How To Spot A Fake Gramophone His Masters Voice การดู เครื่องเล่นแผ่นคลั่ง โบราณ เบื้องต้น
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- Опубліковано 7 бер 2021
- I am new in gramophone and phonograph and I loved them very much.
There are a lot to learn.
hope this help ,and hope you have some idea for the beginning ,let's learn together.
This should be required viewing for any newbie collector.
Thankfully, in my years of collecting, I have never fallen for a crapophone.
Yes sir. All new collector should know:)
I did once, but luckily havent bought it
Thanks for the video. I have that exact same fake one! Although it was only bought as a decorative piece and not as a functional player
Yes, the fake one ,it is perfect for decoration and I loved it too. Thank you Bitzbox.
Those are probably made for looks and not to be a functional machine,because if I saw or would find one that would be what I might be interested in. The fact that you could possibly be damaging records playing them on these "fake" machines
@Bob does not matter, you will damage the record on any!! steel needle cranker. Thats for sure!
They don’t even have to fake the old dirt and scratched finish, it’s a side effect of the assembly process! Thank you for showing it to the world.
Greatest step by step explanation.
thank you for showing the difference. the interest for these record player is certainly increased. Unfortunately there is not many Shellac records left. The one you play is an "electric processed" record. which means it has a reduction of base and increase of trebble. that need to be reversed at the playback, for which you need electric amplifier. Early shellac records are full frequency and therefor sound better but are hard to find. they were made until the beginning-mid 20' around that time labels had script "electrical process" or "electrically recorded" to tell the user to play it with electric equipment. When that became obviouse and handcrankers were replaced and put in attics it was not neccessary to tell people that anymore but that knoledge is long gone and we se people playing these records on handcrankers. Unfortunately they dont make these records anymore so pleas consider getting electric equipment to play them and try to find real Shellac records for your handcranker. Real shellac records are made of a different compound, wear less and has a grounding compound to shape the needle to fit perfectly in the grove and should therefor never be played on an electric equipment unless it has an electric tonehead with replaceble steel needle. according to a standard from 1950 a record should last at least 2000 playings, if played with a lightweigt electric cartridge. How many times on a steel needle cranker? 1-50? depending on the condition of the needle and then of to Ebay with it... please, lets save those records that are left. Stop the steel needle cranking madness and save a record. They have been saved for 70-90 years only to be destroyed in this new trend. New trends will come but those destroyed records are gone.
Thank you for amazing information.❤️
Helpful video!
Thank you, very useful and comprehensive.
Thank you sir.
Great review! Keep up the amazing work and contributing to the hobby 🙌
Thank you 😁
This is brilliant. Thank you for your channel.
Thank you too❤️
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Thank you Juanca.
Very useful content. Can u pls tell me which one is the rarest and most valuable, Made in Germany, England or Swiss.
Thanks
Great job on the video, although a couple things you missed. Before I begin I hope you're making sure to grease and oil the motor on your original gramophone, I say this since in the video the motor looked really clean and dry.
There were some gramophones that had crank handles that had the wood grip (supposed to be wood, not plastic) but they were three parts. Two pieces of steel rod with a piece of sheet steel holding them together.
The overall fit and finish is where you can spot a modern reproduction compared to an original (I'm not saying fake because even though they're pretty crude and barely functional they do work). Almost all of them use the same motors (not sure of any with different motors) but that doesn't always mean it's immediately a fake, they're doing semi crude copies of original designs.
Most all of the reproduction gramophones are exterior horn machines, from what I have seen for the most part none of them are interior horn setups. Lastly the reproducer there is a modern one, but it's based on a budget metal diaphragm reproducer from the 30's.
Sorry for the wall of text, but hopefully this helps someone.
Thank you, I’m sure this will help many people.
And I agree with you that not matter original or reproduction, they are all pretty in they ways.
I do loved my reproduction one its great but I was heart broken that it was not original after I got it.
I should had use the reproduction word that the fake one.
Thank you for your kindness.
Very nice video you give a lot of good information for what to look for. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you very much.
Very educational, thank you!
Thank you 👍🏻
thanx for sharing
I’ve noticed a lot of online ads for these fakes display the gramophone in a very “staged” setup. It looks more like a photo shoot than a genuine antique ad. Most real sellers will display their machines on solid color backdrops as to clearly show the buyer all the close up details.
Junior exhibition sound box aren't too often to see.! Absolutly all outside horn models from HMV, Victor, Deutche Gramophone has vertical mounted springs - well, allmost. Except for the "trade mark" models. They was at the marked between 1898-1903...
Thank you for more details❤️
Nice video an comparisson. Do you think is there a way to
Improve the sound of the fake ones? Maybe adjusting the fit of the different parts?
That could be a lot better sound if it all fit with the right speed.
@@gabideeiwhy Did you tried to do this? I mean to fix the tonearm to the cone. I am thinking of buy a fake one, because an old one is too expensive. How many dB produces the fake one? Thanks for your support.
And another question. Which is the manufacturing year of the fake ones?
Original is the Beautiful one
Can you pls tell me where to buy the genuine one? I found lots of fake ones everywhere 😂
Very hlepful ❤
Thank you. 🥰
That's such a shame, I found my one is fake and I just bought it. . . everytime I try to play it makes a loud clicking noise.
The fake one stills plays.
Oh noooo, I was so happy to find a little treasure 😅 mine is even prettier, with glass and... I still love it. 😢
Pease, keep loving it. No matter what. You just need to know the true that’s all.
Many of reproductions one are pretty and I still loved my repros too. 😃
Okey, i got a fake one.
I was already having my doubts but i got an real suitcase model.
Did i good spending 20 euro's on the "fake" thing?
And how old are these fake's?
Good video, thanks!!
Well, the fake gramophone were made since a very long times ago and still marking nowadays in many countries.
the thing is, either you have the fake one or the real one and how much you spent on them is not matter as long as you like them.
to me there are all worthy to have, they are made for a different purposes as I do loved my fake one too for my decorations. So enjoy your lovely gramophones 🥰
@@gabideeiwhy thank you for the information, and it's indeed a great thing to look at.
Is it possible to get a high quality replica? I want to by my girlfriend a gramophone for her birthday but I can't afford an antique.
It is possible but hard to find a good quality one.I recommend just get a replica one your girlfriend will be love it for the decoration.
But for really quality of sound , I recommend a gramophone table top or an old portable would be affordable.
Real ones are cheaper than most of the fakes. A nice portable from the 1920s can be had from auctions very cheaply. I have never spent more than £85 (GBP) on a gramophone (and that was for a genuine antique with external horn), and most of them cost no more than £20.
Great recommend.
Can you share a video of your real gramophone?
Sure. Cindy. Thank you.
How much price of orginal?
The price of them depends on the condition, if it's in good condition then 200 - 300$ should be Fine, however even when they're in bad condition they sometimes reach horrible prices, so you gotta be carefull, Just avoid replicas.
@@theantiquescollector2199 Price depends upon a number of variables, including rarity, desirability, and condition.
For instance, you're not going to get a 'Trademark' Berliner in good condition for $200-$300; whereas an 'off-brand' cabinet machine in average condition would be too expensive at that price. Some machines are 'rare' but not particularly desirable...
2:40 not good attached to the housing
Sound like kitten crying😂😂😂
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