Tech Decoupling: China's Race to End Its Reliance on the U.S. | WSJ
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2020
- The tech battle between the U.S. and China has battered TikTok and Huawei and startled American companies that produce and sell in China. WSJ explains how Beijing is pouring money into high-tech chips as it wants to become self-sufficient. Video/Illustration: George Downs/The Wall Street Journal
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If you can't compete against it, demonize it. If demonizing it doesn't work, use administrative power to ban it.
They did that against Germany as well!
And are doing it again against China and hope us all will believe them as much as we believed their Iraq WMD claims that turned to be a pack of lies!
@@acidbot6681 they did it against Japan as well in the 80s when they were dominating the semiconductor industry
Ban it means quit the China's market.
@@danielsummer5155 you forgot their most favorite one. Human rights violation accusation...
@Crazy and Confident China does not ban them. They don't obey the Chinese laws and quit. Microsoft obey and stay.
Remember Plaza Accord in 1985?? under which Japan, France, Germany, the United Kingdom and the US agreed to push the value of the US dollar down against the Japanese yen. Japan was at the time an exporting powerhouse. Japan ran a large trade surplus and was blamed for US job losses. There were fears in Washington that Japan would overtake the US as the world’s largest economy. After the accord, Japan went into the " Lost Decade" that is economic stagnation and high debt. So the US is not new in undermining other economies. You are an ally to the US until you are its slave.
except China has a huge domestic market, Japan doesn't.
@@whosyourdaddy5719 yet they still rely on exporting their garbage to other countries
YK KAO Japan domestic consumption is 60+%
@@Bobelponge123 60% in terms of a small basis.
@@jr3753 the device you are replying me is made by China, and according to you is a garbage, so throw it away now
Me thinks it's better to have China dependent on USA than go it's own way. Take the example of the ISS, the US made it it's mission to deny China a position in the ISS. The hope was that the block would slow or stop China's space plans but that clearly backfired and now China has its space station. I think the same will happen with this entanglement.
the same thing happened to us when the US refused to sell us unmanned drone weapons ,and now we have made it our selves and even selling it to our allies
@@selehadinhabesi3855 Turkey Bayraktar drones main part hornet rack made by the British EDO MBM(which is a branch of US corporation)
And the rockets are constructed by British military companies at
Roketsan.
China is a different weight class - on par with US
Also us wanted Taiwan to represent China in the UN, China was wait a minute Taiwan is only an Island can"t you see us. USA didn't expect that China and Africa friendship will shift towards China in the UN.
CHINA AND USA NEED EACH OTHER. COMPETITION IS GOOD BUT COOPERATION IS BETTER.
@OPSAT He's talking about the early Cold war...and then linking that up with African investment initiatives by China??? Think this guy's an incoherent mess.
I love it, this will force China to get its act together and start producing advanced tech. We will now have real competition that can benefit the world.
Truth. Hopefully US will also speed up in developments. I would like to see what they're truly capable of that may benefit humanity
Great for China, bad for US Tech giants. China has been wanting to build up domestic chip companies but that will require a lot of subsidy and tariff on foreign import to work, which would have been seen as unfair trade practice by the international community. Now, the US essentially ban its own export of chip to China and force its own allies to do the same. This gives China the free reign to do all the subsidy it wants to support its own domestic chip industry and achieve its long goal of becoming a strong player in the chip industry.
@@animewatch4213 also true. I respect this opinion
If you think China will only use this to benefit the world youre more than naive..
@Nick Williams Well, if China cand do that successfully, you might wanna consider unconditional surrender. You know, live to fight another day.
By the way, they said that about Russia too a few years ago. And they will say it about any nation that starts to prosper.
The US does not wanna its problems of massive poverty, inequality and limited access to education.
Usually, nations use feedback from their population to improve and adapt. The US chose to blame others. That's why it is in trouble.
May the best chips win
Sam Andati Pringle’s...definitely Pringles...with Doritos a distant second.
I'd take Doritos. Very delicious
The most diligent people will produce the winning chips.
@@litchi4507 you mean the most Asian people
@@selehadinhabesi3855
It is about the quality of work required to accomplish the task. Anybody who could put in the necessary ingenuity and effort shall win.
It's foolish to think the U.S. is the epicenter of all technology. Nvidia couldn't manufacture their newest high end graphics cards without Samsung's 8nm technology.
It's difficult, Samsung and TSMC produce the chips, they master the machinery behind nm technology, Nvidia Qualcomm and Intel master the design of the chips.
You get an example with Exynos processor by Samsung, they are not as good as Snapdragon processors.
*They'd find other ways. It's foolish to think they can't.*
@@datagrab Really? Are they just going to walk down the street to their local 8 nm and 5 nm fab? You don't understand the industry.
Now Samsung is coming here
The fundamental fact is China's GDP is 70% of the U.S and China's Manufacture GDP is 150% of the U.S. Trump feels the fear and would like beat China like how they treat the Soviet Union and Japan in the late 80s and 90s. However, none of Japan or Russian had such high manufactural GDP even at their peak time.
@Bird Ye Not true at all
@Bird Ye alright keep staying in your own little bubble.
@Bird Ye ignore them lol, prolly just 50¢ CCP bots
@@eddy-currents when right wing NPC have no further argument : CCP bOtS!!
Then move manufacturing to cheaper country. I think China has reached the Lewis turning point
Google and Facebook already steals all our personal info, does it make a difference? 😂
Well i would not consider it stealing because you give the consent to them 🤷♂️
Google and Facebook won't thrown you into a concentration camp or prison if you disagree with their policy like the CCP has been doing the past 4 yrs
@@kristalsunuwar8675 It's not like I have a choice. My peers and friends use apps owned by them, I need it in order to stay connected to them. Plus I want the free content on UA-cam.
@@aaap3875 Meh, this is concerning private user data. Even if the Chinese government has access to ours, neither you nor me live under the jurisdiction of their law. Hence you can clearly criticise them without any reprisal, which you are clearly doing.
Of course it does make a difference. Google and Facebook are American companies, so they are favored by the US government. Yes, the same government that spies on its citizens (and non-citizens).
Chinese companies bear the moniker "Chinese" which many people think are communistic. I don't know why they haven't been able to come up with a better-sounding more friendly and more Politically Correct name. Commies must be bad, right? Right?
Snowden sneezes every time US says national security.
This is the best opportunity for China to be self-reliant in Technology.
The problem is where would they copy that, the technology you are talking about?
@@darwinism18 You should make yourself knowledgeable before making any judgement. Who is stealing from whom? China owns more patents than any other country.
China's leading spot in the race for technological innovation news.cgtn.com/news/2020-08-09/China-s-leading-spot-in-the-race-for-technological-innovation-SMXuBFTH0s/index.html
How China is outperforming the US and Europe in technology and innovation e27.co/how-china-is-leading-the-world-in-technology-and-innovation-20190827/
How China leads the world in technology innovation www.telegraph.co.uk/connect/better-business/business-solutions/china-technology-innovation/
China's achievements in tech innovation attract attention in US www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201909/27/WS5d8d9b58a310cf3e3556ddc6.html
@@darwinism18 They dont need to steal now lol
@@darwinism18 china have more patent than usa
they will just copy wester tech as always
Also alot of Chinese own properties in the US are up for sale, some big properties too ! I think i saw a report on CNBC
Chinese taking there money home or investing elsewhere at a time the USA needs investment.
@@skippy5712 yep...
they're coming to Bangladesh, Vietnam
*... How is that compare with the Jews*
@@skippy5712*... Let's say 1930s... History has a way of repeating itself 😔😓*
@@skippy5712*... National Security, they took our jobs, "cannot trust them" as excuses, nationalist government, authoritative populist leader... you have a full suit.*
China: fine, I'll do it myself
After stealing the trade secrets and copying it or course.
@@Abhishek-sr2pu but China is making their own. So they can't steal anything.
@@Abhishek-sr2pu The only stealing that I've heard about is that they invest in a company before taking their trade secrets and do something with it. Technically, it's not stealing because they own a part of the company, but it is unethical.
@Tan Peng Joo who knows maybe they'll make it b e t t e r
@Tan Peng Joo if the USA can develop their own, China certainly can as well.
More competition, good for consumers.
Jan if you’re from the USA then be prepared for an economy down fall but if you are not, then good for you. I’m from Asia and feel like the US needs to step up their game before the Chinese getting ahead of them tbh I don’t want Chinese to lead. I don’t trust their morality.
@@shibanana618 i'm also from asia. Same thoughts. Not picking sides tbh. It's like picking bad or worse, i hope my country stays away from their feud. Can't trust China, but US is a sinking ship.
@Tommy Scott i'm a 3rd gen Chinese immigrant, if i dislike the CCP does that make me a racist? I don't know how the world is suppose to trust a government that silence its critiques and people that questions their leadership. To be clear, I'm also not a fan of Trump, US has been the laughing stock since he took office. At least Biden could make things better for US citizens, but not so sure he could undo the damage that Trump caused.
What will happen is within China there won’t be competition because they will mandate chinese made chips, and outside China no one will want to use Chinese made chips with ccp backdoors.
@@Fotenks There are solid cases where chips (from super micro?) have NSA hardware backdoors. More than one case. Also, the internet backbone is wiretapped by NSA too.
Wasting so many time on this, fix your healthcare system first America
Not just the healthcare. The Major political system needs overhaul. No more lobbyists
American should have salary cap and operations in all hospitals. Trump could do it because he has the guts. Too bad he focus on other things.
If the government manages the medical system, it will become communist socialism.
That is undemocratic and liberal.
Capitalists have the right to choose to make more money!
Isn't it?
America, you're wasting so much time on this. Fix your healthcare system first, America.
The healthcare system is doing just fine for the rich and wealthy. They don't want to change.
But like, when you go into the developer options on Google Chrome, you can look into Network and see what data is being sent and received.
So in terms of software I think it's very easy to deduce whether or not certain data is being collected without your knowledge.
At the end, potato chips wins 🤗
When your dad wants to divorce your mom, he blames everything on her. pretty Typical decoupling
Sweetie, I feel very sad but I burst out laughing.
When she cheat and lie steal we want decouple who need empty promise..when we do it just fine without these thief. USA freedom of the world
@no plan..if those happened how silly are we right?? China fakk u right into ur face
Same in reverse
I think its better to divorce than depend and be controlled by 1 single LADY. Better have multiple wives -- India, Vietnam, Russia, Mexico, Bangladesh Turkey than stay committed to China.
This is a good thing, two ecosystems is okay to have.
Trump has cut his nose and spite his face America's economy will only go down spiraling so who is America going to sell it chips too China will manufacture it's own chips. Remember dolly the clone sheep.nothing is impossible in today's world.
@@hubreydavid9422 lol relax man, life is like a TV show, it stays interesting, just enjoy the ride and the drama, besides 我已經會中文。我什麼都準備好了! 😅😅
I agree it's okay, but not two ecosystems bound by fear and suspicion.
@@Levitiy that's the nature of humans
This is more akin to Cold war than competative ecosystem. No one wins in a Cold war since its not driven by value creation but value destruction by supression, control and bullying
who is the biggest spy on earth ?
Snowden: usa, they still look to kill me now.
@john franklin Continue their attacks? More like continue their religion and culture...
@@bigbelly9478 There were years and years of bombings and violent attacks in Xinjiang, after the re-educations camps have closed and all internees went home, there was no more terroristic or extremistic violence for three years running. Very effective and much cheaper than hunting and waging war on terrorism like what the US did. It cost US trillions of dollars, and for the other side, conservatively 37M people displaced, billions of destroyed property and million civilians killed, and yet there are more terrorists today than when they started.
Just two days ago, almost all the US media came out with the article that the US post-9/11 wars on terrorrism have forcibly displaced at least 37 million people in and from Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, the Philippines, Libya, and Syria. This exceeds those displaced by every war since 1900, except World War II.
"13-ton shipment of human hair, likely from Chinese prisoners, seized"
Yup, no concentrate camp at all. Just believe in China's government and ignore all Whistle Blower the scale of Snowden,, but Chinese instead, right?
Not to mention the massive protest in Mongolia now because China's government put people who protest on "wanted" list for trying to stop CCP from destroying Mongolia's language and culture.
@Tommy Scott Doesn't London have a massive surveillance system? There are security cameras everywhere in the city.
@@chinaforcedorganharvest-me7062 US war crimes!!
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America wants to go back to the 80's. You need a time-machine for that, not tariffs.
@Tommy Scott yeah and abandoned your little prestige which you have left by Abandoning your allies.
Japan’s yesterday and China’s today. Learning history is good!
When you're pushed into corner, either you submit like dog or strike back like tiger.
But China is dog acting like tiger
China got blocked by US-led Wassenaar Arrangement for 70 years, it means China just can't buy high-tech like Japan from West,
but without US blocking, how could China has its own nuclear bombs, space station, supercomputer chips and satellite navigation?
@@Shubham_Bahirat - so you want to submit yourself to be bullied? You want your country to submit to your white master again if that ever happen?
@@lvjinbin28 - you forget the Soviet Russian?
@@Shubham_Bahirat and India is nothing and act like a lousy dog.
Barking without meaning.
🤷
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I recall Erich Honecker announce triumphantly the first 8080 chip by East Germany's Robotron company, as the state crumpled around him. Chips are important.
Competition is always great for the end user.
What about human rights in the US?
Surely you joke. Compared to China, human rights in the US are a dream. In China, if you upset the government you can simply disappear. In China, you either agree with the one-party government, or you are a criminal. There is no room for opinions.
Andre 1,000 its nice to see the masses in the US still think democratic principles can enact changes on the federal level 🙂. The deception is real
@@is1dre Black people are being slaughtered in the US, where are their human rights?
Once China get over with this chip problem, the next thing they will need to do - is to build their own commercial planes quickly. Beside these two matter there is NOTHING else China need from US. It will be a major showdown on all fields after that.
I thought China already been making commercial plane such as COMAC C919. They just need to make the engines. At the moment they rely on General Electric or Royce Rolls to supply the engine.
China relies on the US a lot more than the opposite. Remember China is not making anything of importance to the US. China is exporting a lot but most of the high-end products are just assembled there not made there. You think that when you see Made in China on your iPhone the phone is actually made there? Literally nothing in that phone is made with Chinese technology or even Chinese machinery. Most of the machinery that is making the phones are from USA, Japan and Germany. Same goes for everything really.
@@davout5775 I guess you never heard of rare earth metals.
@@gerardy7500 China and Russia are working on nextgen of commercial planes.
Sam Gooi , maybe they don’t need it from the U.S. but where is China going to get food and oil. Where will they get the “long range” protection of the shipping routes to obtain food and fuel ?
Remember when Japan was the 2nd largest economy and trying to top the Semiconductor industry? US gov intervened in the market, and destroyed those Japnese companies. Now the same thing is happening to China LOL.
The difference is China is a massive nation with 1.4 billion people. China is not like Japan. US will hurt themselves very badly. It's already happening. US cannot even control a tiny virus how can they compete a massive nation 4-5 times bigger than them? China got rid of the tiny virus within weeks. US is still struggling to contain it.
@@SimonCU China lies, they never got rid of the virus! It is still there. With that said I am looking forward to new designs and ideas coming out of China.
@@KentonSimpson even it is still there at least they practice wearing mask, keeping a distant and sanitizing public areas. They want to contain and stop the spread. Totally opposite from US. We down played it and want to spread it as much as possible and many dont want to wear a mask. Yes the virus is everywhere but some countries want to stop the spread some wants to spread and down play it.
@@SimonCU lol, if recent sanctions go through quickly then it's inevitable that the US would cripple the Chinese economy. Population isn't the deciding factor
China also doesn't have access to Indian market anymore
This is great for consumers!
Remember when Intel have monopoly? We stuck in 14nm for years and rebranded quad core for almost half decade! Yikes!!
Not exactly, because if the ecosystems themselves are separate, then things won't work well together. And the future is going to need a whole lot more integration between the different kinds of tech you have.
We are in a era of 2 eco system of choices. Sound great to me.
Thank you Trump for strengthening the Dragon.
QCOM has signed a license for 5G with Huawei and the next step is likely them buying Snapdragon chips too, it's all about the money. QCOM is under appreciated by the market consistently and never talked about correctly, they completely miss the IP side of chips.
China has five years plan and investment accordingly what us has?
The pioneer effect?
Trump
This is the different between totalitarianism and democracy
china still gonna lose cuz usa has alien technologies in area 51
For democracy, votes, democracy (doing their own way) and disputes are all necessary!
Qualcomm and alike firms will feel the pain in four years.
They are going to close anyway. Without China they don't have money to do research and once China catches up then Qualcomn pluses will in in financial straits. Then, others will take their place and join China gravy train. Sayonara US tech companies
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1:49, he has a book, I thought it is called "Superpower Snowden". How ironic if that's the case, haha.
Haha it’s showdown. But I bet Snowden will be more fun to read.
Huawei has something to prove.
They have a chip on their shoulder.
When you're forced into a dead end, you will jump over the wall... when the chips are down, you will make a decision on your own survival.
Simple survival instincts of all living organisms.
For sure, after all the majority of its shareholders are their employees who work hard for its survival. And why shouldn’t they? You need to take pride in your work for all the effort you put in. Only the almighty God knows the truth.Amen
The problem lies within Samsung and LG, if US doesn’t stop the corporation between South Korea and China, then China will continue to using South Korean semi-conductors. A restriction of ASML machinery sold to South Korea might prevent it. But it does seem that China is investing heavily into Russia to build their own systems.
Russia has no technology, Russians are clueless when it comes to semiconductors, and advanced electronics, how are they suppose to help China?if you are referring to Huawei affords and plans to invest and cooperate with Russia, that is just policy and propaganda to effect US policy.
Even ASML's EUV technology was invented by a guy in Taiwan who at first failed to pitch it to them-dominated etch leader Canon, who resort to sell it to the Trailer startup called - AMSL.
@@JigilJigil If you take apart ASML's EUV scanner, you'll see that its major system components are lasers(from Germany's Trumpf), vacuums and mirror optics(from Germany's Carl Zeiss). Building EUV scanners requires expertise in laser physics, vacuum physics, and optical physics.
The Russians are strong in physics especially laser, nuclear and vacuum physics. See www.newscast-pratyaksha.com/english/laser-weapons-russian-defence-forces/
Remember Andrei Sakharov, he invented the Tokomak fusion reactor.
@@JA-pn4ji kinda pointles comment. Its just a fact that the russians have a non existent electronics industry. It is what it is. In fact, they have a non existing industry in everything except weapons, rockets and helicopters (which all tie back to weapons).
@@Mr30friends Semiconductor fabrication is more about the physics of lasers, vacuums, materials and optics than about electronics. The topic by @Sky lance was about ASML machinery, and I was responding to @jigiljigil dismissal of russian technology.
It'll be a lose-lose situation for both countries in a technology cold war and decoupling.
4:01 CHIPS! Chips....
Me: Pringles!!
And............my stocks are going DOWNNNNNNN
Time to buy more
@@markelijohnjavierpascual4112 yes
Buy!!! Buy!!!
No Chinese money, sales going down 2/3, no more money for investments, covid crash will look soft near this !
Stock is like a wind, it will goes sometime up and sometimes downnnnnnnnnn.
Bought Huawei mobile and laptop this 2020 and is looking forward to its new OS. Dumped Samsung & MS Surface which I'd been using since 2010 & 2016.
you should have bought mac
@@jonnym4670 played with Macintosh d 90s, not going back dear. Time to move on 😊
@@zerahliling31 mac back in the '90s was a different thing steve jobs had just come back to try to save it
they were dying and they made the case different colors to keep it afloat but after that, they changed they have the best os and CPU. engineers use them for a reason
@@jonnym4670 Freedom of Choice dear 😊 if US don't block Huawei in every aspect...I may not even pay attention to this brand, hehehe
We need both
Huawei is threatening American company, tik tok is a threat to American company. 🤣🤣🤣
How to win a war and conquer US. By tiktok!!!
Might've just found a .50 Cent Army account. Not going to forget that the CCP sends people who disagree with them to concentration camps, and these companies such as Huawei and Tik Tok are puppets of the regime. I would much rather my information be in the hands of some big orange idiot than some psycho communist.
@@deliverant9375 Feel sorry for you to live in such propaganda world, producing such an ignorant mind.
@@deliverant9375 China should learn propaganda from western media. You literally embody the mindset that they're trying to instil in westerners.
@@deliverant9375 Those are pretty gross exaggerations.
It must be painful to lose for the defending champion.
Win for the consumers!! Bring on more competition = innovation !
its not all about investments , its brains as well.
I like chips too, barbecue flavor is my favorite
US can keep sanctioning China's hi-tech companies and apps, this can only provoke Beijing to work harder toward the goal of self-reliance and independent. Practical none of the US global sanctions on every country bears any fruit so far, they all end in futility.
In fact, China has now moved nearer to its goal via years of diligent work..
same thing happened to Russia they were on par and could build better computers than America but then they did this political drive and the politicians got involved and this was made from their standpoint not the scientist
Russia fell behind and never recovered
Outdated Intel logos lol
Good for the world to have more than one choice/standard to prevent monopoly
What I know is that China just as the US largely depends on other countries to be great. No country can be independent in this era. Look at the iron ore from Brazil and Australia, the coal from Iran and other countries, other valuable minerals from Australia such as lithium and nickel.
Gain foresight on issues the Chinese understand this when you look at a plan you need to see this. To back it.
Is this the new standard in constructing an English sentence? I think I need to go back to school to learn gramma all over again.
It’s cause he works in a Chinese propaganda farm
85% of US's medical supplies came from China. Let's continue to rely in China and ignore how China's government threaten US several times of cut off medical supplies shipment and "Plunge the US into the Sea of Coronavirus", right?
Competition leads to innovation, we are not enemies, we need each other in order to progress💪💪
@questfor truths true😂
*very nice*
Why the correspondent is both titled "WSJ"?
The next door's boy who you have bullied are keeping growing tall. Beating and tripping him won't stop him growing. Going there and making friends with him is the best policy.
Tech decoupling is stupid, because in the end, it will need to find a way to communicate.
but what we would also have is diversification between east and west. western tech and eastern tech will now become more different and in the end better for the consumer in the long run. look at Europe and why it got powerful it was because of competition between small states which breed lots of innovation. look at the cold war and how much stuff was invented then. competition breeds innovation.
So, what about AMD? They already mentioned intel
Is there really any U.S.app store?
Decoupling is not in anyone's best interest. We are not sure about the winner, but the loser will be the average hardworking citizen both in China and USA....Politicians will not lose their jobs, but the average citizens will..Politicians will cheat and most of them dont pay any taxes anyway,.,,For an average American, decoupling does not mean the jobs will come back home...If need be, companies will just shift from China to Vietnam, and other cheap labor nations....While there is a need to make Beijing accountable for its unfair trade practices, the best option would be for the US to keep China dependent on its high tech,,,,A win win situation for both
Decoupling must be supported by HEAVIER taxes for those who outsource American jobs. And only then, you will se that it, the decoupling, will benefit the American hardworking people. Someone must put an end to all this globalism madness.
@@darwinism18 Thats not even the case...US companies want to sell to Asia, Europe etc,,,If all American companies go back to the US, they will lose their competitiveness and access to foreign markets..Thats the point #45 sand his government dont seem to note..
You always emphasize on your country's security, have you ever considered other countries' security?
As a human being, we all should consider others' security.
As a country leader, only its country's security is the concern. Other country's security is just an abstract matter if it doesn't affect its own country's security.
It sound really bad and sad, but that's how the world works right now.
Spot on
@@leojei
But it seems like TRUMPY and POMPEY goes too far .
It feels like they are racists .
@@heavenzhu7516 I'm from Hong Kong and I heard a lot of stories about how some HK real estate developers were bailing out Trump from bankruptcy, then ended up with Trump tearing the contract and suing the developers. TL;DR; I'm sure the contract would've been one-sided but, this showed that Trump is ALWAYS in for himself and himself only, and he'll screw whoever when he can put more money into his wallet, even to break relationships with those who "helped" him from bankrupting himself.
So no, I don't think TRUMPY (well I don't know about POMPEY) is racist. He's just using this for whatever gain he can get. It can be any other ethnical groups, like what he's doing to his African population in US.
To me, while a country leader only worries about the security of his/her own nation, TRUMPY only worries about his own and willing to compromise his own nation's to his personal gain.
USA spies all the time. I rather have the USA spy than to have the CCP spy on you. At least the court system in the USA is a lot better.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
SMIC is for logic (CPU/MCU and etc), and there are other manufacturers dedicated for memories (Flash/DDR).
Raise the volume. WSJ better hire professional sound engineer!
The problem is your device, honestly. Or your hearing
The decoupling is good for China.It will force China to become self-reliant.China will may be a few years behind in chip technology but it will not only catch up it will lead in semiconductors.
Self reliant in tech, but not self reliant in food, they rely alot of imports on food to feed the population.
@@plantlord1079 No. China can feed the population. But when people want variety and diversity,import food is necessary. Most soy beans import are used for feeding animals and for industrial purposes.
@@user-eh2ur7yb8z 1.4 billion with half the land mass of the US and a growing middle class, right. Meats from Australia and U.S. they get produce in large amounts from Mexico, Thailand, and Japan. Foreign dairy is also demanding. Also chinas is very wasteful, you would think they're frugal but they clearly didn't learn from past famines.
@Derius Li 😊
@Leeka Scotand taiwan (not china)
Too late. AMD already sold Zen 1 mircoprocessor design to China. They are now free to copy and improve the design.
licensed which can be revoked. know what you are talking about.
and now SMIC is under blacklist...
They said 4 years behind US and Taiwan but what they really mean is just behind Taiwan because TSMC is the only company ahead of anyone right now
Depends on how you see it. Taiwan and Korea are just the two manufacturing arms of the US-led semiconductor empire.
*nervous laughter, as i'm watching on a oneplus.*
You are screwed.
Japan, South Korea, and ASEAN Will also decouple from US as China's Tech Industry Influence Grows.
Yes, the Senkaku island will be the place of the joint venture between a democratic Japan and the mainland communist China.
All the countries are feed of China and really need American help to maintain sovereignty. They all hate China, if US decouple so will these countries
@@boymeetsbush8232
They hate China because they know what China has been doing.
Chinese have zero idea about intellectual properties and royalties.
All they have been doing the past decades were copying illegally and buying experienced specialists from neighboring countries
From technology perspective, it will not happen as those countries depend heavily on US tech to produce their goods. All countries will choose US side as it has the most fundamental technologies
@@tannedpotato5375 they hate china just because america force them to hate. nothing else.
WSJ needs to do something about the subtitle..
Why don't anyone noticed that the sound behind the video, is indeed quite similar to jackfrags?
What is a US app store? Aren't they all global? ...
Actually no. Huawei cannot use Google Play store because Trump banned its use. So now Huawei builds its own App Store.
@@DellDreamer that app store along with any other app store has no bounds in terms of location. It's not like you can't use the Huawei app store outside of china
politics are messy!!!!
JN / climate change
Eric H they are committing mass genocide in Xinjiang as we speak. Their COVID killed 900k so far bombing is insignificant in either examples. Yulin dog meat festival kills millions of dogs each year. What kind of inhumanity can do these acts. The video I see are horrible the torch them alive put them alive in boiling oil. Disghusted.
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@@hiteshk8758 you should see what USA does to cows and pigs
@@LizardKing360 source on those 5 million 😂 bet it's from Falun Gong, the Eastern scientology
Hope every country can produce their own chips
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Are you going to go with us or are you going to go with them?
I am going for profit and growth.
Yeah, that's a pretty stupid question to ask, the world is much larger than US or China, there is no shortage of alternative options where governments don't stick their fingers in how you run your business.
Well, in that sense, China because China is the only country with a positive GDP growth number this year, around 3.6%, while the US is having mid-double-digit percent down.
@@AvadaKedavra943 Don't be ridiculous, no country in the world has a positive GDP growth this year and it's no secret that Chinese GDP figures are not exactly 100% honest, never have been.
@@aleksandersuur9475 Pandemic has been a thing of the past in China since late March, and they took a V-shaped recovery. China only lost 1 month of productivity. From mid-Feb to late March. I don't know why you would think that. I have been staying in China since last Christmas, and China is doing very well. I can see that with my own eyes.
Whatever is good ! Wait, trump are you spying me to see if I am buying Chinese products and bomb my home ?
China is embracing the highest speed of tech advancement now! And come on, we all know what U.S. is try to do now. We will see what happens in near years. Well, as a Chinese, I am thrilled about the future of China and America!
In the long run，competition between two superpowers are good for
the development of technology.
@Ruemann yes the US, has being stealing from the whole world during 100 years. But it will be over soon.
the odds are against SMIC. The semiconductor foundry game is super competitive with only 1 clear winner and many with deep pockets exit to avoid mounting losses. SMIC has struggled with 14nm for years while TSMC is now producing 5nm in high volumes. unless the domest chinese market is willing to live with such a big gap in technology, SMIC really doesn't stand a chance
The world should be a cooperative whole! The American way is to dig its own grave
su suwinner - Easier said than done. The same can be said for China - tell me, why the heck would CNY make an American the bad guy in their #1 action film (Wolf Warrior 2), if they seek peaceful cooperation instead of “Wolf Warrior Diplomacy”? When, it was trade with America in the first place that has employed tens of millions (if not hundreds of millions) of people in their home country via factories & supplier networks, and helped to lift them out of poverty? CNY has not played by the rules of fair global trade and has now become even more desperate, it would seem - resorting to nothing short of biting the hand that has fed it for so long - and is now seen as the aggressor in most of the Western world. Even Japan is siding with USA now. Look up the Thucydides trap.
@@christopherarmstrong2710 and how many american films have demonized people of other races? America didn't "lift" china out of poverty, america needed china on their side against the soviet union, and america alongside its aligned countries were facing economic crisis in the late 60s, 70s and china fulfilled that role. China provided a key role in the globalized economy. The thucydides trap as a theory manifests itself as america retaliating against china's rise, so if your trying to use it as some reason to hate china the aggressor within that theoretical paradigm would be america. It is hilarious that you think that the global economy is essentially the act of america feeding other countries prosperity lol. America enforced the naval trade routes and permitted trade over them, but that was no favor. America gained its sole superpower status in part THROUGH china's cooperation.
China doesn't understand cooperation. It won't even except an investigation into the Carona Virus. What does that tell you about them? They are absolute bigots.
USA attacked China first. China will have better technologies and cheaper too. My opinion we will see.
How are the recent developments counter productive to both sides, individually and collectively?
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When will China be able to completely decouple from the USA?
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Would China and America's decision to decouple slow down tech innovations?
Smart scientists across the Pacific working together make the world much advance in technology. - GREAT remarks
I ask my wife to engage tik tok with me tonight!
Jack Ma said .. tough luck or take my flying carpet alibaba
Jack Ma stepping down and starting ANT VENTURE is a strategic move to invest and financially support Chinese role in Global dominance.
Trump's trade war and isolationist campaign has aroused nationalism in China. Huawei's cellphone sell number doesn't change much because domestic consumers are more inclined to purchase Huawei phones with patriotism instead of rational decision (Huawei phones are still low on cost performance than other Chinese Android phones with Qualcomm chip).
BS. You knew nothing about Ant
As of November 7, 2020, please read the news again about ANT Financial. Did you even read what Jack Ma said? Time to use Google and read more. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
How dare you not mention amd?
How can the U.S. companies compete with China's low wages.
*I love these Human Rights, "I can't breath" and etc 🤣🤣*
@This Account Punch Fascists it's a 50¢ bot
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@This Account Punch Fascists Wu-hao
Have you guys checked out how HK police treating the protestors? None of the HK police has any consequence while we are talking about defunding police. Meanwhile, the China‘s success is the hardworking Chinese not its government.
Open Source reduces the ability to implement sanxtions
Yes, but tha also reduces in the short term companies' profits, and those troglodytes dont think behind their next dollar/yuan
@@catalindeluxus8545 open source software ecosystem is better than proprietary garbage 🗑️
SMIC or ESS EMM AI SEE?
I'm gonna go with them.
Instead of helping more Chinese companies keep relying on US technology, Trump is preventing Chinese companies from relying US companies.
Wonder if Trump is pro America or anti America.
You idea of NOT helping more Chinese companies means pro China is ridiculously stupid.
Actually what China calls "End Its Reliance", it not really end its dependance on US technology, it's just trying to hide the using of it. For example, instead paying us companies for using its software, they use cracked one, instead of buying us chips, they smuggle it from us or buy it from black market.China never plays by the rule, it always cheats, there should be consequence.
He doesn’t know ... n he doesn’t care .... all he want is to get elected by getting vote from anti China ... whatever that orange do that block China has not bring any factory back to USA ... only from China to some other country ... he doesn’t what is really good for USA ... he only hate China
Seattle Seeyou cheat, lied, n stole is American way, not Asian way. We cheat, we lied n we stole.🤣🤣🤣
@Han Yatra
If you want to quote, at least give the full context of Pompeo describe what CIA's training.
Asia never cheat? Search for China's knock off, from cars, fast food chain to even toys. LYING is part of Chinese since Ancient Times.
You want Sunbuck Coffee in China? Or Pizza Huh or all the knock off, even fake Apple Stores.
4 years into the belligerence
and
what MANUFACTURING has returned to USA?
Harley?
Tesla?
@XMB 2nd factor in Shanghai is near completion. 2 factories within 2 years.
The biggest bully's tactics simply reflect its pessimistic view of its own future!
This is what sanctions from the US did for China: developing a better global position system North star, developing its own space program with stations, focusing on next-generation chip technology away from silicon to graphene, overtook 5G lead, and starting 6G for future telecommuting and etc. Worst of all sanctions has handed over 50 billion sales to vendors in Europe, Japan, and South Korea; which further depleted financial resources away from the US companies to stay competitive in this fast-moving industry.
How can you talk about chips and not mention ARM? But the future might be Risc-V.
If ARM gets taken over by US Nvidea, then RISC-V would come into play! Especially as the RISC-V working group have presciently moved their HQ to Geneva, Switzerland.
@@JA-pn4ji Arm is owned by Softbank and Saudi Arabia(Softbanks main co-investor)
And Saudi Arabia is a Chinese largest oil importer.
@@emmanuilushka But SA is the diehard Middle-East ally of USA
China chips is lagging behind because they never really develop it. but since it s crucial to depend on itself right now, CHINA FOR SURE will lead all the way to the best chips produces. CHinese people are one of the smartest and hard working people. It is even fast tracked by one policy maker, no labor union demanding this and that, a long term vision. China s system once again proved to be superior than US.
He Said STONKS 3:37 tehe
So would it basically just be a sort of modern-day Cold War Space Race thing?