A friend and I tried this once at a sort-of major marathon, one with both world class runners and muppets like us. We wanted a picture of us running in the same frame as the top guys. Unfortunately, there were two problems with our idea. 1) At these races, they enforce seeding at the front of the pack, and only start you up there if you have top-tier previous times. 2) My all-out sprint is about the same as a top marathoner's average pace. We started 200 m behind, stayed 200 m behind for maybe a minute, and then never saw them again. 😂
nah.......I don't think you have clue on how fast some of them go in that first 400 meters......most likely they run sub 1 minute 400 meters...........if you are an average runner chances are you won't be able to run that fast.......read good chance
@@tizioincognito.3330 wont help. Everyones reactions to taking performance enhancing drugs is different, so while you might think you are leveling the playing field you will not. And even then, you will have athletes who will take more than they would be allowed.
@@sportsworld-r3p Of course we are all different and each one of us reacts in a different manner. Allowing doping would be another factor like shoes or the lifestyle or the coach. If you really want the competion to be more equal for all the athletes, they would need to train in one place and have the same lifestyle with the same shoes. But that is impossible. So they need to have all the instruments at their disposal. It is not about education anymore, it is about losing or winning. Prove me wrong.
if you haven't noticed, the entire pro scene is microdosing.... its been so obvious for years now. look at how some people have insane breakthroughs and then disappear never to regain the form they had for 4-5 weeks... to be at the top you've got to microdose at least.
If your talking about microdosing psilocybin or LSD, that's usually a mental health thing. It's not a PED. If someone conquers their mental barriers and overachieves, that's the same as 6 months on the couch or an antidepressant
Runners world study shows 6 percent improvement by using epo. That’s enormous. Lance Armstrong only won the national title once and didn’t even finish the tour until he took drugs. Meanwhile there’s a guy who won the US title FOUR times and never won a stage or finished the tour
Clearly. I believe I commented something of the sort and got jumped of for jumping to conclusions. It's time for people to start using a little common sense. If something or someone seems suspect, start investigating. Treat them as innocent until proven guilty, yet INVESTIGATE the anomalies. Kipchoge, anyone?
He openly cheated when he had a guy on a bike pacing him on the Queensboro bridge. Not only is it against the rules to have a bike pace you, there are also no spectators allowed on that bridge at all. The fact that the race or police did not intervene was highly suspicious to me when I watched the NYC marathon.
He'd be an idiot not to admit it. You can claim to have maybe failed on one substance accidentally due to a tainted supplement, but 3 well-known doping agents at one go? No way that's accidental.
theyre not. you'd have to be incredibly gullible to think anyone is running anything close to 2 hours for the marathon clean. anyone running faster than 2:15ish is doped.
nope. Go back to 1950 to look at pre-PED times. What's that... 2 hours 25 minutes, something like that? And even then there was blood doping (transfusions to increase RBC).
@@kalinasuter6535 Our coach is also a masseur at Kipchoge's camp. Their camp is like an army barracks and people like the coach go in and out on a daily basis. If EK was doping surely everyone else in his group must also be doping and if that were true I find it very hard to belive it could be kept quiet from all the masseurs, people supplying the camp with food etc.
@@kalinasuter6535 I'd say the 2:06 range and below. I mean Abebe Bikilaa won the 1960 marathon barefoot in 2:15:16 so 2:15 isn't out of the realm of possibility.
A BASELINE person can do 350mg/wk of testosterone and have a 50% chance of having an undetectable sample in a WADA test. If you have a high training volume where your natural T is suppressed (which all serious marathoners do) you can get away with much more.
I almost fainted when you mentioned Evans Chebet at the start of this video! Phew. I guess what you said was context for those of us who otherwise would have no idea who do Nascimento was since it sounds like he hasn't finished many big races. In reference to the potty break, I'm an Australian who watched Rob de Castella win Commonwealth Gold after needing a potty along the way so I have a lot of sympathy for racers caught short.
Man this guy was flying on this warm and humid Nov,I took a pic of him all alone around mile 7,I said he was gonna crash due to his pace,course,and weather(he also went out too fast during Olympics). I knew he had talent and could win a major with smarter pacing but I didn't predict this
I was an elite bike racer and there were guys who did the suicide solo break away at the start of almost every race. It never worked. They often failed to finish. Never seemed to impact their decision making process or tactics. I called these guys "low IQ/kg" cyclists 😅
Sheesh, why didn't this guy just hang with the East Africans for the first 25K-30K then kick into a higher gear. Could have won or placed 'top three'. Now all he has is DNF for those races and DNS for 3-4 years of future races.
As a Brasilian this is really disappointing to see, ive really enjoyed watching him race hard in theae big races even when things didnt pan out but this is a bummer Ban should be severe
I love T&F but it has always been the game of who DOES NOT GET CAUGHT gets the medals. I feel that every top athlete is on something no matter what the event.
Man, I love your channel but can you start titling these cheating ones differently? I'm old and when I see the title terrible news my first thought is someone died.
A BASELINE person can do 350mg/wk of testosterone and have a 50% chance of having an undetectable sample. If you have a high training volume where your natural T is suppressed (which all serious marathoners do) you can get away with much more.
Complete nonsense. That's a small bodybuilding cycle amount, easily double a TRT dose. Either of which are clearly detectable, through multiple markers.
As a Kenyan im pissed with this doping cases tarnishing the countries name, this started when foreign coaches started appearing on the scene and some were even doping young ignorant athletes without their knowledge, I remember one young lady crying saying her Italian coach always insisted she take the water he gave her, ofcourse due to the extreme competition in Kenya other Kenyan athletes have succumbed to the vice
It’s a rare day when a cheater admits to doping. They always blame something they ate or drank. I can only recall one athlete that owned up to doping without having tested positive or otherwise being compelled to admit it.
Not only Kenyans. Elite runners from other countries go to Kenya just to “train” aka dope. I believe Eliud fell off bc he stoped saucing due to some of his team mates getting caught.
Kenyan athletes have allegedly ben suspect for many years now: ua-cam.com/video/J0ej5k_SxUs/v-deo.html The athletics federation is turning a blind eye.
I may not be surprised in anyone that is caught doping but some disappoint me more than others. He is one of those. I truly love his going for it like no one else. Most times blowing up, but once in a while it all comes together. That was how I raced. Not the smartest but when it worked it was far better than anyone else that day. So hearing this saddens me a bit more than most others would. Just sad
The difference is Russian athletes were under a state sponsored program, I.e. they were being supplied drugs by their governing body, whereas in Kenya, they’ve acknowledged that doping is an issue and devote a huge amount of resources to cracking down on athletes that are cheating, which is why a lot of Kenyan athletes are being caught. Other countries should follow Kenya’s lead
@@HashBrownDoyler No they don't lmao. People from European countries have literally imported Kenyan blood for transfusions in sports like cycling and distance running lmao. You don't have a leg to stand on comparing them to a country that systemically ensured that their athletes cheated in order to try to win.
Andrew when you talked about when he made that fist to Kipchoge in Tokyo at 3:40 , it's when I actually remembered him, but anyway there's no shortcut to athletics success.
What is the point of having rules if they can be questioned by the offenders and a reduction in the penalty negotiated? A ban is a ban, three banned substances is not an oversite. Why would other athletes fear being caught if they could also be the' inocent' injured party and also let off with a warning or reduction for what is blatently cheating?
I am a practitioner and love running. Unfortunately, this sport has been depreciated for a long time due to doping. So this athlete that you believe to be guilty even before he was judged by the competent agencies, is not the first, is not the only one and will not be the last to use illicit substances.
It's safe to say everybody at the highest level is doping in one way or another. Let's not kid ourselves. It's just a matter of who's doing it best, and who's not getting caught.
I remember this guy! I'm so bummed cause his run was so fun and outrageous. I thought he was just juiced on CRAZY... but it turned out he was just JUICED?
@@julioalvarez9650 People are struggling with the economy around the world, unless PEDs are a lot cheaper than I realize, I can't fathom how people would be justifying spending money on PEDs if they're not close to elite level.
This is sad news for Brazil's track and field community. There had been some suspicions around him for a while now. Firstly, his gf/wife got caught while training in Kenya by a test prob led by an anonymous report. After that, the dopping agencies thought about screening Daniel. Secondly, he didn't compete in the Pan American games where he would probably be tested, even though he was in the games hotel and fully registered to run the 10k. Later his excuse was that he took the wrong bus and arrived late to the race. The truth of the matter is if his gf hadn't been caught he would probably walked way free.
His team posted a statement saying he is basically contactless right now. They explained that he has been dealing with serious mental health issues for the past few months and missing the Olympics it isn't the biggest concern; his mental health struggles seems like far more severe than missing the Olympics. Also, his legal team has been unable to contact him. Seems like he's in real trouble and it’s worth noting that the test was conducted in Brazil. Considering the upcoming Olympic marathon in less than a month, it seems unlikely that he was supposed to be in Brazil training right now.
Back in the day when I was competing in marathons, I was offered the opportunity (by a well known sports doctor) to be a guinea pig for some new drug. I had nothing to lose, so took the jab (this was before drug testing was an issue). The shot was remarkable even though I only tested it on a half marathon & a cross country event. So I tried it before a full marathon, & ended up like this guy. Sure, you can get a lift and it's a fantastic feeling when everything is working, but once the juice runs out, you simply crash & burn, just like this guy did. Whether a bigger dose would have enabled me to last the distance, I'll never know as I never tried anything like that again.
They are not taking banned substances. Guess they are taking stuff which is not banned yet. Or some other trick to not detect it. The other possibility is that they sometimes do get caught but shoved under the carpet. A lot of money is at stake.
Olympics sports like running and swimming are, and were always drowning in ban substances. Back in 1976 Olympics, the East German female swimmers, which won almost everything, were all on ban substances. East Germany had a National doping program. Technnology in doping is much more advanced than the screening. And countries will hide doping test results to win medals. In this instance, I'm really not intested in any sport requiring endurance or strenght like powerlifting, because you can be sure participants are all on performance enhancing drugs.
Whatever your thoughts are about the financial incentives v. doping - those images of that guy - on two different occasions - passed out on the street should disturb everyone. That's not natural. That's not how distance runners back off from an over ambitious initial pace - they don't just fall out.
seems like they were probably focusing on his VO2max and aerobic sustainability with the doping but not on muscle fatique xD legs gave up on him as it looks like ^^
I really hate peds. It just goes to show that there's no love for the sport and it's all about fame and greed? I mean why else would someone compromise their health?
@@rayflaherty3441 it's true. I got censored for my answer of assent. It's discriminatory on national or ethnic grounds to assert that Kenyans should be banned. I know LAWYERS in the US who use PEDs. All types of people use them, and they'll never be brought to light. Let's not dog pile on Kenyan athletes.
@@tquasa07 It's not true I'm afraid. Just a myth that a vocal minority keep claiming with no proof. Where are the studies studies showing most runners are on peds?
Were not referring to non-athletes. It's not uncommon at all in the US for non athletes to take PEDS. I saw a Huge percent of middle aged men are on some type of drugs. But who cares. But I care about athletes. @@tquasa07
@@chocolate_squiggle You know when you see a massive list of unpronounceable chemicals on product labels? I meant stuff like that. Also, I wonder if there are any banned substances in the prescription drugs I take.
I'm still holding to my theory that the truly top guys don't cheat because they have everything to lose, but cheating is common among people like Do Nascimento because they have little to lose and everything to gain. There's no money for coming in 8th or 15th or having an impressive start but DNF. Other people always say, "No, the top guys cheat, too." But when asked how they get away with it, the answer is often, "They just do." As someone training to run 2:35, it's not hard to imagine a top athlete, who might be 30 lbs lighter than me and runs an extra 12-20 miles per day than me, running a minute per mile faster. It's insanely fast but I don't think you'd have to cheat to do it.
Daniel was born with a good body and a bad mind. A true champion is made up of body and mind. I hope he transforms his mind! We here in Brazil are sorry for this!
So this guy really sucks then. All that super juice in his blood and he chokes during races by collapsing way before the finish line! Now, imagine his performance without the magic juice. He'd collapse at the starting line.
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Daniel was moving like he took Runalone and Fallalone
😂😂😂
Smartass... Very smart
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Poopalone 🫤
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To be clear: he was caught, others have yet to be.
Man, who would have thought marathon runners needed anabolics, but I suppose I can see why.
I could lead the marathon until I passed out. It would be less than 400 meters,, but I could do it.
Have you seen people running those giant treadmills at world record pace for a marathon? It's pretty fast.
A friend and I tried this once at a sort-of major marathon, one with both world class runners and muppets like us. We wanted a picture of us running in the same frame as the top guys.
Unfortunately, there were two problems with our idea. 1) At these races, they enforce seeding at the front of the pack, and only start you up there if you have top-tier previous times. 2) My all-out sprint is about the same as a top marathoner's average pace.
We started 200 m behind, stayed 200 m behind for maybe a minute, and then never saw them again. 😂
@@glenm99😂😂
nah.......I don't think you have clue on how fast some of them go in that first 400 meters......most likely they run sub 1 minute 400 meters...........if you are an average runner chances are you won't be able to run that fast.......read good chance
@@trevorregay9283 that's not true, they are running +4:40 miles, which means they're doing 70sec laps
Ban should be permanent. Only way to clean professional sports.
Or allow the use of all doping substances.
@@tizioincognito.3330 wont help. Everyones reactions to taking performance enhancing drugs is different, so while you might think you are leveling the playing field you will not. And even then, you will have athletes who will take more than they would be allowed.
And what about the athletes who have tested positive and they are / were not. They are banned for life and cant compete yet they were clean.
@@sportsworld-r3p Of course we are all different and each one of us reacts in a different manner. Allowing doping would be another factor like shoes or the lifestyle or the coach.
If you really want the competion to be more equal for all the athletes, they would need to train in one place and have the same lifestyle with the same shoes. But that is impossible. So they need to have all the instruments at their disposal.
It is not about education anymore, it is about losing or winning. Prove me wrong.
Let them compete with other cheaters only
if you haven't noticed, the entire pro scene is microdosing.... its been so obvious for years now. look at how some people have insane breakthroughs and then disappear never to regain the form they had for 4-5 weeks... to be at the top you've got to microdose at least.
Micro? 😂 more like regular dosing
If your talking about microdosing psilocybin or LSD, that's usually a mental health thing. It's not a PED.
If someone conquers their mental barriers and overachieves, that's the same as 6 months on the couch or an antidepressant
Runners world study shows 6 percent improvement by using epo. That’s enormous. Lance Armstrong only won the national title once and didn’t even finish the tour until he took drugs. Meanwhile there’s a guy who won the US title FOUR times and never won a stage or finished the tour
It certainly was an “odd” performance
Clearly. I believe I commented something of the sort and got jumped of for jumping to conclusions. It's time for people to start using a little common sense. If something or someone seems suspect, start investigating. Treat them as innocent until proven guilty, yet INVESTIGATE the anomalies. Kipchoge, anyone?
@@JaySizzif Kipchoge was a cheater he would be the greatest cheater in history because he has been doing it since he was 18.
He openly cheated when he had a guy on a bike pacing him on the Queensboro bridge. Not only is it against the rules to have a bike pace you, there are also no spectators allowed on that bridge at all. The fact that the race or police did not intervene was highly suspicious to me when I watched the NYC marathon.
If he keeps collapsing, the drugs aint working...😅😅😅
But they feel so good up until.... 🤮zzzzzzzzzzzzz
Fo'realz 😄
He'd be an idiot not to admit it. You can claim to have maybe failed on one substance accidentally due to a tainted supplement, but 3 well-known doping agents at one go? No way that's accidental.
I’d be more surprised if anyone was natural.
bro ate some Gatorade recovery gummies
@@telesniper2 right after having a meal with Sterion Beefthon
There is no need to Ban this guy as he has been eliminating his own self.
It makes me wonder if any of the elites are actually clean.
theyre not. you'd have to be incredibly gullible to think anyone is running anything close to 2 hours for the marathon clean. anyone running faster than 2:15ish is doped.
@@kalinasuter6535 Have any hard data to support this wild assertion?
nope. Go back to 1950 to look at pre-PED times. What's that... 2 hours 25 minutes, something like that? And even then there was blood doping (transfusions to increase RBC).
@@kalinasuter6535 Our coach is also a masseur at Kipchoge's camp. Their camp is like an army barracks and people like the coach go in and out on a daily basis. If EK was doping surely everyone else in his group must also be doping and if that were true I find it very hard to belive it could be kept quiet from all the masseurs, people supplying the camp with food etc.
@@kalinasuter6535 I'd say the 2:06 range and below. I mean Abebe Bikilaa won the 1960 marathon barefoot in 2:15:16 so 2:15 isn't out of the realm of possibility.
For every case like this, there are probably hundreds of athletes that *do* get away with it. Why else would they keep doping?
A BASELINE person can do 350mg/wk of testosterone and have a 50% chance of having an undetectable sample in a WADA test. If you have a high training volume where your natural T is suppressed (which all serious marathoners do) you can get away with much more.
I’d be more surprised if anyone was natural.
More Juice in Kenya than in a Minute Maid factory.
🤣😂
Cry lol
Fo'realz 😄
And the only marathonner who doesn't cheat, Eliud Kipchoge, is being blamed for murder. Just sad.
lol sure he is natural lolllll
Yeah because Kip's training and genetics are superior to his contemporaries while they are juiced to the gills...
Stop. I have never cheated - and have more than 120 marathon finishes.
Pretty sure Kipchoge dopes...
Blamed for murder? Really? And, didn't cheat? Really?
I almost fainted when you mentioned Evans Chebet at the start of this video! Phew. I guess what you said was context for those of us who otherwise would have no idea who do Nascimento was since it sounds like he hasn't finished many big races. In reference to the potty break, I'm an Australian who watched Rob de Castella win Commonwealth Gold after needing a potty along the way so I have a lot of sympathy for racers caught short.
Except Deek did the winning thing - shat himself and used sponges to clean up while continuing to run.
Why would he get such a short ban?
They’re all on something. Just a matter of time. Watch Paris with that in mind and, like the TDF, it’s a level-playing field so to speak.
Man this guy was flying on this warm and humid Nov,I took a pic of him all alone around mile 7,I said he was gonna crash due to his pace,course,and weather(he also went out too fast during Olympics). I knew he had talent and could win a major with smarter pacing but I didn't predict this
How does the same person do this more than once. If "My eyes were bigger than my stomach" was a marathon runner. 😂
I was an elite bike racer and there were guys who did the suicide solo break away at the start of almost every race. It never worked. They often failed to finish. Never seemed to impact their decision making process or tactics. I called these guys "low IQ/kg" cyclists 😅
Sheesh, why didn't this guy just hang with the East Africans for the first 25K-30K then kick into a higher gear. Could have won or placed 'top three'. Now all he has is DNF for those races and DNS for 3-4 years of future races.
Smarts is not always the strong side of athletes.
Watching marathon one has to wonder who's not doped nowdays...
As a Brasilian this is really disappointing to see, ive really enjoyed watching him race hard in theae big races even when things didnt pan out but this is a bummer
Ban should be severe
I love T&F but it has always been the game of who DOES NOT GET CAUGHT gets the medals. I feel that every top athlete is on something no matter what the event.
You are wrong. Top athletes do doping all year long
Amdouni, 27th in the world, was born in France. So, he is the first non African born athlete
Unfortunately doping is probably way more common at the pro level than most people realize, in nearly all bigger sports.
...and people continue to hate on Lance Armstrong.
The worst part if it all is runners can no longer hold it over Cyclists that we didn't have a large doping issue.
I don't think runners ever really could
Man, I love your channel but can you start titling these cheating ones differently? I'm old and when I see the title terrible news my first thought is someone died.
Yeah it is kinda clickbaity
A BASELINE person can do 350mg/wk of testosterone and have a 50% chance of having an undetectable sample. If you have a high training volume where your natural T is suppressed (which all serious marathoners do) you can get away with much more.
Complete nonsense. That's a small bodybuilding cycle amount, easily double a TRT dose. Either of which are clearly detectable, through multiple markers.
As a Kenyan im pissed with this doping cases tarnishing the countries name, this started when foreign coaches started appearing on the scene and some were even doping young ignorant athletes without their knowledge, I remember one young lady crying saying her Italian coach always insisted she take the water he gave her, ofcourse due to the extreme competition in Kenya other Kenyan athletes have succumbed to the vice
It’s a rare day when a cheater admits to doping. They always blame something they ate or drank. I can only recall one athlete that owned up to doping without having tested positive or otherwise being compelled to admit it.
Ben J ?
Bjørn Riis, the cyclist.
Just sucks that cheating is even a thing in running, and it's impossible to permanently stop.
In my opinion, all Kenyan athletes are suspect now.
Not only Kenyans. Elite runners from other countries go to Kenya just to “train” aka dope. I believe Eliud fell off bc he stoped saucing due to some of his team mates getting caught.
Kenyan athletes have allegedly ben suspect for many years now: ua-cam.com/video/J0ej5k_SxUs/v-deo.html
The athletics federation is turning a blind eye.
lol cry more
@@am5790 nobody crying my man lol
I may not be surprised in anyone that is caught doping but some disappoint me more than others. He is one of those. I truly love his going for it like no one else. Most times blowing up, but once in a while it all comes together. That was how I raced. Not the smartest but when it worked it was far better than anyone else that day. So hearing this saddens me a bit more than most others would. Just sad
"Just as I suspected! A drostanoloney sandwich, a methenoloney sandwich, and a nandronoloney sandwich! No baloney."
-Sherlock Holmes
I always wonder why the athletes think that it is OK to take drugs to enhance their performance.
I still think Kenya should be banned from international competitions.
That's absurd
@@sandman1347 Kenya have more dopers than Russia
The difference is Russian athletes were under a state sponsored program, I.e. they were being supplied drugs by their governing body, whereas in Kenya, they’ve acknowledged that doping is an issue and devote a huge amount of resources to cracking down on athletes that are cheating, which is why a lot of Kenyan athletes are being caught. Other countries should follow Kenya’s lead
@@mikestanley4501 what? the Kenyans know exactually what they are doing! Matter of fact the Spaniards should be banned from competing too.
@@HashBrownDoyler No they don't lmao. People from European countries have literally imported Kenyan blood for transfusions in sports like cycling and distance running lmao. You don't have a leg to stand on comparing them to a country that systemically ensured that their athletes cheated in order to try to win.
You know if marathoners are using it then the premier sprinted are too
Andrew when you talked about when he made that fist to Kipchoge in Tokyo at 3:40 , it's when I actually remembered him, but anyway there's no shortcut to athletics success.
I'm not even surprised anymore, the only person who'd shock me would be Kawauchi.
Nothing like the smell of money to bring out the best in a human being.
everybody dopes, only the stupid or poor ones get caught
What is the point of having rules if they can be questioned by the offenders and a reduction in the penalty negotiated? A ban is a ban, three banned substances is not an oversite. Why would other athletes fear being caught if they could also be the' inocent' injured party and also let off with a warning or reduction for what is blatently cheating?
I am a practitioner and love running. Unfortunately, this sport has been depreciated for a long time due to doping. So this athlete that you believe to be guilty even before he was judged by the competent agencies, is not the first, is not the only one and will not be the last to use illicit substances.
I never saw this guy finish a race. I always thought something was weird about him.
It's safe to say everybody at the highest level is doping in one way or another. Let's not kid ourselves. It's just a matter of who's doing it best, and who's not getting caught.
The Enhanced Games will gladly take them on as athletes.
Three banned substances?!? That’s a lot of burritos
Professional Athletics, Cycling etc.... are rotten to the core for years.
Si las cosas siguen así, sobre el deporte va a pesar siempre la sospecha, al igual de como estuvo sucediendo con el ciclismo. Verdaderamente triste.
All top athletes in all endurance sports dope.
I remember this guy! I'm so bummed cause his run was so fun and outrageous. I thought he was just juiced on CRAZY... but it turned out he was just JUICED?
I think we should test high performance amateur's to see how many false positives arise.
I think we'd be more surprised at how many true positives come out. 😂
@@julioalvarez9650 People are struggling with the economy around the world, unless PEDs are a lot cheaper than I realize, I can't fathom how people would be justifying spending money on PEDs if they're not close to elite level.
@@julioalvarez9650 Bingo.
This is sad news for Brazil's track and field community. There had been some suspicions around him for a while now. Firstly, his gf/wife got caught while training in Kenya by a test prob led by an anonymous report. After that, the dopping agencies thought about screening Daniel. Secondly, he didn't compete in the Pan American games where he would probably be tested, even though he was in the games hotel and fully registered to run the 10k. Later his excuse was that he took the wrong bus and arrived late to the race.
The truth of the matter is if his gf hadn't been caught he would probably walked way free.
Let me just quote German triathlete Sebastian Kienle: "Doper stinken".
His team posted a statement saying he is basically contactless right now. They explained that he has been dealing with serious mental health issues for the past few months and missing the Olympics it isn't the biggest concern; his mental health struggles seems like far more severe than missing the Olympics.
Also, his legal team has been unable to contact him. Seems like he's in real trouble and it’s worth noting that the test was conducted in Brazil. Considering the upcoming Olympic marathon in less than a month, it seems unlikely that he was supposed to be in Brazil training right now.
Kenya has been a doping problem for over a decade not just the last few years.
Back in the day when I was competing in marathons, I was offered the opportunity (by a well known sports doctor) to be a guinea pig for some new drug. I had nothing to lose, so took the jab (this was before drug testing was an issue). The shot was remarkable even though I only tested it on a half marathon & a cross country event. So I tried it before a full marathon, & ended up like this guy. Sure, you can get a lift and it's a fantastic feeling when everything is working, but once the juice runs out, you simply crash & burn, just like this guy did. Whether a bigger dose would have enabled me to last the distance, I'll never know as I never tried anything like that again.
Doping is all over sports. It's been especially obvious in pro cycling the last few years.
So what had the portapottie do with the story?..
Doping is normal.
Everyone is taking banned substance including Kipchoge, Lyles. Higher the level, higher the chances.
This is what I think.
They are not taking banned substances. Guess they are taking stuff which is not banned yet. Or some other trick to not detect it. The other possibility is that they sometimes do get caught but shoved under the carpet. A lot of money is at stake.
Olympics sports like running and swimming are, and were always drowning in ban substances. Back in 1976 Olympics, the East German female swimmers, which won almost everything, were all on ban substances. East Germany had a National doping program. Technnology in doping is much more advanced than the screening. And countries will hide doping test results to win medals. In this instance, I'm really not intested in any sport requiring endurance or strenght like powerlifting, because you can be sure participants are all on performance enhancing drugs.
Must be nice to have the perfect genetics to be a world class runner.
doping is just a part of professional sports. Every athlete has to take his chances.
everybody is on gear
All doping must be allowed and everyone will be equal.
Its time to just stop testing at this point. Level the field for good
That’s crazy
It wont level the field, athletes from poor countries will ruin their health for $.
@@phlemrazzes7704 they already do that; Kipchoge looks like he is 60
So he admits to doping...then what? He'll never be on top again without doping. Much the same as Oh so many others out there.
My take away is that the Brazilians didn’t pay enough for exemptions 😅.
Since it appears the dopping happened in Kenya, maybe he was taking what the runners from Kenya were taking.
Whatever your thoughts are about the financial incentives v. doping - those images of that guy - on two different occasions - passed out on the street should disturb everyone. That's not natural. That's not how distance runners back off from an over ambitious initial pace - they don't just fall out.
3 year ban for cheating doesn't seem fair...that isn't going to prevent cheaters. Also at what point is Kenya as a country is banned?
seems like they were probably focusing on his VO2max and aerobic sustainability with the doping but not on muscle fatique xD legs gave up on him as it looks like ^^
I wouldn't be surprised if it was just the top of the iceberg... For me it's obvious that Kelvin Kiptum was heavily dropping himself
I really hate peds. It just goes to show that there's no love for the sport and it's all about fame and greed? I mean why else would someone compromise their health?
Enhanced Games needs to be a thing already
Damn this is sad. I remember your report on the NY marathon
What effect do the banned drugs have? Would they cause loss of conciousness when they wear off? More info please.
This dude deserves permanent ban if the actions were intentional
Yea, why are we allowing cheaters who get caught with three substances in their system to get a quick 3 year ban and come back to dope again?
Can we just acknowledge that most runners are on something and just accept it and let the sport be a free for all
Yep, these doping whistleblowers are racists
@@rayflaherty3441 it's true. I got censored for my answer of assent. It's discriminatory on national or ethnic grounds to assert that Kenyans should be banned. I know LAWYERS in the US who use PEDs. All types of people use them, and they'll never be brought to light. Let's not dog pile on Kenyan athletes.
@@tquasa07 It's not true I'm afraid. Just a myth that a vocal minority keep claiming with no proof. Where are the studies studies showing most runners are on peds?
Were not referring to non-athletes. It's not uncommon at all in the US for non athletes to take PEDS. I saw a Huge percent of middle aged men are on some type of drugs. But who cares. But I care about athletes. @@tquasa07
Every time I hear a banned substance I've never heard of before, I always think of what common products have it in them.
No, otherwise hundreds more people would be testing positive unexpectedly.
gatorade recovery gummies 🤣
@@chocolate_squiggle You know when you see a massive list of unpronounceable chemicals on product labels? I meant stuff like that. Also, I wonder if there are any banned substances in the prescription drugs I take.
Everybody s doped. no way a clean runner or any performer can beat a juiced one.
Nandrolone? The burritos strike again!
They’re all on steroids -Nate Diaz
Dude gonna be remembered for all the wrong things.
I'm still holding to my theory that the truly top guys don't cheat because they have everything to lose, but cheating is common among people like Do Nascimento because they have little to lose and everything to gain. There's no money for coming in 8th or 15th or having an impressive start but DNF. Other people always say, "No, the top guys cheat, too." But when asked how they get away with it, the answer is often, "They just do." As someone training to run 2:35, it's not hard to imagine a top athlete, who might be 30 lbs lighter than me and runs an extra 12-20 miles per day than me, running a minute per mile faster. It's insanely fast but I don't think you'd have to cheat to do it.
Naive. If number 5 dopes, number 1 HAS to dope to compete, these are strong drugs that boost performance by ALOT
Jeez I really liked this guy too, haven’t seen him race in a while though.
African athletics always dominate the marathon.
let's be honest, was there anyone that believed his results were legit?
Microdosages were not micro enough
This has nothing to do with Kenya,😢
Geez. I have been fooled this whole time.
1:28
Fastest non African born marathoner was never Nascimento (No81)
it is Amdouni (No27).
bro got the ominous music on
Daniel was born with a good body and a bad mind. A true champion is made up of body and mind. I hope he transforms his mind!
We here in Brazil are sorry for this!
Morhad Amdouni #27 was born in France not Africa.
But he is from North African descent.
@@jeremapp4378 Not born in Tunisia though.
Shocked. I'm totally shocked.
Another one bites the dust! 👊
its not a question if you dope its only a question if you get caught
Everyone is on juice. Just a few get caught.
So this guy really sucks then. All that super juice in his blood and he chokes during races by collapsing way before the finish line! Now, imagine his performance without the magic juice. He'd collapse at the starting line.