Thank you for this. There is a counterpart scene in “Elizabeth R” where Elizabeth is taken to see Cranmer now imprisoned himself, I hope you will post it. “This lady Elizabeth, your goddaughter, stands in as great a peril as the woman you married to her father.”
I'm amazed to see this on youtube. I have looked for that series for years, tho I had no need, really, since I have this series and its marvelous sequel "Elizabeth R," played by the incomparable Glenda Jackson (whom I met after a play in NYC in 2018) all on DVDs. It's without peer, and so I hope others will investigate them. I don't get why this particular snippet is on youtube but others are not.
Dialogue beginning at 2:29: Queen Anne - "It's a topsy turvy world, Cranmer, when a lie would save an honest woman and the truth would strike her dead. They offered life to Mark Smeaton? Oh, poor man. I can't blame him, but you cannot trick me with offers of life. Archbishop Cranmer: "Then, of salvation, maybe?" Queen Anne: "You cannot offer me that." Archbishop Cranmer: "Indeed, I can." Queen Anne: "Not for lies." Comment: 1. Queen Catherine of Aragon previously had died in January of 1536, so by the time of Anne's execution in May of 1536, there was no doubt that she was the queen. 2. Therefore, if Queen Anne had confessed to lies, she would have been executed for both adultery and treason. Cranmer acknowledged this after Anne saw through his trick, and then he made a heavenly offer he also in no way could guarantee. 3. However if Anne confessed, Archbishop Cranmer publicly could claim both vindication and his own innocence for her execution, since it was he as Archbishop of Canterbury who had authorized the divorce of Queen Catherine and the marriage with Ann Boleyn after King Henry VIII''s break with Rome.
I doubt the historical AB would have been so carefree and capricious on the eve of her execution. Detracts somewhat from what should be ominous trepidation
If she had resigned herself she may have been carefree. She was facing her maker, and she would be unlikely to commit perjury. However she did agree to annul her marriage to Henry, so she may have been expecting not to die.
@ I always wonder why they (More, Cromwell, Boleyn et al) should give valedictory speeches on the scaffold extolling the virtues of the King at a point when they had nothing else to lose (except perhaps the intentional suffering of a botched execution)- “never a more gentler sovereign”…. Etc
@@abrarahmed1888 Ah, but you see they DID have something to lose. Anne dared not criticize the king because if she did, her daughter Elizabeth would run the risk of being mistreated, ignored etc by the King, ratfink that he was.
@@paules3437actually, good point with AB but I presume the act of attainder and forfeiture of assets would in any case have applied to More and Cromwell
Thank you for this. There is a counterpart scene in “Elizabeth R” where Elizabeth is taken to see Cranmer now imprisoned himself, I hope you will post it. “This lady Elizabeth, your goddaughter, stands in as great a peril as the woman you married to her father.”
Dorothy Tutin was a superb actress. She was great in this.
Just 20 years too old for the role.
@@helenweatherby1694 She was actually only 39 here.
@ yes, as I say, far too old for the role.
@@helenweatherby1694 Eh. It worked for me.
LOVE this programme
Such a great series. I watched it at the time.
I'm amazed to see this on youtube. I have looked for that series for years, tho I had no need, really, since I have this series and its marvelous sequel "Elizabeth R," played by the incomparable Glenda Jackson (whom I met after a play in NYC in 2018) all on DVDs. It's without peer, and so I hope others will investigate them. I don't get why this particular snippet is on youtube but others are not.
Still the best Tudor series. Great acting not too much fluff and psychological moralizing..
Dialogue beginning at 2:29:
Queen Anne - "It's a topsy turvy world, Cranmer, when a lie would save an honest woman and the truth would strike her dead. They offered life to Mark Smeaton? Oh, poor man. I can't blame him, but you cannot trick me with offers of life.
Archbishop Cranmer: "Then, of salvation, maybe?"
Queen Anne: "You cannot offer me that."
Archbishop Cranmer: "Indeed, I can."
Queen Anne: "Not for lies."
Comment:
1. Queen Catherine of Aragon previously had died in January of 1536, so by the time of Anne's execution in May of 1536, there was no doubt that she was the queen.
2. Therefore, if Queen Anne had confessed to lies, she would have been executed for both adultery and treason. Cranmer acknowledged this after Anne saw through his trick, and then he made a heavenly offer he also in no way could guarantee.
3. However if Anne confessed, Archbishop Cranmer publicly could claim both vindication and his own innocence for her execution, since it was he as Archbishop of Canterbury who had authorized the divorce of Queen Catherine and the marriage with Ann Boleyn after King Henry VIII''s break with Rome.
I had the honor of holding her bible in the collection of a public school in uk
I doubt the historical AB would have been so carefree and capricious on the eve of her execution. Detracts somewhat from what should be ominous trepidation
If she had resigned herself she may have been carefree. She was facing her maker, and she would be unlikely to commit perjury.
However she did agree to annul her marriage to Henry, so she may have been expecting not to die.
@ I always wonder why they (More, Cromwell, Boleyn et al) should give valedictory speeches on the scaffold extolling the virtues of the King at a point when they had nothing else to lose (except perhaps the intentional suffering of a botched execution)- “never a more gentler sovereign”…. Etc
@@abrarahmed1888 Ah, but you see they DID have something to lose. Anne dared not criticize the king because if she did, her daughter Elizabeth would run the risk of being mistreated, ignored etc by the King, ratfink that he was.
@@paules3437actually, good point with AB but I presume the act of attainder and forfeiture of assets would in any case have applied to More and Cromwell
I admire her.
The Bullen woman was no queen, and she was no wife either.
Ok, Catharina.
😅
Cranmer was such a tool.
Book of Common Prayer👍