cut material falling gracefully to the earth. You have made a great video and great Drone filming.
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it!
Love this video. Subscribed
The reason you are plugging up on the outer end is that the end shoe has a very blunt skid plate that is sliding out in the uncut grass. You have to get that pointed, and adjusted so it slides along under the shoe in the cut stubble.
very nice vid. Thanks for the post
Great work on that mower! It does take a bit of fine tuning. That lodging grass is bonkers! How annoying! Beautiful drone footage!
Great video. Loved the image of the two little ones walking along the cut grass, and "mom" doing all that work with a baby on her back! Also, love the green Chad's shirt!
Still got a no. 5 mower, haven't used it in years, we have wind, lots of wind, so when you are cutting down wind, sigh the hay just bends over. JD used to sell Pittman rods at our dealership, we had a clutch that when you hooked something the mower would "break back" and you would have to stop and back up with sickle down and reset it. Put those double sickle teeth all the way across your sickle, it's pricey but it works better in lodged hay. It's amazing how little HP it takes to sickle cut hay over having a moderner swather that has a reel, auger and conditioner, but I looooove the air conditioning!
I enjoyed this! You have a nice family...
Thanks! We are in the thick of it right now again with an excellent hay season and some better fields- hay as tall as the farmall rear tire this time, and of course more clogs laid down grass again, but still having a blast!
Highly recommend keeping children away from sickle bar mowers very dangerous.
You might want to think about blocking your sickle while changing blades. One slip and it could be devastating they are called fingers mowers for a reason. Your call.
My dad went through near 1/2 doz #5 mowers. He first started ouot, like you as his second tractor, the one I remember most was a 48 H Farmall. I have a 48 H also, just not near as good a lookin as his was. He got it in the mid 50s
The one sickle mower found on about every make of tractor before 1960
That's part of what we love- spares are available locally! Our parts sickle was listed as a "special and rare 4 ft bar" which was really just that the original had been broken and welded shorter.
I have the mower and original owner's manual, much older than the one shown here. It shows mounting brackets for various makes and models of about 1947 and older tractors. It took brackets to mount on a John Deere but bolted right on a Farmall H or M.
I always wondered if anyone else had ever put a #5 jd sickle mower behind a old farmall H. Now I know lol
I have a 1941 famall h with #7 John deere sickle mower
Where can I get a #5 Sickle mower?
I once cut dense Costal Bermuda with a 6' rotatory cutter (Georgia near the Florida line). It was a surprise to me that the mower bruised the hay and it dried in one day but that would be normal for us. The hay was so dense that the MF square bailer we were using would not allow us to wind row at all. The Bermuda was like your Fescue with very long stims. The next surprise was that the Cows would clean it up.
I am 71 years old and have used sickle mowers since I was twelve. Your knife sections appear to be dull. We sharpen about every full day of cutting. Your ledger plates need replacing. They make a world of difference. The ledger on the end shoe needs to be good. John Deere mowers are notorious for clogging there. I cured mine by installing a small plate on the outside of the shoe at 90 degrees to the ledger. The knife section passes on top of the ledger and underneath that plate. This cured 95 percent of the clogs. Ensure your lead is good and you should be good to go. When everything is set right these mowers will cut all day at 5 mph.
Wish I could recall a video where the man had similar problems with clogging on the outer end of the mower. He made a plate that reduced the open area above the blades and bolted it on. With the opening on the outer end reduced to almost nothing then blade operation couldnt push some grass through the opening to start the clog.
That is very interesting. Now I'm wanting to get some more close-up videos of the clogs forming and try to figure out some of these modifications! Wish I had a better slow-motion camera (and a way to attach it).
You should never lower that sickle bar the way she did. The blades move as the bar comes down, and, could easily take a finger off. Always keep your hands o the back of the bar and never underneath it. You also need to be very careful when pulling the bar to teplace a section or a new bar.
Thanks for the concern. We always lower it by flat palming down the bottom of the bar (and only tuck fingers around the back of the bar) because you are right it is very dangerous to handle near the sections- the result of that would be a video we would rather not make!
Do you have a video available on what your process was for constructing the mount on the back of your tractor? We have a 3038e and I am struggling to imagine a competent way to mount the old no 5 on tbere.
Good thought, I'l add that to the list to do in the future. For now I sent you a message on Facebook (I think) and would be happy to send you pictures or videochat how ours is set up.
Had that oddball nine inch tire on it.
I know you are probably being carefull, but kids around a cycle mower make me nervous.
Awesome
What is the part number of the bottom mounting clamp on the sickle mower?
I think it is Z1280H if you are just looking for the little hinged lower closure (a curved bracket with a swinging bolt on the front end of it, about 8" long). Let me know if you are thinking of something else. That is not listed in my manual so I can't confirm, sorry!
blades can be resharpened , there is a special grind stone for resharping.
My Dad had a #5 mower rigged up so he could tow a hay conditioner behind. One or the other was nearly always plugged.
wow grew up on an h with a no 5. memories no hydraulic lift only a foot lift mowed thousand of acres over the years. we put double guard ihc guards on it and it cut like crazy. only draw back was the wood pitman stick i rocky ground
I'm very interested in this as I was pricing out guards yesterday and ran away from it when the single guard cost came out at $350. The double guards would be half the cost. They are a lot skinnier (right?)... should I be concerned about that?
@@cozycowfarm no. Do it. It will cut prairie hay like crazy.
I would love to see more of the New Holland HW 340 swathing machine
I will keep that in mind! It is the neighbor's unit but I can makes sure to get the cameras out next season. Might be able to get a decent tour too.
The worst clogging is a damp mole mound and a guard or guards .
Why don’t you set the mower over to the left so you run the wheel close to what your cutting so you don’t leave the uncut
This year we spaced the wheels out a little more. I think that is helping the inside shoe not clog up as frequently. What seems to effect us more than anything else on what gets left uncut isn't where we run the tractor or the sickle...it seems to be if weather knocks down the grass, which even the large haybine our neighbors have used on our property previously have trouble getting to cut everything when some has been laid over.
hi how many acres do you have and what do you grow or breed?
We have 10 acres, and are picking up the neighbor's 20 temporarily. We have 6 cows (dexter and jersey) that we produce they hay for, chickens, raspberries, blueberries, and are trying to not be terrible vegetable gardeners.
can you live on it or do you go to work?
Now I see that you are saying that you are not farmers
@@jaaak , we do not live on it. We do it on the side of working a job. It is a fulfilling lifestyle and a great way to bring up our kids. It is a lot like how my grandparents grew up and told stories about when I was growing up.
I understand. Cool thing :)
look out for the kids walking around they have a tendency to wander into path of machine
The kids love watching but need someone to monitor them. I like having videos taken to put up here but need a cameraperson. Fortunately "mom" has both of those in the job description!
how i hate pebbles in the grass
Also its alot faster to just raise your bar crank your wheel hit the right brake spin her right around straighten your wheel lower your bar and go without stopping.
Simon is pretty good at doing that. We picked up a little Ford tractor which is easier for me to reach the pedals. I know the Farmall seat position can be adjusted somewhat, but for it to be adjusted right for Simon, I cannot reach the pedals and levers easily.
why not use a haybine?
That would be the smart option! But for 2 reasons- First, cost: we only have a couple hundred in this and repair costs can't go too high, local haybines are a couple thousand for the iffy-looking ones and 2- because our quantities are small, we are enjoying trying to keep everything in our farm to WWII era tech. Well usually enjoying- I can't say there aren't a number of times I have cursed the thing and wished we had a good haybine!
Same thing with using our hay trolley vs. a bailer, see our video on living with a hay trolley
Tell your little secret about a John Deere number 5. Stead of paying all that expensive money for John Deere parts hard to find for that old mower. New Holland guards sections and they are bolt on section and Ledger plates all fit Cutter bar. Your guards are wore out. And your edges are rolled on your sickle blades those are the first two places I would start I can have that thing cutting in a half an hour let you would never believe. Then turn your teeth up a little bit on the front you're too level and you're digging into the dirt occasionally and Rock don't work good bounce into those sickle sections
You don't have your bar adjustment right. Lower your shoes and adjust your bar angle so the guard noses are lower to ground. I've never had that trouble with non standing hay
Thanks, we'll have to give it a try this year! We have tried dropping the bar angle but it tends to bury itself in the turf and fold the bar up in scary ways. But I didn't think about dropping the ride height THEN dropping the noses a bit. That makes sense!
@@cozycowfarm yeah I wouldn't get to crazy with the bar angle. You'll just have to play with it and find the spot that works the best for the ground and hay your cutting. Once you get her set you'll be amazed how them old sickle mowers will go through hay like hot butter. I grew up running a old jd #8 and a jd #5 both awesome mowers and do outstanding jobs in all kinds of hay. Your welcome friend
You might try slowing down at bit. Run your tractor in a slower gear. That grass was out of control.
Often a slower speed makes the grass fall the wrong direction. It is a fine balance of speed to get it right. But mostly it just depends on the type of grass and if we've had wind or rain that knocks the grass down-then it clogs up pretty badly.
ITS ASHAME YOU AINT GOT A HAY RAKE
We run a John Deere rolling bar rake and absolutely rely on it. Then we pick up the hay with a hay loader and run it into the barn with a hay trolley. Those can be seen on our "haying with pre-1950's equipment" playlist here: ua-cam.com/play/PL8kTYh98e3uVx4u0lT5h1azdxFZU164-H.html
Why didn't you just use a bush hog?
A bush hog is great for mulching grass, like a lawn mower. However, we are making hay for our cows. If you watch our other videos you will see the entire process in more detail.
I can see your no farmer
We never claim to be farmers. Just doing our best to run our small homestead.
BTW, it's "you're not your." And sentences end with punctuation in the English language. What a bizarre comment! First, if you watched any of their videos, they actually say right out they "don't claim to be farmers." But since they grow, cut and store all their own hay with equipment they rescue, restore and maintain on their own, they keep their own milk and beef cows, they have chickens that provide eggs and meat, they make their own cheese and grow a lot of their own food, I am not sure how you are offended by the idea that they might be farmers. They are raising children to appreciate hard work and take care of the land and animals. I checked out your video channel hoping it would show us what a REAL farmer is, apparently the Vengaboys "Boom, boom, boom" had nothing to offer.
Where is his "no farmer"? I didn't see it.
@@adriennecharon1276 You're an asshole. Not your channel but you sure go out of your way to defend it. The fellow just made an observation. Sorry his spelling offended you. With that long explanation it's obvious you need to get a life of your own.
City slickers
?? Here is a young family (who, if you watched any of their videos, never claim to be farmers) raising children to appreciate hard work, care for animals and know where their food comes from. I don't know of any "city slickers" who grow, harvest and store their own hay using equipment they have rescued and restored themselves, successfully raise dairy and beef cows, provide their own milk, eggs, cheese and food from a substantial garden and do it all on their own. Perhaps they would be more acceptable to you if they got themselves a Simplicity lawn tractor?
Ya Sure, take advice from someone who doesn't know what they are doing. Sounds about right.