This Italy is on life support...
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This Italy game has gone terribly wrong. So very, very wrong.
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You can puppet spain and Putugal if you go down the Romen Empire Path and you can invite some South American Lands. Just do say it.
YEs!
As a player of WwA from its beta days. I will say this; stay away from it. It is basically p2w coh clone. It WAS good though back then but nowadays the devs heavily monetize the heck out of the game.
Upgrading units at lower level doesn't eat much resources but the amount of resources needed ti upgrade units will skyrocket insanely. Yes, you are forced to only focus on one nation only. This is still somewhat understandable to an extent.
The devs keep releasing legendary units that is almost difficult to get and only available on special limited time banners. It costs contracts which you can buy from "special" deals which either costs Gold tokens (another special currenty) at an overpriced price OR get them from events that is outright cashgrab or for whales only.
That's not all, they also gives general separate levels too. When a general reach lv 10, they give massive buffs to your armies. The problem with that is in order to get general cards upgrades, you have to spend on general special banners again and yes, it costs contracts again. To upgrade them to lv 10 costs shit ton of cards.
We are not done yet though, they also recently released "mastery" bs which is special upgrades you can only get from special banners as far as I know (I already quit at this point). This mastery gives you an edge against non mastery units. From what I hear from veterans, mastery massively changes how the gane plays. Suddenly a basic rifleman can outrange a defensive bunkers, soviet flame tank suddenly become faster than speed of light.
Tldr; at the time of this writing, the game is a garbage p2w CoH2 clone with gacha that only cares for whales.
If you intend to play and don't be a whale, then stick around low lv league and avoid upgrading your troops since matchmaking depends on your average unit lvl and trophy. And then pray the matchmaking didn't get broken and decided to match you with an opponent with overlevelled units. It happens from time to time.
If you plan on being a whale who want to spend without care of real life, you just find a perfect game to throw your money away.
I loved the game but the devs ruined it themselves
Why
I'm thinking about getting hoi4 in the future and seeing if your guides will work (I know they'll work even for a dummy like me) but if everything goes wrong could you please save It?
I want to believe that the guy who sent you this save, tried to make historically accurate templates for Italy.
What he was likely building for was the mountain combat width.
then there would be only 2 infantry regiments per division
the Tank templates are almost what Italy starts with. whoever sent this in only changed the 4 cavalry for 4 mot. infantry. it is terrible to start with
Me too
Wouldn't even be accurate, Italy's infantry were on par with other nations of the war, the motorised and armoured however are probably close to it, given yknow, they had to deal with the whole extremely mountainous terrain of Italy
When this series started, I remember seeing those who sent in the save-files in the comments, learning from their mistakes. Nowadays, it’s been a long while since I’ve seen one, and I’m starting to wonder if those people are worried about being made fun of, or they’re literally trying to make a terrible game just so Bittersteel can make a video on it.
some people do make intentional disaster saves for him to do such as in "This USSR Disaster needs me to DEFEND MOSCOW!" (because the German AI never does Sealion), the last disaster save was 2 weeks ago, but I think he's doing less of them because he's trying new things like A to Z, challenges like the Stalingrad mod and normal mod playthroughs.
Plus he has a job and family outside since UA-cam is his hobby (I think) so he doesn't have a lot of time
@@saltvault8943I think he has just gone full time.
I wanna play some disaster saves but Im too good at this game to make my own. Theres a reddit for hoi4 saves but its very dead.
There are only so many times you can learn the same things at a certain point most of those people understand better
@@saltvault8943 about the sealion thing one time i was playing as the USSR and germany atcually sealioned UK
Bittersteel assumes anyone who sends him a save actually knows how to play this game! :D
No one really knows how to play HOI4. They just find these weird rituals that work until they don't.
Can confirm, I still don't understand division width, soft attack, hard attack, or what support divisions even do. I just do the same templates with arty, anti-air, and anti-tank and some other random supports that look like they'd be cool.
@@omogHLanti-tank is literally useless in single player. Until maybe late game when the ai actually produces a lot of armor
@@seanm241Though, usually late game you'll have so much armour and CAS that you can just shred enemy armoud anyways. Imo the only use of AT in singleplayer is for CAS
I would disagree on 25 width being an abysmal template. Italy is a nation that is not only very mountainous, but has a lot of mountainous enemies, and for mountains, 25 width is a very good template. Seems fine to me.
30 is far superior
General rule of thumb after NSB is 15-18-21-25-41/42/42/43/44/45 are all good, I don’t think 30 width is good anymore after NSB, but it would work against AI regardless.
Although divisions over 40 are costly.
@@sauron1414 30 is a perfect fit for mountains
@@Bitt3rSteel i was more or so referring generally, my bad bitter.
Hi bitter I am from Italy (funny) and I usually don't comment under any video ever in general but this time I have to say that your videos at the end of the week (especially disaster saves) are truly a blessing!!!
Thanks, man!
@@vikenock many things
Ciao compagno italiano
That is funny💚🤍❤️
Mandi!
Honestly I could see my self purposefully losing Southern Italy to trigger the allied puppet event just to get that darker green color. It looks so much better than normal Italy.
You get puppeted by Germany though
@@cptcatf1sh I'm pretty sure that's only if you're in a faction with them.
I'm pretty sure that this game was at least not an AI game cus or else the theatre name wouldn't be the default "Italian Theatre 1"
Well the player could’ve just changed the name along with a bunch of other stuff before he sent it in
In my hoi4 games i do a lot of puppeting, it gives you an idea of what divisoins the ai makes, the templates in this video are not templates the ai makes
@@gintozlato1880 Yeah the ai just spams templates
@@WhiteVanMan17it decommissions a lot of templates too
can confirm, i sent in this disaster. juts came acorss it today :) im thankful that he chose mine and i learned sooo much from it.
Honestly I think this guy is newer to the game and was focusing on Barbarossa and forgot to protect his ports and by the time his divisions got back to Italy from the Soviet Union his country ended up close to this.
Nm. Zfmnnn
1 minute ago, the world was a worse place because this video didn't exist yet
Edit: Soon 1 hour!
Agreed
It did it just wasnt uploaded to youtube
@@GAMER123GAMINGyou must be fun at party's
AI Germany going ham makes me think Steiner sitting in his HQ and thinking; "We have the Waffle man on our side.. We are NOT fucking this up!"
bro did such a bad job as Italy bitter thought he was faking it 💀
so historical italy?
He was doing historical Italy wdym?
@@SlayridThe joke is that historical Italy did a bad job
Bitt3rSteel doing everything to save Maasi and Random Underling is probably the most wholesome thing I've seen in a while.
I really want to see you struggle through the "World Ablaze" mod! Yes it is slow and the AI cheats like crazy, but it is a really fun challenge.
You know it’s a good day if bitt3rsteel uploads
Wdym "disaster save", this is Italy every game!
you expect better from a human player!
Yeah, it’s always a disaster
What's more cursed:
- Competent Italy
OR
- Naval Invasion with Mountaniers
21:07 Maybe they have supply issues, because Spain joined and you took control of Gibraltar? They might have blocked the access for the allies there.
German AI that doesn't collapse on its own is a dream
One of my favorite ways to find the Navy is just use Spy's. Knowing where the AI is operating helps a ton.That and your CL Spotter trick can really make Naval battles much easier.
31:25 i honestly thought it was over! Nice save! I saw your excitement XD!
Thank god for Bittersteel, the only HOI4 creator with an ASOIAF username, and no British accent.
if you see this, at 26:50 you can just build ports on the coastal tiles to get supply back instead of doing naval stuff
I think Grand Battleplan was the right way to go here, since there are some good defensive bonuses in there and you get insane planning bonuses.
As I've been doing the Italian achievements recently this video both hits close to home when I first played Italy and pains me after I've learned how to play Italy
Now THAT is a historical Italy
Love yideos man, been playing for about a year. But in the last 4 or so mounths ive learned a lot from your videos and dister saves especially.
You're awesome man! Thanks For all your hard work and dedication 🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤
More disaster saves please. They are very interesting and educational, overall more enjoyable compared to the achivement videos, but feel free to vary it up now and then.
I almost wonder if the player here originally had the grand battleplan expert, then attempted to switch to mobile warfare. That would explain why the mobile warfare expert was set, as well as why their tank template was so bad (they would have seen the left side bonuses of mobile warfare and assumed more motorized was the solution)
,, A naval invesion is the best way to take out eny type of italy"
Rome has entered the chat
The Romans were notoriously terrible at naval warfare especially eastern Rome
I always get a good laugh when i see something that i would absolutely do and you say its dumb lmao
Your pronunciation of Italian cities and regions is so satisfying to hear for an italian.
Would love to see an actual 1945 endseig game from you since you are the god of disaster saves
I hope to warm up with December 1944 when the mod is fixed. After that.... Maybe
@@Bitt3rSteelat this point it honestly feels more like "if" than when which is a really big shame
The medal ceremony commentary was the best
With how BitterSteel is doing in Hoi4, there are some moments where he might deserve a Sabaton song. Either about his achievements or just about him, lol.
The fact that Italy is still alive makes me suprised
1:56 "path to victory"
I'm sorry, that just woke me up for an entirely unrelated reason
Imagine submitting a genuine game so bad, it is under the suspicion of being a setup...
A good idea might have been to add maintanace compaines when you were killing the naval invasion, for that equipmet capture ratio...maybe.
Best spotting ship against AI is definitely the cruiser submarine hull with spotter planes and radar, I've tested it numerous times, it is worth getting a licence from japan/germany/france/USA (and some other, I forgot) to spot AI navies and basically be invisible. Cruisers get picked up easily and sunk, even when they are fast and set to do not engage.
Cruiser subs are also super cheap to make comparatively.
Edit - just don't park those subs in shallow waters and you're gucci
You can just build a port once your supply runs out. Works especially well in North Africa as the frontlines are near the coast.
Love your Channel keep it up
imagine having a disaster so bad dat bitt3rsteel basically calls u a bot 💀
28:40
in supply deadzones its a good thing to instead of encircling from one side, do a pincer maneuver, doubly so if you're using tanks. tanks without fuel move at 1km/h(infantry moves at 4km/h) so attacking from 2 points mean you're moving without fuel for a lot less distance
when I only have very few(1-4) tank divisions I like to do one pincer then once I can't push anymore I pull the tanks back and attack from the other side
it's the one advantage of doing offensive infantry divisions with lots of artillery+support companies, your speed isnt affected by lack of fuel
Hitler in this Timeline: What the hell, Italy?! Did your balls just drop in the last five seconds or what?! Where was this in the last few years?!
When you see bitt3rsteel in your reddit comment asking for the save file and then in his video he starts to roast your build.
(No hate love your videos
16:54 did this man really just pass up on getting adaptable? THE BEST TRAIT A GENERAL CAN POSSIBLY UNLOCK!
Peak Italy moment
Hey bitter
I think you should try out the black ice mod, I'd recommend Germany
Keep up the great content 💪
italy was always on life support. always.
31:20 when the Sabaton kicks in.
HOLD YOUR GROUND!
i watch alot of hoi4 youtubers but you are the ones content that i enjoy the most
Why do I smile when I see you uploaded a video?
Plot twist: the player was actually Germany, Italy was an AI.
Those infantry templates are actually not that bad they are 25 combat width which is perfect for mountains only complaint is they should have 3 artillery instead of just one.
Artillery gets pretty costly if you use it all over the line like that
@@Bitt3rSteel Not really. If you have that much artillery you're going to be absolutely demolishing enemy divisions that have no armor (so any infantry division you face). If you are doing that much damage to enemy divisions they never have the chance to do much damage in return. The issue is more that you didn't have control of Italy from the outset so you couldn't prioritize artillery production to that degree. That much soft attack will leave enemy infantry divisions with extremely low strength. I know this because it's one of the main ways to out attrition the Soviet Union by destroying their equipment faster than they can build it as a smaller nation. Just sit on mountain/river line, let the AI attack, and have reserve divisions that you can throw in after you bait the attack. It's easy money.
@@Gustav_Kurigajust make all divisions 9inf 3arty with support companies
@@xeon39688 Eh, I prefer 21 width divisions, then 31, then 41 (if possible). The minor malus to going slightly over combat width is vastly outweighed by the increased capability you can add to a division. So I'll usually build something like a 7inf/2art/1AA if I don't have tungsten or a 7inf/2art/1AT with aa support if I have the tungsten necessary for that production.
Once you get later into the game where you can support higher width divisions both industrially and from a supply standpoint, I'll upgrade it to 31 width or 41 width.
can we get a full video (mean of the hole gameplay, not cut) of a saves games, i woud love to what you do
That's an absurd amount of footage tbh
so great when i play as i wacht, was only an ide...
ps. love what you do, hoi4 is one of my top 5 games
@@Bitt3rSteel
How effective are Supply Planes for supply dead zones? I've been wanting to experiment with them, but I keep forgetting to build them in every run.
Breaking through Left-Russia as Austria-Hungary was a pain in the run to Baku, then I had to run all the way to China to deal with both Nationalist and a large Communist China, lost so much equipment.
Italy is on life support (owns 70% of Italy's industry)
bittersteel just a quick question what CPU do you use? ive been running hoi 4 at 20 fps 5 speed with a 7 2700X and was wondering if im doing something wrong or is my cpu just bad
For the North Africa section is it a bad idea to put ports in for supply hubs? I know you then have to defend them but it's something I do just to get some supply building a level 2ish port so I can have supply? I'm fairly new to the game so I don't know if there's some other issue with it.
"I will only take the (Soviet) ships."
This is like poetry. After WWII, the Soviets only took Italy's ships too.
The infantry would be 25w because 25w fits perfectly into mountains 3 times.
Also not taking adaptable is such a huge mistake.
Hey @Bitt3rSteel i sent you this disaster save. im noob obviously so im not too quick on reflexes( because even on slower speeds i tend to get a little lost, but getting better). my biggest mistakes were not paying attention to political events in Ethiopia until 1939 which obviously in turn got my armies obliterated in africa. i did have my units on defense but forgot to click port guard when trying to invade Greece on obviously got wrecked in Italy so all my units are just chilling there on the border in desperation. i promise you that this was NOT a set up by any means at all, that i just happen to be a noob like Mussolini and im super excited you chose my disaster to post on UA-cam so i can learn from my mistakes and for you to basically, call my a dumbdumb, and learn from the best.
Things that I've taken note from this video:
- was not far off with construction ideas
-how to template. this always has confused me but now i got a better idea of it
-i thought i was building advanced tanks.. rip
-SUB SUB SUBS
-superior fire only
-naval invasions are a go too.
-destroyers
-spotter cruiser
-dont give up on air production
-pay attention to political advisors lmao...
-frontlines are actually bad until you know you are confident of breakthough, just micro
-mil factory/dockyard production over civilian construction.
-dont give up
Thanks a lot, will def give hoi4 another shot!
Do I need any other dlc other than no step back for op Poland?
I should send in my PRC save i got going for me, managed to get the northern warlords and am almost at the yellow river against japan
7:32 was that a Sabaton reference? "They are going to be bombed To hell and back"?!
I LOVE ITALY and grew up there.
the sponsor game is basiclly company of Heroes in another Form and i played it like a 1 year ago already.
maybe you should create another series called disaster setups. it's not as entertaining when you know this isn't a real disaster that someone got themselves into.
As a new HOI player, I also learned the hard way when playing Italy. GUARD YOUR PORTS! I'm still trying to figure out how to deal with the Royal Navy though, that doomstack that they send in there is brutal
If you want to fight the Royal Navy:
1) Get dockyards early.
2) Use mines and only fine in mined areas.
3) Wait until France caps so you don't fight the whole French Navy as well.
4) Fight in regions where you have air superiority.
5) Rush the 1939 targeting tech and refit your cruisers and battleships with those.
6) Observe your battles and run away if needed
5)
*reads italian words with beautiful pronunciation* "I dont know how to pronounce that"
20:15
Destroyer failed at its only job
Im a channel member and dont have the discord link.
also, do you do disaster saves from mods? I only play Kaiserredux at this point
It's tied to specific email addresses, I'd recommend checking the FAQ online. I can't assign it manually, it's all automated through Discord and UA-cam
@@Bitt3rSteel ah thanks!
Imagine being a die-hard fascist Italian and you get word that your field marshal is a member of the Ethiopian royal family.
i love your vids one of my favorite youtubers fr :)
Yeah that sounds like modern Italian history summed up.
I can already tell this will be a w
Well done
31:40 I have to admit, for a godless “belgian” that was pretty non-bad
Sadly, that pocket if 70 divisions were your brothers
I wish I had disasters to send but I can't in good faith do that
every time I play I either succeed or fail so early on that its not worth saving
I genuinely don't know how people can get themselves in situations like this
I wash myself with a rag on a stick
It is very like Mussolini to try to expand the Roman Air Academies when he has no air force... and no Rome.
You seem to forget that you can build ports in ares with law supply and they will provide great help
And I'd then have to guard those ports....
@@Bitt3rSteel just to be clear, I was referring to you having problems in north Africa when you said that there was too much of a distance between supply hubs. By that time you had naval supremacy in the area, if I remember correctly. But even if you didn't, I don't think AI would be fast enough to capitalise on you having built the port(s). I'm not even sure if they acknowledge that there is a new port created so they could potentially naval invade it.
Though the video is great, love to see those disasters saves 👍
7:00 I'm pretty sure those are the default division, I don't think it's a setup.
I started playing this year, with the 6 month sub on the DLC. Have over 250h in, and starting to grasp the basics. Happily going lucky mostly.
I haz question for the all might Emperor The Bitter Belgian and/or most likely his legion.
What's are the pro's and cons to going through a civil war opposed to having a referendum?
Pro CW: it's fast, if you win
Con CW: it can be a mess if you don't set it up right and end up wasting a ton of time
@@Bitt3rSteel It's really that simple? Alright, thanks a bunch!!
@@KevinHwoarang depending on the country, you might lose some generals and/or advisors as well
@@Bitt3rSteel You get those in the decisions right? Like with Bulgaria you get those Tsar loyalists?
@@KevinHwoarang it's not always clear, but as an example as Finland you lose Mannerheim if you do a civil war
Nice, a disaster save :)
Next disaster save: US got naval invaded by the axis
Lore of This Italy is on life support... Momentum 100
I wish there were bookmarks in the game that let you play Vichy France or one of the Italian puppet countries without having to deliberately lose. They're not the funnest countries to play, but it's still unique content that's not easily accessible.
That used to be a thing in earlier Paradox games but the issue with it is that they're really hard to keep up to date as they'd need to be manually adjusted for patches and DLCs which is a lot of extra work. So what you'd end up with is just that most bookmarks would just not be worked on and behave as if they're several versions behind the main bookmarks.
@@zombieguyproducion I'm a Paradox oldfriend so I'm well aware of that, but HOI4 seems very well suited to a small handful of bookmarks. 36, 39, 41, and maybe 44 for all the Gotterdammerung CBT enjoyers.
@@KAPTAINmORGANnWo4eva At the same time, everytime there is a new FT that means they have to manually fill in each country to have done specific focuses up to that date, also stuff like when the railways were introduced would have been a nightmare to update into all the different bookmarks. The main reason why Paradox completely abandoned that approach is because there is simply not enough people playing the bookmarks to justify all that extra work. Hell, how many of the campaigns today are started in the 1939 bookmark? 5%? Mods are probably the best solution for that, even though unfortunately there are no good late war mod that's even remotely up to date :(
imagine just sucking and u send a save to bittersteel and he calls you an ai 😭
The fact this guy went grand battleplan and had Messe as his theorist instead of Graziani made me irationally angry
Try not to be incompetent Italy edition
(IMPOSSIBLE DIFFICULTLY)
how do you send in games i play hoi4 a lot but am really really bad at attacking?
uh this was actually my disaster and no it wasent fabricated i got encircled in south africa like they encircle 80 divisons and then us super heavy tanks landed in sicily and i had to pull my army as the garrisons were crushed by their tanks and by the time i arrived they killed my navy slaughtered my airforce and reached that point of land
I'm impressed you managed to get this many divisions to survive in that case
@@Bitt3rSteel thanks it was mostly the ai being incompetent at holding pockets
So uh, why did you choose the mobile warfare and naval AA advisors when you didn’t have a navy or mobile warfare doctrine…
Edit: Free pass on naval AA since you just lost your navy.
@@Panzerfrank i had a navy and a lot of tanks but they all got killed
Great video. Genuinity btw.
You don't even need improved or advanced in MP either.
But I #want# cooler looking tanks
field marshall seyoum mengesha of the Italian social republic.
my every tank division as turkey taken 40k casualties.