She really is Juniata’s jewel. I just started my dream job with the MTA Metro North Railroad at the age of 21 and on my reflective vest I have a bunch of pins. One of them is a keystone shaped pin with 1361 on it.
That old Pennsy whistle takes you back to a time where steam still rained king and these things were a very common sight. Maybe one day she'll sing again, one day...
@@TranscontinentalRailfan And so will LIRR 39, and 5550 will be the new one to be completed built by 2030. Imagine a gathering with LIRR G5 39, PRR K4 1361 and T1 5550.
Good news, everybody! I just heard that the Juniata Terminal company, which has been very successful in their restoration of the PRR E8s, is now going to reassemble this engine after being taken apart at Steamtown!
Wilma E the Juniata Terminal company wants to start an excursion program with #1361. However the Railroaders Museum in Altoona is doing the restoration with help.
The PRR K4 will live on as a phenomenal, wonderful, astonishing, breathtaking, and extraordinary machine. May the K4 live on forever! I can't wait until 1361 and 3750 are restored.
It is impressive to see footage of PRR k4 no. 1361 in operation during the late 1980s and also sad that the operation only last 1 year before suffering maintenance issues. The 1361 barely had time to operate in excursion service and this locomotive deserves another chance at life, hopefully the 1361 will be rebuilt and restored to operation in the future so that it can haul future excursion trains.
Just beautiful!!! Brings back memories as a kid living in Matawan, nj in the early 50's seeing the K4s and CNJ G3s and Camelbacks headed to Bay Head Junction on the NYLB Railroad.
It's _good_ knowing she's finally all back in one place and getting the overhaul she deserves. I'm sure everyone here remembers a time not very long ago where it was genuinely a concern that 1361 would never even be in one piece again, let alone on her way back to operation.
The present era is a great time to be a steam fan in the uk, new locos being built, new heritage lines opening,hundreds of mainline steam excursions.What the future holds is impossible to tell but at the moment most of us are cautiously optimistic.
Gotta love the K4s. They’re simple yet intricate, influential masterpieces. They heavily effected the production of Gresley’s A series pacifics and the NSWGR c38. I find it hard to believe that only two made it to preservation. Nonetheless the two that we have do have a possibility of running again. 1361 is undergoing a major restoration and will likely run in two years
Just took a trip out to Altoona. Was hoping to get a glimpse of some of the K4s parts sitting outside in the yard. Got a little bit more that that. Walked inside the quarter roundhouse and right away saw the WIP boiler sitting on a flat connected to the tender, which is fully restored awaiting paint. And on the back side of the tender, were the words "fire up 1361"... I'd say this beauty's future looks pretty bright!
Read a few things on a Facebook page. A photographer took a photo of the WIP boiler and stated that the boiler needs a new roof sheet. With that it'll pass FRA regulations. The running gear is supposedly in very good shape, but needs to be moved to the same building housing the boiler.
I've heard the same thing about the boiler sheet... and I have been trying to figure out where the running gear is actually located. I heard it was somewhere in Atlanta but that doesn't seem right.
The running gear, much less any other part of of 1361, never left PA, with the exception of her drivers which went to TVRM for new tires and profiling (plus 1 new axle to replace the one broken/repaired in 1988 and 1 spare axle in case another fails). When it publicly tarred and feathered the museum, the PRRH&TS made the outlandish claim the boiler was in Georgia. Which is borderline slander/libel, in my opinion, as it was actually still in Scranton when they published that, in the EBT car shops shortly thereafter. The running gear is stored in the building across the turntable from the roundhouse. With a bit of machining to her box shoes (new castings), she could be put back on her drivers. The team desperately needs 3 pieces of equipment to do much more heavy work: a Bridgeport end mill, a taper attachment for a South Bend 10K heavy, and a decent forklift. Of, and money to have the engineering for the new roof sheet done and a professional boiler contractor do the work. Flues are on a rack in the other building too. So yeah, really not a HUGE amount of work left compared to the average park engine that's been exposed to 60 years of wet weather.
Everything is dependent on funding. The museum has an account set up specifically for the restoration fund, but the board is...well, they're not open even with the volunteers who've taken on the project with how much money is in there. The crew will say the same thing as I do: Hesitant to set a completion date. One of the crew commented they'd like to shoot for Spring 2018 but also reminded everyone asking that nothing can be considered concrete. The team is playing can-opener with the board while doing what work they can with limited resources, basically. Once they get everything straightened out and settled in, and the funding is available, they're going to start contacting and contracting the work that needs outside professionals. If you could hand them half a million tomorrow, I'd say 2-3 years is very doable. Otherwise, it's gonna take 1,000 people putting $50/month in the hat for a year...not that I know what the total cost is going to end up being to finish the job (that's something even I'm not sure of!), but $500,000 seems like a reasonable gauge. IF you're wondering about my source: I live here, so I have the ability to frequently visit the roundhouse and see stuff happen (Thursdays after 3pm, that's the real time to check in). Also there's a facebook page that a couple people connected to the project have hijacked to be the 'unofficial, but official' source of current information. facebook.com/fansofprr1361/
Judging by the time a steam locomotive has until they need their overhaul, if 1361 was still running and didn't have problems, she would've needed her Aux and her new valves, tubes, and springs in 2002. And the restoration most likely would've taken a few good years, maybe even a decade, to get all the stuff made.
Get hyped everybody, the 1361 is coming back. Once the boiler and firebox are finished, the locomotive can be reassembled and operated at FULL operating pressure.
Jake andzack - WHEN - is it coming back. WHERE will it be in service. Will it be in revenue service or just dragging empty passenger relics around a closed circuit.? It is wonderful to hear that a great machine has been saved and restored but quite another to have to become a rust pile - again - in some silly museum.
@@organbuilder272 soon maybe next year or 2021 it depends but the restored the big boy pretty fast I hope they run the 1361 at Strasburg because the track is in better condition than where she use to run what I heard also the restoration isn't the problem its where she is running so chances are 1361 will running somewhere where the track is well maintained but I could be wrong.
What a beautiful hauntingly eerie kind of sound she makes. I don't quite know what it is about these trains that draws me in but it is overwhelming.. Some of this scenery is just so beautiful!
I absolutely love this steam engine! 1361 is my favorite along with 3750. The K4 class was awesome! I personally also like the modern look of it instead of the prewar look. But either way it is still an awesome locomotive. I hope they get her running again which I think will happen according to reports from the Altoona Railroaders Museum that they will put a fire in her belly but won't be able to do much because of FRA regulations. But once the economy gets better I think we will see her running
Great clip, I love these PRR 4-6-2's. Such an lovely engine. I'm sad to know this engine isn't running anymore yet, it's nice to see footage of it's last excursions. It is indeed sad when the boilers of these machines become too risky to use. That means one less steam engine to operate that becomes a member of the museum retirement clan. A steam museum is like a cemetery... These engines are so full of sound and life, seeing one not operate is hard to accept.
Damn, what a sight, pity that its in bits and pieces now. The K4 is my favourite American engine as looks sleek and good, just like an English loco. It was also really successful in its chosen job and, unlike Bruce Kennewell, I think the whistle should be blown a lot, because it sounds amazing, in fact its the best American Train whistle I heard.
While not a big Pennsy fan to speak of, I so wish I'd been able to see her run. I was in my senior year of high school when she started running again and simply didn't have the means to think of getting that far North from where I lived in Florida until long after the incident occurred and she stopped running, probably for good...
They should seriously consider restoring her. I would see her in a hurry in a hurry if she did. I've seen her in a couple of clips on the PRSL and in South Amboy too (maybe they can run her there too)
It's such a shame she only ran for a year and a half before that catastrophic failure happen and sidelined here and 3 decades later she still hasn't run but hopefully by the late 2020s or early 2030s she'll be steaming once again
The tender is complete and is sitting at the turntable complex in Altoona at the Railroader Memorial Museum. Most of the parts are also at Altoona. The boiler and the frame were moved out of Steamtown in 2010, I believe, and last I knew were being stored at the East Broad Top Railroad.
If you want to see the PRR 1361 run again. It will take a dedicated group to gather the funds to bring all the parts together and restore and operate the locomotive. And also to maintain the 1361 also.
Excellent video. With all the new steam technology, especially on todays naval ships, one has to wonder if steam locomotives will some day grace the rails of the US again.
Could happen. Steam engineers like Andre Chapelon, L. D. Porta, David Wardale and others claimed that with modern steam technology you can reduce the pollution to that of a diesel, increase the horsepower, increase efficiency, and reduce maintenance costs to a fraction of what they were during the last years of steam. And they actually did it.
Mark Stockman not to mention the fact that steam can be generated by coal and natural gas as well... two energy sources the US has in abundance. the arabs can DRINK their oil. they'd starve to death if it wasn't for american grain farmers, so let them try to bake a loaf of bread out of a barrel of saudi crude.
Mark Stockman Federal boiler regs negate any cost advantages for steam operation. Diesel was able to lower the operating costs far below by elimination of these requirements.
I've seen pictures of natural gas boilers that, rather than having their tubes arranged such that heat travels the length of the boiler just once, it circulates back and forth across the length of it a few times before it exhausts. I don't know what the pressure of steam is when it exhausts from the pistons, or how feasible it would be to harness it, but the idea occurred to me that if one were to build a 4-8-6 locomotive, the 6-wheel trailing truck could be a set of drivers from a diesel locomotive. The exhaust steam from the pistons could be fed into a turbine to generate electricity for the electric motors, and then be blasted out of the smokestack. But like I say, I don't know how feasible this would be. Rearranging the boiler tubes as I described above, however, would be much more do-able. I can't help but think that even that would be a great increase in the horsepower and efficiency in the locomotives from the original days of steam.
1218 is not to bad off. It had a brand new rear flue sheet made and partially installed. I know as I laid it out and flanged it and the the rest of the GCRY boiler crew finished it. Personally I would love to see the M1 run at Strassburg museum. Any steam engine is fixable depending on what you want to spend.
I've always noticed a similarity between the K4 and the LMS Princess Coronation class. The latter looks very much like a K4 cut down to the British loading gauge.
I see that. I have been doing some research and noticed how many excursions. Wow is all I can say. I'll be going to Dublin in May to visit my niece. She is attending Trinity college. I'm really hoping to spend some time over in England to do some railfanning. It looks like there will be some excursions around that time. Its seens you guys have multiple events EVERY MONTH. Thats just awesome.
I wonder if 1361 could be restored to her Prewar look. None of the large Pennsy steamers in preservation (except for 460 but I think it kept that look even after the war, and the G classes) are in their prewar look. I think the K4's look a lot more graceful in the prewar appearance, and it would give us an operational prewar K4. I don't know. There's probably a lot to it that would make it difficult to execute.
***** I just don't understand how the 1361 restoration was such a boondoggle even after talking to some of the people at Steamtown. Maybe it boils down to private vs. government-run ventures.
***** I was under the impression that 7002 and 1223 were on loan to Strasburg and that they returned them to the RRM of PA when the lease was up. I didn't realize the 1989 FRA standards were the reason.
If I Remember right the boiler had some stress cracks around the dome. The firebox had some thin spots as well. Belpaire Fireboxes were very strong in design with less stress. As a result they used thinner boiler plate on the wrapper than did radial fireboxes. So Pennsy engines sitting out side with jackets on will have problems there. Ultra sounds became required after the Gettysburg incident.
@rboffill Yes any three of those steamers you mentioned would be a treat! I believe that 4483 is the closet Pennsy engine to restoration but the historical society that maintains the engine hasn't updated it in years. I just stay optimistic about 1361 I think she will get steaming again. It may take time but Altoona has spent too much money on her now to stop.
The diesel was to extend the range of coal and water on the deadhead moves. 765 ran solo around the apex of the curve. 765 was always working but the diesel was cut in on the steeper grades to reduce wear and tear on the locomotive. Also as ready backup in case of failure so busy mainlines aren't tied up. Rumor has it a weekend around the curve next summer.
@EMDSD14R According to some website I saw she was in York PA in 1988 when she had a main bearing and axle failure. The fire was dropped right there and she was towed presumably back to Altoona where upon inspected of other areas other than the axles the firebox was found to have multiple cracks and the smoke box had worn out to being really thin. The smoke box probably got that way from years of soot, coal, and ash going through it during service.
That whistle is amazing she sounds as if she is a ghost echoeing through the valley.
zachary perkey to my vision, it’s a he.
BUT I STILL DONT UNDERSTAND Y DO SOME PEOPLE CALL TRAINS SHES. I MEAN ARE ALL TRAINS GIRLS???
Trainguy #28 some things we just don’t question ok?
Funtime Follies ...
Wow
Wut???
She’s an absolute jewel. They are bringing her back to glory.
She really is Juniata’s jewel. I just started my dream job with the MTA Metro North Railroad at the age of 21 and on my reflective vest I have a bunch of pins. One of them is a keystone shaped pin with 1361 on it.
That old Pennsy whistle takes you back to a time where steam still rained king and these things were a very common sight. Maybe one day she'll sing again, one day...
Some day, PRR 1361 will steam again
@@TranscontinentalRailfan And so will LIRR 39, and 5550 will be the new one to be completed built by 2030. Imagine a gathering with LIRR G5 39, PRR K4 1361 and T1 5550.
Prr k4 #1361 is getting a full restoration
I can't wait to see her run again.
Good news, everybody! I just heard that the Juniata Terminal company, which has been very successful in their restoration of the PRR E8s, is now going to reassemble this engine after being taken apart at Steamtown!
That is good news!
Wilma E the Juniata Terminal company wants to start an excursion program with #1361. However the Railroaders Museum in Altoona is doing the restoration with help.
@@MrNJT What did you like on Number 1361.
That’s great to hear
Wonder how far along they are with restoring her
Beautiful steam locomotive. I really hope one day that Pennsylvania Railroad 1361 is back soon.
The PRR K4 will live on as a phenomenal, wonderful, astonishing, breathtaking, and extraordinary machine. May the K4 live on forever! I can't wait until 1361 and 3750 are restored.
3750 isn't undergoing restoration at the moment. 1361's is at the Railroaders Memorial Museum in Altoona, PA.
@@MackeyBigBoy4014 3750 will get a cosmetic restoration in the future that is.
*sighs happily* I love the PRR K4, such an awesome, yet inspiring class of engine.
I live on the Jersey shore &saw them every day as a kid. No one paid attention till they were gone.
My family served on the PRR, they served into Penn Central as well, and into Conrail. I’m proud to have PRR heritage in my family blood. PENNSY PROUD!
It is impressive to see footage of PRR k4 no. 1361 in operation during the late 1980s and also sad that the operation only last 1 year before suffering maintenance issues. The 1361 barely had time to operate in excursion service and this locomotive deserves another chance at life, hopefully the 1361 will be rebuilt and restored to operation in the future so that it can haul future excursion trains.
The one RAIL KING steam engine, my dad got me as a PRR K4 Pacific. I still have it too. I love K4's.
After years of silence they just announced that this PRR icon will be back in steam once again!!!!
What's unanimous here is the appreciation for that whistle... what a great sound, eh??
PRR 3 chime if you ask me, she was built by Altoona works in Pennsylvania
Truly a beautiful sound. K4 3 chimes always sound best on 205 psi of steam
Just beautiful!!! Brings back memories as a kid living in Matawan, nj in the early 50's seeing the K4s and CNJ G3s and Camelbacks headed to Bay Head Junction on the NYLB Railroad.
I'm planning to save a G3
It's _good_ knowing she's finally all back in one place and getting the overhaul she deserves.
I'm sure everyone here remembers a time not very long ago where it was genuinely a concern that 1361 would never even be in one piece again, let alone on her way back to operation.
her rebuild is faster than any of us expected
The present era is a great time to be a steam fan in the uk, new locos being built, new heritage lines opening,hundreds of mainline steam excursions.What the future holds is impossible to tell but at the moment most of us are cautiously optimistic.
The PRR k4 is one of my favorite steam locomotives ever! I can’t wait for 1361 to pull a horseshoe curve excursion
It will sometime the engine is getting restored so its gonna run excoursions on horseshoe curve
Anthony Nigri I know it’s getting restored. Why did you think I said “I can’t wait”
Gotta love the K4s. They’re simple yet intricate, influential masterpieces. They heavily effected the production of Gresley’s A series pacifics and the NSWGR c38. I find it hard to believe that only two made it to preservation. Nonetheless the two that we have do have a possibility of running again. 1361 is undergoing a major restoration and will likely run in two years
Far as I know, the Gresley A1s are basically about 2/3 scale K4s.
What a beauty
Damn!! That gave me the same chills I got as a kid hearing that engine & whistle 👍
Every time I hear the whistle I get chills!
Same
Altoona Valve 6 inch 3 chime built right inside the Altoona Shops
I must comment again on this outstanding video!! Thank you thank you !! A K4 freak in Canada!! Thank you!!!!
Awesome whistle,gave me chills
love this sound of that whistle
That shot and sound at 2:12 gave me tremendous chills.
Same
I love the sound of the Pennsy 3 chime
great video. definitely one of the best sounding loco's.. that whistle is awesome
Love the echoes of the wistle sound.
Just took a trip out to Altoona. Was hoping to get a glimpse of some of the K4s parts sitting outside in the yard. Got a little bit more that that. Walked inside the quarter roundhouse and right away saw the WIP boiler sitting on a flat connected to the tender, which is fully restored awaiting paint. And on the back side of the tender, were the words "fire up 1361"... I'd say this beauty's future looks pretty bright!
Read a few things on a Facebook page. A photographer took a photo of the WIP boiler and stated that the boiler needs a new roof sheet. With that it'll pass FRA regulations. The running gear is supposedly in very good shape, but needs to be moved to the same building housing the boiler.
I've heard the same thing about the boiler sheet... and I have been trying to figure out where the running gear is actually located. I heard it was somewhere in Atlanta but that doesn't seem right.
The running gear, much less any other part of of 1361, never left PA, with the exception of her drivers which went to TVRM for new tires and profiling (plus 1 new axle to replace the one broken/repaired in 1988 and 1 spare axle in case another fails). When it publicly tarred and feathered the museum, the PRRH&TS made the outlandish claim the boiler was in Georgia. Which is borderline slander/libel, in my opinion, as it was actually still in Scranton when they published that, in the EBT car shops shortly thereafter.
The running gear is stored in the building across the turntable from the roundhouse. With a bit of machining to her box shoes (new castings), she could be put back on her drivers.
The team desperately needs 3 pieces of equipment to do much more heavy work: a Bridgeport end mill, a taper attachment for a South Bend 10K heavy, and a decent forklift. Of, and money to have the engineering for the new roof sheet done and a professional boiler contractor do the work.
Flues are on a rack in the other building too. So yeah, really not a HUGE amount of work left compared to the average park engine that's been exposed to 60 years of wet weather.
+Eowaan you seem to know a lot about this engine... What do you think the odds are of her running in the next, say, three years?
Everything is dependent on funding. The museum has an account set up specifically for the restoration fund, but the board is...well, they're not open even with the volunteers who've taken on the project with how much money is in there. The crew will say the same thing as I do: Hesitant to set a completion date. One of the crew commented they'd like to shoot for Spring 2018 but also reminded everyone asking that nothing can be considered concrete.
The team is playing can-opener with the board while doing what work they can with limited resources, basically. Once they get everything straightened out and settled in, and the funding is available, they're going to start contacting and contracting the work that needs outside professionals.
If you could hand them half a million tomorrow, I'd say 2-3 years is very doable. Otherwise, it's gonna take 1,000 people putting $50/month in the hat for a year...not that I know what the total cost is going to end up being to finish the job (that's something even I'm not sure of!), but $500,000 seems like a reasonable gauge.
IF you're wondering about my source: I live here, so I have the ability to frequently visit the roundhouse and see stuff happen (Thursdays after 3pm, that's the real time to check in). Also there's a facebook page that a couple people connected to the project have hijacked to be the 'unofficial, but official' source of current information. facebook.com/fansofprr1361/
God that K4s whine put shivers up my spine. No diesel will ever replace such elegance and grace of even a workhorse locomotive let alone a streamliner
To operate in the NS 21st Steam Program, she would not only need to meet current FRA Regulations, but also have an Aux. Water tender and tool car
Judging by the time a steam locomotive has until they need their overhaul, if 1361 was still running and didn't have problems, she would've needed her Aux and her new valves, tubes, and springs in 2002. And the restoration most likely would've taken a few good years, maybe even a decade, to get all the stuff made.
Get hyped everybody, the 1361 is coming back. Once the boiler and firebox are finished, the locomotive can be reassembled and operated at FULL operating pressure.
@John McCardell Most of that 'more than' work is done, actually. Lacking the equipment to do heavy lifting is a roadblock, though...
Jake andzack - WHEN - is it coming back. WHERE will it be in service. Will it be in revenue service or just dragging empty passenger relics around a closed circuit.? It is wonderful to hear that a great machine has been saved and restored but quite another to have to become a rust pile - again - in some silly museum.
I read that too. I read that it would be touring Pennsylvania once it's finished.
@@organbuilder272 soon maybe next year or 2021 it depends but the restored the big boy pretty fast I hope they run the 1361 at Strasburg because the track is in better condition than where she use to run what I heard also the restoration isn't the problem its where she is running so chances are 1361 will running somewhere where the track is well maintained but I could be wrong.
Actually it's going to be on semi static display so ittle run just not at high speeds
This whistle is on Western Maryland Scenic Railroad 2-6-6-2 #1309 as of today.
What a beautiful hauntingly eerie kind of sound she makes. I don't quite know what it is about these trains that draws me in but it is overwhelming.. Some of this scenery is just so beautiful!
Wow this is amazing! Classic PRR K4's and a really sweet Pennsy 3 chime! I dont know how it could get better!
I enjoy listening to those engines sing!
I absolutely love this steam engine! 1361 is my favorite along with 3750. The K4 class was awesome! I personally also like the modern look of it instead of the prewar look. But either way it is still an awesome locomotive. I hope they get her running again which I think will happen according to reports from the Altoona Railroaders Museum that they will put a fire in her belly but won't be able to do much because of FRA regulations. But once the economy gets better I think we will see her running
At 00:01 02:13 and 05:27 I love that train whistle on this magnificent and historic steam locomotive!! I wonder when it well operate once more one day?
My favorite memory of childhood. Laying in bed late at night listening to the steam engine whistle into the distance.
I wish I could've seen this at the age of 23 in 1987! This is awesome!
love that whistle!
The whistle in the first two shots sounds like something out of a movie. Incredible!! Fire up 1361!!
2:07 it’s Shots like this that make me wish I had a Delorian so I could go back and see this old beauty in action.
Probably the most enjoyable video I've watched on YT in a long, long time. Thanks for posting.
You know what? I've seen these shots before on some of my "I Love Toy Trains" tapes.
1. 4:29-4:45
2. 5:49-5:54
I know! I was about to comment that!
oh the nostalgia!
I was scared of it in the video because it looks like its looking in my soul and its a beast
Railfanning at its best the immortal PRR K4!
There is nothing like the sight, smell and sound of steam. You can keep your diesels. Give me a smoking black giant any time.
Great clip, I love these PRR 4-6-2's. Such an lovely engine. I'm sad to know this engine isn't running anymore yet, it's nice to see footage of it's last excursions. It is indeed sad when the boilers of these machines become too risky to use. That means one less steam engine to operate that becomes a member of the museum retirement clan. A steam museum is like a cemetery... These engines are so full of sound and life, seeing one not operate is hard to accept.
If they don't restore this goddess, Altoona Works and I are having a talk! She needs to be back in service so she can be remembered again.
Damn, what a sight, pity that its in bits and pieces now. The K4 is my favourite American engine as looks sleek and good, just like an English loco. It was also really successful in its chosen job and, unlike Bruce Kennewell, I think the whistle should be blown a lot, because it sounds amazing, in fact its the best American Train whistle I heard.
While not a big Pennsy fan to speak of, I so wish I'd been able to see her run. I was in my senior year of high school when she started running again and simply didn't have the means to think of getting that far North from where I lived in Florida until long after the incident occurred and she stopped running, probably for good...
What happened?
I got mad respect for 1361 when she starts excursions sometime in maybe 3 to 6 years
Its incredible. The train actually sounds like its a living breathing animal.
That whistle sounds very haunting to me! I don't know what kind of 3 Chime was that, but it sounds very awesome!
7 years late, but it’s a PRR 3 chime, arguably one of the best whistles ever made.
They should seriously consider restoring her. I would see her in a hurry in a hurry if she did. I've seen her in a couple of clips on the PRSL and in South Amboy too (maybe they can run her there too)
This was definitely one of Berkshire Productions greatest videos!
Love It! Beautiful!
Really nice camera work, great video!
It's such a shame she only ran for a year and a half before that catastrophic failure happen and sidelined here and 3 decades later she still hasn't run but hopefully by the late 2020s or early 2030s she'll be steaming once again
I love so much these real steam trains....there is just nothing like them ,,, they are like big animals I love them so much
So much has changed since she was retired in 1957. We'll be lucky to ever see her running again.
2:10, Is that a great site or what. Awesome post, Thanx, I enjoyed every second of it.
The tender is complete and is sitting at the turntable complex in Altoona at the Railroader Memorial Museum. Most of the parts are also at Altoona. The boiler and the frame were moved out of Steamtown in 2010, I believe, and last I knew were being stored at the East Broad Top Railroad.
This is the representation of the Prr’s true power, despite all of its K4s being scrapped. This class of locomotives will always be famous forever.
Actually, K4s survive to this day. 1361 is being restored in Altoona and 3750 is on display at the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania at Strasburg.
@@TranscontinentalRailfan Ik, cuz this loco is one example of living steam power
@@TranscontinentalRailfan 3750 needs to be cosmetically restored, as it’s been rusted for so many years
@@ArnavKhode Right now, 3750 is waiting in line for its turn to be cosmetically restored.
Always loved the Pennsylvania railroad. 👍🏻👍🏻
Me to
“Howdy Thomas, now you look like one of the finest little engines I’ve ever seen!”
If you want to see the PRR 1361 run again. It will take a dedicated group to gather the funds to bring all the parts together and restore and operate the locomotive. And also to maintain the 1361 also.
animal16365 like the Age of Steam Roundhouse in Sugarcreek, Ohio.
+animal16365 I highly doubt that even if they get it operational, that it would pass the FRA inspection.
Thomas Weekley they are restoring her
Excellent video. With all the new steam technology, especially on todays naval ships, one has to wonder if steam locomotives will some day grace the rails of the US again.
Could happen. Steam engineers like Andre Chapelon, L. D. Porta, David Wardale and others claimed that with modern steam technology you can reduce the pollution to that of a diesel, increase the horsepower, increase efficiency, and reduce maintenance costs to a fraction of what they were during the last years of steam. And they actually did it.
Mark Stockman not to mention the fact that steam can be generated by coal and natural gas as well... two energy sources the US has in abundance.
the arabs can DRINK their oil. they'd starve to death if it wasn't for american grain farmers, so let them try to bake a loaf of bread out of a barrel of saudi crude.
Mark Stockman
Federal boiler regs negate any cost advantages for steam operation. Diesel was able to lower the operating costs far below by elimination of these requirements.
I've seen pictures of natural gas boilers that, rather than having their tubes arranged such that heat travels the length of the boiler just once, it circulates back and forth across the length of it a few times before it exhausts.
I don't know what the pressure of steam is when it exhausts from the pistons, or how feasible it would be to harness it, but the idea occurred to me that if one were to build a 4-8-6 locomotive, the 6-wheel trailing truck could be a set of drivers from a diesel locomotive. The exhaust steam from the pistons could be fed into a turbine to generate electricity for the electric motors, and then be blasted out of the smokestack. But like I say, I don't know how feasible this would be.
Rearranging the boiler tubes as I described above, however, would be much more do-able. I can't help but think that even that would be a great increase in the horsepower and efficiency in the locomotives from the original days of steam.
Natural gas to fire water into steam . Fascinating idea . Clean and powerful . It's done in power plants , why not on the rails ? Interesting .
Awesome steam locomotive. One of the best ever made.
Pennsylvania K4s Pacific 1361 🚂
1218 is not to bad off. It had a brand new rear flue sheet made and partially installed. I know as I laid it out and flanged it and the the rest of the GCRY boiler crew finished it. Personally I would love to see the M1 run at Strassburg museum. Any steam engine is fixable depending on what you want to spend.
I've always noticed a similarity between the K4 and the LMS Princess Coronation class. The latter looks very much like a K4 cut down to the British loading gauge.
Alan F Brookes
And given two extra cylinders.
Most of the UK pacifics took some note from the K4, notably Gresley’s A1s and A3s.
She had such a beautiful whistle.
Fire up 1361
PRR 1361 is getting restored to operate in Altoona so this might mean shrpe might operate excursions on horseshoe curve
She I meant not shrpe
I see that. I have been doing some research and noticed how many excursions. Wow is all I can say. I'll be going to Dublin in May to visit my niece. She is attending Trinity college. I'm really hoping to spend some time over in England to do some railfanning. It looks like there will be some excursions around that time. Its seens you guys have multiple events EVERY MONTH. Thats just awesome.
I wonder if 1361 could be restored to her Prewar look. None of the large Pennsy steamers in preservation (except for 460 but I think it kept that look even after the war, and the G classes) are in their prewar look. I think the K4's look a lot more graceful in the prewar appearance, and it would give us an operational prewar K4. I don't know. There's probably a lot to it that would make it difficult to execute.
Chills… and paired with the atmosphere as well.
In hamburg NY there is a PRR steam engine with all the old parts and the BSOR said they are going to restore it
I assume you're talking about PRR I1sa 4449. Sorry, but they've cosmetically restored her. She won't be restored to operating condition any time soon.
Great video annnnnd SOUND!!! And that grey, damp weather kinda suits her mournful old whistle 😎
If this was shot on a rainy day, then it would be cool to play this on a rainy day! (With speakers!)
1361 Truely Embodies the Magic of the PRR 3 Chime
At 2:07 you really get to see how fast a K4 can go!
They could go a lot faster than that
2:07
Wow. what a whistle...
So the 611 is getting a restoration while this one sat in Steamtown for a decade in bits and pieces and is no closer to getting restored.
***** I just don't understand how the 1361 restoration was such a boondoggle even after talking to some of the people at Steamtown. Maybe it boils down to private vs. government-run ventures.
***** Lol the Steamtown folks made it out to be some sort of funding issue.
***** I was under the impression that 7002 and 1223 were on loan to Strasburg and that they returned them to the RRM of PA when the lease was up. I didn't realize the 1989 FRA standards were the reason.
tachikoma747 It was a funding issue, they blew through the money doing the restoration wrong and needed more money
Pacific perfection.
If I Remember right the boiler had some stress cracks around the dome. The firebox had some thin spots as well. Belpaire Fireboxes were very strong in design with less stress. As a result they used thinner boiler plate on the wrapper than did radial fireboxes. So Pennsy engines sitting out side with jackets on will have problems there. Ultra sounds became required after the Gettysburg incident.
I wish the PRR K4 whistle in Train Simulator was updated. As of now, it sounds like absolute Crap.
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+Mike Pericolosi Was that English?
***** yes
Is that whistle the same as that fitted to the Duplexes? Sound like it.
@@mikepericolosi9386 sure it is...maybe according to modern public schools standards
my beloved
WHY DOES A PRR K4 HAVE A SP COACH ON ITS CONSIST!?!?!?!??!?!?
Because Doyle McCormack worked on this.
Why not have an sp coach in it's consist?
Mike Pericolosi It could also be a parts car.
It's the SP Daylights tool car it came east with Doyle McCormick who headed the restoration at that time.
Yep.
AWESOME LOCO,THE DRIVER ( ENGINEER ) PLAYS THAT WHISTLE WELL,THE ECHO IS GREAT,GREAT FOOTAGE.
PRR 1361 + SP Baggage Car + Black Coaches = Shakedown
Where did you get that information from? " contractors one guy grinding off the sides of the belpair"
Len.
K4 steam locomotive are my favorite
Great video.
@rboffill Yes any three of those steamers you mentioned would be a treat! I believe that 4483 is the closet Pennsy engine to restoration but the historical society that maintains the engine hasn't updated it in years. I just stay optimistic about 1361 I think she will get steaming again. It may take time but Altoona has spent too much money on her now to stop.
The diesel was to extend the range of coal and water on the deadhead moves. 765 ran solo around the apex of the curve. 765 was always working but the diesel was cut in on the steeper grades to reduce wear and tear on the locomotive. Also as ready backup in case of failure so busy mainlines aren't tied up. Rumor has it a weekend around the curve next summer.
@EMDSD14R According to some website I saw she was in York PA in 1988 when she had a main bearing and axle failure. The fire was dropped right there and she was towed presumably back to Altoona where upon inspected of other areas other than the axles the firebox was found to have multiple cracks and the smoke box had worn out to being really thin. The smoke box probably got that way from years of soot, coal, and ash going through it during service.