This Liquid team is actually amazing with the addition of Stewie2k. Liquid gave him so much space to play the way he wants, and it rewards the team hugely.
The championship-winning round where he pushed up mid to flank banana exemplifies perfectly what stewie brings and what was missing in Liquid. You could never imagine anyone in any of the previous choking Liquid teams making a championship-winning individual push like that in that close of a game.
@@Jonathan-vc6xj of course I give him credit. He's been able to go in with more of a game plan, has his former IGL as coach, and Stewie awping here and there has really helped nitr0 with mid round calling. Also stewie doing secondary calling on entry has been great.
You don’t pick up a player with Stewie2K’s mindset of how to play the game and then not give him at least some degree of freedom to do that. He’s an intuitive, timing based player and if you don’t let him be that kind of playmaker you’ll never get him to reach the high ceiling that he’s capable of. That’s one thing that definitely concerns me about FalleN’s judgement now as an IGL, team captain and evaluator of talent. You pick up a guy like Stewie for SK/MiBR, changing the language in which the entire team communicates (a team whose main strength was always centered around team play and strong communication) and you just slot him into Taco’s role as a support/occasional entry and hope for the best. Imagine what FalleN may have done to s1mples development as a player had s1mple chose to accept SK’s offer.
Twistzz didn't need to even be mentioned in the list of misfit players because his previous team's name is evidence enough. 😎 Good video, I really enjoy analysis about team dynamics. The bit about EliGE kind of leaving Liquid was particularly interesting as well.
Really looking forward to cologne and hope to see Astralis against liquid. Feel like the game in Montpellier mainly went Liquids way because of Vertigo which felt a bit random and 50/50
Right, but D2 was open. Thorin mentioned this in his EPL video. If Astralis felt like they were a better team than they would have picked dust 2 instead of dropping it.
@@cosman24 Not the question tho tbh is it? I think Stewie is much more hungry as a player than the lazy autimatic. auti is actually a god but he can't be bothered to leave and actually do well. He is probably a better passive player and very stable but that wouldn't work with NAF in the lineup - they are basically the same player in the server. So while autimatic is arguably a better player, he wouldn't work in TL because there would be a role clash, kind of like felps and Fer. But if they could overcome that and make a shift, which would certainly be possible given adreN's strength as a coach then TL could be a much more stable team. However, I personally think stewie is a better fit not just because of NAF but because it allows TL to be a much more aggressive and insane team with strategy and raw firepower. So overall, autimatic would make TL stable but a stable number 2 (similar to TACO) that would always have lost to Astralis because the aggro wasn't there. stewie offers the leg up in aggro firepower
I think autimatic is like a classic liquid player. He doesn't bring the energy or the intuitive reads that Stewie brings. I think they would have been good, but they wouldn't have been able to get over the hurdle of Astralis.
@@beanburritocs autimatic hasn't left C9. It's a sunken ship he refuses to leave, he can't win with this team. They didn't even make it to the major and yet he didn't leave even tho there are teams that would snap him up in a heartbeat.
Liquid is doing great this year, definitely deserving of their ranking atm. However, unlike Astralis who has shown near unbeatable prowess up until recently, Liquid has still shown signs of being beatable. I think they'll win cologne, but I'll be backing Astralis to win Starladder this year in September.
The same astralis-type dominance might not ever happen in the scene again. Liquid are #1, not unbeatable and dont have an era, but they are the best team at the moment.
Adam Flexen Astralis isn’t bad, it’s a testament of how much the high level teams have improved. We’re in a state in CS where any team within the top 15 is capable of winning an entire tournament. Even with the struggles MiBR has had, they have beaten Astralis and Liquid in recent months (they’ve beaten TL twice in ECS). Astralis just needs time to adjust, they’ll be fine.
no I agree, the economy update as well as the AUG nerf has proven to be a major decider of how viable a team is in the current meta. As Thorin is saying, versatility is the key in the current meta. It’s why Liquid, Mouz, and recently Furia have all performed very well lately.
she was that girl in the ESL pro league season 9 finals who was screaming really loud whenever elige got a kill, there was a reddit thread about her that was something like "who tf is the banshee screaming at the finals"
@@Shinigami.GK3 I think hes trying to say that team liquid winning the major would solidify them having an era...or else they could have a failed era such as faze
This Liquid team is actually amazing with the addition of Stewie2k. Liquid gave him so much space to play the way he wants, and it rewards the team hugely.
In adreN we trust. He knows how to utilize everyone on the squad. You're totally right, he has more space now.
DKizzy Hey give nitr0 credit too!
The championship-winning round where he pushed up mid to flank banana exemplifies perfectly what stewie brings and what was missing in Liquid. You could never imagine anyone in any of the previous choking Liquid teams making a championship-winning individual push like that in that close of a game.
@@Jonathan-vc6xj of course I give him credit. He's been able to go in with more of a game plan, has his former IGL as coach, and Stewie awping here and there has really helped nitr0 with mid round calling. Also stewie doing secondary calling on entry has been great.
You don’t pick up a player with Stewie2K’s mindset of how to play the game and then not give him at least some degree of freedom to do that. He’s an intuitive, timing based player and if you don’t let him be that kind of playmaker you’ll never get him to reach the high ceiling that he’s capable of. That’s one thing that definitely concerns me about FalleN’s judgement now as an IGL, team captain and evaluator of talent. You pick up a guy like Stewie for SK/MiBR, changing the language in which the entire team communicates (a team whose main strength was always centered around team play and strong communication) and you just slot him into Taco’s role as a support/occasional entry and hope for the best. Imagine what FalleN may have done to s1mples development as a player had s1mple chose to accept SK’s offer.
Loved the voice over for the Marvel reveal, Nitro really is Captain America
Liquid is not overrated you salty MG NOOBS!
lmao
DMG actually
@lucky strike Then lets get ready for cologne :)
lucky strike didn’t dreamhack Dallas have 7/10 top 10 in the event at that time
lmao
Twistzz didn't need to even be mentioned in the list of misfit players because his previous team's name is evidence enough. 😎
Good video, I really enjoy analysis about team dynamics. The bit about EliGE kind of leaving Liquid was particularly interesting as well.
Wait. Where was Twistzz before Liquid?
Don't tell me, was he under seangares in Misfits?
Mihir Bhole yes
Mihir Bhole he was in misfits and tsm
Man, after all the close finals, all the choking, it’s finally paying off being a liquid fan.
Liquid is good.
Thorin "quite frankly" Shields
It's a great time to be a NA CS fan.
Why does thorin put on headphones
And now they won ESL ONE Cologne. NA era Liquid era
VienerSchnitzel Not quite, we all have to wait for September
And now they won IEM Chicago. NA era Liquid era
27:17 you are welcome
BluntSmokingAnusDestroyer
Really looking forward to cologne and hope to see Astralis against liquid. Feel like the game in Montpellier mainly went Liquids way because of Vertigo which felt a bit random and 50/50
Right, but D2 was open. Thorin mentioned this in his EPL video. If Astralis felt like they were a better team than they would have picked dust 2 instead of dropping it.
Nostalgic af. Havent really followed cs since early 2018. Kinda fun to reminisce on the past of these players.
Wheres the cs_summit 5 video m8
I take a whiff of this joint
I miss 10 minutes
I still enjoy the video
Funny now times have changed. NA are now the best team in the world rather than EU
Great content, straight fire!
love your clips Thorin!
NAF also played for Renegades if I remember correctly
He said that. try listening correctly.
What do you think would happen if instead of stewie they picked up autimatic ?
autimatic is a different kind of player completely
@@cosman24 Not the question tho tbh is it? I think Stewie is much more hungry as a player than the lazy autimatic. auti is actually a god but he can't be bothered to leave and actually do well. He is probably a better passive player and very stable but that wouldn't work with NAF in the lineup - they are basically the same player in the server. So while autimatic is arguably a better player, he wouldn't work in TL because there would be a role clash, kind of like felps and Fer. But if they could overcome that and make a shift, which would certainly be possible given adreN's strength as a coach then TL could be a much more stable team. However, I personally think stewie is a better fit not just because of NAF but because it allows TL to be a much more aggressive and insane team with strategy and raw firepower. So overall, autimatic would make TL stable but a stable number 2 (similar to TACO) that would always have lost to Astralis because the aggro wasn't there. stewie offers the leg up in aggro firepower
@@weavercs4014 agree with everything except the work ethic part
I think autimatic is like a classic liquid player. He doesn't bring the energy or the intuitive reads that Stewie brings. I think they would have been good, but they wouldn't have been able to get over the hurdle of Astralis.
@@beanburritocs autimatic hasn't left C9. It's a sunken ship he refuses to leave, he can't win with this team. They didn't even make it to the major and yet he didn't leave even tho there are teams that would snap him up in a heartbeat.
Thorin you know your stuff bro i feel like you get a lot of shit but ur smart af
Normally it's angry Brazilians that give him shit
Inb4 angry Brazilians
13:15 I agree with u Thorin
Nitr0 dnt get enough credit in todays Liquid sucess. TBH he is a brilliant IGL he is the Karrigan or ex6stenz of NA.
Allstar CSGO FAR better than karrigan ever was. Nitro is the best IGL of all time.
@@rollingthunderinho when it comes to fragging nitr0 got an edge but karrigan is still the better IGL
@@rollingthunderinho
One of the best
But not the best of all time
@@lightningprowess6031 not yet :))
Not quite Glaive or Fallen is he?
all if have to say is LETS GO LIQUID !
27:16 WutFace
oh another liquid video from thorin, wouldn't have expected that...
Since Astralis became Blastralis = Thorin switched to support Liquid
I felt that TACO was a better player in Liquid than MIBR and when he came back to Brazil he looked like a better player
iBP brought in Desi and Nitr0 iirc
Amazin vid
now that I think about it, mibr did fuck up a lot of players
Liquid is doing great this year, definitely deserving of their ranking atm. However, unlike Astralis who has shown near unbeatable prowess up until recently, Liquid has still shown signs of being beatable. I think they'll win cologne, but I'll be backing Astralis to win Starladder this year in September.
The same astralis-type dominance might not ever happen in the scene again. Liquid are #1, not unbeatable and dont have an era, but they are the best team at the moment.
Astralis are dogshit rn, if current play is any idea, they will get dicked in their next tourney.
The economy update made it where even Astralis cannot repeat that level of dominance if they went back in time
Adam Flexen Astralis isn’t bad, it’s a testament of how much the high level teams have improved. We’re in a state in CS where any team within the top 15 is capable of winning an entire tournament. Even with the struggles MiBR has had, they have beaten Astralis and Liquid in recent months (they’ve beaten TL twice in ECS). Astralis just needs time to adjust, they’ll be fine.
no I agree, the economy update as well as the AUG nerf has proven to be a major decider of how viable a team is in the current meta.
As Thorin is saying, versatility is the key in the current meta. It’s why Liquid, Mouz, and recently Furia have all performed very well lately.
Twitzz is way underrated!
No he’s not? He’s literally regarded as the best NA player and on the path of being the best NA player of all time let alone a top 5 player in 2019
Well, they prolly need to win like a major or two to call it en era
not really, if they continue to be in alomst every single tournament grand final, you can call that an era
@@Cozzyk1ng yeah and then they will lose a major. U cant call that era unless you're NA
If they win the IEM grand slam (probably will) and the upcoming major its an era without a doubt
@@shookya6976 yeah. All they need is a major, there are no eras without it
@@skaddy3762 Actually I'm pretty sure NiP had an era without a major. They still won a major, but I am pretty sure that was after their era.
didn't know that EliGE have girlfriend.
Any source, links about her? xd
do you like, specifically look for the instagrams of pro gfs to jack off to or something lol why would people have "links" about some random chick
thats kinda fuckin weird bud
@@walrus9999 haha, i'm just curious dude, nothing special.
she was that girl in the ESL pro league season 9 finals who was screaming really loud whenever elige got a kill, there was a reddit thread about her that was something like "who tf is the banshee screaming at the finals"
@@pickelz1882 roflmao banshee
They haven't won a major, there is NO era. Calm down.
Major winners doesn't signify that an era is present. If that was the case Gambit, and C9 would have an era
@@Shinigami.GK3 I think hes trying to say that team liquid winning the major would solidify them having an era...or else they could have a failed era such as faze
Vincent N23 he didnt say they have an era. He said they have a chance to start one
Overrated team. Back to old choking after AUG nerf, you heard it here first. AUGquid only strong because abusing broken weapons
Everuone is abusing the aug I dunce
I bet you actually post on hltv lolol
lmao everyone used the aug you dense vegetable
Lmao as if they don't absolutely melt with AKs and M4s before the Aug. Nothing will change. Also astralis and ence heavily rely on augs too
mad cause bad
Thorin “peekaboo” shields