Bro literally gave the Garcias jobs so they can avoid struggling in the slums at Brazil. Not to mention he didn't forced Zeo to fight against Excalibur knowing the team will win two matches in a row.
Tbf, the Garcias were still evil even by the time of Shogun Steel and him telling Zeo he shouldn't fight Team Excalibur was more of a calculated decision cause Jack and Damian were MORE than enough to wipe out the entire team lol
I’d agree that he’s not as deranged as Doji or Pluto, but he still had bad intentions. In the anime it was said Dark Nebula was one of Hades Inc’s subsidiaries, so, in fact, he financed the whole thing and was well aware of everything that went on in Japan in Metal Fusion (he even admitted it to Ryuga). He does criticise Doji tho for obsessing over L-Drago and “losing sight of the true goal”. That could be interpreted using Ryuga as a basis to perfect the arrangement system or the whole Nemesis stuff (he was part of that cult alongside Pluto, Doji etc.) Also, by making the decision to put the Spiral Force for sale, he knew Gingka’s gang would try to stop him at all costs. And, as Dynamis said in Metal Fury, each battle fought between good and evil fueled Nemesis (who was sealed within Earth and secretly absorbed the energy of the evil doers) advancing its return. Last but not least, his company’s name is the biggest giveaway. HADES Inc, obviously paying homage to King Hades, aka the one who created Nemesis
Quick correction - sometimes, arrangements *can* have mind control-like effects. This happens when Ziggy brainwashes Toby into becoming Faust and forgetting Masamune. However, it’s unknown if this effect was used on any of the other arrangement subjects. Presumably not Zeo, because Zig wouldn’t have a need to use Toby as incentive if he could just brainwash Zeo, and there’s no evidence he used it on Damian and Jack either.
Actually when Yu gets trapped in the arrangement pod Jack suggest that Yu should take an arrangement but points out that sometimes there are cases where the bladder goes through changes and using himself as an example says that the arrangement process introduced him to the world of arts, so there is evidence that Jack and possibly Damian did undergo some changes. Additionally in the Gingka vs Damian match, we actually see a flashback of a much younger Damian and it's pretty clear that Damian was a different person and that Ziggurat did at the very least manipulate him as we hear Damian say "Kerbecs is a bey created to win, the arrangement is something needed to win, I am here in order to win there is no other purpose than that. My sole purpose is to complete my job by winning." That mindset is not something that is born, that is a mindset drilled into you. I don't think the arrangement literally brainwashes you but it can definitely distort someone's reality.
@@rich355yes it definitely does at least change the subjects a bit but I don’t think it equates to straight up mind control. That is fair tho, I forgot about that line with Jack and Yu
@@Awsometime2wow this Beyblade videos actually pretty good I would like to see more of these nice job by the way I'm surprised people talking about Beyblade my Early Childhood show
I’ll never forget how he deliberately made himself look like a bad guy though. If he just kept spiral force as a way to get renewable energy from beyblades then he would’ve easily been justified since of course the kids playing with spinning tops wouldn’t care about an energy crisis. Also not Michael Baying a forest would’ve helped a ton He deliberately added the crap about being okay selling it to dangerous corporations
More like he didn’t care bc he was focused on the science and business of things. He’s more of crude business man. Remember he took over all of Julain’s factories and resources from his family name
Also,he was against nuclear power for being too dangerous,but no sane person would consider a floating city with enought power to destroy the planet as safer!
@@maestrulgamer9695 I think he never thought his Spiral Force to ever melt down or risk of going haywire. Nuclear energy is risky, but he was so overconfident that his Spiral Force would never run into that risk
@@maestrulgamer9695 He even smiled and laughed at the destruction caused by spiral force. For someone who supposedly cared about the world's energy crisis and the damage to the Earth, that couldn't be more contradictory: being in awe of the pure destruction it caused on an environment
I get what you're saying. But the problem of Dr. Ziggurat is that he doesn't care what happens as long as he can perform his experiments. He turned Toby into Faust so he could use him to run Templar. He also only showed off his spiral forces destructive capabilities by destroying a mountain and was going to do the same to an island. He legit didn't care what happened to people with his experiments.
7:08 considering toby is given the nae faust( a direct refrence to the german story where a deal was struck with a demon that was fufilled in a technical sense, but clearly betrays the intent behind it and ruins the life of said protagonist) it's safe to say the deal was meant to be viewed as a nefarious one.
Ziggurat manipulated Toby into becoming Faust (and manipulated Zeo in the process), and involved himself in ecosystem destruction to demonstrate his Spiral Force. So regardless of how you look at it, there's definitely an issue with morals going on. He may not be "evil" like Doji and Rago, but he definitely doesn't qualify for the "never did anything wrong" label.
thank you for making an actual video about Metal Fight Beyblade. it is a crazy show, which i love it for, but it’s also got some really good characters and interesting lore that are worth talking about! i’ve been an insane fan since i was 9 or 10 (?), and seeing people talk about Beyblade 10 years later makes me so happy that this show DOES have a fandom and that people do care about it the same way i do
When it comes to the ethics of arrangements Jack did say that arrangements have side affects on personality, and the example he gives was the he wasn't even into art before getting arrangements, so I think it's a matter of are you willing to compromise your identity for the chance to be a good blader, if not then the bladers spirit, and training your ass off is the better option, though the personality side effects probably isn't 100% since zeo seemed the same Kentas argument when it came to the arrangements was that it's not fair if someone got strong easy while everyone else did hard work and I think that's the overall message the story is trying to portray, but I wonder how this logic holds up when it comes to the aspect of legendary bladers that's introduced in fury, the star fragments gives you a massive advantage after all I haven't finished metal fury yet, but when it comes to Dr Ziggy, dude just wanted money, and to be considered a great scientist on the level or above Einstein, and the story in the dub outright states that everything he was doing was legal so if there's one thing all the other beyblade videos got right, it's that ginga and the others really are terrorists.
Not only to star fragments give a huge advantage, but just having a good Bey gives you one. Do you really think folks like Kenta and Ginka could do all they could on blader’s spirit alone if they had the same basic ass beys as everyone else? Lmao. Ultimately, it’s just how the world works. If you introduce a new technology that makes training easier, people are bound to use it. You’re welcome to have a more traditional mindset and train on your own, but I wouldn’t say the adopters of the new technology are *evil* for it. And yeah, the other bladers are kinda terrorists lmao
@@Awsometime2 Benkei kinda proves it's hard to get far with a basic bey, in the beginning of the story in metal fusion he had a basic bey for awhile and when Doji gave him bull thats when the game changed for him
Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't he literally brainwash toby to become Faust? Faust did not remember Masamune at all so he definently wiped or at least supressed Toby's inner personality for his own benefit. That's kinda evil imo. Also yes he did keep his end of the deal by healing Toby but then went on to literally change him into a mindless robot whose only purpose is to spin Tempo. I do agree that the whole "Natural vs Artificial" bladers isnt evil at all because the bladers subject to the arrangement have to already have the potential within them to become that strong on their own.
The connections between each villains faction is admittedly jarring. DN being a child company to Hades' parent company, and Hades Inc. being related to Hades Cult. Though it still makes sense, given the HADES link. For someone who claimed to care for the world's energy crisis which would mean a concern for the environment (even calling out nuclear energy for its risks), showing it's destructive power, laughing at a mountain, forest, lake being destroyed, and later planning to destroy an island is rather contradictory. I'm honestly convinced being a scientist for technology was a front, and his research really was linked to Nemesis, even the Prototype Nemesis system, according to Madoka, was like spiral force Zeo and Toby, despite benefitting in the long run, were very much manipulated. Toby was full on brainwashed, and Zeo did it just to save his sick friend, and Ziggurat capitalised on that. I'm convinced that, despite Zeo already resenting Masamune, the arrangement amplified it into out-of-control anger, and considering arrangements are the PEDs of Beyblade, that would make Zeo's anger like 'roid rage. Jack in Metal Fury was more chill, and Damian is very clearly brainwashed. For the ethics of arrangements, it's a matter of hard work vs shortcuts to become stronger, which leaves the main characters feeling insulted they used shortcuts instead of hard work. In real life, athletes who used PEDs or shortcuts are looked down upon, and it seems to be the same case with Beyblade Overall, even if there are parts I don't fully agree with, I still enjoyed the video since it's so refreshing compared to the "Beyblade was (not) THAT serious" shtick I've seen everywhere lately, and actually analyses the show like a normal person
Haha, really appreciate your comment, man! Admittedly this video does have its flaws, but I was kinda sick of CJ Dachamp clones going around everywhere just talking about how beyblade was crazy for the 500th time.
It's annoying to an extent because its like most ppl that talk about beyblade now all go about it the same way. Like just talk about the series like a regular person. I did enjoy this video because the approach was nice and respectable nothing cringe, not someone using the new slang just talking like a respectable person.
Legit, Beyblade trending had been a double edged sword. On one hand, it's cool since I grew up with this show. On the other hand, it made me realise how toxic the fandom is, and generally how annoying modern meme/anime culture can be: parasitic Ryuga dick-suckers, generational elitists, power-scalers etc. Really feels like these people watched the show with their brains turned off
He reminds me of Caeser in one piece, using the funding from pluto to do his own schemes to fund his research, dude clearly loves the fact he created a weapon of mass destruction.
You don't think it's that bad because you are comparing him to Dark Nebula, and Nemesis worshippers. But you missed the whole point of his bad nature. He was experimenting on literal kids secretly, most of them went mad. Obviously, experimenting on humans with unsafe, incomplete technology is bad and illegal in our world. He changed Toby's personality and stole him from his friends. What's the point of Toby healing if all he has to do is spin Tempo for the rest of his life!? He was a selfish manipulator. If you remove DB and Nemesis Group from beyblade, you'll see the villain in ziggurat.
Pretty convincing as well. It’s true that they went on their own free will, but Damian for example has got his life destroyed since he was a child and Ziggurat exploited that fact in him. And if Damian’s story got completed it would be logical that his mental health got damaged because he realised that he was just a rat for Ziggurat and he was just a shadow for Toby, probably Jack got healed mentally and we saw it in MF but Damian would not be easy to get healed. Tbh I agreed with the video at the beginning but when I watched it again I started to think about what he said.
To me? Ziggurat is the least evil guy in the show. His status is more that of a "shady business man" archetype more than anything. Besides using the arrangement system to (allegedly) brainwash Toby, terrorizing the city with Spiral Force with lightning, and vaporizing an entire forest, I think Ziggurat is the least evil bad guy we had in the entire show. He's still evil, but not on the same level as Dojo or Rago. His love for anything science was real and would go to great lengths to achieve that. No matter the type of morality it may have.
@@Awsometime2 As a Sonic fan, we sometimes speak before we think. So I can understand. But surely Dr. Ziggurat IS evil. Just the least evil out of all the others cause his reasonings are a bit more understandable to some people. Albeit some very extreme reasons lol
It's explicitly stated in episode 36 of metal masters that Ziggurat had a direct connection to Doji as he claims to have sent the Dark Nebula organisation to Koma village. Interesting video but I disagree.
Yeah Doji by Ziggurat was said to have become fixated on L-Drago and lost sight of the true goal, THAT Goal was the Revival of Nemesis, as Doji believed Ryuga and L-Drago could replace Rago and Nemesis
the only fucked yup thing he did with tobi is the brainwashing, i dont think he talked with tobi and he kinda needs tobi to keep producing energy for his whole project which means he would also be seeling tobi over to whoever buys the project
10:45 doji never hinted that he intended for rayuga to wield NEMESIS and used L drago as a test run for the real thing in the first place. infact he was fixated on L drago doing what nemesis was suposed to do which goes against what he claims later on. also the only conection zigarat had with nemesis was the bey stadium which took after the prototype nemesis thingy. so zigarat probaby bought that informaiton from them and thats how these bums living in the mountains had enough cash to higher people like chris. now when were first introduced to rayuga he does seem to be in a capsule like the arangement and that could be from zigarat as zigarat seemed to know doji when rayuga told him hes just like him.
Dude, no offense, but your arguments are ridiculous. Problem number 1. Tobi wasn't just healed and made stronger by Zigurat, he was also turned into a completely different person as Faust. The guy was literally brainwashed to the point where he no longer remembered who he actually was and was essentially used as a battery for a weapon of mass destruction. Again, HE BRAINWASHED A KID. In fact, we can go even further down with this argument. Now, was making Jack and Damian stronger unethical? No, by any means, but the show made quite a clear point that even in their case, even if no actual brainwashing was done, Zigurat essentially turned them into psychopats. Damian told Ginka that he doesn't believe the battles really have much meaning anyway. He mentally conditioned a child, not to enjoy the "sport" that he was taking part in, but to enjoy causing others to suffer with his skills. Imagine what would people say if they found out that a football coach, or a boxing coach or any other kind of teacher would go out of his way to instill into a kid, the "only results matter mentality" to the point where he would love beating the crap out of his opponents and have a sadistic desire to se them sad about loosing? You could even argue that he did the exact same thing to Jack, because in Metal Fury we see him after no longer being under Zigurat's influence and he seemed to genuinely enjoy battling without feeling the need to mentally torture his opponents. Now, argument 2. You can't compare Zigurat to Albert Einstein. Were Einstein's discoveries used for dangerous weapons? Yes, but he never specifically wanted that and neither did he want to make a profit from weapon creation. Einstein was someone who loved science for science and wanted to see the world become a better place through it. Zigurat used a child as a battery for a weapon of mass destruction and blew to smithereens a large area(as far as I remember he was also going to destroy an island, before the protagonists stopped him) and showed that to the whole world as he said that he was gonna sell it to anyone. So, AGAIN, Einstein made discoveries that were used for weapons against his will, Zigurat freaking created a weapon of mass destruction and wanted to sell it to people(which would have probably caused wars) for money... So yeah Zigurat was scum. If he would have just healed Tobi and only used Tempo as an energy source in order to power up cities in a clean way, you would have had a point, but like this, nope.
3:01 yes he was apart of that whole thing dijo literally said this Nemesis was what the dark nebula and hades inc were trying to obtain ziggurat started to focus on money tho
Calling him evil might not be entirely correct but this man certainly had some malice in him. I think the line where you said "He might have manipulated them but results are what matters" is exactly how I think Zuguratt thought, he wanted good results wether those results were for the best or not, but he is distinguished from the villains in the series because rather than want to rule or destroy the world, Ziguratt was simply selfish, bear in mind that despite turning weak bladers into strong ones and the spiral force being some that could be used for good, Ziguratt was more interested in using that for his own selfish gains, even if said gain was to satiate his curiosity.
This is exactly right! Obviously my title is a little bit hyperbolic and clickbaity lol. He did do *some* things wrong. But my main point was simply that he was very different from the other two main villains of the show.
Seeing the anime, it feels like there should be more explanations to the doctor. Especially what is his true goal, and did he actually agree with Pluto and Rago on “rebuilding a world of darkness” (I have a feeling that he don’t actually agree with them). Anyway, the doctor still seems to be obviously evil and especially unethical, but it feels like he’s the least evil of the 3 main villains of the saga. The odd one of the 3 main villains who’s not pure evil, and isn’t someone who only has an inexcusably evil and stupid goal.
What are you on about my guy. Just because someone’s intentions are good, doesn’t mean that what he is doing is good. You keep talking about how all these bladers chose to do this… bro what in the hell. These are kids. They cannot consent. This is the most predatory argument I’ve heard all day. Also you keep saying that the arrangement doesn’t hurt them but in the show they specifically state that out of the thousands of kids that they scouted, only 3 of them could widstand the experiment and the others literally suffered physical and mental damages which ended their carreers as bladers. Also what are you talking about how it doesn’t brainwash them? The show straight says that ziggurat is a neurologist and that the arrangement alters the person’s brain💀. This guy is a predator: Zeo and Jack are mentally unstable and Damian straight up admits that he doesn’t care about beyblade. When Ginka asks why he’s doing this, he straight up doesn’t even know why himself. He thinks he’s chosen by faith because he was one of the few people to survive the arrangement.(Ah but yes, he definitely consented when he was 4yrs old🗿). They straight up say that damian doesn’t have any info about him unlike the other bladers at hades implying that he was just an orphan that they kidnapped. Bro it doesn’t even matter if it hurts them or not, the point is that they are drugging these kids… It doesn’t matter if Zeo agrees to the deal or not. Imagine a random dude coming up to you and being like: “yea i know ur grandma is dying, but we can treat her. The only thing I need you to do is take these steroids I’ve creates and fight Mike Tyson, but if you lose against him, we’re gonna let your grandma die”. Also they mention multiple times in metal masters that Hades had ties with the Dark Nebula. They were even the ones to control them in the first place. That’s the entire reason why Ryuga has a grudge against them. Like bro did we even watch the same show?
Yay I never liked the idea of the antagonists of each season being connected in some way, it feels like a very last minute addition that honestly doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, and I personally find the idea of each season being a brand new adventure for our heroes a lot more charming. It also just makes it a lot more understandable when you look at the series in that perspective, that characters who had entire episodes centered around them in season 1 like Tetsuya and Sora don’t have any meaningful appearances in the later seasons.
2:31-Gross negligence is the word to describe Zigurat's goal,but that is still a crime. That and the massive amount of environmental destruction he caused just to flex his creation. 3:44-Dude,using arrangements in beyblade nationals is like using drugs at the olimpics! Is dangerous for them to use and unfair for everybody else. And even tho Jack and Damian are fine physically,they also got messed up mentally! 10:33-Doji used stadiums capable to absorb power from beys to give Nemesis power.That could only be done by using the same technology as the spiral force. 11:17-Oh,and i almost forgot that he brought the bladers who worked for him to attack Gan Gan Galaxy in the middle of the city! This guy is a TERRORIST!
im not if u seen or heard of hot wheels world race and acceleracers but there's this character name dr tezla and he did something similar where he makes a deal with drivers to win this race name "highway 35" and if a team able to finish highway 35, they get 5 mil but the thing is, there's this energy source that dr tezla need to study it for the use of clean energy. dr.ziggurat and dr.tezla are similar in way that they have ulterior reason for what they're doing.
But at least in the Highway 35 movie, Tezla seemed genuine about helping the Earth, and that power shortage that blew every fuse in North America was an accident. And Tezla even listened to the drivers in that he should not have the wheel, as that much power should not be in single person's hand, no matter of how much knowledge they have or careful they claim to be. Unlike Zigarat, who actively chose to blow up an entire landscape just to demonstrate Spiral Force. That'd be like bombing two cities to show the power of nuclear energy.
what about him making a black hole flying city. you cannot tell me that it was justifiable. HE MADE A CITY THAT SHOOTS A BLACK HOLD USING TWISTED TEMPO
I see you point and this is a very interesting video, but I would also like to make my own argument that Ziggurat DESTROYED a mountain when demonstrating SPIRAL Force and probably a lot of habit and animals while at it, so…😬
See ive always had my own head canon for beyblade, and ziggurat was just money and power hungry which is why he did what he did imo Ive been trying to write up a way for him to return cuz the arrangement system could be used in many different ways. (I also think the pod ryuga came out of in season 1, was a beta version of the arrangement system to allow ryuga to control the dark power) Itd be cool if Z had a face turn and actually regretted what he did, and tried to help work with the wbba, itd be really interesting to see how everyone interacts with him.
The only bad thing I would say about Ziggurat is that although he healed Toby, he pretty much completely changed him. When you pay a hospital for a surgery or to fix something wrong with your body, they don’t completely change you or your personality. But other than that, Ziggurat was a neutral character.
Beyblade is still going on with its 4th gen but people were talking bout them for nostalgia but maybe in the future people will talk about the 3rd gen burst but who knows
I mean bro just wanted money he even said that he stopped caring about good and evil all he wanted was profit that indicates that at some point he wanted to do good. Although Doji does state in Metal Fury that the purpose of Hades inc was to resurrect Nemesis although this is never brought up again.
I do believe that Ziggurat was part of the Nemesis Crew TM but, he was using them more for funding and things like that. If we go with this explanation it makes sense why Ziggurat would name his company Hades Inc. I think he believed that if he could do this then not even the God of Destruction would be able to stop him. So he didn't want to destroy the world, he was just manipulating the Nemesis Crew TM.
I wanted to say, while there was no evidence of Hades. Inc owning Dark Nebula, such an organization had to get its funding from somewhere and Nothingness is contradicted by Ziggurat using Dark Nebula to get data on L-Drago. In fact, it supports a lot in Metal Masters. But as for Dr. Ziggurat's goals, yes, he himself was aiming to take over using his research, but it actually is explained how his actions contributed to Nemesis' return. In the Episode where they meet Pluto, he explains that he was the actual figure behind Hades. Inc and in Metal Fury Episode 3, its explained that the destruction of the Spiral Force in space was the light that would predate the new Star Fragment coming to Earth. So seemingly, he looked up to Hades like the rest of the Cult, was inspired by them to make the Spiral Force and used that for plans of his own, but his plans created the light which would kickstart the events that'd reawaken Nemesis.
Now, I'm not going to call it a clean cut business with nothing shady whatsoever. But he wasn't a villain or anything, he was effectively just an enabler and a business man. It's simple supply and demand. Toby just happened to have negative side effects from the arrangement that corrupted his memory, making him someone else.
Honestly why did he have to pick a friend of one of the strongest bladers to be Faust, if he had just picked any other random dude the debate wouldn't be "omg that dude brainwashed one of our friends to keep him as a battery" but rather focus on the impact that the new energy could have in the world, also considering that the first use he saw in that energy was just to create a weapon of mass destruction, like he was about to start Cold War 2 just like that
I have to respectfully disagree and say that Ziggurat is a really bad person, on his own right. You can maybe say that he's not as bad as Doji, Hades or Rago, but that's just relative to them, Ziggurat is still a very bad person. Ziggurat manipulated Zeo, he made it clear that he didn't care about him and only used him for Toby, outright admitting it to Zeo's face, and despite Zeo holding his end of the deal, Ziggurat lied and backstabbed and never truly held his end of the bargain. Sure, he cured Toby, but not because he cared about Zeo, it was for himself. I'm pretty certain he knew that Zeo didn't want a brainwashed friend that didn't remember him whatsoever, and isn't simply just semantics. He put his members through horrible experiments that left many people mentally damaged for good, multiple times, and still went with the same experiments anyway. Keep in mind, the ones who agree to it are kids or teenagers in-universe. Damian and Jack were fine because they happened to be compatible with the system, and it's kind of a gamble of who is or isn't. He was also willing to sell his world ending energy generator to literally anyone, without a care to who he sold it to, and he absolutely has the ethical responsibility to be careful of who he sold it to. In fact, why even make it so that the invention has the function to blow up landmasses? With such a dangerous invention, and with the original intention to solve an energy crisis, one would think he'd be less careless over who he sold it to. Him doing this for money makes it even worse, because he shows carelessness over who he sells it to as long as he can make money out of it, such a safety risk for his greed is absolutely not worth it.
Zigarat himself tells Ryuga that Hades inc was connected to dark nebula and that doji got corrupted by L Dragos dark power and went on a different path. But it is confirmed by Zigarat and Rio and Hikaru even find that out and tell Gingka. Then way later Doji comes back and says all the stuff about Nemesis
This is a good point but he also helped the dark nebula behind the scenes and he did help revive nemises as he developed the technology for him this was all stated by doji so he was just as bad
Im pretty sure doctor zigarot was behind the dark nebulas taking l drago but he wasnt a part of there plan to take over the world. Zigarot says himself im not like doji. Im assuming zigarot had dark nebula steal l drago so he could use its power to try to create his infinite energy but l dragos dark energy and doji tried taking over the world instead putting his plans on hold. He says it in the series i dont think its a plot hole.
He was part of the Nemesis Cult so he was majorly involved in the Revival of Nemesis, Hades Inc. is even named after King Hades who created Prototype Nemesis and Pluto if I recall was said to have found Hades Inc. himself
Technically we don't know if toby actually agreed to it and you would think that they would have ti have a parent/guardian ti give consent but it's an anime so😅
DEBUNKED: It's his responsibility as a scientist to make sure what he creates will be used for good. Creating artificially good athletes(steroids in real life) misses the point of fairness when competing. So you got that wrong too. Only the vast minority of the test subjects survived the test. The rest went through so much pain. What if those bladers wanted to go through that? Would you say the same for athletes who want to use anabolic steroids to succeed? We aren't talking about energy as resource here. We are talking about infiltrating the system with guys that pay to win the conpetition so that he will make more money. You were right about the healing of Masamune's friend but this only happened because Zigurat wanted more test subjects. The medical treatment he gave his friend was to also use him as a test subject. Since he thought his friend would die, he would be a perfect guinea pig. Tempo was created by using data from Pegasus and Ldrago. Where is the fairness in that? This is worse than anabolic steroids. This would be dangerous for humanity. Maybe a Nemesis type of threat for the future. 11:25 He manipulated many bladers to get rid of the opposition he had (Gingka and friends here but why not use them in the future too?) and gain power and a personal army. Of course all arcs are connected to Nemesis. This secret society's goal was world domination. They tried to achieve it with Ryoga and Doji but failed. There was no sign of the prophecy about Nemesis during Metal Masters so they tried to control the world through economics and constructed professional beybladers- test subjects and bladers with broken heart who wanted more power to validate themselves(like Julian). Those people were even willing to destroy a city for Zigurat as they were running around and fighting with the main characters. In Metal Fury, at last, the prophecy of Nemesis was coming to pass, so they had another shot to dominate the world with the second bey that used dark power(Nemesis).
I still can't believe what I heard about the responsibilities scientists have. If a bad government uses AI fighting robots to control us in the future, will you say that the scientists that created those and sold them to this government have no responsibility? Having as priority profit instead of humanity must stop. We need our morals and ethics back.
I think they created a really good antagonist, even anti hero (good motives, bad execution), so creator's needs to make him that's typical bad guy (like Doji, possessed Ryuga and Rago). Nah, imagine if they kept a "good" guy Ziggy, who just want to make a perfect alternative energy, and after Ginkka and Masamune destroyed it world would considered them as terrorist. J U S T I M A G I N E P. S. Also arragement didn't make you stronger than you possibly can become, it's just help you open your full potential, so I dont even think it's a drug, just a shortcut
Gingka and the gang are quite literally terrorists in BB lol. One thing Ziggy was absolutely right about is that Spiral Force only became a world ending threat because Ryuga and Gingka destabilized it. Their argument of "oh well Ziggy still created it!" falls flat, because we make tech IRL all the time that's only dangerous if it goes out of control (I.E. Nuclear). If terrorists fuck up a nuclear power plant and it goes critical, you don't blame the nuclear scientists lmao.
Dr Ziggurat is misunderstood overall. Yes,Spiral Force is dangerous and is capable of wiping out islands and what not. But overall,we never see him intentionally trying to put anyone in danger. For example,he wanted Zeo to become more powerful and used Toby's Condition as motivation (Yes,it's a bit of a dick move.) but he did honor the deal and made Toby so much more powerful. Though,it would be interesting if Ziggurat got more of an "Supporting" role in Metal Fury and helped Gingka and the others with research and could even help them learn about Hades. Heck,I would've even loved to have seen him come with Madoka during the battle with Nemesis and even help the Legendary Bladers at times.
Ziggurat was affiliated with the cult of nemesis The nemesis bladers literally used spiral force to suck the power of the legendary bladers and put it in nemesis And doji himself even said the dark nebula and hades inc where working twords the nemesis revival
Obviously, it is unethical because without even practicing a thousand times, you are just getting better and better at a game and that is through the arrangement system. Dude, can't you discriminate between right and wrong??
About training to become a professional athlete, the blader's spirit argument is sort of analogous to the English idea of sport. Which is where sport is a game played by aristocratic amateurs who have other endeavours in life, and they just happen to be gifted at sport.
Aight dude, if you sell a gun to a killer, you ARE doing evil shit 😂 Let's be fuckin real. That's the exact lesson that Iron Man learned in almost all his iterations. And like you said, Dr. Ziggurat's company was a subsidiary of Dark Nebula. No Ziggurat didn't care about Douji's stupid megalomaniacal plans, but being a low level employee of a terrorist group is still unethical. And another thing- Dr. Ziggurat is legitimately predatory. YES Zeo and Faust agreed to a deal. But that don't mean that being a living battery is cool. Tf was his plan again? Make Faust spin a Beyblade forever to generate electricity? The Doc made a shit deal to desperate kids foreal. It's just like that thing that happens in the K-Pop industry and the LA music industry. Powerful people offer tantalizing deals to desperate, bright-eyed rookies in exchange for their autonomy. But hey I respect trying to have a fresh hot take tho. The new wave of Beyblade videos ARE becoming stale.
You immediately lost me when you said he didn't have an ethical responsibility to make sure the people using his stuff for evil. He absolutely does have that responsibility
10:20 this wear your video is wrong even if you think it’s the writers trying to tie everything together the fact still stands that HD academy main goal was the aid in the revival of nemesis making dr ziggaurt evil by default. Also even if his motivation was the “betterment of science” him selling his hydrogen bomb to anyone who can write a check is very irresponsible. Why not give it to the government since it was supposed to be sold as a way to give clean energy but instead he showed the destructive capabilities of it and said “yeah who ever writes the biggest check can have this hydrogen bomb”
@@stephvondames6369 doji was under ziggurat and pluto. Those two were the real ones behind the shadows. Doji was the lowest in the rankings. He was a means to an end
Far as I know they’re not banned because it’s “cheating”. They’re banned because of the adverse health consequences - people don’t want to have a situation where you feel like you need to put your life on the line with these substances just to compete.
@@Awsometime2Under that mindset then I find the arrangement system unfair. Steroids is unfair and illegal because it’s unfair to make people experience pain and risk their lives to keep up. The Arrangement system is similarly dangerous. Sure it’s painless for Jack and Damian, but I’m pretty sure as of now at least they’re an exception to the general rule. Ziggurat tested a lot of people with the arrangement system and only kept the most compatible for Starbreaker. Zoe is on starbreaker and the system hurts him immensely so I imagine it will hurt the vast majority of people. Meaning that while not everyone would be hurt using it a lot would have to risk that extreme pain and potentially worse just to keep up with it.
This guy is evil for being manipulative he turned toby into a mindless obedient slave I don't care if he is stronger if it comes at the cost of his character of who he used to be before the arrangement system which means that He didn't do it out of the kindness of his heart. He is guy that is definitely not morally sound and what he did was all for money which is greedy not considering how it is used and him only thinking about him selfish but irresponsible. The reaklessness of this guy's actions, not only that someone could have stolen, reverse engineered and mass produced this technology The fact that he does not care about how it is used is just blissful ignorance. This guy did this for money and power. Not was it not a wise choice for them to stop this from happening they made this man waste thousands of dollars worth of useful technology that could have changed the beyblade world, The government definitely should have gotten involved and either regulated the safetyness of this new technology to discover any environmental hazards, and the Energy Efficiency of this technology and failure to comply with the regulations will either result in the business transaction be sanctioned or out right shut down and annihilated once it leaves the earth atmosphere.
The only reason i disagree with that he didn't do anything wrong is cause of the amount of bladers he recruited and mislead, he said that his arrangements makes them strong as hell, but he never explained to balders that the machines were not perfect and that he was experimenting with them, and thus a lot of bladers went into his hd academy and most of them failed their arrangements with all of them ending the career as bladers with mental and physical problems, also if not for ryuya he would've flattened an island, the dude may not have broken any laws in the eyes of the law but it is behind scenes corrupt like a politician, promising and misleading bkaders to take his Arrangements when he knows full well his machines are not perfect
OH REALLY NOW?! Created, a large super weapon and thought it was ethical to just sell it to the highest bidder with no regard for how it's used. So no not evil but very irresponsible and proud.
Idk man, the only evil thing he did was turning Toby. The arrangement was a volunteer operation and wasn’t evil. It had side effects but the intent wasn’t to kill nor harm. And he created spiral force as a alternative energy source but just wanted money. Dick Scientist yes, but bad not really
@earthinthecomments4944 look you can bark and complain like a sad puppy all day long I ain't gonna stop you. Fact is fact. You denying it is not gonna make this fact go away. So you can deny it all you want to. Besides ryuga is a tritogonist like shu kurenai from beyblade. Protagonist usually have the most plot armour. And ryuga is not a Protagonist. Ginka is
Ziggurat's plan is diffrent from that of Doji and Pluto (the purple haired guy that tried to resurect Nemesis). He explicitly said in the episod "The plot Thickens" that he wanted to use the power of beybs to take control of preexisting sources of power (the economy, governments...), so Ziggurat wanted ot create a society dominated by Hades Inc. (some sort of dystopian society). The real reason Gingka and his friends oppose him is idelogical aside form the fact his invention is dangerous and Toby has been brainwashed. Gingka said that he can let Ziggurat use "their" beys to do what he wants. And that is what's interesting is that Gingka may not be totaly right: he wants to use beyblade to have fun and friendly fight, but their extraordinary power could help humanity in a way. However Ziggurat is corrupt as fuck. He only care about money, he joind a cult that worshipps a lovecraftian horror, he brainswashed kids, turn Damian (who could possibly be his son) into a sadistic monster with a god complex, ruined Julian's family and turned him against his friends, played with the life of Toby and so on. SO no, Ziggurat isn't a mindless evil like Doji but he is evil, like a C.E.O. in world were spininng tops are magic.
I thought the same thing when I watched the Metal Masters series I don’t think he’s evil. He has some questionable ethics. But a lot of the villains (Gracias for example) are very understandable I view the arrangements are like PEDs
a lot of these are good points, but arrangements are definetley cheating. you say that if actual athletes had shortcuts to get to the top they would use them, but that's already a thing due to steroids, which are obviously illegal in sporting leagues. Not to mention different people react to steroid injectiions differently, just like how all of the bladers reacted to the arrangements differentley. im not saying that the invention of an arrangement machine is evil, because it can cure illness, just like how steroids can cure illness. but using arrangements with just the intent of becoming a better blader is definetly unjust.
Beyblades super popular and always has been its been getting attention nonstop, but for mfb the pure absurdity makes it comparable to like jjk or dbz which brought that anime back into mainstream@@Awsometime2
Bro beyblade fr came outta nowhere. Im for it.
Bro literally gave the Garcias jobs so they can avoid struggling in the slums at Brazil. Not to mention he didn't forced Zeo to fight against Excalibur knowing the team will win two matches in a row.
Zeo probably could've taken Sophie and Wales
@@jamainegardner4193he would have destroyed them
He did forced zeo.
Tbf, the Garcias were still evil even by the time of Shogun Steel and him telling Zeo he shouldn't fight Team Excalibur was more of a calculated decision cause Jack and Damian were MORE than enough to wipe out the entire team lol
He is evil that a literally a fact.
I’d agree that he’s not as deranged as Doji or Pluto, but he still had bad intentions. In the anime it was said Dark Nebula was one of Hades Inc’s subsidiaries, so, in fact, he financed the whole thing and was well aware of everything that went on in Japan in Metal Fusion (he even admitted it to Ryuga). He does criticise Doji tho for obsessing over L-Drago and “losing sight of the true goal”. That could be interpreted using Ryuga as a basis to perfect the arrangement system or the whole Nemesis stuff (he was part of that cult alongside Pluto, Doji etc.)
Also, by making the decision to put the Spiral Force for sale, he knew Gingka’s gang would try to stop him at all costs. And, as Dynamis said in Metal Fury, each battle fought between good and evil fueled Nemesis (who was sealed within Earth and secretly absorbed the energy of the evil doers) advancing its return.
Last but not least, his company’s name is the biggest giveaway. HADES Inc, obviously paying homage to King Hades, aka the one who created Nemesis
Yes this. Also there was Damian, who I think was probably being groomed to join the " evil doers ". It would just make a lot of sense.
Speaking of the arrangements, notice the pod Ryuga was in when he was introduced. It look awfully similar to the arrangement system
Quick correction - sometimes, arrangements *can* have mind control-like effects. This happens when Ziggy brainwashes Toby into becoming Faust and forgetting Masamune. However, it’s unknown if this effect was used on any of the other arrangement subjects. Presumably not Zeo, because Zig wouldn’t have a need to use Toby as incentive if he could just brainwash Zeo, and there’s no evidence he used it on Damian and Jack either.
Actually when Yu gets trapped in the arrangement pod Jack suggest that Yu should take an arrangement but points out that sometimes there are cases where the bladder goes through changes and using himself as an example says that the arrangement process introduced him to the world of arts, so there is evidence that Jack and possibly Damian did undergo some changes. Additionally in the Gingka vs Damian match, we actually see a flashback of a much younger Damian and it's pretty clear that Damian was a different person and that Ziggurat did at the very least manipulate him as we hear Damian say "Kerbecs is a bey created to win, the arrangement is something needed to win, I am here in order to win there is no other purpose than that. My sole purpose is to complete my job by winning." That mindset is not something that is born, that is a mindset drilled into you. I don't think the arrangement literally brainwashes you but it can definitely distort someone's reality.
I reckon the arrangement made Zeo more hostile as a person. It was prolly leading off of his existing resentment towards Masamune, but still
@@rich355yes it definitely does at least change the subjects a bit but I don’t think it equates to straight up mind control. That is fair tho, I forgot about that line with Jack and Yu
"Ziggy" 💀
@@Awsometime2wow this Beyblade videos actually pretty good I would like to see more of these nice job by the way I'm surprised people talking about Beyblade my Early Childhood show
It’s crazy, I’ve been on the BeyBlade train for nearly 15 years now, the random resurgence of it is crazy but I’m all for it!
Ikr been waiting for times like this forever lol. I thought only i knew about this stuff
I’ll never forget how he deliberately made himself look like a bad guy though. If he just kept spiral force as a way to get renewable energy from beyblades then he would’ve easily been justified since of course the kids playing with spinning tops wouldn’t care about an energy crisis. Also not Michael Baying a forest would’ve helped a ton
He deliberately added the crap about being okay selling it to dangerous corporations
More like he didn’t care bc he was focused on the science and business of things. He’s more of crude business man. Remember he took over all of Julain’s factories and resources from his family name
Also,he was against nuclear power for being too dangerous,but no sane person would consider a floating city with enought power to destroy the planet as safer!
@@maestrulgamer9695 I think he never thought his Spiral Force to ever melt down or risk of going haywire. Nuclear energy is risky, but he was so overconfident that his Spiral Force would never run into that risk
@@maestrulgamer9695 He even smiled and laughed at the destruction caused by spiral force. For someone who supposedly cared about the world's energy crisis and the damage to the Earth, that couldn't be more contradictory: being in awe of the pure destruction it caused on an environment
I get what you're saying. But the problem of Dr. Ziggurat is that he doesn't care what happens as long as he can perform his experiments. He turned Toby into Faust so he could use him to run Templar. He also only showed off his spiral forces destructive capabilities by destroying a mountain and was going to do the same to an island. He legit didn't care what happened to people with his experiments.
The fact that these beys are Universal is just extraordinary
7:08 considering toby is given the nae faust( a direct refrence to the german story where a deal was struck with a demon that was fufilled in a technical sense, but clearly betrays the intent behind it and ruins the life of said protagonist) it's safe to say the deal was meant to be viewed as a nefarious one.
Oh are you talking about the “Faustian bargain”?
Where can I real this story/what is its name? Sounds very interesting
Ziggurat manipulated Toby into becoming Faust (and manipulated Zeo in the process), and involved himself in ecosystem destruction to demonstrate his Spiral Force. So regardless of how you look at it, there's definitely an issue with morals going on. He may not be "evil" like Doji and Rago, but he definitely doesn't qualify for the "never did anything wrong" label.
He didn't just manipulate Toby, He straight up brainwashed him, but yeah you're right with everything else
He tried to NUKE a City 😶
thank you for making an actual video about Metal Fight Beyblade. it is a crazy show, which i love it for, but it’s also got some really good characters and interesting lore that are worth talking about! i’ve been an insane fan since i was 9 or 10 (?), and seeing people talk about Beyblade 10 years later makes me so happy that this show DOES have a fandom and that people do care about it the same way i do
You making it out of the hood with this one ❤
Ziggurat kinda forced Zeo to continue with the Arrangements using Toby as leverage though
When it comes to the ethics of arrangements Jack did say that arrangements have side affects on personality, and the example he gives was the he wasn't even into art before getting arrangements, so I think it's a matter of are you willing to compromise your identity for the chance to be a good blader, if not then the bladers spirit, and training your ass off is the better option, though the personality side effects probably isn't 100% since zeo seemed the same
Kentas argument when it came to the arrangements was that it's not fair if someone got strong easy while everyone else did hard work and I think that's the overall message the story is trying to portray, but I wonder how this logic holds up when it comes to the aspect of legendary bladers that's introduced in fury, the star fragments gives you a massive advantage after all
I haven't finished metal fury yet, but when it comes to Dr Ziggy, dude just wanted money, and to be considered a great scientist on the level or above Einstein, and the story in the dub outright states that everything he was doing was legal so if there's one thing all the other beyblade videos got right, it's that ginga and the others really are terrorists.
nah zeo had anger ishues
Not only to star fragments give a huge advantage, but just having a good Bey gives you one. Do you really think folks like Kenta and Ginka could do all they could on blader’s spirit alone if they had the same basic ass beys as everyone else? Lmao.
Ultimately, it’s just how the world works. If you introduce a new technology that makes training easier, people are bound to use it. You’re welcome to have a more traditional mindset and train on your own, but I wouldn’t say the adopters of the new technology are *evil* for it.
And yeah, the other bladers are kinda terrorists lmao
@@neos5432 really, than personality side effects really are likely
@@Awsometime2 Benkei kinda proves it's hard to get far with a basic bey, in the beginning of the story in metal fusion he had a basic bey for awhile and when Doji gave him bull thats when the game changed for him
Ginka dad explained the process destroyed the body of many people who was not compatible with video of paralised blader
Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't he literally brainwash toby to become Faust? Faust did not remember Masamune at all so he definently wiped or at least supressed Toby's inner personality for his own benefit. That's kinda evil imo. Also yes he did keep his end of the deal by healing Toby but then went on to literally change him into a mindless robot whose only purpose is to spin Tempo. I do agree that the whole "Natural vs Artificial" bladers isnt evil at all because the bladers subject to the arrangement have to already have the potential within them to become that strong on their own.
Yeah, in a correction comment I did mention the Faust thing. I totally forgot about it lol
@@Awsometime2 Oh didn’t see the comment lol- maybe you should pin it?
The connections between each villains faction is admittedly jarring. DN being a child company to Hades' parent company, and Hades Inc. being related to Hades Cult. Though it still makes sense, given the HADES link.
For someone who claimed to care for the world's energy crisis which would mean a concern for the environment (even calling out nuclear energy for its risks), showing it's destructive power, laughing at a mountain, forest, lake being destroyed, and later planning to destroy an island is rather contradictory. I'm honestly convinced being a scientist for technology was a front, and his research really was linked to Nemesis, even the Prototype Nemesis system, according to Madoka, was like spiral force
Zeo and Toby, despite benefitting in the long run, were very much manipulated. Toby was full on brainwashed, and Zeo did it just to save his sick friend, and Ziggurat capitalised on that. I'm convinced that, despite Zeo already resenting Masamune, the arrangement amplified it into out-of-control anger, and considering arrangements are the PEDs of Beyblade, that would make Zeo's anger like 'roid rage. Jack in Metal Fury was more chill, and Damian is very clearly brainwashed.
For the ethics of arrangements, it's a matter of hard work vs shortcuts to become stronger, which leaves the main characters feeling insulted they used shortcuts instead of hard work. In real life, athletes who used PEDs or shortcuts are looked down upon, and it seems to be the same case with Beyblade
Overall, even if there are parts I don't fully agree with, I still enjoyed the video since it's so refreshing compared to the "Beyblade was (not) THAT serious" shtick I've seen everywhere lately, and actually analyses the show like a normal person
Haha, really appreciate your comment, man! Admittedly this video does have its flaws, but I was kinda sick of CJ Dachamp clones going around everywhere just talking about how beyblade was crazy for the 500th time.
It's annoying to an extent because its like most ppl that talk about beyblade now all go about it the same way. Like just talk about the series like a regular person. I did enjoy this video because the approach was nice and respectable nothing cringe, not someone using the new slang just talking like a respectable person.
Legit, Beyblade trending had been a double edged sword. On one hand, it's cool since I grew up with this show. On the other hand, it made me realise how toxic the fandom is, and generally how annoying modern meme/anime culture can be: parasitic Ryuga dick-suckers, generational elitists, power-scalers etc. Really feels like these people watched the show with their brains turned off
He reminds me of Caeser in one piece, using the funding from pluto to do his own schemes to fund his research, dude clearly loves the fact he created a weapon of mass destruction.
He pretty much manipulated Zeo by making him think Masamune abandoned him and Zeo
No he alr felt abandoned when masamune went to Japan and he saw him on tv
yes he did in the flashback where ziggurat hired zeo he said "You want to get back on that guy Masmune who betrayed you"
You don't think it's that bad because you are comparing him to Dark Nebula, and Nemesis worshippers.
But you missed the whole point of his bad nature.
He was experimenting on literal kids secretly, most of them went mad.
Obviously, experimenting on humans with unsafe, incomplete technology is bad and illegal in our world.
He changed Toby's personality and stole him from his friends. What's the point of Toby healing if all he has to do is spin Tempo for the rest of his life!?
He was a selfish manipulator.
If you remove DB and Nemesis Group from beyblade, you'll see the villain in ziggurat.
Pretty convincing as well. It’s true that they went on their own free will, but Damian for example has got his life destroyed since he was a child and Ziggurat exploited that fact in him. And if Damian’s story got completed it would be logical that his mental health got damaged because he realised that he was just a rat for Ziggurat and he was just a shadow for Toby, probably Jack got healed mentally and we saw it in MF but Damian would not be easy to get healed.
Tbh I agreed with the video at the beginning but when I watched it again I started to think about what he said.
HD Academy did in fact have ties to Dark Nebula and Dr. Ziggurat even confirmed it which later in metal fury Doji confirmed as well.
To me? Ziggurat is the least evil guy in the show. His status is more that of a "shady business man" archetype more than anything. Besides using the arrangement system to (allegedly) brainwash Toby, terrorizing the city with Spiral Force with lightning, and vaporizing an entire forest, I think Ziggurat is the least evil bad guy we had in the entire show. He's still evil, but not on the same level as Dojo or Rago. His love for anything science was real and would go to great lengths to achieve that. No matter the type of morality it may have.
For sure. It's a bit of an exaggeration on my part to say he did *nothing* wrong, but he definitely wasn't nearly as bad as the DN or Nemesis
@@Awsometime2 As a Sonic fan, we sometimes speak before we think. So I can understand. But surely Dr. Ziggurat IS evil. Just the least evil out of all the others cause his reasonings are a bit more understandable to some people. Albeit some very extreme reasons lol
It's explicitly stated in episode 36 of metal masters that Ziggurat had a direct connection to Doji as he claims to have sent the Dark Nebula organisation to Koma village. Interesting video but I disagree.
Plus Doji confirmed it also in Metal Fury, but yeah there’s almost too many holes in this video.
Yeah Doji by Ziggurat was said to have become fixated on L-Drago and lost sight of the true goal, THAT Goal was the Revival of Nemesis, as Doji believed Ryuga and L-Drago could replace Rago and Nemesis
the only fucked yup thing he did with tobi is the brainwashing, i dont think he talked with tobi and he kinda needs tobi to keep producing energy for his whole project which means he would also be seeling tobi over to whoever buys the project
which is human trafficking and definitely illegal
IVE BEEN SCREAMING ALL THIS EVER SINCE I REWATCHED THESE PAST EPISODES! GODDAM !
He Loki turned them from terrible to demons
bro literally destroyed an entire forest to sell a weapon of mass destruction
10:45 doji never hinted that he intended for rayuga to wield NEMESIS and used L drago as a test run for the real thing in the first place. infact he was fixated on L drago doing what nemesis was suposed to do which goes against what he claims later on. also the only conection zigarat had with nemesis was the bey stadium which took after the prototype nemesis thingy. so zigarat probaby bought that informaiton from them and thats how these bums living in the mountains had enough cash to higher people like chris. now when were first introduced to rayuga he does seem to be in a capsule like the arangement and that could be from zigarat as zigarat seemed to know doji when rayuga told him hes just like him.
Exactly!
Ziggurat, pluto and doji. These were the masterminds behind everything bad happening in the entire metal series
Dude, no offense, but your arguments are ridiculous.
Problem number 1. Tobi wasn't just healed and made stronger by Zigurat, he was also turned into a completely different person as Faust. The guy was literally brainwashed to the point where he no longer remembered who he actually was and was essentially used as a battery for a weapon of mass destruction. Again, HE BRAINWASHED A KID. In fact, we can go even further down with this argument. Now, was making Jack and Damian stronger unethical? No, by any means, but the show made quite a clear point that even in their case, even if no actual brainwashing was done, Zigurat essentially turned them into psychopats. Damian told Ginka that he doesn't believe the battles really have much meaning anyway. He mentally conditioned a child, not to enjoy the "sport" that he was taking part in, but to enjoy causing others to suffer with his skills. Imagine what would people say if they found out that a football coach, or a boxing coach or any other kind of teacher would go out of his way to instill into a kid, the "only results matter mentality" to the point where he would love beating the crap out of his opponents and have a sadistic desire to se them sad about loosing? You could even argue that he did the exact same thing to Jack, because in Metal Fury we see him after no longer being under Zigurat's influence and he seemed to genuinely enjoy battling without feeling the need to mentally torture his opponents.
Now, argument 2. You can't compare Zigurat to Albert Einstein. Were Einstein's discoveries used for dangerous weapons? Yes, but he never specifically wanted that and neither did he want to make a profit from weapon creation. Einstein was someone who loved science for science and wanted to see the world become a better place through it. Zigurat used a child as a battery for a weapon of mass destruction and blew to smithereens a large area(as far as I remember he was also going to destroy an island, before the protagonists stopped him) and showed that to the whole world as he said that he was gonna sell it to anyone. So, AGAIN, Einstein made discoveries that were used for weapons against his will, Zigurat freaking created a weapon of mass destruction and wanted to sell it to people(which would have probably caused wars) for money...
So yeah Zigurat was scum. If he would have just healed Tobi and only used Tempo as an energy source in order to power up cities in a clean way, you would have had a point, but like this, nope.
Bro forgot about how he legit toke over all of the konzern family networks so Julian was completely broke (bro was in his garcia ark)
MORE BEYBLADE MORE
3:01 yes he was apart of that whole thing dijo literally said this Nemesis was what the dark nebula and hades inc were trying to obtain ziggurat started to focus on money tho
I addressed that later
Calling him evil might not be entirely correct but this man certainly had some malice in him. I think the line where you said "He might have manipulated them but results are what matters" is exactly how I think Zuguratt thought, he wanted good results wether those results were for the best or not, but he is distinguished from the villains in the series because rather than want to rule or destroy the world, Ziguratt was simply selfish, bear in mind that despite turning weak bladers into strong ones and the spiral force being some that could be used for good, Ziguratt was more interested in using that for his own selfish gains, even if said gain was to satiate his curiosity.
This is exactly right!
Obviously my title is a little bit hyperbolic and clickbaity lol. He did do *some* things wrong. But my main point was simply that he was very different from the other two main villains of the show.
He did wrong, but what he did was legal just like he said. In actuality the bladers who invaded his place were committing crimes.
i like this....basically bro wanted clean energy basically. can u make a video on how the arrangement work exactly
Seeing the anime, it feels like there should be more explanations to the doctor. Especially what is his true goal, and did he actually agree with Pluto and Rago on “rebuilding a world of darkness” (I have a feeling that he don’t actually agree with them).
Anyway, the doctor still seems to be obviously evil and especially unethical, but it feels like he’s the least evil of the 3 main villains of the saga. The odd one of the 3 main villains who’s not pure evil, and isn’t someone who only has an inexcusably evil and stupid goal.
What are you on about my guy. Just because someone’s intentions are good, doesn’t mean that what he is doing is good. You keep talking about how all these bladers chose to do this… bro what in the hell. These are kids. They cannot consent. This is the most predatory argument I’ve heard all day. Also you keep saying that the arrangement doesn’t hurt them but in the show they specifically state that out of the thousands of kids that they scouted, only 3 of them could widstand the experiment and the others literally suffered physical and mental damages which ended their carreers as bladers. Also what are you talking about how it doesn’t brainwash them? The show straight says that ziggurat is a neurologist and that the arrangement alters the person’s brain💀. This guy is a predator: Zeo and Jack are mentally unstable and Damian straight up admits that he doesn’t care about beyblade. When Ginka asks why he’s doing this, he straight up doesn’t even know why himself. He thinks he’s chosen by faith because he was one of the few people to survive the arrangement.(Ah but yes, he definitely consented when he was 4yrs old🗿). They straight up say that damian doesn’t have any info about him unlike the other bladers at hades implying that he was just an orphan that they kidnapped. Bro it doesn’t even matter if it hurts them or not, the point is that they are drugging these kids… It doesn’t matter if Zeo agrees to the deal or not. Imagine a random dude coming up to you and being like: “yea i know ur grandma is dying, but we can treat her. The only thing I need you to do is take these steroids I’ve creates and fight Mike Tyson, but if you lose against him, we’re gonna let your grandma die”. Also they mention multiple times in metal masters that Hades had ties with the Dark Nebula. They were even the ones to control them in the first place. That’s the entire reason why Ryuga has a grudge against them. Like bro did we even watch the same show?
This video just has so many holes in it
Yay I never liked the idea of the antagonists of each season being connected in some way, it feels like a very last minute addition that honestly doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, and I personally find the idea of each season being a brand new adventure for our heroes a lot more charming. It also just makes it a lot more understandable when you look at the series in that perspective, that characters who had entire episodes centered around them in season 1 like Tetsuya and Sora don’t have any meaningful appearances in the later seasons.
2:31-Gross negligence is the word to describe Zigurat's goal,but that is still a crime.
That and the massive amount of environmental destruction he caused just to flex his creation.
3:44-Dude,using arrangements in beyblade nationals is like using drugs at the olimpics!
Is dangerous for them to use and unfair for everybody else.
And even tho Jack and Damian are fine physically,they also got messed up mentally!
10:33-Doji used stadiums capable to absorb power from beys to give Nemesis power.That could only be done by using the same technology as the spiral force.
11:17-Oh,and i almost forgot that he brought the bladers who worked for him to attack Gan Gan Galaxy in the middle of the city!
This guy is a TERRORIST!
Imagine if Dr. Ziggurat got a hold on a few ppl like Masamune, Benki, and Reji
im not if u seen or heard of hot wheels world race and acceleracers but there's this character name dr tezla and he did something similar where he makes a deal with drivers to win this race name "highway 35" and if a team able to finish highway 35, they get 5 mil but the thing is, there's this energy source that dr tezla need to study it for the use of clean energy. dr.ziggurat and dr.tezla are similar in way that they have ulterior reason for what they're doing.
But at least in the Highway 35 movie, Tezla seemed genuine about helping the Earth, and that power shortage that blew every fuse in North America was an accident. And Tezla even listened to the drivers in that he should not have the wheel, as that much power should not be in single person's hand, no matter of how much knowledge they have or careful they claim to be.
Unlike Zigarat, who actively chose to blow up an entire landscape just to demonstrate Spiral Force. That'd be like bombing two cities to show the power of nuclear energy.
what about him making a black hole flying city. you cannot tell me that it was justifiable. HE MADE A CITY THAT SHOOTS A BLACK HOLD USING TWISTED TEMPO
I need a video about wherw you would place Faust stength wise in Metal Fury
Cool idea. Will do.
@@Awsometime2 Lets go
Bro forgot he brainwashed Toby
I see you point and this is a very interesting video, but I would also like to make my own argument that Ziggurat DESTROYED a mountain when demonstrating SPIRAL Force and probably a lot of habit and animals while at it, so…😬
I wouldn’t call that evil just for the fact US did the same during castle bravo
@@AustinAvatarif u don’t think the US is evil ur delusional my guy
Get bro to 100
10:35 it was legit said they had ties too and may have actually owned if my memory is correct dark nebula
See ive always had my own head canon for beyblade, and ziggurat was just money and power hungry which is why he did what he did imo
Ive been trying to write up a way for him to return cuz the arrangement system could be used in many different ways.
(I also think the pod ryuga came out of in season 1, was a beta version of the arrangement system to allow ryuga to control the dark power)
Itd be cool if Z had a face turn and actually regretted what he did, and tried to help work with the wbba, itd be really interesting to see how everyone interacts with him.
The only bad thing I would say about Ziggurat is that although he healed Toby, he pretty much completely changed him. When you pay a hospital for a surgery or to fix something wrong with your body, they don’t completely change you or your personality. But other than that, Ziggurat was a neutral character.
Neutral is probably more fair yeah
Beyblade is still going on with its 4th gen but people were talking bout them for nostalgia but maybe in the future people will talk about the 3rd gen burst but who knows
The arrangement change tobi memory and make him vault that evil and he did heal him explain that part?
I mean bro just wanted money he even said that he stopped caring about good and evil all he wanted was profit that indicates that at some point he wanted to do good. Although Doji does state in Metal Fury that the purpose of Hades inc was to resurrect Nemesis although this is never brought up again.
You can’t tell me that Dr.Ziggurat did nothing wrong. He’s not pure evil but more like chaotic good.
Chaotic Neutral
@@marcoscabezolajr.8408 true
Ryuga used arrangement in the first season
I do believe that Ziggurat was part of the Nemesis Crew TM but, he was using them more for funding and things like that. If we go with this explanation it makes sense why Ziggurat would name his company Hades Inc. I think he believed that if he could do this then not even the God of Destruction would be able to stop him. So he didn't want to destroy the world, he was just manipulating the Nemesis Crew TM.
I wanted to say, while there was no evidence of Hades. Inc owning Dark Nebula, such an organization had to get its funding from somewhere and Nothingness is contradicted by Ziggurat using Dark Nebula to get data on L-Drago. In fact, it supports a lot in Metal Masters. But as for Dr. Ziggurat's goals, yes, he himself was aiming to take over using his research, but it actually is explained how his actions contributed to Nemesis' return. In the Episode where they meet Pluto, he explains that he was the actual figure behind Hades. Inc and in Metal Fury Episode 3, its explained that the destruction of the Spiral Force in space was the light that would predate the new Star Fragment coming to Earth. So seemingly, he looked up to Hades like the rest of the Cult, was inspired by them to make the Spiral Force and used that for plans of his own, but his plans created the light which would kickstart the events that'd reawaken Nemesis.
Now, I'm not going to call it a clean cut business with nothing shady whatsoever. But he wasn't a villain or anything, he was effectively just an enabler and a business man. It's simple supply and demand. Toby just happened to have negative side effects from the arrangement that corrupted his memory, making him someone else.
No. The show, if not outright, all but says he deliberately turned Toby into faust.
Honestly why did he have to pick a friend of one of the strongest bladers to be Faust, if he had just picked any other random dude the debate wouldn't be "omg that dude brainwashed one of our friends to keep him as a battery" but rather focus on the impact that the new energy could have in the world, also considering that the first use he saw in that energy was just to create a weapon of mass destruction, like he was about to start Cold War 2 just like that
The series could have taken better steps to cement Ziggy as a more compelling villain, imo.
I have to respectfully disagree and say that Ziggurat is a really bad person, on his own right. You can maybe say that he's not as bad as Doji, Hades or Rago, but that's just relative to them, Ziggurat is still a very bad person.
Ziggurat manipulated Zeo, he made it clear that he didn't care about him and only used him for Toby, outright admitting it to Zeo's face, and despite Zeo holding his end of the deal, Ziggurat lied and backstabbed and never truly held his end of the bargain. Sure, he cured Toby, but not because he cared about Zeo, it was for himself.
I'm pretty certain he knew that Zeo didn't want a brainwashed friend that didn't remember him whatsoever, and isn't simply just semantics. He put his members through horrible experiments that left many people mentally damaged for good, multiple times, and still went with the same experiments anyway. Keep in mind, the ones who agree to it are kids or teenagers in-universe. Damian and Jack were fine because they happened to be compatible with the system, and it's kind of a gamble of who is or isn't.
He was also willing to sell his world ending energy generator to literally anyone, without a care to who he sold it to, and he absolutely has the ethical responsibility to be careful of who he sold it to. In fact, why even make it so that the invention has the function to blow up landmasses? With such a dangerous invention, and with the original intention to solve an energy crisis, one would think he'd be less careless over who he sold it to. Him doing this for money makes it even worse, because he shows carelessness over who he sells it to as long as he can make money out of it, such a safety risk for his greed is absolutely not worth it.
Zigarat himself tells Ryuga that Hades inc was connected to dark nebula and that doji got corrupted by L Dragos dark power and went on a different path. But it is confirmed by Zigarat and Rio and Hikaru even find that out and tell Gingka. Then way later Doji comes back and says all the stuff about Nemesis
This is a good point but he also helped the dark nebula behind the scenes and he did help revive nemises as he developed the technology for him this was all stated by doji so he was just as bad
Im pretty sure doctor zigarot was behind the dark nebulas taking l drago but he wasnt a part of there plan to take over the world. Zigarot says himself im not like doji. Im assuming zigarot had dark nebula steal l drago so he could use its power to try to create his infinite energy but l dragos dark energy and doji tried taking over the world instead putting his plans on hold. He says it in the series i dont think its a plot hole.
He was part of the Nemesis Cult so he was majorly involved in the Revival of Nemesis, Hades Inc. is even named after King Hades who created Prototype Nemesis and Pluto if I recall was said to have found Hades Inc. himself
Good video, but it was all connected it's also talked about in metal masters episode 94. But yeah he probably wasn't as complicit.
Technically we don't know if toby actually agreed to it and you would think that they would have ti have a parent/guardian ti give consent but it's an anime so😅
This video was sponsored by Hades Inc 🤣
"You can sell anything and it can be used for evil shit."
*Stares at Rumba*
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It's his responsibility as a scientist to make sure what he creates will be used for good.
Creating artificially good athletes(steroids in real life) misses the point of fairness when competing. So you got that wrong too.
Only the vast minority of the test subjects survived the test. The rest went through so much pain. What if those bladers wanted to go through that? Would you say the same for athletes who want to use anabolic steroids to succeed? We aren't talking about energy as resource here. We are talking about infiltrating the system with guys that pay to win the conpetition so that he will make more money.
You were right about the healing of Masamune's friend but this only happened because Zigurat wanted more test subjects. The medical treatment he gave his friend was to also use him as a test subject. Since he thought his friend would die, he would be a perfect guinea pig.
Tempo was created by using data from Pegasus and Ldrago. Where is the fairness in that? This is worse than anabolic steroids. This would be dangerous for humanity. Maybe a Nemesis type of threat for the future.
11:25 He manipulated many bladers to get rid of the opposition he had (Gingka and friends here but why not use them in the future too?) and gain power and a personal army.
Of course all arcs are connected to Nemesis. This secret society's goal was world domination. They tried to achieve it with Ryoga and Doji but failed. There was no sign of the prophecy about Nemesis during Metal Masters so they tried to control the world through economics and constructed professional beybladers- test subjects and bladers with broken heart who wanted more power to validate themselves(like Julian). Those people were even willing to destroy a city for Zigurat as they were running around and fighting with the main characters.
In Metal Fury, at last, the prophecy of Nemesis was coming to pass, so they had another shot to dominate the world with the second bey that used dark power(Nemesis).
I still can't believe what I heard about the responsibilities scientists have. If a bad government uses AI fighting robots to control us in the future, will you say that the scientists that created those and sold them to this government have no responsibility? Having as priority profit instead of humanity must stop. We need our morals and ethics back.
I think they created a really good antagonist, even anti hero (good motives, bad execution), so creator's needs to make him that's typical bad guy (like Doji, possessed Ryuga and Rago). Nah, imagine if they kept a "good" guy Ziggy, who just want to make a perfect alternative energy, and after Ginkka and Masamune destroyed it world would considered them as terrorist.
J U S T I M A G I N E
P. S. Also arragement didn't make you stronger than you possibly can become, it's just help you open your full potential, so I dont even think it's a drug, just a shortcut
Gingka and the gang are quite literally terrorists in BB lol. One thing Ziggy was absolutely right about is that Spiral Force only became a world ending threat because Ryuga and Gingka destabilized it. Their argument of "oh well Ziggy still created it!" falls flat, because we make tech IRL all the time that's only dangerous if it goes out of control (I.E. Nuclear). If terrorists fuck up a nuclear power plant and it goes critical, you don't blame the nuclear scientists lmao.
To be far, your not entirely wrong. However is human experimentation is still morally questionable
Oh definitely.
Dr Ziggurat is misunderstood overall. Yes,Spiral Force is dangerous and is capable of wiping out islands and what not. But overall,we never see him intentionally trying to put anyone in danger. For example,he wanted Zeo to become more powerful and used Toby's Condition as motivation (Yes,it's a bit of a dick move.) but he did honor the deal and made Toby so much more powerful. Though,it would be interesting if Ziggurat got more of an "Supporting" role in Metal Fury and helped Gingka and the others with research and could even help them learn about Hades. Heck,I would've even loved to have seen him come with Madoka during the battle with Nemesis and even help the Legendary Bladers at times.
Ziggurat was affiliated with the cult of nemesis
The nemesis bladers literally used spiral force to suck the power of the legendary bladers and put it in nemesis
And doji himself even said the dark nebula and hades inc where working twords the nemesis revival
Obviously, it is unethical because without even practicing a thousand times, you are just getting better and better at a game and that is through the arrangement system. Dude, can't you discriminate between right and wrong??
About training to become a professional athlete, the blader's spirit argument is sort of analogous to the English idea of sport. Which is where sport is a game played by aristocratic amateurs who have other endeavours in life, and they just happen to be gifted at sport.
I disagree because in metal fury all the things that happen before were things use to help Nemesis to revive
Aight dude, if you sell a gun to a killer, you ARE doing evil shit 😂 Let's be fuckin real. That's the exact lesson that Iron Man learned in almost all his iterations.
And like you said, Dr. Ziggurat's company was a subsidiary of Dark Nebula. No Ziggurat didn't care about Douji's stupid megalomaniacal plans, but being a low level employee of a terrorist group is still unethical.
And another thing- Dr. Ziggurat is legitimately predatory. YES Zeo and Faust agreed to a deal. But that don't mean that being a living battery is cool. Tf was his plan again? Make Faust spin a Beyblade forever to generate electricity? The Doc made a shit deal to desperate kids foreal. It's just like that thing that happens in the K-Pop industry and the LA music industry. Powerful people offer tantalizing deals to desperate, bright-eyed rookies in exchange for their autonomy.
But hey I respect trying to have a fresh hot take tho. The new wave of Beyblade videos ARE becoming stale.
would i do the arrangement? Fuck yeah I would LMAO
You immediately lost me when you said he didn't have an ethical responsibility to make sure the people using his stuff for evil. He absolutely does have that responsibility
He manipulated Toby into thinking he was a completely different person. That is evil.
10:20 this wear your video is wrong even if you think it’s the writers trying to tie everything together the fact still stands that HD academy main goal was the aid in the revival of nemesis making dr ziggaurt evil by default.
Also even if his motivation was the “betterment of science” him selling his hydrogen bomb to anyone who can write a check is very irresponsible. Why not give it to the government since it was supposed to be sold as a way to give clean energy but instead he showed the destructive capabilities of it and said “yeah who ever writes the biggest check can have this hydrogen bomb”
6:58 it’s not a beyblade video until the narrator uses the n word
Dr ziggurat is also affiliated with doji,dark nebula, and pluto from metal fury as well
It probably was a means to an end.
@@stephvondames6369 doji was under ziggurat and pluto. Those two were the real ones behind the shadows. Doji was the lowest in the rankings. He was a means to an end
Thanks.
I mean steroids are banned irl so yeah, people are pretty against cheating your way into peak athleticism irl
Far as I know they’re not banned because it’s “cheating”. They’re banned because of the adverse health consequences - people don’t want to have a situation where you feel like you need to put your life on the line with these substances just to compete.
@@Awsometime2Under that mindset then I find the arrangement system unfair. Steroids is unfair and illegal because it’s unfair to make people experience pain and risk their lives to keep up.
The Arrangement system is similarly dangerous. Sure it’s painless for Jack and Damian, but I’m pretty sure as of now at least they’re an exception to the general rule. Ziggurat tested a lot of people with the arrangement system and only kept the most compatible for Starbreaker. Zoe is on starbreaker and the system hurts him immensely so I imagine it will hurt the vast majority of people. Meaning that while not everyone would be hurt using it a lot would have to risk that extreme pain and potentially worse just to keep up with it.
This guy is evil for being manipulative he turned toby into a mindless obedient slave I don't care if he is stronger if it comes at the cost of his character of who he used to be before the arrangement system which means that He didn't do it out of the kindness of his heart.
He is guy that is definitely not morally sound and what he did was all for money which is greedy not considering how it is used and him only thinking about him selfish but irresponsible.
The reaklessness of this guy's actions, not only that someone could have stolen, reverse engineered and mass produced this technology
The fact that he does not care about how it is used is just blissful ignorance.
This guy did this for money and power.
Not was it not a wise choice for them to stop this from happening they made this man waste thousands of dollars worth of useful technology that could have changed the beyblade world,
The government definitely should have gotten involved and either regulated the safetyness of this new technology to discover any environmental hazards, and the Energy Efficiency of this technology and failure to comply with the regulations will either result in the business transaction be sanctioned or out right shut down and annihilated once it leaves the earth atmosphere.
Leaving a comment. Way too many beyblade commentators just be gawking at hype moments. they don’t have good analysis like you.
The only reason i disagree with that he didn't do anything wrong is cause of the amount of bladers he recruited and mislead, he said that his arrangements makes them strong as hell, but he never explained to balders that the machines were not perfect and that he was experimenting with them, and thus a lot of bladers went into his hd academy and most of them failed their arrangements with all of them ending the career as bladers with mental and physical problems, also if not for ryuya he would've flattened an island, the dude may not have broken any laws in the eyes of the law but it is behind scenes corrupt like a politician, promising and misleading bkaders to take his Arrangements when he knows full well his machines are not perfect
OH REALLY NOW?!
Created, a large super weapon and thought it was ethical to just sell it to the highest bidder with no regard for how it's used.
So no not evil but very irresponsible and proud.
I can agree with that
What about him being the one who sent Doji after L-Drago
@StarKaiser2 wait it never said he sent Doji? It was the nemesis bladers, likely Pluto who did
@@marcoscabezolajr.8408 he used the Dark Nebula to send Ryuga to Koma Village and Doji worked under him
4:00 Natty vs Roider type argument
You not wrong lmao
Do og beyblade pls
Indian?
He was a bad guy. Conversation over lmao, what kind of question is this
Idk man, the only evil thing he did was turning Toby. The arrangement was a volunteer operation and wasn’t evil. It had side effects but the intent wasn’t to kill nor harm. And he created spiral force as a alternative energy source but just wanted money.
Dick Scientist yes, but bad not really
@@AustinAvatar like you said, he was evil! He brainwashed and turned Toby evil! End of discussion lol
@@AustinAvatar that’s… a blatantly evil act lol. He’s evil
We all know that ginka won against damian because of pure plot armour
I disagree, an arrangement should never be as powerful as real power.
@earthinthecomments4944 real power also known as plot armour
@@Angeljin-Fq5yx That's as dumb as saying Ryuga's power is plot armour.
@earthinthecomments4944 look you can bark and complain like a sad puppy all day long I ain't gonna stop you. Fact is fact. You denying it is not gonna make this fact go away. So you can deny it all you want to. Besides ryuga is a tritogonist like shu kurenai from beyblade. Protagonist usually have the most plot armour. And ryuga is not a Protagonist. Ginka is
Ziggurat's plan is diffrent from that of Doji and Pluto (the purple haired guy that tried to resurect Nemesis). He explicitly said in the episod "The plot Thickens" that he wanted to use the power of beybs to take control of preexisting sources of power (the economy, governments...), so Ziggurat wanted ot create a society dominated by Hades Inc. (some sort of dystopian society). The real reason Gingka and his friends oppose him is idelogical aside form the fact his invention is dangerous and Toby has been brainwashed. Gingka said that he can let Ziggurat use "their" beys to do what he wants. And that is what's interesting is that Gingka may not be totaly right: he wants to use beyblade to have fun and friendly fight, but their extraordinary power could help humanity in a way. However Ziggurat is corrupt as fuck. He only care about money, he joind a cult that worshipps a lovecraftian horror, he brainswashed kids, turn Damian (who could possibly be his son) into a sadistic monster with a god complex, ruined Julian's family and turned him against his friends, played with the life of Toby and so on. SO no, Ziggurat isn't a mindless evil like Doji but he is evil, like a C.E.O. in world were spininng tops are magic.
It was beyblade steroids
I thought the same thing when I watched the Metal Masters series
I don’t think he’s evil. He has some questionable ethics. But a lot of the villains (Gracias for example) are very understandable
I view the arrangements are like PEDs
a lot of these are good points, but arrangements are definetley cheating. you say that if actual athletes had shortcuts to get to the top they would use them, but that's already a thing due to steroids, which are obviously illegal in sporting leagues. Not to mention different people react to steroid injectiions differently, just like how all of the bladers reacted to the arrangements differentley. im not saying that the invention of an arrangement machine is evil, because it can cure illness, just like how steroids can cure illness. but using arrangements with just the intent of becoming a better blader is definetly unjust.
at least this video wasnt just the shitty copy and paste "beyblade was not this serious" videos from people who havent played in 14 years
Dude I know lmao. Nice to see BB getting attention again but that shit got old
Beyblades super popular and always has been its been getting attention nonstop, but for mfb the pure absurdity makes it comparable to like jjk or dbz which brought that anime back into mainstream@@Awsometime2
He is brainwashing wdym tobi left the chat
Well I do admit he did nothing wrong it's still more still like morally grey
He’s not evil he’s a scientist he even states it
He;s is evil.
He is evil.
@@jeemiahedwardiii6857 you are dumb
@@Gadget-Walkmen-km5rc you are dumb
Making points BUT At the end of the day its a kids show to sell toys and you be reading into too much