How I Read for Language Learning (Intensive and Extensive!)
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- Опубліковано 16 лют 2021
- Books! Reading! Language Learning! How I approach both extensive and intensive reading for language learning.
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Oh also meant to say - THANK YOU for repping both intensive & extensive reading. I feel like sometimes they're pitted against each other, but I think they both have such great benefits for different situations. I love both, it just depends!
In school and university they forced us to write down words even with extensive reading. But when I stopped doing that and just looked up the meaning of the word every time, even if it was the same one, I remembered so many words! Authors tend to repeat many words throughout the book many times. Each time you look them up helps you remember
I reread Harry Potter in English. I don’t know how much I would like in Brazilian Portuguese (I’m learning now) but reading in the original version was amazing !
Dobby in Polish (my native language) is called Zgredek. Reading in English was definitely great for me as a fan of HP and for my language journey :)
Im reading this book in Portuguese too. (PS. and have the Podcast online) Because book for learn Portuguese in Czech are horrible. I used Assimil in German, Colloquial in English and then Schwedisch mit System in German. Now I have book Portuguese Em direto /but for B2. - it is too difficult/ I hope HP help to overcome the level B1
Do you have any recommendacion - can be in German, Spanish or in English?
@@janamelicharova7172 I understand your situation! It’s impossible to find books to study Portuguese in Polish, especially for Brazilian version. I’m lucky enough to live in Brazil :) I’m here for one year, and of course the lockdown and being at home slowed down my progress.
I use Gramática Ativa 1 and d 2 for grammar. I use Brazilian version, but there is also European. I like to use also ‘Falar...ler...escrever...Português’. I have a student book and a workbook. The student book itself has a lot of exercises and audio! Titles I mentioned are just in Portuguese. Teach Yourself Complete Portuguese is in English. It’s rather easy, and I guess you would be board since you are at B1 level. If you want to can find me on Instagram: aldona.anna.yt There we could exchange emails, and I could send you some pdf I have for studying Portuguese. Beijos 😽
@@AldonaAnna89 Yes, I have too Gramatica Activa 1, 2 but for Portuguese/ Portugal. I have also the Basic Portuguese and Beginning Portuguese (Practice make perfect - but this serie I don´t like - too easy) I am not big fan the serie Teach yourself. Ps. I have book in pdf, we can make change
@@janamelicharova7172 That would be great :) Contact me on IG and there we can exchange emails:)
Every time I learn a language, I reread Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone in that language. In Spanish it sucked, but Latin, Swedish and of course English were pretty cool
It would be great if you could recommend in a video some books you read to learn other languages (in Spanish, Italian, etc.)
I started to read a book in the "intensive" way and must say that I really enjoy it. I look up the words which I don't know and discuss the grammar points which I don't understand. Thx for this video. It was really motivating to give this a try.
There you go! That was another excellent video for everyone who appreciates reading and learning new languages! I do love the way you express yourself and the way you share your methods of learning new things. Congrats on this vid and thx for sharing it : )
This is kinda cringy, but I swear by the extensive method because I became fluent in English in about a year, just by reading Harry Potter fanfiction lol
I love this
That’s brilliant - I just got the German version of Harry Potter to aid in learning the language 😄
Interesting let me go start reading French fanfic
Tu sei una grande inspirazione mia da qualche mese e non hai mai smesso di produrre nuove informazioni utili nei tuoi video. Saluti da Colorado :)
For extensive reading, I just keep switching the content so more common things tend to stick faster, mainly acquiring "raw" vocabulary through mass exposure. At the moment I do this for Sorbian and it is a really fast approach (I maxed out at ~1000 lexical items per week when learning Russian, this week I did ~500 for Sorbian) but it's very exhausting. I think of it as a parallelized approach, learning lots of vocabulary by learning words somewhat slower but in mass and through mutual relationships. Each new text is repetition for old texts, kind of recursive.
For intensive reading, I read few texts as thoroughly as I can, i.e. over and over, even beyond memorization, really appreciating single words, grammar intuition, atmosphere, sentence topology etc. Currently that is kind of what I do for Latin, reading De Bello Gallico over and over (one chapter I already read and a new one each day if I manage) and Saxon.
For both I use LWT which allows me to add translations and other info for difficult words and automatically create flashcards for them.
I view both techniques as to points on a spectrum and try to slowly develop from extensive to intensive when actively learning.
My book recommendation would be "Jäö oder wie ein Franzose auszog in Hannover das 'raanste' Deutsch zu lernen".
I think Harry potter books are great tools for learning foreign languages and I think a good approach is to slog through the book intensively looking up a lot of words and then reread the book extensively lookng up very few words. The extensive review solidifies new vocab.
Thank you for this!! I reading novels with the extensive approach most of the time but I know I need to add intensive reading and was not liking forward to trying it with novels. I will be following your advice and trying it with articles and shorter texts.
Great methods!
Reading can be tricky when starting a new language
I personally prefer to start with children's books and moving to more "serious" contonet only after finishing a few books
I started learning German a couple months ago and recently came across your channel and I'm loving your book videos so far, looking forward to binge watch your channel! Thanks for the quality content haha.
Geil!! Ich hoffe du findest Deutsch nicht zu schwierig
Yeah. I definitely notice that I like to start with intense reading and afterwards do more extensive reading.
I also want to read more, but being in graduate school does not help haha. It's so tempting to just do easy stuff (like watch Netflix) when you have to read massive amounts of academic content. I think I might try what you talked about, with the intensive reading for vocab for a bit, followed by extensive reading:) even if it's just a page a day!
my favorite books are the perks of being a wallflower by stephen chbosky and fangirl by rainbow rowell, they were both originally written in english which is my native language! i’ve never bought a book in any language i’ve ever studied, i should do that soon.
Graded readings are wonderful!! There are so many editorial houses that publish a huge variety of graded readings directly for language learners. I absolutely love these. Specially for a2 to b2 levels, they generally include audiobooks to learn pronunciation as you go reading, some glossary pages, sometimes a few exercises... Check black cat-cideb, at least for italian they are wonderful. I use them for my intensive reading, as i read the chapters again and again, making notes on any prhases that seem interesting and new vocab and so on. Tjey are also short enough to work though them quickly so that you are still encouraged to read them again and again, but long enough that you're actually interested in the development of the story. For my extensive reading i DO read Harry Potter. But it may be just because I love it so much! For italian I also recommend "io non ho paura" and "in altre parole". I chose this way of studying before I knew there was a name to this. Just to point out how a natural approach this is!! Of course everyone should accompany this with working the grammar. And finally this may be just for me, but I've noticed i get better results if i work in only a language at a time.
The Iron Druid “Hounded” Book 1, i finished it last week, such humor mixed with mythology.
It had a Percy Jackson feel. So good
Oooo sounds interesting whats it about?
I appreciate that, when introducing the idea of reading content at the appropriate level for your abilities, you acknowledge the fact that reading an appropriate level book might simply be unpalatable because of the subject matter. There were so many times where I've encountered people giving advice like "go watch Peppa Pig in your target language", or something along those lines, where I've immediately been turned off from the approach because I simply did not care to read the suggested content. What I did end up doing to get over this hurdle is also not something I would generally recommend to everyone, but it worked out for me: I picked up the first book I wanted to read that I felt would be fairly easy but also wouldn't make my eyes glaze over and I just slogged through it. It was a lot of work and at first I felt very discouraged, but, at the same time, I could see that I was making progress quickly so I stuck with it. It took me 1-2 books before this became bearable and I felt like I could make progress at a somewhat reasonable speed. Once you get to that point where finding compelling and comprehensible text is actually possible, I feel like the rest is just a matter of sinking hours into it.
Thank you from Colombia
Love your videos!!
My favourite books are the trylogy of Manel Loureiro called "Apocalipsis Z" I read it in my native lenguage, spanish, but it is because it was originally published in Spanish so...
Hope you like it! 💗 🇪🇦
Thank you! You're so pretty. Reading books is the best method of learning foreign languages
Thank you so much!
It's definitely an effective (and for me really enjoyable) method! Glad you liked the video :)
Since I have very bad eyesight and can’t stress my eyes a lot, instead of reading extensively I listen it. Thankfully I can find tons of audiobooks right here on UA-cam and then listen to it as I do my chores or am headed somewhere and that helps me also to improve my listening skills in that language along with learning new vocab and learning something useful since most of books I listen to are about self-improvement or my personal interest like astronomy or history
Hi dear, I really appreciate this kind of video because sometimes (really often, to be honest) I struggle keeping going with my readings not understanding some words. I've seen an italian article, so, because I'm Italian I'd like to recommend you one of my favourite book: 'Ad occhi chiusi', G. Carofiglio. I think it could be translated with 'With closed. Let me know if you're going to read it!
My favorite book is If on a winter's night a traveler by Italo Calvino! It was originally published in Italian, but that isn't one of my languages so I've only read it in English. I've been thinking about buying a copy in Romanian though.
Thank you ❤️
I always went back and forth on whether I should look up every word while reading, this distinction was exactly what I needed!! Although with German my teachers always expect intensive readings and then give us 20 page articles haha
I rarely look up words I don't know when reading and today, I am super fluent in German. I just understand the words in the context.
I do both it depends on the books I am reading children books I look up ever word I don't know and read it out loud read graders books short stories I don't look up every word but I read those short stories more than once not in the same day I get more understanding more of reading graders because I reading children sometimes see words and again in read graders
I started my German with a two volume (each 1000 pages) book of (1001 Nacht). I had read it in English as Arabian Nights during the years I was learning English.
It started it out mostly as an intensive reading. After I solved the main grammar issues I kept at a semi intensive way.
But recently I'm doing it as an extensive way. It's much better since I have more chances to see the same words a few pages later in other contexts. They seem to light up in my head as I see them more than once in the same sitting.
At some point I plan to start reading the same books in Arabic. I ordered it in 6 volumes. And I have some basic knowledge in Arabic. It'll be a lot of fun. But in German I'm only on page 760. I have 1300 more pages to go. This has been going on for 3 years. I wasted some time with trying other ways of learning through other un-interesting books. Always fell back on this one. I also listen a lot, and recently while shadowing.
well I love reading but because I was in high school and I have lot of work I wasn't read to much for sorry, so In this year after I graduated I decided to back to it and I want to read at least 40 book , and I was used to read in my native language ( Arabic) but this year I want to read in all the languages I'm learning now .
my recommendation for you is to read : The power of self confidence- Ibrahim elfiky , also he has more beautiful books you can check it out , he is Arabic but he have books in english .
Thanks so much for the awesome tips! Definitely will push me to read in my target language a lot more. I feel perpetually stuck at A1/A2 and I’m hoping this will break that.
Maybe it is because of your language learning strategy. How are you studying the language now?
@@AfroLinguo I use Duolingo and Drops daily, I have a weekly iTalki lesson, watch news in my target language, and I copy down articles going over words I don't know, I'm trying a lot of things, I think I am making progress, but it is just slower than I want it to be
@@EdwardGiordano Oh i See. It looks like your study routine is strong. It is even better than mine 😅😅. Are you learning a difficult language like Japanese or Arabic?
@@AfroLinguo I used to try balancing Japanese and French, but I dropped Japanese because I wanted to see some real progress, sadly working on both kind of felt better in some way
@@EdwardGiordano I understand watch you mean. I wanna learn Japanese and Korean but I am learning chinese now so I focus on it till I am fluent and then I will start learning Korean. In this way I think I can get fluent more easily
this is a pretty nontraditional way of practicing, but i play my favorite text-based games, rpgs, or life/farming sims in my target language. i read what i can and write down what i really can't understand. i then go back later and write my guess of what it means in one pen and go back and translate it with another. of course it only works with languages you are intermediate in, but it has helped me learn so much so quickly.
I have noticed that even when you have learned a language until like an intermediate level, it is still like a lil hard to understand books. I bought one to practise reading in chinese and it frustrated me lol.
Try a graded reader adapted to your level. And after you'll be able to read more difficult books
Reading was the biggest contribuition to my English learning. I did have the advantage of English having many common vocabulary with Latin though. I've read mostly articles and things in the internet, but no novels to date. Right now I'm reading the bible in Russian, and surprisingly enough the vocab is not too difficult. This kind of narrative structure of tales is very helpful to learn languages, especially because there is a lot of repetition. Do you have any recommendations of German folktale books?
Have you read the ones collected by the Grimm brothers? www.grimmstories.com/de/grimm_maerchen/index
Ganhou mais um inscrito aqui no canal. Estou na luta para aprender Inglês. Sou do Brasil.
Today your video came on my recommendation list and I really enjoyed this video. I subscribed also. Alot of love from mah side to you and you all guys. I am learning German and currently doing B2. Can you please recommend me some books in German?
Thank you and welcome! Though they're not originally published in German I've been reading the Percy Jackson books for the first time and they feel like the perfect level of book for someone working on hitting B2. I also know the Inkheart (or Tintenherz auf Deutsch) series was written in German and should be in that B-range as well. I'm sure others will have more suggestions, I'm really just starting on my journey reading books published in German!
I would love a video like this but witg writing btw. I read a lot but atruggle to find motivation to sit down and write 😅😅
I have an issue with writing too because i feel i need someone to correct it afterwards lol
Thanks for an interesting video.What is your native language?
Oh! For me extensive reading means book readings and it seems too hard. I never thought about article as really good resource for that. Thank you! I think it was one of my negative beliefs so I was procrastinate .
I started reading a lot more after getting an eReader. Slapped a bunch of monolingual dictionaries on there (the chances are bigger to understand at least one definition) and just download ebooks that are interesting. It's a lot more convenient to be reading on an eReader in general, and getting your hands on books you actually want vs. desperately hunting physical copies that you might not be able to get in your country at all.
Audiobooks are also quite useful
Great
I never read the Percy Jackson series. Maybe I should try it in Spanish once I'm at that level!
You should if you're interested in reading it! I've been really enjoying it for the story and for the level for my German!
@@PolyglotProgress please if u could make a video explaining how to manage your time regarding to language learning skills ,we have 4 skills, how do u divide them ,how much hours or minutes do u give to each skill ? if u could emphasize please ? one of the problem is the sources such reading sources ,listening sources .
Hi your video is a great help. I'm trying to learn Portuguese. Where do you get your middle grade books in your target language? I love reading books and I like middle grade books to. I'm currently reading Enid Blyton the Enchanted wood and I'm 46 years old. I find it hard to read academic language books and I'm not interested in non fiction.
I get a lot of mine from used bookstores (if you have a Half Price Books near you they always seem to have a good language section!) or thriftbooks.com. You can also look to see if there are any sites that specifically sell Portuguese books, I've found a few sites like that for my target languages! If you have a smartphone/ereader/ipad you could also look for e-books in Portuguese, I find it a lot easier to get PDFs or ebook versions of many books instead of tracking down a physical copy.
I don't like picking favorites, so I'll give a recommendation for a book I loved reading recently: What Is Not Yours Is Not Yours by Helen Oyeyemi (English).
Prior to December 2020, I had only tried intensive reading in my target language, using picture books, articles, and song lyrics. In December, I read two books for Spanish learners and a graphic novel. Then in January I read another book of short stories for learners. Now I am reading short stories with parallel text. I love reading in English and being able to read in Spanish is thrilling.
However, I can never decide whether I want to do extensive or intensive reading. I always read aloud, but I don't think that matters in terms of extensive vs intensive. I have a hard time continuing without looking up every word. Thanks to your video, I now realize that I need to choose different techniques for different sources and stick with it. That way I can get the benefits of both extensive and intensive reading.
I'm planning on starting my first novel next month, so I can go into it with the plan to read extensively.
for me reading is soo hard to get into. i want to, but i hated reading as a kid. didn't read many books in sch , although i loved short reads and factual science/ technology books. im trying to improve my french and Japanese but i need to be reading more , im at the level with Japanese where i can be easing into light novels but it still scares me like crazy. with my french ive got the short stories book for low intermediates by Richard simcott
try the beelingua app. also the French experiment,the Spanish experiment etc. The second one has children stories in foreign languages as well as the translations and audio in the foreign langauge.
Where do you find history articles? Is it just newspapers or you have a secret source??
My secret source is just google! haha
Usually I'll try to figure out a historical event or subject I'd like to read more about and then I search for articles in my target language related to that. I've found some on museum websites and websites oriented around history, but in general there's no secret website, I just look for wherever I can find them!
Hey, could you tell me what dictionary app you use?
Hi! It depends on the language and how I'm reading (electronically vs physically).
Steve kaufman the polgot is a big believer in Reading for language learner's..
So when you see a new word do you search it on google ??? or just leave it and continue reading ??
Depends on how I'm approaching reading that day! Sometimes I look things up as I read, sometimes I make a list of words to look up after, and sometimes I just skip over looking up some of them (especially if I can figure it out on my own through context)
I feel like that pile of books just keeps getting bigger and bigger with each video lol
Lol I've been moving things as I start to pack so it definitely has been ever changing and recently just growing
Are you native... English??
Yep :)
Those who are not interested to read books for learning language, what will be your suggestions?
If you want reading practice but don't want to use books you could try poems, song lyrics, social media posts, news articles, or blog posts!
I am Indonesian, and not very fluent in English, can you include Indonesian subtitles? So that I understand what you are saying
thank you
I don't know any Indonesian so I can't unfortunately, if anyone ever wants to contribute them I'd be happy to add them.
For now slowing the video speed down and using English subtitles may help a little.
Sorry!
Is extensive reading best when your brain is fried?
The Poligrot with the beautiful eyes i've ever see, Reading its like exercise in your body
You are a beautiful girl. You have beautiful eyes. 🇧🇷
For real!!! I noticed that too. When I was watching, I noticed that I was really admiring her eyes.
Thank you both!!
A great kiss from Brazil my dear...😘🇧🇷💖