How Does Height Affect Your Lifting? | JTSstrength.com
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- Max Aita and Zack Telander with the assistance of Team Juggernaut lifter Janyce Okamoto, break down how height affects lifting technique and program design.
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If we could get a powerlifting version of this with Chad that would be awesome 😊 great vid
Yes PLEASE
pls
Powerlifting please
This...
Excellent explanations of the leverage and starting points based on limb and torse lengths. Some body types simply have a natural advantage, as with any sport.
At 6' 6", I've tried many times explain this to some of my lifting partners. Thanks for the break down. People really underestimate the differences in what it's like to lift heavy for taller people.
Yep, I usually get a response along the lines of "Excuses..." when trying to explain the difference in mechanics and the corresponding difficulty of squatting for me at 6'5".
@aspi rine just sayin that the world record in Deadlift is by Hafthor who is 206cm tall
@@mrspangles932 No you're just WEAK for your size. Squatting isn't rocket science.
Taller people have higher absolute strength. They tend to weight more, have a much bigger frame.
Take strongman competitions, the bigger you are _the better, the taller you are, the stronger you can be. Sure, it's harder to maintain and this is to say that you just have a higher strength cap, but someone who's simply bigger will, on average, lift significantly more. Taller is better in terms of absolute strength.
I cannot say much on powerlifting, since I haven't really looked into it, but if you are to, say, take a normal deadlift, a taller person probably still has the advantage given they have a normal ape index, they're _just bigger_ and do not have to lift that much bigger a distance (if at all).
Height matters a lot in gymnastics, shorter is better due to similar reasons presented in the video. Doing a front lever while being 6'6" requires _amazing_ strength, not so much if you're a foot shorter though.
Shorter people also do tend to have a lot better relative strength.
Ranted a tad more without a clear point, but ultimately: taller people are stronger, the ape index matters a lot (you're either disadvantaged/advantaged at pulling/pushing), shorter people have better relative strength.
For lifting big weights and putting them down, big = better, not powerlifting though.
height does not matter. It's relative height.
As the hosts correctly guessed, tall people are not weaker, but from physics perspective (in terms of work done expressed in joules) they just have to do more work (work = mass * gravity acceleration * distance lifted).
As a 6 foot tall lifter in a SERIOUSLY frustrating and confusing plateau, I appreciate the HECK out of JTS attention to detail. Super considerate video!!!!!!!!
I hear you! I'm 5'11.5" (just shy of 6") with loooong levers. Definitely frustrating, but as you mentioned, really appreciate them addressing this! :)
There is nothing more beautiful than a tall white woman.
Rebecca Naeve am 6’1 and 15 I know how it feels
Rebecca Naeve I enjoy the generous rounding down. :) Has your frustration subsided at all?
Even Jeff nippard hasn’t made this video and it is so important for people to know.
Yeaup
@xxtine 😭😭😭
@xxtine he's really 4'10? Damn, he so short lol. I thought around 5' above
Re: Von he’s 5’5
He’s a leprechaun
Shout out to all the knuckle draggers. At least we can deadlift ...
Amen 😂
Deadlift was fine, front squat was fine but the all time best exercise for tall people in my opinion if you want to kind of replicate squat and dead lift is the Zuercher squat, such a great hinge movement, you can work on thrusting your hips or using more glute/hip to bring the body upright. I personally think it’s a great supplement to the squat
Trying to explain away my poverty bench with my beautiful deadlift
@@InTrancedState Bodyweight bench press ftw
@@djyeah-nah9781 no joke that's almost exactly my ratio too
As a 6’10” newbie with a 7’3” wingspan, I needed this. Thank you JTS 🙏🏻
How often do you see someone taller than you?
@@Sealed_Chamber in the netherlands everyday
@@krippaxxuseredarlordofthes9940 He's already 9" taller than the average height in the Netherlands.
This plays a very important role in lifting technique. I ended up injuring my back because I was taught to lift heavy by someome much shorter than me.
It wasn't until I saw a sports physiotherapist, who did a detailed assessment of my height and proportions, that I discovered why my form was bad and why I had injured myself.
Turns out I'm in the same boat as the tall guy in this video. I'm all legs with really long femurs. Which makes my hip and knee position whack when deadlifting and squating.
It shows that you really need to learn to lift with someone that understands your body type.
@Matt M. My diagnosis from a doctor and physio is irritated discs in my lower back - right at the base of my spine, around L2 - L3.
It's from lifting too heavy with poor form and also not having enough trunk/core strength to stabilise my body properly.
The flow on effect from that, is the surrounding muscle structure and ligaments have gone into spasm to try and protect my spine. But that has caused a whole bunch of other problems. Like tightness in my lower/mid back and hip joint.
I didn't know how serious it was, and it was originally misdiagnosed. So I kept lifting and squatting, with even worse form (now that my joints were stiff from the original injury). So I ended up injuring it further.
Really stupid of me to not rest and get help originally. And to not get a second opinion.
So now I'm not allowed to do ANY lifting that puts additional compressive force on my spine. Body weight is fine - but no extra weight.
90% of my exercise now is mobility work and rehab. A mix of yoga and pilates. And regular sessions with the physio to help get spasm out of the muscles in my lower back.
Sorry for the essay. But yeah. You need to be SO CAREFUL with your back. Deadlifts and squats are fantastic exercises but damn. You really need to learn how to do them properly with an excellent trainer.
I'm also 6 foot 4 tall, and I have 6 foot 8 wing span with a very short torso. Of course, deadlifting is my strongest lift, but I'm actually pretty decent in pressing because of strong triceps and shoulders.
A lot of people don't really understand how height affects volume and recovery also, so it's nice that you covered that although very briefly.
Tall Lifts 6 foot 2 over here with a 6 foot 5 wingspan. I actually have short legs and a long torso, I’ve never been disproportionately good at deadlifting or disproportionately bad at any of the other lifts. This stuff matters but just not as much as people think. That being said, I’m not that tall (just tall by lifting standards) so I’m sure things change when someone like yourself who is actually tall lifts.
@@eramars5699 You're only two inches shorter than him.
@Fuck Google I was just pointing it out.
I’m a 5ft1 dude who competes at u61. Finally being short and small is good for something
Here I am clicking back and forth to compare Jeff and Janyce's limb:toros:height ratios like a mug when I could've just waited 10 seconds where they were superimposed.
I'm 6'4" with a 5'10" wingspan. My fingers don't reach the bottom of my pocket when I'm standing upright
Woah that's crazy. You must be a squat/benching god 😂
@@EmpoDaddy99 I'm sure I would be if only I was strong
@@jackn9951 lmao same here
@@EmpoDaddy99 one day, brother
@@jackn9951 we both got this brother 😤
But wingspan doesnt take into account torso (schoulder) width. So you could have 2 people with exactly the same wingspan, but still different length arms right?
Measure arm length, and your issue is solved
Janyce is a babe.
That's my contribution to this comment section, thanks.
Asian girls are gorgeous. I'm white and I plan to marry one despite the possibility of having a son not looking like me.
THIS MAN SPITTIN FACTS!!!!!
@@JoeyCentral you made it weird
Ctrl H why did I make it weird but you didn’t?
@@JoeyCentral you're both pathetic
6'6" with a 6'6" wingspan, deadlifting is my favourite lift, only starting to get better at breaking parallel in the squat it's a long way down and a hard hole to get out of when I'm down there 😂
Same here. Deadlifts are always the most fun.
@Cliff Farrell ... Consider starting from the bottom position, Anderson squats, or paused squats.
Im only 5'8 but i'm ALL legs, it's so difficult to do squats! I have tried for years and can never get the weight any heavier than 185lbs. My torso is 16 inches and my legs are 42 inches LOL. So far i've learned to love the vertical leg press, still trying to figure it out.
Loads of very good and useful information here. Thanks guys!
Our pleasure
so for the big three:
Long arms: good for deadlift, not important in squats(?), bad for bench
Long torso: bad for conv (good for sumo), good for squats, neutral for bench(?)'
Long legs: good for deadlift, bad for squats, might give a little more legdrive for bench(?)
7ft+ people: "these pull up bars are great for dips..too bad I bang my head on the ceiling though"
long limb length it seems like it makes it difficult for people doing bench presses also. Imagine how much further the bar needs to travel...
Yes but generally a muscle on a larger frame is a larger muscle, thus it is capable of the extra load it needs to overcome. Except for the few cursed individuals I've seen lol some people are born lucky. The rest of us are lucky to be born.
@Matt M. oh yeah thick frame/bones vs small frame..
@Matt M. yeah. I'm in the same boat as you, with similar height. but my wing span is a little longer than my height. I have a short torso. So I have no problems with dead lift since I have a shorter rotational distance.. the higher center of gravity makes it more difficult for gains for squats and esp. with the long skinny frame and long arms.. building upper body is super difficult.. I've relegated myself to thinking I can achieve a lean/toned body instead of one can develop a large muscle mass...
Mr. Potato Head has the best pulling and squatting leverages. JTS needs to recruit him for powerlifting.
JTS: Hi Zack, welcome to Juggernaut, it's great to have you on our team
Also JTS: Look at this *DOOD*
So if we talk about proportions, why not show the graph at 2:00 and divide every length by some body part or for example divide everything by their height. Than these bars would give us a clearer indication how these athletes are really different from one another.
How is his height an advantage in squatting? The weight on his back via his long femurs creates a tremendous amounf of torque, which the quad has to overcome to get the weight back up. Having shorter femurs would reduce the torque. Or...?
I though his name was Jeff? Why are they calling him Zack?
Mynamejeff
Unless Im missing a joke, his names always been Zack, hes got a decent size channel. You might be thinking of someone else
@@orlandoswift7398 You're missing a joke. See his insta.
Yes Zack you're everywhere now :) ... 6' 1 myself 💪 🔥 very informed video thank you guys
ZT goes so wide for his jerks - I think I might need to try this. I'm a knuckle dragger, and I really struggle to go higher than BW on my jerks with a conventional grip.
Great video great content once again from JTS!!👍😎
Thanks again
Interesting video. I've often wondered this myself, as i've noticed a lot of great CrossFitters and weightlifters are often quite short and stocky.
I hit the ceiling with the plates when I do OHP
I hated my previous gym because I literally couldn't do these without standing on my knees.
my friend did that :D,
same. it sucks ass.
I'm 6'4" with a 7' wingspan. My forearm length makes for a terrible front rack 🤷🏿♂️
Pocket Hercules. He is the extreme of body proportions. That's why p4p he is goat in the Olympics
It's very interesting to see how I have been feeling the same as comments here long before I realized the impact of height and body proportion.
as a 194cm goblin with very long arms pushing exercises are nightmare.
I'm sorry but I clicked cos of the thumbnail.
Not all true a lot of things is all about genetics.And that pertains to whether you tall or short.
Perfect explanation gentlemen!
show this to all the strongmen in the world.
Janyce Okamoto is hot as hell thats the only reason I watched this shit 💪👍
194cm here. Thanks for this wonderful vid
I'm 5'9" but I have long arms and long legs which is why my best sports are track and field and soccer.
Thanks for the helpful tips
And Janyce has a cute smile
6'6 with an 83" wingspan.. picked up deadlifting (no pun intended) pretty early on and progressed quickly, but bench press was always a major challenge.. best thing that helped was doing high frequency and not always lifting as heavy as possible to practice the skill of benching and really dial in a groove that works well for my frame. back squatting always bothered my lower back, but front and especially zercher squats helped me get a lot stronger in that pattern.
@Matt M.no i work out in a home gym and only have a pair of 25 lb dumbbells. frequency, lighter weights with things like long eccentrics (4,6,8 even 10 seconds) and pauses, and a slightly narrower grip all helped grow my bench. but the biggest thing was realizing that progress in that particular lift was just going to happen really slowly and there was no magic bullet other than putting in time under the bar to make it happen
amazing explanation!
so say iam not an oly lifter but just a guy who wants to squat alot and has the same build as zach should i do high bar of lowbar for the most size and strenght
Great video!
FINALLY! An excuse to do less reps 6'6" and my cleans suck ;-)
Was that an app you were able to take those measurements on?
Janyce has lovely legs!
Please do a powerlifting version!!
I am 6'7" and a strength coach. I love doing snatch and clean but doing it from the floor I look like somebody tranquilized a Sasquatch in slow motion. I mostly do the lifts from the knees. I've also had trouble progressing in load and can't seem to get past 70kg.
On another note, I have a client who is 5'4" and she is the chosen one when it comes to snatch. Form and technique are spot on.
Moreover, on jerk, getting under the bar because of my long arms has been a work in progress to keep from being a press.
Are you me?
Do a video to increase limb length next or increase height!
At 6'7" with pretty long arms, I've always struggled with Olympic lifts. Just seems to be more room for error. Nice to know I'm not totally screwed, just might need to tweak the form some more. Good video.
look at lasha, he's 6'6 and might be the greatest weighlifter of all time, dont lose hope
@wynn324 Hahaha, OMG, you guys comparing Olympic athletes with amateurs always makes my day! 😂
I'm not excessively tall or have a long wingspan (never measured wingspan) but I think my femurs are so large that all squatting feels hard, my bottom position is too low and mobility is a big issue. Deadlifts are great though. It's proportions that matter.
Damn shawty foyyyyne
thanks a lot for the detailed info. how about someone tall with relative short limbs? is that a double whammy?
Good video.
By saying it is more work because in tall people there is longer range of motion is misleading. Thats not the reason that shorter people can do repeats easier. The reason is the lever effect, in short people the weight is closer to the point of rotation. When you turn a handle(lever) you want the handle long because it will turn easier(you apply the force, so you want to apply it longer from the point of rotation).But when you lift a weight your limb is the point of rotation and the weight applies force to you so you need the "lever" short. Of course the range of motion plays a role in separating the work in increments, but it makes sense to say it after you analyze things even more! than I have analyzed it. If you say it before analyze nothing, it makes no sense. (in other words , if you dont move the weight at all, and just hold your arm in 90 degrees there is no motion at all , but the lever effect still applies , and for shorter people its easier)
Yes the leverage is a big factor and is the main reason why taller people have to use more power to move the weight, the force applied is simply higher even with the same weight because the weight is further from the rotation point. YOU ARE RIGHT!
as 5.5 dude i never knew it would help me in any sport lol until i started Olympic lifting, tall or short no excuses we can all achieve
Wrestling, my friend. Short and stocky is king for wrestling.
Jeah another 6,4 here. I loved video. I am not weightlifter but of course i Use alot of elements from it finding out it actually helps so much with My back pain and overall stiffness even dough i already suffer from certain medical back issues. Tall lifters dont get discouraged. We are slower in progress but in the long run "bigger frame=more muscle" in our case persistancy prevails. Keep grinding.
As a 6'6 ex-powerlifter, I am excited to transition into weightlifting despite my handicaps. Ready to learn!
I've been waiting for a Video looking at height as I'm 6'6"
I m not gonna lie this looks impressive as hell
No such thing as "too tall"
If you think you are too tall to lift, you are just too light for your height
Except if you juice
@@Frogstomp27 The best bodyweight to height ratio for weightlifters cant be achieved without juice, at any height!
@@fmls8266 But you're always better off juicing. More muscle for your frame = better leverages at same bodywieght than a taller person who has less muscle.
I'm 6,6 about two hundred pounds and I'm extremely weak how do you think that works
@John Smith
I have a very crazy metabolism so I can understand, but I agree us short guys can pack muscles much quicker.
Deal with it I guess, I'd rather be tall anyways if I could choose
Finally, someone who understands why my squats look funny 😔me with my long ass femurs
Long legs and long arms and a very short torso 😂😂😂
I have pretty long legs for my height. I'm 6'3 with a 36in inseam. Makes squats and dead lifting really difficult to get proper form. I can't keep upright and maintain my balance so I end up always bent over.
@Matt M. I can really only do deadlifts with a trap bar. If the gym doesn't have one, I either can't do them or I have to just make do with light weight and high reps.
For squats I have a little better form if I do front squats. But again, that limits the weight I can do and it really doesn't put that much less stress on my lower back.
Honestly I just do most of my heavy leg work using the leg press.
@@KurNorock even front squats are a handful because you still have some forward lean that causes the bar to gradually roll off the shoulders
@@ChrisJames-gv9wy yep.
6,4*
Any of their male lifters 6 or 6.1 with normal limbs?
Im 6"3 and only a few months into weight lifting good shiet
Well I think the comment I was typing was deleted so in short:
You need to make a more serious, scientific breakdown of the idea that being taller (even if you had exactly the same proportions as someone smaller) and being longer limbed makes doing more reps harder. Work is just a measure of force multiplied by distance, not a measure of energy expenditure relative to the amount of energy you are capable of providing to your muscles.
It absolutely makes sense that having long legs in relation to your body/long femurs in relation to your shins is disadvantageous for squatting and deadlifting/pulling when you're looking at the maximum weight you can move compared to someone with the same muscular force generation capacity (I hope that made up term makes sense), but shorter limbs. However, the idea that your 80% is harder than someone else's 80% is really hard to wrap my head around without some serious science behind it. On the surface, 80% should just be 80%, no? If your 80% is harder than someone else's 80%, wouldn't you expect either that they could lift beyond their own 100%, or that you would be unable to lift your own 100%? If they're able to do an equivalently loaded (percentage wise) lift while using less of their available energy (percentage wise), wouldn't they just not actually be lifting at their 80%?
I think they mean more in terms of recovery. As in like how deadlifting is more fatiguing than benching so someone shorter could theoretically handle more volume than someone taller. I'm not sure though so hopefully someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
Is it just me or is the asian girl proportioned. I don't get it that these guys are saying she's short-limbed. Am I the only one who thinks she's proportioned?
She is short limbed but they make her sound stumpy :P. I think the clothes make a difference too
Where is my 6.5 gang at ?
It just affects his ability to look like he lifts weights. He still squats a bit more than me so good job bud. Lol.
im also 6'4 with v long legs and v short torso and long arms except pulling's a nightmare as well as squat & bench smdh
@Matt M. bro i couldn't have put it any better myself. compounded with my body fat set point of what seems to be like 25% it ain't fair hahah
you got to figure out by your self, im 191cm wide hips wide but cranky shoulders, good at both dl but bench is close grip/shoulder width elbows almost touching body, overhead press close grip, any wider than shoulder i cant move sh*t, squat close stance frog feet with low bar is best for me, also good at front sq. Just try all options. Also look for strongmans they are are tall. If u tall and want big weights, you got to eat realy big trust me.
do longer limb athletes need to be heavier than their shorter limb counterparts to be just as successful?
What’s the optimal height for a 73 kg male lifter?
160
Something I would like to know, how should we change our start position etc with the longer limbs. I’m 5’11” with femurs the same length as my 6’4” brother 😂. I do have quite a wide squat stance. Is that ok?
It is completely ok, that you have wide squat stance, moreover it is advisible if you have long femurs or generally speaking legs. Need of using wide stance might be also determinated by your hip structure. And how should you change your starting position? It fully depends of the lift you execute, it is also pretty personal case.
I agree with Mr. Sebastian. Even with the same angles in the hips, someone with long legs will have a wider stance. I'm 5'10'/178cm & 82kgs and my legs aren't quite as long as Zack's, with short arms & torso & wide shoulders. My squat stance is pretty wide. My max C&J is around 100kg, but my limit is catching weight overhead. I haven't really pressed my clean, but I could probably work up to 140kg in a few months. If I can deadlift it, I can clean it -- I've already lifted the weight most of the way. I've found deep-hip'platform' deadlifting (where I grab the bar near my ankles), and one-handed dumbbell lifting to be useful supplemental exercise. The platform deadlifts make regular lifts feel shorter, and the one-handed dumbbell lifts are good for balance and cross-body support, which are more important with long legs. The platform & one-handed lifts also train technique and tire my muscles more with less weight, while putting less strain on my joints at crucial points. I also find working more technique training with lower percentage of my max, and training my weak points with supplemental exercises to be useful. For example, I generally program my squats for the weak point, which for me is about 65% of the way up. I mostly work with weights I can lift with control at this point. I'm also 50, so strength and endurance come fairly easily, while flexibility, smoothness and coordination take more work than when I was younger.
I appreciate your reply’s :)
@@jeffreyquinn3820 it's pretty interesting what you have said about one handed dumbell lifting as the accesory move. Are you doing single leg deadlift or you simply try to lift a dumbell from the ground above your head?
Im 185cm, short arms but long ass legs. Squat was always a huge weakness for me, but with a close feet stance i can squat more and feel more my quads, they grew a lot.
damn how do I get thighs like jaynce
Im 6’4 with a 6’8 wing span
Little over 5'9" with 6'1" wingspan and long legs. I feel power jerk with wide grip (see Li Dayin) is much more suited for me than split.
so are you saying short people are weaker?
I do have short limb. It works pretty good when you do olympic weight lifting but in the asthetic point of view ... nah...
so interesting.
I needed this! Brother! I'm 6'8 with long arms and a well proportion torso to leg ratio. Does my arm length make snatching more unstable over head?
no excuses
just improve
Im 5'7 but still interesting to know
Yup, I think we all clicked for Janyce....
I'm 5'10" but wingspan is 6'3"+ and I femurs are longer than my torso. I'm good at deadlift lol. Olympic lifts, I'm working on.
i am 6 1 and my femur and my shin are both way longer than my torso and it is frustrating when i just cant squat with good form
I am 6’1 with a 6’8 wingspan. Bodyweight and weight exercises got me searching for accessories for the main lift but it is worth it.
As a 6’5” weakling this help explains why high rep front squats make me want to die. Great video!
I had dreams of a 500lb front squat but my forearms are nearly vertical and have to carry too much of the load
@@chrisnewman8918 You can definitely do 500 I believe in you
@@chrism45 How many people have you seen front squatting 500 pounds in real life?
I'm pretty darn good at front squats, compared to back squats. High rep front squats explain why high rep front squats make you want to die.
Jeffrey Quinn true true, I kept pushing my ass out and trying to use too much posterior chain while back squatting though. This video helps explains it’s because I’m a freak o nature.
Long limbs checking in.
Realising more and more that powerlifting isn’t power at all there’s no strength it’s all technique and how much they can cheat with momentum as possible
God: How tall do wanna be Zack?
Zack: Yes.
how is this even a question? strongman are are typically tall as shit
Talk to Brian Shaw 6 ft 8 7 ft wing
Their heights are opposite, and so are their facial expressions.
Looking at Strongman, taller people have a skeletal structure that can hold more muscle, like Hafthor Bjornsson where Eddie Hall was 4 inches shorter and had to put on a lot more body fat to hold the same amount of muscle. Long arms make deadlifts easier, like Mark Felix and short arms make pressing easier like Robert Oberst. Or you could just do everything the best like Zydrunas Savickas...
I am 6'6" with a 6'10" wingspan. Nothing is well, everything is bad
You must have long bellies on the biceps. They will look good after you develop them I think.
@@eustacebagge3869 many people with long limbs have short muscle bellies.
@@Hallo81398 Oh.... good luck long people
i am 6'7 with almost 7' wingspan. What is the issue?