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I’m grateful that this video highlighted the economic importance of palm oil. As a forestry student in Malaysia, we understand that while maintaining the ecology of forest is important, so is palm oil as it’s the main export for our country and surrounding region. Thus, to completely stop palm oil production or plantation is unrealistic and thus need a better solution (i.e, riparian buffer strips)
Just BTW, the reason we switched we switched to trans-fats in the 1980's is because we discovered naturally saturated fats, like bacon grease & butter fat, are associated with a higher risk of heart attack & stroke. I still remember grocery store products labeled "No Saturated fats" (Although, we later discovered there are also genetic factors where some people can metabolize saturated fats much better than others.) But, the trans-fat process just takes a unsaturated fat & makes it saturated!!!! Sometimes that was done using radioactive copper as a catalyst. When people found out, they were outraged!!!!! However, people were more outraged their food was produced by an "unnatural" chemical process - people were less outraged that by converting an unsaturated fat to a saturated fat, it eliminated any healthy benefit. I still remember TV infomercials saying "Don't buy those unnatural trans-fat products! They're made with radioactive copper!!!!" So food producers took advantage of that by labeling their products as "No Trans-fats! All natural!" -- But they did not tell people they were going back to the natural saturated fats. But not everything natural is good for you health - think about it - eucalyptus leaves contain cyanide, so you would not want to eat them, even though eucalyptus leaves are totally natural. Palm Oil contains multiple fatty acids, some of which are unsaturated, but most are saturated fats. Again to be fair, some people can eat lots of saturated fats their entire lives with no ill effect. For example, people from the Philippines whose ancestors relied on eating coconuts from palm trees for thousands of years can process the waxy saturated fats from palm trees pretty well, because any of their ancestors who could not survive on that diet died & did not pass on their DNA. People whose ancestors come from Northern Europe, well, some can & some cannot
@@wcdeich4 Trans fats are NOT made with "radioactive copper". That is a bunch of nonsense. Trans fat is also not saturated. If it was, it COULDN'T be trans. Trans fats are created when unsaturated fats are partially hydrogenated. The belief that saturated fat is harmful is also on pretty shaky ground. More cardiovascular disease is caused by sugar and rapidly metabolized carbohydrates than by saturated fat.
@@incognitotorpedo42 "Trans fats are created when unsaturated fats are partially hydrogenated" - yes exactly. Copper is one of the main catalysts used in the process. Actually that claim the copper is radioactive probably came from marketing gurus of the sugar industry.
@@incognitotorpedo42 "More cardiovascular disease is caused by sugar" Yes absolutely. And what does your body do with that sugar if you don't use up the calories? It gets stored as fat. Actually, doctors have recently realized how strong the influence of genetics is. Back in the 80s there were a lot of headlines about people eating saturated fat dying of heart attacks. Those cases were true, but, your individual risk from saturated fatty foods depends your genetic traits.
@@incognitotorpedo42 But my point was the deceptiveness of the ad campaigns. Back in the 80s they were advertising no saturated fats, but they used hydrogenation techniques to make the naturally unsaturated oils become saturated. Then when word got out about their dirty chemical trickery in the early 2000s, they started advertising "no trans fats" but they really went back to the naturally saturated fats people did not want to begin with. And yes, depending on your genetics, saturated fats are not as dangerous of people were originally afraid of --- but ---- commercials are still really deceptive.
Finally, some realistic view on the problem about SEA rainforest, i really hate when ppl just spouting argument about palm oil is bad for rainforest without first see the impact of the said sector in economic and social politics, those palm oil is the highest source of export of indonesia, also one of the reason indonesia can start up their economy from developing nation into emerging market and now as member of G20 and no 7 in terms of GDP(PPP). By asking indonesia should they stop palm oil production is just like asking swiss to stop their banking sector, they wont comply because it's their life and blood...... what we should do is exactly a sustainability, even demand for palm oil will reach its peak someday, then what should we do before and after we reach peak demand? how can we sustain rainforest while still maintaining sustainability? Palm oil industri is sure devastating to rain forest, but government had their own issues to solve, one of this is economic issue. if you guys really want rain forest to stay exist, i hoped you guys stay realistic and looking at the problem from several different angle to see the bigger picture, last time enviromentalist spouting solution without seeing the whole picture rainforest got devastated to give room on higher demand palm oil for biodiesel as the video says.....
Yes apparently Indonesians and the government saw the big picture and f'ed everything so bad that their capital (Jakarta) is a sinking piece of contaminated plastic covered by industrial solvent and air pollution so bad it burns your skin. Swiss example is logical fallacy 'faulty analogy'. South East Asia is due for a major humanitarian crisis and when it hits hundreds of millions will suffer immensely and West will have to clean the mess for them. Want sustainability? Adopt sustainable measures, depopulate, eradicate corruption, establish symbiotic relationship with nature, promote scientific methods, renounce capitalism and renew the bond between the ppl so they look for the common interest instead of pursuing selfish lifestyle.
@@17ephp the problem with logic is that you are sitting comfy in a first world country that did all the shitty shit 150 years ago. It is really easy when you have already reaped the benefits of destroying nature. If the western world wants 2. and 3. World countries to adopt expensive, but good measures the first world has to pay for it. What incentive does a poor farmer in Brazil has to listen to you?
Agreed. In the western world activists just shout "BAN ALL CARS" and chain themselves to a fence and then pretend they saved the world. Achieving nothing.
@@MaksimiliansPirs For starters learn how it works. And To answer your question: yes. It gave a boost to our civilization, just like hydrocarbons and now both are driving us towards the cliff at 100km/h. In Capitalism you have to work more than you're paid to. It is exploitative system. The invisible hand only cares about posting the profit the next quarter, it doesn't give a Fffk about lives destroyed or sacrificed, about sustainability and overall human well-being. Don't stop polluting the water, just buy bottled water. Don't clean up food sources, just get cancer treatment.
Another, long term, solution is to uplift these countries economically. A first world country is one that is able and more willing to address environmental issues.
There was an article that I read that said that once people’s GDP reaches about $5,000 per year, they start caring about the environment, probably because they are no longer concerned about dying that day. Economic development is the only real solution.
Have you seen that most of the rainforest has been lost in just the last 5 years on borneo, even a century from now i doubt theyd care much about the envirnment
@@Lyle-xc9pg again, we so care But so does like any other country, we also want money Both to fix the problem and to feed ourselves You can't say a poor person is stingy because he won't donate a cause if that means that they won't be able to pay the rent this month
@@psychlops924 What you say is true... but then look at the damage it caused to uplift only the western world to first world standart. About 85% of current enviromental damages come just from us. Our ecosystem simply collapses before all humanity reaches first world standart. At least if we keep doing business as we do now.
This video is so underrated. Every video or article I've seen about the rainforest being cut down and burned down just restates why it's bad and why rainforests are important for the Earth but never actually explains why they are being cut down and they never give any actual solution to the problem.
Yeah those famous "Rainforests are lungs of the earth" videos which are bullshit since they don't even know that ocean's are the lungs of the earth. x)
Nice voice, but she needs to pause for breath! I need the occasional break just to process all the information. Not Irish or Scottish - unless she's lived in the States for a long time.
This seems like the most honest take on deforestation. I hate it when eco nut jobs deny the humanity of the local inhabitants saying that they shouldn’t do this or can’t do that and we’re going to stop them.
Have you seen that most of the rainforest has been lost in just the last 5 years on borneo, even a century from now i doubt theyd care much about the envirnment
Forests get cleared to turn into crop fields for animal feed (soy, corn etc.). Eliminating animal products from your diet is the best way to slow down deforestation anywhere.
I always think that these well-meant ideas aim past the real problem: modern-day capitalist economy demands endless growth in a limited system - the earth. All initiatives to save the eviroment are ultimately swallowed up by an endlessly growing economy.
The first couple minutes you should tell the truth. All that money was actually denied by the Brazilian president. It wasn't that it didn't do enough it's that it never got put to use.
Not to mention, $22 million, really? Between several countries?! That's, like, the budget of The Emoji Movie!! Sounds like a lot to us individuals, but to a government it's peanuts. Couch change. Still, I suppose every bit helps--if, as you say, it was actually applied to the problem in the first place! But Brazil isn't trying unsuccessfully to stop out-of-control wildfires, as in California; they're setting the fires *deliberately*. So of course the government doesn't give a shit about trying to stop them. It's *encouraging* them!
Tragedy of the Commons running rampant. Everything is about near-sighted profit for those in power. The care shown by Norway and Germany is awesome. Also, China helping with forestation is also really inspiring
Awesome video! Would be great to have a citation on the bottom right of the video when you’re talking about specific studies - I know they’re in the description but I’m not sure which you’re talking about! Love it!
I love the pragmatic, clear, earnest, and calm presentation of this fascinating topic. It’s refreshing to watch a rainforest video without over-the-top panic or hype. Thank you for your work.
Love both 'Real' channels, the videos you and Brian create with the team are awesome, entertaining and importantly educational. Watching animal & nature die on a large scale at our own hands, primarily for greed, is such a saddening reality. Thanks for sharing this important message.
How to save the rainforest: mandatory forced resource + wealth distribution, solve food insecurity, stop wasting food, limit human population by encouraging people to stop having children and abort unwanted fetuses. it's a simple calculus. This universe is finite, its resources, finite. If life is left unchecked, life will cease to exist. The Thanos method can work under very specific circumstances but isn’t recommended at all.
I truly enjoy your videos and the following criticism is not an attack on you, consider it a way to communicate to your viewers. A perfect example of eyes wide shut. The real reason the forest is being cut down is because people there are poor and in great numbers, trying to have a family and children or what you would call a life, yet have no opportunity. The comment at the end about them moving their economy along to other things paints over so much human suffering and struggle. I do not envisage a solution, I wish I could as this involves my own family. Simply banning cutting down of trees and protecting land is not a viable solution acceptable to the people who live there.
My toothpaste doesn't contain palm oil, my soaps don't contain palm oil, my food doesn't contain palm oil, etc. For the last two years I've been going Zero Waste, it just makes sense and you simply need to: 1. Be aware of your ingredients. 2. Stop buying packaged goods, especially plastic. 3. Buy local! My soap, eggs, etc, comes from various parts of my region that I physically bike to from my home. FYI I don't live in middle rural America, I'm on Vancouver Island, an amazing rainforest region in Canada.
At 5:58 you said boycotts in US and Europe won’t help bc we don’t use a lot of palm oil. However we do buy lots and lots of products from China that do use palm oil. So these boycotts will have an effect. Idk if that’s exactly what that graph said but it’s just an idea.
Nice timing with the topic of trees. I thought it was another #teamtrees video :) you cold include the link in the description to spread the message. :D
This is a very informative video. I am a businessman that would like to save and restore areas like this in the video. Proper use of market forces can make it a sustainable development.
Regular wildfires are also indicating a similar pattern on careful observations that desertifications in plains areas has diverting water horizons towards them from hilly forest areas in lower horizons of soils … That are making forests areas lacks of water level despite of having forests and Wildfires are are becoming potentially rampant…
Forests of Uttarakhand are also having rampant wildfires ( may be human made ) but sustainable ignition shows that somewhere it get supported by inadequate water recharge in plain areas …
Also even worse,they didn't even consider local people health,there is so much smog in Borneo and also contribute to greenhouse emmitions(isn't just making furniture out of it better?)thats my experience(sometimes the smog even spread to Singapore)
Thank you for the amazing content. Goes to show that you don't need millions of subs or $ to make professional and outstanding content! Keep it up, you will make it to the millions in no time!
@@aronseptianto8142 Why is it hard? Chicken tastes good and it's cheaper than beef. Fish is awesome, although it can be expensive. It isn't necessary or even a good idea to eat large amounts of meat.
Hm. Ik it's bad, but I'm quite surprised that (my country) Indonesia has the largest riperian reserve requirement, though i doubt that it's actually done
@@kierancalder8573 not possible for Palm tree It's a tree, quite easy to see the problem We're someone engineer/found something equivalent to Palm tree oil but in the form of shrub/berries that can be planted more compactly It'll both make the oil company more profitable and make them less eager to clear more land
The root cause of the problem is that the population of people concerned with the fate of rainforests lives very far from them. And populations near those consider jungle a nuisance, and are more concerned with putting bread on the table. Trying to enforce global rules on local governments will never going to work, unless somehow the pristine rainforest becomes a place which produces money by merely existing. This can be done by drastically increasing ecological tourism industry, but there's only so much tourists who will go in every year, and they tend to concentrate in hotspots. In an utopian world run by scientists, universities would have the money to rent rainforest territory en masse from governments, but that requires having as much power as oil cartels.
The trouble i’m having is yes i want to support the people of these rainforests but i also want to see progress in replanting the acres, so which charity will make a difference there’s so many.
"Before we save the rainforest we need to understand it". This is a good idea if you're fine with there being no rainforest left by the time you're not even a fraction of the way through understanding anything. This type of thinking is just another form of kicking the can down the road. If we don't fully understand the effects of deforesting the rainforest, then we shouldn't be deforesting the rainforest. No amount of personal comfort justifies the permanent erasing of millions of years of history and evolution and destruction of the planet.
Amazing content as always!! I'm curious though, does anyone know the specific song name that begins playing at 7:20? It's used very often in both Real Science and Real Engineering videos. I assume it's on Epidemic Sound somewhere but it'd be impossible to find without the specific name or the genre/category it's in on that website.
@@neoscarlet3588 I try and keep a semi up-to-date list of all the music for the different channels I work on: haerther.net/how-to-actually-save-the-rainforest-real-science/
so this video focuses almost exclusively on Palm Oil when it also explains here 3:27, that Palm Oil is basically 1/3 of the issue. will there be another video addressing the cattle ranching and what must be done to counteract it?
When we start resorting to half-arsed solutions like surrounding adjacent forests (after slash and burn), animal relocation, partially degraded forests, strips of forest along river banks and even the ability of palm oil plantations themselves supporting wildlife, we know that the we have already lost the battle. This is NOT a solution. This is admission of defeat to the palm oil industry. Basically, we're saying that we can do nothing about this destructive industry and have to resort to these compromised defeatist approaches to temporarily protect the last measly remains of whatever rainforests we have left on earth. Also, how on earth are we supposed to magically come up with all this extra land to restore young forests?? Land is finite and the palm oil industry knows that. They won't stop until they have decimated every last remaining square inch of the Bornean rainforests. If we actually want to save the rainforests, we have TAKE BACK all the land from the palm oil industry. STOP USING PALM OIL PRODUCTS, PERIOD! LIVE A MINIMALSTIC LIFESTYLE! GO VEGAN! FUCK THE PALM OIL ECONOMY and SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT!
So I wonder, humans are able to make landmasses in the ocean that were not previously there, for recreational use of course. So would it be possible to do the same thing to create extra land in order to either one, sustain the Palm oil industry or for 2, to expand the rainforests?....
The solution of the majority of these issues is relatively easy and clear but difficult to implement. Just offer more money to the farmers to protect the forests instead of the money they obtain from the land usage in agriculture, in general the agriculture is an extremely risky business that depends on a lot of external factors for its success. If you offer a steady stream of income for the people who own and work the land they would take it in the blink of an eye.
Attach high carbon steel bits and chunks of industrial diamonds to trees as they grow so the foreign objects eventually get encapsulated in the tree of forest that should probobly be protected. This will wear down or break tree cutting equipment and be the adaptation the trees won't be able to accomplish themselves.
This is all very nice and interesting, but just band-aids. The underlying problem is the demand and nothing is being done to address it. The solution is the one most don't want to even think about: cut the demand altogether. And where is the demand? In the growing population. (As a species we are too self-centered and don't want to make meaningful changes, until nature will painfully force us; like the Rapa Nui) These efforts are like trying to grow thinner by studying the ratios of food groups while eating the same amount of food (or in our case, increasing it). These efforts are trying to have our cake and eat it too.
Wouldn't cutting down trees and replanting them be better since they are effectively natural carbon storage entities? (assuming they aren't burned) Also, since the industrial revolution, the northern hemisphere actually regrew the forest mass that was lost and then some, from what I've read, which surely counteracts some of the effects of forest loss in the tropical regions of the world. Furthermore, extinction events aren't permanent, given we had five extinction events and the world rebounded in all five instances with species that evolved and adapted to survive the new environmental conditions. That's evolution at work. Some may actually argue that saving species from extinction prevents that natural cycle from taking place. Man-made environmental change is still natural in the sense that one species is out-competing other species, forcing some to adapt. It's no different than when dinosaurs roamed the planet and killed everything in their path, both animal and plant-based life. Extinctions are part of the life cycle and our need to save species has more to do with us and our sensibilities than the species we are trying to save. I say this as someone who loves nature and animals.
That's a lot of denialist information you got there. But remember that one time the the American chestnut tree went fucking extinct? And that one time that we bleached coral reefs? And that one time that we got rid of an entire sea-sized lake for cotton production, resulting in toxic sandstorms and turning once live water into a disease causing desert? You're not supposed to fucking excuse what humanity has done.
By all means, what is ridiculous or denialist about it? Besides the reforesting statement that I am not familiar with, all the things stated in his post are factually correct. You may not like it, but that does not make it wrong. Looking at us from a distance, we can do nothing unnatural, because we *are* nature. And funnily enough, the only species that thinks humanity is doing something wrong is... humanity! Because as far as science has found so far we are the only species intelligent enough to form such an opinion.
H Kr well since you agree with the rwforesting being wrong technically he is right but these changes are happening waaaayyy to fast, and all the prior extinction events took millions of years to return to normal, and it’s already evident that it’s a problem with Antarctica losing their ice. Literally look up the Maldives, 60,000 people who live like one meter above sea level. Even if you don’t care about them coastal cities everywhere will be affected. Climate change is a problem, and I hope you can recognize it.
@@declanducc3139 I do, but nobody in this thread said it wasn't. Also, I did not say the reforesting statement was wrong at all. I said that I'm not familiar with it. Big difference.
Excellent viewing. But still very depressing and scary. The solution would be to plant those palms among the rainforest...but big corporations won't have it....they need all of the land to plant plant plant...Would love to go to sleep and wake up in 50 years and see....Java will be under water, and 10 mil plus ppl will be moving to Borneo and Sumatra....no forests left, no palm oil plantations either...new concrete jungle...that is the future of Indonesia.
So basically we have to accept that whole areas will be sacrificed to save others. Definitely not ideal, but we can’t blame people for not wanting to develop their countries. Sometimes you have to do bad to do good
Yes, they stop contributing the funds, because their own people and the forest and environment surrounding their country, also need that funding. Brazil must realize this
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Real Science how comes it wasn’t mentioned in the video?
@@danieldc8841 Probably edited before they decided to join in
I’m glad you guys joined in!
Your video doesnt link to the fundraiser like many other creators did?
Addison Martin this video was finished before Mark contacted me. We just uploaded it early for the sake of the charity
This video really gets to the root of the problem.
What's your channel about?
@@FlamingBasketballClub puns
Are you guys paid for every pun you make.
Please stop.
Minute Earth. Let's go save the rainforest in the world!💪💪
I’m grateful that this video highlighted the economic importance of palm oil. As a forestry student in Malaysia, we understand that while maintaining the ecology of forest is important, so is palm oil as it’s the main export for our country and surrounding region. Thus, to completely stop palm oil production or plantation is unrealistic and thus need a better solution (i.e, riparian buffer strips)
Just BTW, the reason we switched we switched to trans-fats in the 1980's is because we discovered naturally saturated fats, like bacon grease & butter fat, are associated with a higher risk of heart attack & stroke. I still remember grocery store products labeled "No Saturated fats" (Although, we later discovered there are also genetic factors where some people can metabolize saturated fats much better than others.) But, the trans-fat process just takes a unsaturated fat & makes it saturated!!!! Sometimes that was done using radioactive copper as a catalyst. When people found out, they were outraged!!!!! However, people were more outraged their food was produced by an "unnatural" chemical process - people were less outraged that by converting an unsaturated fat to a saturated fat, it eliminated any healthy benefit. I still remember TV infomercials saying "Don't buy those unnatural trans-fat products! They're made with radioactive copper!!!!" So food producers took advantage of that by labeling their products as "No Trans-fats! All natural!" -- But they did not tell people they were going back to the natural saturated fats. But not everything natural is good for you health - think about it - eucalyptus leaves contain cyanide, so you would not want to eat them, even though eucalyptus leaves are totally natural. Palm Oil contains multiple fatty acids, some of which are unsaturated, but most are saturated fats. Again to be fair, some people can eat lots of saturated fats their entire lives with no ill effect. For example, people from the Philippines whose ancestors relied on eating coconuts from palm trees for thousands of years can process the waxy saturated fats from palm trees pretty well, because any of their ancestors who could not survive on that diet died & did not pass on their DNA. People whose ancestors come from Northern Europe, well, some can & some cannot
@@wcdeich4 Trans fats are NOT made with "radioactive copper". That is a bunch of nonsense. Trans fat is also not saturated. If it was, it COULDN'T be trans. Trans fats are created when unsaturated fats are partially hydrogenated. The belief that saturated fat is harmful is also on pretty shaky ground. More cardiovascular disease is caused by sugar and rapidly metabolized carbohydrates than by saturated fat.
@@incognitotorpedo42 "Trans fats are created when unsaturated fats are partially hydrogenated" - yes exactly. Copper is one of the main catalysts used in the process. Actually that claim the copper is radioactive probably came from marketing gurus of the sugar industry.
@@incognitotorpedo42 "More cardiovascular disease is caused by sugar" Yes absolutely. And what does your body do with that sugar if you don't use up the calories? It gets stored as fat. Actually, doctors have recently realized how strong the influence of genetics is. Back in the 80s there were a lot of headlines about people eating saturated fat dying of heart attacks. Those cases were true, but, your individual risk from saturated fatty foods depends your genetic traits.
@@incognitotorpedo42 But my point was the deceptiveness of the ad campaigns. Back in the 80s they were advertising no saturated fats, but they used hydrogenation techniques to make the naturally unsaturated oils become saturated. Then when word got out about their dirty chemical trickery in the early 2000s, they started advertising "no trans fats" but they really went back to the naturally saturated fats people did not want to begin with. And yes, depending on your genetics, saturated fats are not as dangerous of people were originally afraid of --- but ---- commercials are still really deceptive.
Video very well made, should be seen by more people
Finally, some realistic view on the problem about SEA rainforest, i really hate when ppl just spouting argument about palm oil is bad for rainforest without first see the impact of the said sector in economic and social politics, those palm oil is the highest source of export of indonesia, also one of the reason indonesia can start up their economy from developing nation into emerging market and now as member of G20 and no 7 in terms of GDP(PPP).
By asking indonesia should they stop palm oil production is just like asking swiss to stop their banking sector, they wont comply because it's their life and blood......
what we should do is exactly a sustainability, even demand for palm oil will reach its peak someday, then what should we do before and after we reach peak demand? how can we sustain rainforest while still maintaining sustainability?
Palm oil industri is sure devastating to rain forest, but government had their own issues to solve, one of this is economic issue. if you guys really want rain forest to stay exist, i hoped you guys stay realistic and looking at the problem from several different angle to see the bigger picture, last time enviromentalist spouting solution without seeing the whole picture rainforest got devastated to give room on higher demand palm oil for biodiesel as the video says.....
Yes apparently Indonesians and the government saw the big picture and f'ed everything so bad that their capital (Jakarta) is a sinking piece of contaminated plastic covered by industrial solvent and air pollution so bad it burns your skin. Swiss example is logical fallacy 'faulty analogy'.
South East Asia is due for a major humanitarian crisis and when it hits hundreds of millions will suffer immensely and West will have to clean the mess for them.
Want sustainability? Adopt sustainable measures, depopulate, eradicate corruption, establish symbiotic relationship with nature, promote scientific methods, renounce capitalism and renew the bond between the ppl so they look for the common interest instead of pursuing selfish lifestyle.
@@17ephp the problem with logic is that you are sitting comfy in a first world country that did all the shitty shit 150 years ago. It is really easy when you have already reaped the benefits of destroying nature. If the western world wants 2. and 3. World countries to adopt expensive, but good measures the first world has to pay for it.
What incentive does a poor farmer in Brazil has to listen to you?
Agreed. In the western world activists just shout "BAN ALL CARS" and chain themselves to a fence and then pretend they saved the world. Achieving nothing.
I forgot to refresh the page., Go green is exactly the type of person I am talking about.
@@MaksimiliansPirs
For starters learn how it works. And To answer your question: yes.
It gave a boost to our civilization, just like hydrocarbons and now both are driving us towards the cliff at 100km/h.
In Capitalism you have to work more than you're paid to. It is exploitative system. The invisible hand only cares about posting the profit the next quarter, it doesn't give a Fffk about lives destroyed or sacrificed, about sustainability and overall human well-being.
Don't stop polluting the water, just buy bottled water.
Don't clean up food sources, just get cancer treatment.
Another, long term, solution is to uplift these countries economically.
A first world country is one that is able and more willing to address environmental issues.
That'll take time
For now though
Palm oil is our live blood
And we need it to reach first world status in the first place
There was an article that I read that said that once people’s GDP reaches about $5,000 per year, they start caring about the environment, probably because they are no longer concerned about dying that day. Economic development is the only real solution.
Have you seen that most of the rainforest has been lost in just the last 5 years on borneo, even a century from now i doubt theyd care much about the envirnment
@@Lyle-xc9pg again, we so care
But so does like any other country, we also want money
Both to fix the problem and to feed ourselves
You can't say a poor person is stingy because he won't donate a cause if that means that they won't be able to pay the rent this month
@@psychlops924 What you say is true... but then look at the damage it caused to uplift only the western world to first world standart. About 85% of current enviromental damages come just from us. Our ecosystem simply collapses before all humanity reaches first world standart. At least if we keep doing business as we do now.
What is this? National Geography? Seriously amazing work!
This video is so underrated. Every video or article I've seen about the rainforest being cut down and burned down just restates why it's bad and why rainforests are important for the Earth but never actually explains why they are being cut down and they never give any actual solution to the problem.
Yeah those famous "Rainforests are lungs of the earth" videos which are bullshit since they don't even know that ocean's are the lungs of the earth. x)
The narrator's voice is so trippy, it's somewhere in the middle of American and Scottish 😂 But I like it!
She is Irish
I will tell her...She is an awesome narrator
@@Phantoms4 Which is somewhere in the middle of America and Scotland ;-)
Nice voice, but she needs to pause for breath! I need the occasional break just to process all the information. Not Irish or Scottish - unless she's lived in the States for a long time.
Fantastic. We need bipartisan perspectives like these shouted from the rooftops!
This seems like the most honest take on deforestation. I hate it when eco nut jobs deny the humanity of the local inhabitants saying that they shouldn’t do this or can’t do that and we’re going to stop them.
Have you seen that most of the rainforest has been lost in just the last 5 years on borneo, even a century from now i doubt theyd care much about the envirnment
@@Lyle-xc9pgEU ACABEI DE ENTREGAR TEU IP PARA AS FORCAS ARMADAS DO BRASIL AGORA. VOCÊ ESTÁ SENDO RASTREADO PELO GOVERNO DO BRASIL AGORA.
@@Lyle-xc9pgCadê AS floresta de TEU PAÍS chamado de ricos? CADÊ QUE VOCÊS ESTÃO REFLORESTANDO 50% DE SUAS CIDADES, CAPITAIS E METRÓPOLES?
5:18 nothing truer has been stated
The feeling of guilt being human is strong in this vid.
5:39 controversial or not, that's some uniquely stylized well-animated stuff. And I looove that.
Forests get cleared to turn into crop fields for animal feed (soy, corn etc.). Eliminating animal products from your diet is the best way to slow down deforestation anywhere.
Yeah, I'm really surprised that this wasn't mentioned at all in the video!
We need vitamin b12
@@htoodoh5770 You can buy B12 supplements and they are very cheap. A lot of multivitamins already contain B12 in them.
@@bgtubber fish and eggs have vitamin b12
@@htoodoh5770 I don't eat animals due to environmental and health reasons.
Finally someone not making a Shitty 3 minutes long video about this cause.
I always think that these well-meant ideas aim past the real problem: modern-day capitalist economy demands endless growth in a limited system - the earth. All initiatives to save the eviroment are ultimately swallowed up by an endlessly growing economy.
The first couple minutes you should tell the truth. All that money was actually denied by the Brazilian president. It wasn't that it didn't do enough it's that it never got put to use.
Not to mention, $22 million, really? Between several countries?! That's, like, the budget of The Emoji Movie!! Sounds like a lot to us individuals, but to a government it's peanuts. Couch change.
Still, I suppose every bit helps--if, as you say, it was actually applied to the problem in the first place! But Brazil isn't trying unsuccessfully to stop out-of-control wildfires, as in California; they're setting the fires *deliberately*. So of course the government doesn't give a shit about trying to stop them. It's *encouraging* them!
The Brazilian president didn't want to be puppet for the EU and this will damage his reputation
You're not suggesting the money disappeared into Bolsenario's family bank accounts are you? :o]
@@KryssLaBryn setting fires actually make sense.
Trees yay trees yay trees yay trees yay all night and day
Thank you for enlightening the world about what malaysia and indonesia is enduring right now.
What I learned from this is that measuring frogs is very important to ecological research. The more you know.
You have to make it more profitable maintaining wildlife and forest sanctuaries than exporting palm oil
Tragedy of the Commons running rampant. Everything is about near-sighted profit for those in power. The care shown by Norway and Germany is awesome. Also, China helping with forestation is also really inspiring
Awesome video! Would be great to have a citation on the bottom right of the video when you’re talking about specific studies - I know they’re in the description but I’m not sure which you’re talking about! Love it!
I love the pragmatic, clear, earnest, and calm presentation of this fascinating topic. It’s refreshing to watch a rainforest video without over-the-top panic or hype. Thank you for your work.
Legacy media avoided reality with hype.
Me watching Real Engineering: I love humanity
Me watching Real Science: I hate humanity
This is amazing
Love both 'Real' channels, the videos you and Brian create with the team are awesome, entertaining and importantly educational. Watching animal & nature die on a large scale at our own hands, primarily for greed, is such a saddening reality. Thanks for sharing this important message.
How to save the rainforest: mandatory forced resource + wealth distribution, solve food insecurity, stop wasting food, limit human population by encouraging people to stop having children and abort unwanted fetuses. it's a simple calculus. This universe is finite, its resources, finite. If life is left unchecked, life will cease to exist.
The Thanos method can work under very specific circumstances but isn’t recommended at all.
It’s a real shame this doesn’t have more views.
This is the best channel, thank you so much
I truly enjoy your videos and the following criticism is not an attack on you, consider it a way to communicate to your viewers. A perfect example of eyes wide shut. The real reason the forest is being cut down is because people there are poor and in great numbers, trying to have a family and children or what you would call a life, yet have no opportunity. The comment at the end about them moving their economy along to other things paints over so much human suffering and struggle. I do not envisage a solution, I wish I could as this involves my own family. Simply banning cutting down of trees and protecting land is not a viable solution acceptable to the people who live there.
My toothpaste doesn't contain palm oil, my soaps don't contain palm oil, my food doesn't contain palm oil, etc. For the last two years I've been going Zero Waste, it just makes sense and you simply need to:
1. Be aware of your ingredients.
2. Stop buying packaged goods, especially plastic.
3. Buy local! My soap, eggs, etc, comes from various parts of my region that I physically bike to from my home.
FYI I don't live in middle rural America, I'm on Vancouver Island, an amazing rainforest region in Canada.
70% of the deforestation of rainforests is for cattle farms. Better stop eating beefs too.
So real and using references makes this content look better 👍 love it
Whow! What a great and balanced video!
I'm loving this sister channel to Real Engineering :) good quality, informative videos without the fluff and hype.
nice video. i like thar thanx u so much for informing us something so importan.
question. Is curiosity stream also in spanish ???
At 5:58 you said boycotts in US and Europe won’t help bc we don’t use a lot of palm oil. However we do buy lots and lots of products from China that do use palm oil. So these boycotts will have an effect. Idk if that’s exactly what that graph said but it’s just an idea.
Ever noticed how China controls the market, not the other way around?
We really need to treat our floating space rock better 😪
i was hoping for some advise what i can do to help ....
but anyway a very professional video
I donated 1,000 trees 🌲 #teamtrees
That is great :) have you ever heard of Ecosia? It is a search engine that plants a tree for every 45 searches you do.
Real nice has always! Great content
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I love your guys’ videos
Nice timing with the topic of trees. I thought it was another #teamtrees video :) you cold include the link in the description to spread the message. :D
nevermind, just found the comment xD
I thought the same thing
Love your videos ❤️
This is a very informative video. I am a businessman that would like to save and restore areas like this in the video. Proper use of market forces can make it a sustainable development.
감사합니다.
This video was so Beautiful I cried
Thank you for the great video! Please keep them coming!
Fantastic video, congratulations!
#TeamTrees
5m of protection along the river banks, that's pretty much just the banks
I only worry that by the time is study is done there will be no more forest left to save.
Regular wildfires are also indicating a similar pattern on careful observations that desertifications in plains areas has diverting water horizons towards them from hilly forest areas in lower horizons of soils …
That are making forests areas lacks of water level despite of having forests and Wildfires are are becoming potentially rampant…
Diversion of water bars may be to oceans from lowest horizons of soils as seen in Rajasthan ( landslide )….
Forests of Uttarakhand are also having rampant wildfires ( may be human made ) but sustainable ignition shows that somewhere it get supported by inadequate water recharge in plain areas …
I guess so …
Also even worse,they didn't even consider local people health,there is so much smog in Borneo and also contribute to greenhouse emmitions(isn't just making furniture out of it better?)thats my experience(sometimes the smog even spread to Singapore)
exactly what has inspired me to pursue a new career. All hope is not lost!
*SPOILER* If you want to save the nature, ban the commercials.it's the only reason to our overconsumption.
Thank you for the amazing content. Goes to show that you don't need millions of subs or $ to make professional and outstanding content! Keep it up, you will make it to the millions in no time!
Or reduce consumption of cattle and fossil fuels.
It's a very hard thing to do but that'll be nicr
@@aronseptianto8142 Why is it hard? Chicken tastes good and it's cheaper than beef. Fish is awesome, although it can be expensive. It isn't necessary or even a good idea to eat large amounts of meat.
@@incognitotorpedo42 the fossil fuels part is hard.
Hm. Ik it's bad, but I'm quite surprised that (my country) Indonesia has the largest riperian reserve requirement, though i doubt that it's actually done
Please add subtitel for other language.. I need this for all my Friend who doesn't care with Flores..
Sorry for bad grammar :(
Bonnie Bunny it's ok and I agree I want to send this to one of my family member but they only speak Cantonese
no apology needed. what matters is that you try communicating voluntarily, and it is much appreciated. ty
holy shit the pure ideology at 11:30
What's ideological about it? It sounds like pure honesty. Are you bothered by the calling out of corruption?
Can there be a way to produce sustainable agriculture?
local urban farming
@@kierancalder8573 That can work, but how can agriculture damage be prevented?
Flaming Basketball Club less people, I’ll let you figure out how we do that
@@kierancalder8573 not possible for Palm tree
It's a tree, quite easy to see the problem
We're someone engineer/found something equivalent to Palm tree oil but in the form of shrub/berries that can be planted more compactly
It'll both make the oil company more profitable and make them less eager to clear more land
All videos when listen properly one can gain Amazingly knowledge are appreciating
The root cause of the problem is that the population of people concerned with the fate of rainforests lives very far from them. And populations near those consider jungle a nuisance, and are more concerned with putting bread on the table. Trying to enforce global rules on local governments will never going to work, unless somehow the pristine rainforest becomes a place which produces money by merely existing.
This can be done by drastically increasing ecological tourism industry, but there's only so much tourists who will go in every year, and they tend to concentrate in hotspots.
In an utopian world run by scientists, universities would have the money to rent rainforest territory en masse from governments, but that requires having as much power as oil cartels.
The trouble i’m having is yes i want to support the people of these rainforests but i also want to see progress in replanting the acres, so which charity will make a difference there’s so many.
EU ACABEI DE ENTREGAR TEU NOME E IP PARA AS FORCAS ARMADAS DO BRASIL. VOCÊ ESTÁ SENDO RASTREADO AGORA PELO GOVERNO DO BRASIL AGORA.
Move palm-oil production to the moon. Gotta get the cost of production down though...
"Before we save the rainforest we need to understand it". This is a good idea if you're fine with there being no rainforest left by the time you're not even a fraction of the way through understanding anything. This type of thinking is just another form of kicking the can down the road.
If we don't fully understand the effects of deforesting the rainforest, then we shouldn't be deforesting the rainforest. No amount of personal comfort justifies the permanent erasing of millions of years of history and evolution and destruction of the planet.
Hell yeah. The power of measurement
How do I set this voice for the Real Engineering channel?
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May this Chanel grow more to make the people understand the environmental challenges of our time and our future
Amazing content as always!!
I'm curious though, does anyone know the specific song name that begins playing at 7:20? It's used very often in both Real Science and Real Engineering videos. I assume it's on Epidemic Sound somewhere but it'd be impossible to find without the specific name or the genre/category it's in on that website.
@Hernando Malinche I tried, but it doesn't work because the mix of the music is so low compared to the voice.
@@neoscarlet3588 I try and keep a semi up-to-date list of all the music for the different channels I work on: haerther.net/how-to-actually-save-the-rainforest-real-science/
so this video focuses almost exclusively on Palm Oil when it also explains here 3:27, that Palm Oil is basically 1/3 of the issue.
will there be another video addressing the cattle ranching and what must be done to counteract it?
Thank You, I thought we lost hope, but there still may be some left.
When we start resorting to half-arsed solutions like surrounding adjacent forests (after slash and burn), animal relocation, partially degraded forests, strips of forest along river banks and even the ability of palm oil plantations themselves supporting wildlife, we know that the we have already lost the battle. This is NOT a solution. This is admission of defeat to the palm oil industry. Basically, we're saying that we can do nothing about this destructive industry and have to resort to these compromised defeatist approaches to temporarily protect the last measly remains of whatever rainforests we have left on earth.
Also, how on earth are we supposed to magically come up with all this extra land to restore young forests?? Land is finite and the palm oil industry knows that. They won't stop until they have decimated every last remaining square inch of the Bornean rainforests. If we actually want to save the rainforests, we have TAKE BACK all the land from the palm oil industry. STOP USING PALM OIL PRODUCTS, PERIOD! LIVE A MINIMALSTIC LIFESTYLE! GO VEGAN! FUCK THE PALM OIL ECONOMY and SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT!
Thank you so much ❤️🙏❤️👏👏 spectacular knowledge mostly all of your vedeos ..I am thank to you..
So I wonder, humans are able to make landmasses in the ocean that were not previously there, for recreational use of course. So would it be possible to do the same thing to create extra land in order to either one, sustain the Palm oil industry or for 2, to expand the rainforests?....
I thought about it too😂
The solution of the majority of these issues is relatively easy and clear but difficult to implement. Just offer more money to the farmers to protect the forests instead of the money they obtain from the land usage in agriculture, in general the agriculture is an extremely risky business that depends on a lot of external factors for its success. If you offer a steady stream of income for the people who own and work the land they would take it in the blink of an eye.
I was excited at the mention at my country, but sad that our rainforests are being damaged.
Attach high carbon steel bits and chunks of industrial diamonds to trees as they grow so the foreign objects eventually get encapsulated in the tree of forest that should probobly be protected.
This will wear down or break tree cutting equipment and be the adaptation the trees won't be able to accomplish themselves.
Change the perspective change our future
Need a Video on comparison of different oils used and which is best for human consumption.
You need to make this video in Chinese and all the languages and dialects in Asia.
Instead of paying to fight the fire, buy the land.
We should make a social demonstration!
This is all very nice and interesting, but just band-aids. The underlying problem is the demand and nothing is being done to address it. The solution is the one most don't want to even think about: cut the demand altogether. And where is the demand? In the growing population. (As a species we are too self-centered and don't want to make meaningful changes, until nature will painfully force us; like the Rapa Nui) These efforts are like trying to grow thinner by studying the ratios of food groups while eating the same amount of food (or in our case, increasing it). These efforts are trying to have our cake and eat it too.
Wouldn't cutting down trees and replanting them be better since they are effectively natural carbon storage entities? (assuming they aren't burned)
Also, since the industrial revolution, the northern hemisphere actually regrew the forest mass that was lost and then some, from what I've read, which surely counteracts some of the effects of forest loss in the tropical regions of the world.
Furthermore, extinction events aren't permanent, given we had five extinction events and the world rebounded in all five instances with species that evolved and adapted to survive the new environmental conditions. That's evolution at work.
Some may actually argue that saving species from extinction prevents that natural cycle from taking place.
Man-made environmental change is still natural in the sense that one species is out-competing other species, forcing some to adapt. It's no different than when dinosaurs roamed the planet and killed everything in their path, both animal and plant-based life.
Extinctions are part of the life cycle and our need to save species has more to do with us and our sensibilities than the species we are trying to save.
I say this as someone who loves nature and animals.
That's a lot of denialist information you got there. But remember that one time the the American chestnut tree went fucking extinct? And that one time that we bleached coral reefs? And that one time that we got rid of an entire sea-sized lake for cotton production, resulting in toxic sandstorms and turning once live water into a disease causing desert? You're not supposed to fucking excuse what humanity has done.
Anthony thank you for calling this guy out, his “facts” are ridiculous
By all means, what is ridiculous or denialist about it? Besides the reforesting statement that I am not familiar with, all the things stated in his post are factually correct. You may not like it, but that does not make it wrong. Looking at us from a distance, we can do nothing unnatural, because we *are* nature. And funnily enough, the only species that thinks humanity is doing something wrong is... humanity! Because as far as science has found so far we are the only species intelligent enough to form such an opinion.
H Kr well since you agree with the rwforesting being wrong technically he is right but these changes are happening waaaayyy to fast, and all the prior extinction events took millions of years to return to normal, and it’s already evident that it’s a problem with Antarctica losing their ice. Literally look up the Maldives, 60,000 people who live like one meter above sea level. Even if you don’t care about them coastal cities everywhere will be affected. Climate change is a problem, and I hope you can recognize it.
@@declanducc3139 I do, but nobody in this thread said it wasn't. Also, I did not say the reforesting statement was wrong at all. I said that I'm not familiar with it. Big difference.
In aussie it is natural to get so much fires.
Definitely a need for teacher lesson plans...
Loose the tropical rainforests...... . .loose the temperate forest.
The risk is huge and the benefits too small. We lived for millions of years without palm oil, get rid of it.
How to save the rainforest: STAY AWAY FROM IT.
We need trees save them ;(
Oh gosh .my country is so low value about environmental.so sad to hear that 😞
Excellent viewing. But still very depressing and scary. The solution would be to plant those palms among the rainforest...but big corporations won't have it....they need all of the land to plant plant plant...Would love to go to sleep and wake up in 50 years and see....Java will be under water, and 10 mil plus ppl will be moving to Borneo and Sumatra....no forests left, no palm oil plantations either...new concrete jungle...that is the future of Indonesia.
The leading factor is population growth.
So basically we have to accept that whole areas will be sacrificed to save others. Definitely not ideal, but we can’t blame people for not wanting to develop their countries. Sometimes you have to do bad to do good
The only solution for this is to make a law that illegalize throwing of non spoiled food.
Yes, they stop contributing the funds, because their own people and the forest and environment surrounding their country, also need that funding.
Brazil must realize this
Biodiesel is a problem only when food is used as fuel.