My favorite setup is Proxmox with an HBA passed through to a TrueNAS VM. Yes its more expensive but I can truely take advantage of a good hypervisor and therefor all of the hardware in my system.
TrueNAS SCALE has a back-end clustering feature that allows users to group systems together to create new volumes within existing storage pools. These clusters can improve performance and add redundancy by sharing data between the systems. TrueNAS SCALE supports multiple types of clusters, including shared storage and shared-nothing clusters
I'm in a proces of building a NAS/Homelab inexpensive server. I went for a Chinese mATX server board with Xeon E5-2680 v4 - a 14c/28t CPU. Platform is old by today's standards, but for the price to possibility ratio it's just hard to pass by. ECC DDR4 RDIMMS are cheap and plentiful, so I will start with 64GB and upgrade to 128GB if needed. I will have Proxmox as a host system for 2 reasons - it's way more polished in hosting VMs than TrueNAS and I want to learn as much as possible, since I've only used ESXi and Hyper-V so far. SATA controller with 10 onboard ports will be passed through to TrueNAS Scale in VM, so this will be my NAS setup with 7 x 4TB server grade SATA HDDs - managed to grab 8 for a very nice price, but unfortunately one had bad sectors shown during testing, so it had to be discarded. Overall this little server should be a really good starting point for a homelab. Performance and memory size is good enough to host many VMs. And there's room on it for both Proxmox as a VM host and TrueNAS Scale as a NAS.
It's VERY simple: You can do EVERYTHING with both, BUT! If the OS or configuration get deleted or corrupt: How long will it take you to get EVERYTHING, all settings and VMs, apps, UPS monitoring, EVERYTHING working back again!? With TrueNAS: 10 min to install, 10 min to apply your saved settings AND reboot to EXACTLY what you had before! With Proxmox? Yiu do have the backup server, yes, but answer then: How long will it take you to get EVERYTHING, all settings and VMs, apps, UPS monitoring, EVERYTHING working back again!?
I think you're comparing a True Virtualization system (Proxmox) Type 1 hypervisor that supports KVM (Kernel-based Virtual Machine) to a containerization platform that operates at the application level. Docker is great for micro-services where Type 1 hypervisor allows you to set up multiple isolated machines. I agree Proxmox with NAS for storage is probably the best setup. But if you want to deploy a database (mysql or postgres) I'd rather deploy that on its own server to take full advantage of CPU, memory, network and disk vs Docker.
Also you can create templates in Proxmox and use CLI to deploy them from Command line. You can plug Terraform and deploy your VM preconfigured with Portainer. The setup might take time but I think portainer is an elegant solution.
both proxmox and scale are based off debian proxmox is built from the ground up for vms and containers as scale is a nas os first and vms are a 2nd thought as for truecharts they droped all truenas support after ix declared removal of k3's in favor of docker for apps in next release
Comparing the two are like saying that Peanut butter is better than Mayonnaise. Storage is light years better in TrueNAS and happens to support virtualization (i wouldn't run anything other than control plane VMs (XOA, Rancher, etc..) on it , and Proxmox is a full fledged hypervisor than you wouldn't want to use as a storage server.
yes both are different tools but can do what either can do like i was saying with extra steps or so. it comes down to what you want to do and how you want to do it
The truenas scale Electric eel release in Q4 will move from k3s to docker compose with all the catalog carried over, so it will be more like portainer with the ability to use simple docker compose entry for custom containers. Once thats here it might be my goto but for now I'm looking at building a linux server from scratch with portainer/k8s and lvm, still looking at storage management in case I can get simple zfs setup like truenas from installing an app layer instead...messing with vm's to see the options for now...if anyonr has any suggestions of things tontry let me know, thanks
I have used TrueNAS Scale as a sole server(Level1Techs ultimate server) running VMs and I find it janky because of all of the hurdles you have to do with networking to bet back to the NAS storage (for VMs not native apps). I also run Proxmox on a powerhungry server for testing VMs and LXCs. At work I run Proxmox with trueNAS Core virtualized with the hard drives passed through, I find this to be the best way to run things that is much simpler to setup if you need to run a single server.
i like truenas scale better for doing vm because all i have to do for passthrough is just click on what i want to passthrough where on proxmox i have to jump around and run commands to get passthrough up and running
@@BarmineTechWRONG! IT IS POSSIBLE, but unless you actually understand what exactly you are doing (modify install script and specific drive partitioning): Don't do it! (I did do this for years, but now simply put the boot drive on a USB3 enclosure and use all the internal drives for data!).
My favorite setup is Proxmox with an HBA passed through to a TrueNAS VM. Yes its more expensive but I can truely take advantage of a good hypervisor and therefor all of the hardware in my system.
I like both. TrueNAS Scale for storage. Proxmox for virtualization.
TrueNAS SCALE has a back-end clustering feature that allows users to group systems together to create new volumes within existing storage pools. These clusters can improve performance and add redundancy by sharing data between the systems. TrueNAS SCALE supports multiple types of clusters, including shared storage and shared-nothing clusters
I'm in a proces of building a NAS/Homelab inexpensive server. I went for a Chinese mATX server board with Xeon E5-2680 v4 - a 14c/28t CPU. Platform is old by today's standards, but for the price to possibility ratio it's just hard to pass by. ECC DDR4 RDIMMS are cheap and plentiful, so I will start with 64GB and upgrade to 128GB if needed. I will have Proxmox as a host system for 2 reasons - it's way more polished in hosting VMs than TrueNAS and I want to learn as much as possible, since I've only used ESXi and Hyper-V so far.
SATA controller with 10 onboard ports will be passed through to TrueNAS Scale in VM, so this will be my NAS setup with 7 x 4TB server grade SATA HDDs - managed to grab 8 for a very nice price, but unfortunately one had bad sectors shown during testing, so it had to be discarded.
Overall this little server should be a really good starting point for a homelab. Performance and memory size is good enough to host many VMs. And there's room on it for both Proxmox as a VM host and TrueNAS Scale as a NAS.
It's VERY simple:
You can do EVERYTHING with both, BUT!
If the OS or configuration get deleted or corrupt:
How long will it take you to get EVERYTHING, all settings and VMs, apps, UPS monitoring, EVERYTHING working back again!?
With TrueNAS:
10 min to install, 10 min to apply your saved settings AND reboot to EXACTLY what you had before!
With Proxmox? Yiu do have the backup server, yes, but answer then:
How long will it take you to get EVERYTHING, all settings and VMs, apps, UPS monitoring, EVERYTHING working back again!?
NOBODY answer!?
Zero people "know better"!?
Point PROVEN!
WAKE me up when Proxmox can be restored FULLY, ALL OF IT, in less than 30 minutes!!!
I think you're comparing a True Virtualization system (Proxmox) Type 1 hypervisor that supports KVM (Kernel-based Virtual Machine) to a containerization platform that operates at the application level. Docker is great for micro-services where Type 1 hypervisor allows you to set up multiple isolated machines. I agree Proxmox with NAS for storage is probably the best setup.
But if you want to deploy a database (mysql or postgres) I'd rather deploy that on its own server to take full advantage of CPU, memory, network and disk vs Docker.
Also you can create templates in Proxmox and use CLI to deploy them from Command line. You can plug Terraform and deploy your VM preconfigured with Portainer. The setup might take time but I think portainer is an elegant solution.
both proxmox and scale are based off debian proxmox is built from the ground up for vms and containers as scale is a nas os first and vms are a 2nd thought as for truecharts they droped all truenas support after ix declared removal of k3's in favor of docker for apps in next release
Comparing the two are like saying that Peanut butter is better than Mayonnaise. Storage is light years better in TrueNAS and happens to support virtualization (i wouldn't run anything other than control plane VMs (XOA, Rancher, etc..) on it , and Proxmox is a full fledged hypervisor than you wouldn't want to use as a storage server.
yes both are different tools but can do what either can do like i was saying with extra steps or so. it comes down to what you want to do and how you want to do it
The truenas scale Electric eel release in Q4 will move from k3s to docker compose with all the catalog carried over, so it will be more like portainer with the ability to use simple docker compose entry for custom containers. Once thats here it might be my goto but for now I'm looking at building a linux server from scratch with portainer/k8s and lvm, still looking at storage management in case I can get simple zfs setup like truenas from installing an app layer instead...messing with vm's to see the options for now...if anyonr has any suggestions of things tontry let me know, thanks
I have used TrueNAS Scale as a sole server(Level1Techs ultimate server) running VMs and I find it janky because of all of the hurdles you have to do with networking to bet back to the NAS storage (for VMs not native apps). I also run Proxmox on a powerhungry server for testing VMs and LXCs. At work I run Proxmox with trueNAS Core virtualized with the hard drives passed through, I find this to be the best way to run things that is much simpler to setup if you need to run a single server.
Your complaints simply show your lack of understanding or expertise.
lol, ok Mr. Expert
Thank you for another great video. The right tool for the right job. Keep up the good work!
i like truenas scale better for doing vm because all i have to do for passthrough is just click on what i want to passthrough where on proxmox i have to jump around and run commands to get passthrough up and running
Is it possible to install TrueNAS Scale on an NVMe and use this NVMe as the app-pool at the same time? Or is the entire NVMe then locked/reserved?
you would need to install it on a separate drive then your gonna use for your pool
@@BarmineTechWRONG!
IT IS POSSIBLE, but unless you actually understand what exactly you are doing (modify install script and specific drive partitioning):
Don't do it!
(I did do this for years, but now simply put the boot drive on a USB3 enclosure and use all the internal drives for data!).
Isn't TrueNAS deprecated?
Thanks! That was all super useful
Thanks!
Proxmox is just Debian you can still run docker on the host
2 different worlds ! Two power houses !
im also going truenas so you got my sub...didi you do any live tv configs im been tryig to get dvr working
Neckbeards get no respect. As it should be.
good thing i don’t have one so i get respect