Right on. I'll be honest . . . the biggest eye opener for me here was how much the voice carries. I think it's more consequential than wading noise, by far. Cheers.
Hi there. I love that thing. I upgraded my camera setup and needed to upgrade the way I carry it too. I experimented with a couple other waterproof zippered packs. Roll top was not an option because it takes too long. Backup was not an option because it takes too long. Had to be on the hips and rotate on my two inch duty belt. I'm very impressed with the Thunderhead submersible lumbar. This is the small version, rather than full size. It's perfect.
More rocks almost always means more currents, right? So more water noise and less chance they could every hear out boots studs. That's my experience. Cheers.
Cheers. I don't know if it's debunked. But it's definitely some data toward understanding what might disturb a trout down there and maybe what doesn't.
@@Troutbitten Well, maybe not scientific proof (and, I do think there should be some consideration with respect to "lateral line" perception) but, this is good enough for me!
Right on. Lateral line is a different topic, right? It's not for hearing as much as for feeling the waves, for balance and sensing vibrations, so yes, something like hearing. But my point would be that sound gets mixed and buried in a relatively short distance under the water, even in the slower stuff. Vibrations and waves that the lateral line picks up also get mixed in and eliminated in the same conditions. Fun stuff to think about.
They can pick up vibrations through water on the lateral line , its why when fishing, its best moving up stream for trout , they generally are looking upstream for stuff coming to them so approach from the blind spot where possible , for salmon the far off down and across tactics are the general for fly fishing /spinning but stealth is always best and especially for those fish who are hugging the inside of the bank your approaching. How many times have people walked up to the bank of ridiculously shallow water only to spook a large fish and see it drift out into the stronger flow and down and away from you, as you curse under your breath , for day dreaming what your going to "catch" that day walking up to the river and even loch/lake. Getting into the water should be delayed until you've scouted and waited to see if anything is moving or rising , see too many people rushing to get to the middle of a river thinking everything is on the far side, and do nothing but scare everything off and put the fish down for a long time.
The trout scientists say that in the right water conditions, a trout can feel you walking the bank up to 30 feet away. Luckily they don't know what to do with that information until its close enough to be percieved as a potential threat. Do fish hear like animals with ears or is the sound vibration processed only with the lateral line? If it's that sensitive, they may pick up frequencies outside what is audible to us.
Good thoughts. Thanks. I surely agree that trout are processing sound and their whole environment differently than us -- or the GoPro mic. But the point I'd make is that a river is a complex mess of moving currents. And just like the sounds of footfalls and any noise from the studs got buried and blended in with the noises of the water below in this video, so too the vibrations from footfalls and our wading get blended and mixed in with the currents of the river. A trout's lateral line, then, is probably no better at detecting boot studs scraping than its ears. Like you, I'm sure that we can't really know the answers. But I think it's fair to acknowledge the limitations of how clear or unclear sounds can be under there, and then carry some of those conclusions over to vibrations and waves, which dissipate in a very similar way. I think many people picture the slowest, calmest sections of a river when considering this. But most of us don't fish that stuff. The average trout river is nothing like a still pond, so the currents drastically change what a trout can hear or feel.
I have about 20 studs in each boot, so I feel like they will make a lot more noise than the single point on my wading staff. I also had the wading staff in use during all of these tests. You can catch a glimpse of it in one of the shots. Cheers.
Oh I don't think that's true at all. But it's some data, right? Do you think trout hear your footsteps much better than that? Maybe. But the noises below the surface are still the noises. If you care about this stuff, the article goes into a lot more thoughts and details. This video is just something think about.
@@Troutbitten fair play to ya. It’s a good read. I agree that studs don’t seem to spook fish more than any other type of boot grip or at least I haven’t noticed. But there’s a world of nuance in how a trout hears and feels sound, stuff we might not ever know - but it’s fun to speculate. Thanks so much for the great podcasts, videos and articles.
Thanks for the test, but you sre not a trout :-) I believe it would be better to do a test trying to get close to selected trout both with and without the studs and see whether there is a difference....
I agree that would be a great test. However there would be many more variables to control. It would be too hard to know why a trout spooked. Did they hear studs, feel the waves of me wading, see my movements above that water, or did something else spook the fish? See what I mean? That's a really tough one to control. All I was trying to do here was see what it sounds like under the water. And even that is problematic because of microphones, substrate, current differences and the fact that a trout's hearing is dominated by different frequencies than our own. But these tests are what they are in the video. Just a little something to go on. Certainly good to be skeptical though. I think all good fishermen are based in skepticism.
Even if they hear the studs, it's still quieter than me wiping out and going for a swim.
Ha. Damn right.
I was thinking something similar. If they can hear my studs then they've already heard me tripping and kicking rocks.
Right on.
Is that you, Bill?
Thanks Dom. I frequently fish a river with lots of rocks from pebble size to softball size and studs are a game changer!
Right on.
Good stuff Dom. The frequency of noise fish can hear is quite interesting!
Right on
Ive wondered about this for a while. And if maybe felt bottoms were quiter. Thanks for putting it to the test.
Cheers. It's something to think about.
Thanks for this one. I went to studs after taking a dunk and figured if I wanna live to fish I gotta stay alive!😊
Ha. Right on.
How breathable is the skwalla backeddy compared to carbon x ? How you like them?
They are perfect..I just don't like the color
@@Troutbitten thanks. I’m in the market and those two were the choices. Thanks for all your great videos
Thank you for this. I was always told to keep your voice down in any situation around fish. I do the same when bass fishing.
Right on. I'll be honest . . . the biggest eye opener for me here was how much the voice carries. I think it's more consequential than wading noise, by far. Cheers.
Hey Dom, I see you are wearing small fishpond thunderhead on wading belt. How do you like it for camera and extra storage on wading belt?
Hi there. I love that thing. I upgraded my camera setup and needed to upgrade the way I carry it too. I experimented with a couple other waterproof zippered packs. Roll top was not an option because it takes too long. Backup was not an option because it takes too long. Had to be on the hips and rotate on my two inch duty belt. I'm very impressed with the Thunderhead submersible lumbar. This is the small version, rather than full size. It's perfect.
Interesting! I've often wondered what the fish "hear" when fly line, a big streamer or skaggit rig hit the surface and at what point they spook.
Lots to that equation, right? But I guess in most trout water, there's a lot going on in the currents that covers our mistakes.
I often think that sometimes the fish may "feel" you closer before the hear you coming. Either way an interesting topic.
Agreed. Pushing waves that they feel with their lateral line is another thing too.
Great video. Could you make a video for teaching us how you mount your fly rods in your car ceiling please?
Thanks. That's the Smith Creek Rod Rack. Troutbitten video on that one of here.
ua-cam.com/video/CETlTQm0YcM/v-deo.html
Hope that helps.
Cheers
My river is mostly large ,medium rocks and bedrock. It would be interesting to hear that.
More rocks almost always means more currents, right? So more water noise and less chance they could every hear out boots studs. That's my experience. Cheers.
Crazy how well the go pro is picking up your voice
Definitely
Thank you for debunking this. 👊🏻
Cheers. I don't know if it's debunked. But it's definitely some data toward understanding what might disturb a trout down there and maybe what doesn't.
@@Troutbitten Well, maybe not scientific proof (and, I do think there should be some consideration with respect to "lateral line" perception) but, this is good enough for me!
Right on. Lateral line is a different topic, right? It's not for hearing as much as for feeling the waves, for balance and sensing vibrations, so yes, something like hearing. But my point would be that sound gets mixed and buried in a relatively short distance under the water, even in the slower stuff. Vibrations and waves that the lateral line picks up also get mixed in and eliminated in the same conditions. Fun stuff to think about.
They can pick up vibrations through water on the lateral line , its why when fishing, its best moving up stream for trout , they generally are looking upstream for stuff coming to them so approach from the blind spot where possible , for salmon the far off down and across tactics are the general for fly fishing /spinning but stealth is always best and especially for those fish who are hugging the inside of the bank your approaching. How many times have people walked up to the bank of ridiculously shallow water only to spook a large fish and see it drift out into the stronger flow and down and away from you, as you curse under your breath , for day dreaming what your going to "catch" that day walking up to the river and even loch/lake. Getting into the water should be delayed until you've scouted and waited to see if anything is moving or rising , see too many people rushing to get to the middle of a river thinking everything is on the far side, and do nothing but scare everything off and put the fish down for a long time.
Good stuff
The trout scientists say that in the right water conditions, a trout can feel you walking the bank up to 30 feet away. Luckily they don't know what to do with that information until its close enough to be percieved as a potential threat. Do fish hear like animals with ears or is the sound vibration processed only with the lateral line? If it's that sensitive, they may pick up frequencies outside what is audible to us.
Good thoughts. Thanks.
I surely agree that trout are processing sound and their whole environment differently than us -- or the GoPro mic. But the point I'd make is that a river is a complex mess of moving currents. And just like the sounds of footfalls and any noise from the studs got buried and blended in with the noises of the water below in this video, so too the vibrations from footfalls and our wading get blended and mixed in with the currents of the river. A trout's lateral line, then, is probably no better at detecting boot studs scraping than its ears.
Like you, I'm sure that we can't really know the answers. But I think it's fair to acknowledge the limitations of how clear or unclear sounds can be under there, and then carry some of those conclusions over to vibrations and waves, which dissipate in a very similar way.
I think many people picture the slowest, calmest sections of a river when considering this. But most of us don't fish that stuff. The average trout river is nothing like a still pond, so the currents drastically change what a trout can hear or feel.
I agree 100%. I appreciate the reply and all the information you give out.
I'm kinda more concerned about the noise my wading staff makes?
I have about 20 studs in each boot, so I feel like they will make a lot more noise than the single point on my wading staff. I also had the wading staff in use during all of these tests. You can catch a glimpse of it in one of the shots. Cheers.
@@Troutbitten Cheers Dom, keep up the great work buddy, love your work.
They damn sure can here me if I don't wear them and fall on my arse....
True enough.
So a GoPro microphone is equivalent to the hearing facilities of a trout? Wild stuff.
Oh I don't think that's true at all. But it's some data, right? Do you think trout hear your footsteps much better than that? Maybe. But the noises below the surface are still the noises. If you care about this stuff, the article goes into a lot more thoughts and details. This video is just something think about.
@@Troutbitten fair play to ya. It’s a good read. I agree that studs don’t seem to spook fish more than any other type of boot grip or at least I haven’t noticed. But there’s a world of nuance in how a trout hears and feels sound, stuff we might not ever know - but it’s fun to speculate. Thanks so much for the great podcasts, videos and articles.
For sure.. Cheers.
And even if they heard it would they know what it was?!!
Yup
THUNDERHEAD
Thunderhead!
I reckon if you walk like a Herron, then trout in moving water are pretty much deaf. I've literally nearly stood on trout without them spookinh.
Nice
Thanks for the test, but you sre not a trout :-) I believe it would be better to do a test trying to get close to selected trout both with and without the studs and see whether there is a difference....
I agree that would be a great test. However there would be many more variables to control. It would be too hard to know why a trout spooked. Did they hear studs, feel the waves of me wading, see my movements above that water, or did something else spook the fish? See what I mean? That's a really tough one to control. All I was trying to do here was see what it sounds like under the water. And even that is problematic because of microphones, substrate, current differences and the fact that a trout's hearing is dominated by different frequencies than our own. But these tests are what they are in the video. Just a little something to go on. Certainly good to be skeptical though. I think all good fishermen are based in skepticism.
Let's get a grip there fish people not rocket scientists stop overthinking shit
I agree to a point. And when you're on the water every day, you start to wonder about stuff.