I’ve only flown the R22/44 and 80 hours is barely enough to know anything. But I will say I have a love hate relationship with them. They facilitate my training, which is great. But they’re so dang goofy, especially with the t-handle cyclic. There’s just so many things that could have been done better. My biggest complaint with Robinsons is also the rotor design. I know that as long as you fly it within the performance limits you should be fine. But the mast bumping issue seems to be still happening with regularity over the years. The fact that something was designed in a way that can end in a catastrophic conclusion by *operating just slightly outside of normal performance windows is a bit of a head scratcher to me. For example, in a C172 you essentially have to get the plane into a spin and yank back on the yoke to cause airframe damage while flying. That or perform a barrel roll incorrectly. And even then the chances of your wings ripping off are very slim even if it does leave damage. In a Robinson, all you have to do is hit a pretty good air pocket of turbulence and accidentally correct with the cyclic, which is a natural human response. Seems like a bad characteristic to purposely design into the world’s most popular helicopter TRAINER in the world. Great video! I appreciate your insights and sure would enjoy flying a G2.
I just started instructing on Cabri G2 and I have to totally agree with your statement. It is easier to fly. It is more stable and overall safer than any other two seater on the market.
Being that wirestrikes are one of the highest risks for helicopter accidents, it just makes sense to avoid the 4 foot tall powerline catcher that Robinson machines incorporated into their mast design. If Cabri gets a 4 place version to compete with the R44 the industry will surely retire the entire Robinson fleet & that embarrassing tbar cyclic as each machine reaches its overhaul time.
For sure is a great helicopter, in any case starting with an harder heli could become useful for the future. I’m making everything with the mighty R22 but I would love to try the Cabri. Good analysis
I also train in the R22 and have got my HPL with it. I have always had a thing for the Cabri but just out of my price range. If I had the money I would train and own one of them way before a R22 Good video. Maybe one day I can come to where your at and you can take me up in one 🤘🏻🤘🏽🚁💨💨💨
🇫🇷🤘the gabri g2 helicopters are awesome the presentation looks outstanding. With the full screen with no bar down the middle. And your collective and your side stick looks better. It's a all round helicopter. Take care buddy and happy Christmas to you phil. 🎅
He’s not kidding about the autos being squirrelly. You’ve really got to watch those RPM’s and airspeed. Make sure to memorize the emergency procedures like the back of your hand.
It is low. You definitley have to duck quite a bit. I work as ground crew for a company which does introductory and sightseeing flights in Cabris, and it´s fine to swap passegers with rotors running, you just have to make sure they stay low. The reference is head below he upper door hinge.
The Cabri G2 is a great trainer. Wonderful, safe helicopter.
I’ve only flown the R22/44 and 80 hours is barely enough to know anything. But I will say I have a love hate relationship with them. They facilitate my training, which is great. But they’re so dang goofy, especially with the t-handle cyclic. There’s just so many things that could have been done better.
My biggest complaint with Robinsons is also the rotor design. I know that as long as you fly it within the performance limits you should be fine. But the mast bumping issue seems to be still happening with regularity over the years. The fact that something was designed in a way that can end in a catastrophic conclusion by *operating just slightly outside of normal performance windows is a bit of a head scratcher to me. For example, in a C172 you essentially have to get the plane into a spin and yank back on the yoke to cause airframe damage while flying. That or perform a barrel roll incorrectly. And even then the chances of your wings ripping off are very slim even if it does leave damage. In a Robinson, all you have to do is hit a pretty good air pocket of turbulence and accidentally correct with the cyclic, which is a natural human response. Seems like a bad characteristic to purposely design into the world’s most popular helicopter TRAINER in the world.
Great video! I appreciate your insights and sure would enjoy flying a G2.
Could not agree more with everything you said
I just started instructing on Cabri G2 and I have to totally agree with your statement. It is easier to fly. It is more stable and overall safer than any other two seater on the market.
Being that wirestrikes are one of the highest risks for helicopter accidents, it just makes sense to avoid the 4 foot tall powerline catcher that Robinson machines incorporated into their mast design. If Cabri gets a 4 place version to compete with the R44 the industry will surely retire the entire Robinson fleet & that embarrassing tbar cyclic as each machine reaches its overhaul time.
I think a 4 place Cabri would be a COMPLETE game changer!!
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Robin sines are gay
Nice video and I can relate. I did my commercial flight training on the Cabri at BC Helicopters in Canada and I love the Cabri. It's very forgiving...
Took me all of 10 min to see this is a great machine, plus I got to fly one for 1 hr. And I feel safer, yes right peddle is noticeable.
You've said it all and concisely. Thank you.
Wow, you are really racking up the hours. All good points.
Love the Cabri! My CFI is BA too..
For sure is a great helicopter, in any case starting with an harder heli could become useful for the future. I’m making everything with the mighty R22 but I would love to try the Cabri. Good analysis
I also train in the R22 and have got my HPL with it. I have always had a thing for the Cabri but just out of my price range. If I had the money I would train and own one of them way before a R22 Good video. Maybe one day I can come to where your at and you can take me up in one 🤘🏻🤘🏽🚁💨💨💨
Right on!!!
🇫🇷🤘the gabri g2 helicopters are awesome the presentation looks outstanding. With the full screen with no bar down the middle. And your collective and your side stick looks better. It's a all round helicopter. Take care buddy and happy Christmas to you phil. 🎅
Great review. I have similar feelings about the 44. Are you a CFI?
Yes, he is ;-)
I’m gonna be training in a 22 in texas I really wish that had cabris
He’s not kidding about the autos being squirrelly. You’ve really got to watch those RPM’s and airspeed. Make sure to memorize the emergency procedures like the back of your hand.
What are the most economical helicopters. I heard the range is not great because fuel is burned quickly especially with movements
I'm an instrument rated private pilot - airplane. Looking to add a rotorcraft rating and I want my training in a Cabri G2. Where to go?
What about the low rotor disc? How do you find that?
Here in NZ we are allowed to get out of the machine while it’s running and it looks quite low
It is low. You definitley have to duck quite a bit. I work as ground crew for a company which does introductory and sightseeing flights in Cabris, and it´s fine to swap passegers with rotors running, you just have to make sure they stay low. The reference is head below he upper door hinge.
It took 2:20 to sell me on this helicopter. I hope to see the cost go down.
The costs for a G2? Over the last 5 to 6 years, it only went up. I heared some 100k €.
So are we saying that it's worth the extra $$ to train in a safer helicopter?
Yes!
Want a Robbie …buy 20 acres and wait !
What school do you teach at?
I bet the rental rate is alot more.
well I see its 30-50$ more, interesting trade off if it would enable you to learn faster.
I cannot stand the Robinson. That ridiculous cyclic and pathetic rotor inertia are enough to keep me well away from them.