oh men, with the new tubes it sounds sparkly and feels like it has a chorus pedal in front, love the tone with both , that amp sounds straight up beautiful, i purchased a 5 watt of the same amp and cant believe how good the little thing sounds also, cheers.
These amps are much better for cleans. The headroom on them is pretty good for such a small amp. Your speaker and tube swap definitely helped the overdrive tho. I put Mesa 6v6 tubes in my music master bass amp and it made a hell of a difference compared to the JJs that were in it when I bought it.
I’d take a middle option,…definitely swap the speaker AND swap just the preamp tubes or even just the single preamp tube closest to the input jack (V1).
Hello Mekke, just out of curiousity my laney 12r had a drop in sound a few weeks ago Now i've too turn the volume at max to hear an overdrive sound (I can't hear any clean tonenow) I would say even at max volume it sound 1% to what it use to Do you think changing the tube will fix this?
Thanks for your video, very informative, I have just put a Jensen C10R speaker in my Laney Cub 10 and it makes a huge difference, so the tubes will be next !!! The clips that hold the tubes in do look a bit confusing to remove though !!
Ciao amico, I did not set the bias. Somebody on the comments said its possible but he never returned with a procedure. As far as I know is auto bias, so on this video I simply installed a set of matched tubes. So far, my answer is> CUB 10 is auto bias
@@mekkemusic The Cub 10 does not auto bias - it is a "fixed bias" system, which means it's adjustable. There is a Bias trim pot on the circuit board for this purpose, but Laney does not want amateurs under the hood (dangerous), so they don't tell you to do it, or how to do it. You measure voltage at a point on the circuit board, then use the pot to bring it into spec ("-.21v" - not sure if they mean a negative volt??). If you use a matched set of Ruby (original) output tubes to replace, you *shouldn't* need to rebias, but changing make or spec of tube means a re-bias is the best practice - otherwise, you be running the tubes too hot or too cold. A tech would likely charge $50 USD to rebias an amp, though it is a small job. The Cub 10 requires chassis removal, whereas others have an accessible bias port on the rear panel.
Very honestly, I didn’t really know how to do it on this one. I can bias my Marshall and my peavey but in here it felt too close to high voltage exposed parts
@@kajstoras3523 I did not fix the bias, as I don't think you can. Down in the comments someone seems to have figured it out but I have not tried myself. Some like me think it's a fixed bias, someone else dont. On this video I have not re biased the amp
Good stuff mate. I plan on getting one and swap the sprakers with a 12" Celestions. Do you think , with a little afjustment a 12" speaker will fit on it ?
Think the new tunes sound like it soud is all over and sou ds like a blown speaker. The HH speaker sounds smooth and precise . But to each there own. If it makes you happy. I heard it and played now with the swap. I would of passed.
I heard the Ramrod is very good, why the Ramrod instead of the Ragin Cajun ? Anyways I could finally tell the difference at 6:00 mark it really jumps out at you very nice, what kind of Tele is that ? Take care. david
Thanks David. I did not get the cajun coz at some point you have to make a choice and I went for the Ramrod, which seemed better to my ears :) take care brother
David trueslayor .... I forgot to reply to your question about the Tele... and since I am very proud of this guitar, that’s my Tele built after my personal specs by a luthier ... I made a video about it that describes everything you need to know about it .....here is the link ua-cam.com/video/9XL717WBgFo/v-deo.html
Method 1 :Remove the chassis, ensure either the speaker or a dummy load it attached. Find the junction of R13+R28. Tweak the bias pot until you get to -21V. Do not zap yourself!, that is considered bad form. Method 2 :Buy a bias probe and a pair of multimeters. Use the Weber or Rob Robinette online bias calculator. You'll need to measure B+ as well as the current as altering the current draw will alter the B+. Aim for 70% dissipation. You can't set the individual bias, so use the probe to see which valve has the highest draw and set that to 70%. Two bias probes and three meters is even easier. Set the bias with gain and volume on zero. It's the idle current you're setting. The schematic is freely available at Elektrotanya JJ 6V6S valves need the pot winding near full on. Ruby ( Shuguang ), about midway and Reflektor 6p6s just below that on mine.
@@VintageSG Thanks a lot for taking the time to comment! I have a Cub 10 as well, that i have swapped GT 6V6S in, which I love the sound of. I didn't adjust the bias at the time. The amp is considerably louder (I swapped the speaker for the wonderful Eminence GA10-SC64), however, the 6V6s developed rattling and I put the stock Ruby's back. Based on your comment, if i put the 6V6s's back and adjust the trim to max, I should be relatively closer to optimum bias setting?
Mine came biased rather cold from the factory with the stock Ruby valves. Initially, I set it up to the service manual specified -21V, which perked it up and gave a lovely growl, louder too with more presence. Moving to the JJ 6V6S valves, I worked out 70% dissipation and used some bias probes obtained from Ebay. As the JJ are 14W dissipation valves compared to 12W for a 6V6GT, this needed the bias pot tweaking to near full. A check of the voltage gave -22V, close enough.The amp comes alive when it is setup correctly. Try it, and run it through an external 2x10" or 1x12" cab for the full glory. I like mine set to around half gain and three quarter volume, tone up full. Lovely power valve compression and grind.
I heard the whole audiotest, crunch tones benefits a lot of the new tube set. With the stock tubes, your crunch tone was dull, lifeless, with new tubes the tone has improved, has more presence, is more articulate, maybe a little more brilliant (more high frequencies). Instead clean tones are more or less the same. I didn't hear a dramatic difference between the stock set and the new set.
Stock tubes better - they have more aligned tones. The new ones have a hole between low and high tones - there is a lack of energetic tones of the middle
Hello I'm the 58 suscribe member muy friend. I've got my New Laney Cub 10, I appreciate your welth information and keep your stepts behind for a New video greetings from México
Ok buddy, but I have the same amp and I would not change a thing. It's fantastic the way it is. The only pedals I use are a reverb pedal and a tube screamer. The stock speaker and tubes are great. You're fooling yourself in thinking your mods make it sound better.
Antoni Mixco if you like it the way it is it's all good Buddy. Believe me, I would have fooled myself pretending I liked the way it sounded. Ciao and thanks for watching my video
@@mekkemusic I have just bought the 12r and right now I will.keep it as is. But given almost all UA-cam videos even with decent headphones don't do the amp justice it might be you hear great difference and listener won't be able to? For sure the feel of the valve amp is so amazing compared with my solid state amps - whether that translates to the listener ... Well I don't care cos I feel it :-) thanks for sharing your tips and tricks
For once though I can hear a difference - deeper tone. And the poster makes great point about replacing speaker as better investment. I got the 12r which has a decent speaker in it. But I also bought some Cliff jacks - the ones that pass thru when nothing is plugged in and pass input to right connector otherwise - so now I can use my solid state combo amp as a cabinet. And for sure that makes a difference :-). Do I prefer my old Celestion to the HH speaker? Well I now have options -- going to do the same with my Orange B35 ... Wonder what Laney sounds like thru bass speaker :-)
oh men, with the new tubes it sounds sparkly and feels like it has a chorus pedal in front, love the tone with both , that amp sounds straight up beautiful, i purchased a 5 watt of the same amp and cant believe how good the little thing sounds also, cheers.
Fantastic new tubes very nice crunchy, but the new speaker makes the difference sounds great
These amps are much better for cleans. The headroom on them is pretty good for such a small amp. Your speaker and tube swap definitely helped the overdrive tho. I put Mesa 6v6 tubes in my music master bass amp and it made a hell of a difference compared to the JJs that were in it when I bought it.
I’d take a middle option,…definitely swap the speaker AND swap just the preamp tubes or even just the single preamp tube closest to the input jack (V1).
Sounds great! Warm and bright..
WWoowW man sound's great many thanks for your knowledge
1000 views! Small joys for little channels
Hello Mekke, just out of curiousity my laney 12r had a drop in sound a few weeks ago
Now i've too turn the volume at max to hear an overdrive sound (I can't hear any clean tonenow)
I would say even at max volume it sound 1% to what it use to
Do you think changing the tube will fix this?
Aniki82 no, I do not think so my man. Take it to the doctor ... it will be cheaper than replacing the tubes
Thanks for your video, very informative, I have just put a Jensen C10R speaker in my Laney Cub 10 and it makes a huge difference, so the tubes will be next !!! The clips that hold the tubes in do look a bit confusing to remove though !!
not except as bigger change from the tubes
Great review 👍🏻
Ciao amico, i have a cub8 and i want to swap tubes too, do we need to bias? if so how?
Ciao amico, I did not set the bias. Somebody on the comments said its possible but he never returned with a procedure. As far as I know is auto bias, so on this video I simply installed a set of matched tubes. So far, my answer is> CUB 10 is auto bias
@@mekkemusic The Cub 10 does not auto bias - it is a "fixed bias" system, which means it's adjustable. There is a Bias trim pot on the circuit board for this purpose, but Laney does not want amateurs under the hood (dangerous), so they don't tell you to do it, or how to do it. You measure voltage at a point on the circuit board, then use the pot to bring it into spec ("-.21v" - not sure if they mean a negative volt??). If you use a matched set of Ruby (original) output tubes to replace, you *shouldn't* need to rebias, but changing make or spec of tube means a re-bias is the best practice - otherwise, you be running the tubes too hot or too cold. A tech would likely charge $50 USD to rebias an amp, though it is a small job. The Cub 10 requires chassis removal, whereas others have an accessible bias port on the rear panel.
@@upload2352 this I great man. Thanks
new tubes r warmer and full
Is It loud for gigging with band?
Don need to bias the amp for changing valves?
Sounds exactly the same ? I reckon there was plenty life left in the original tubes
no it doesn't?
so its that easy to change tubes? looks easy
the baias adjustment
?
Juan luis Anaya carballo ... read in the comments... someone explained how to do it
I liked stock tubes more
Nice vid dude, but wouldn't you have to bias the amp?
Very honestly, I didn’t really know how to do it on this one. I can bias my Marshall and my peavey but in here it felt too close to high voltage exposed parts
Isn’t this a class a/b amp?
Yes it is. My bad on the video
Should you also check the bias on the power tubes or is the bias fixed?
@@kajstoras3523 I did not fix the bias, as I don't think you can. Down in the comments someone seems to have figured it out but I have not tried myself. Some like me think it's a fixed bias, someone else dont. On this video I have not re biased the amp
Good stuff mate. I plan on getting one and swap the sprakers with a 12" Celestions. Do you think , with a little afjustment a 12" speaker will fit on it ?
The stock speaker is exactly like a celestion G 12-65 Heritage actually.
Think the new tunes sound like it soud is all over and sou ds like a blown speaker. The HH speaker sounds smooth and precise . But to each there own. If it makes you happy. I heard it and played now with the swap. I would of passed.
what s better for this amp Ramrod vs ragin cajun ?
NABIL HAMZA sorry mate... have not tried ragin Cajun
I heard the Ramrod is very good, why the Ramrod instead of the Ragin Cajun ? Anyways I could finally tell the difference at 6:00 mark it really jumps out at you very nice, what kind of Tele is that ? Take care. david
Thanks David. I did not get the cajun coz at some point you have to make a choice and I went for the Ramrod, which seemed better to my ears :) take care brother
David trueslayor .... I forgot to reply to your question about the Tele... and since I am very proud of this guitar, that’s my Tele built after my personal specs by a luthier ... I made a video about it that describes everything you need to know about it .....here is the link
ua-cam.com/video/9XL717WBgFo/v-deo.html
Do you adjust the bios when you change the tubes?
dont think u can on this one....so, no i did not adjust the bias
Yes, you can adjust the bias!
Thanks man, always good to learn new things. I don't know how but I will figure it out! Thanks buddy!
hi, this beautiful amp have a auto bias?
Reeltoreel J ...I don't think so brother. If anyone knows how to do it, post a comment! Peace
It is a fixed bias.
Method 1 :Remove the chassis, ensure either the speaker or a dummy load it attached. Find the junction of R13+R28. Tweak the bias pot until you get to -21V. Do not zap yourself!, that is considered bad form.
Method 2 :Buy a bias probe and a pair of multimeters. Use the Weber or Rob Robinette online bias calculator. You'll need to measure B+ as well as the current as altering the current draw will alter the B+. Aim for 70% dissipation. You can't set the individual bias, so use the probe to see which valve has the highest draw and set that to 70%. Two bias probes and three meters is even easier.
Set the bias with gain and volume on zero. It's the idle current you're setting.
The schematic is freely available at Elektrotanya
JJ 6V6S valves need the pot winding near full on. Ruby ( Shuguang ), about midway and Reflektor 6p6s just below that on mine.
@@VintageSG Thanks a lot for taking the time to comment! I have a Cub 10 as well, that i have swapped GT 6V6S in, which I love the sound of. I didn't adjust the bias at the time. The amp is considerably louder (I swapped the speaker for the wonderful Eminence GA10-SC64), however, the 6V6s developed rattling and I put the stock Ruby's back. Based on your comment, if i put the 6V6s's back and adjust the trim to max, I should be relatively closer to optimum bias setting?
Mine came biased rather cold from the factory with the stock Ruby valves. Initially, I set it up to the service manual specified -21V, which perked it up and gave a lovely growl, louder too with more presence. Moving to the JJ 6V6S valves, I worked out 70% dissipation and used some bias probes obtained from Ebay. As the JJ are 14W dissipation valves compared to 12W for a 6V6GT, this needed the bias pot tweaking to near full. A check of the voltage gave -22V, close enough.The amp comes alive when it is setup correctly. Try it, and run it through an external 2x10" or 1x12" cab for the full glory. I like mine set to around half gain and three quarter volume, tone up full. Lovely power valve compression and grind.
I heard the whole audiotest, crunch tones benefits a lot of the new tube set. With the stock tubes, your crunch tone was dull, lifeless, with new tubes the tone has improved, has more presence, is more articulate, maybe a little more brilliant (more high frequencies). Instead clean tones are more or less the same. I didn't hear a dramatic difference between the stock set and the new set.
loziodavid I tend to agree... speaker replacement-way to go!
mekkemusic what speaker do you suggest for Laney Cub? I have the 12" version, Cub 12R
loziodavid I don't know the 12R as an amp... I replaced mine with an Eminence Ramrod ... sounds spectacular to me
@@mekkemusic Which speaker replacement would you recommend for the Cub 8?
Stock tubes for me
Stock tubes better - they have more aligned tones. The new ones have a hole between low and high tones - there is a lack of energetic tones of the middle
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@Kamari Terrell Definitely, I have been watching on flixzone for since november myself :D
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Hello I'm the 58 suscribe member muy friend. I've got my New Laney Cub 10, I appreciate your welth information and keep your stepts behind for a New video greetings from México
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stock tubes sound better ...
thanks you just sold me a blackstar..
Ok buddy, but I have the same amp and I would not change a thing. It's fantastic the way it is. The only pedals I use are a reverb pedal and a tube screamer. The stock speaker and tubes are great. You're fooling yourself in thinking your mods make it sound better.
Antoni Mixco if you like it the way it is it's all good Buddy. Believe me, I would have fooled myself pretending I liked the way it sounded. Ciao and thanks for watching my video
mekkemusic rock on brother!
With tone being "subjective" its beauty is found in the ears of the listener. No one need be a fool :)
@@mekkemusic I have just bought the 12r and right now I will.keep it as is. But given almost all UA-cam videos even with decent headphones don't do the amp justice it might be you hear great difference and listener won't be able to? For sure the feel of the valve amp is so amazing compared with my solid state amps - whether that translates to the listener ...
Well I don't care cos I feel it :-) thanks for sharing your tips and tricks
For once though I can hear a difference - deeper tone. And the poster makes great point about replacing speaker as better investment. I got the 12r which has a decent speaker in it. But I also bought some Cliff jacks - the ones that pass thru when nothing is plugged in and pass input to right connector otherwise - so now I can use my solid state combo amp as a cabinet. And for sure that makes a difference :-). Do I prefer my old Celestion to the HH speaker? Well I now have options -- going to do the same with my Orange B35 ... Wonder what Laney sounds like thru bass speaker :-)
Could honestly not hear a difference