Hello John , me again !! This walk is my playground as a child ..Born in 1945. I would sometimes take this river walk to School (Selwyn Avenue) I would walk down hale end road as far as the bridge , I would then turn into the path to the left of the river...It was very twisty and turny , eventually the path beside the river would end and I would step out of the undergrowth , cross the road to the 'River walk you are on right now...I'm assuming my walk is no longer accessible? , Perhaps you would take a look for me next time you are in the Area....I did love it so...
I stumbled upon your lovely walk this am..I'm in Canada , and grew up in Highams park , left when I was nine...I was so hoping for you to walk beside the river from hale end road.. Where the river runs under the road itself.... I would run along the path on School day mornings .. I have been told that children still use this path , and was surprised that you didn't go that way ..The walk would end for me , at the point where I would cross the road in order to go under the train bridge , cross over the road, and continue on to Selwyn avenue bridge.... I could feel my emotions rise up as you passed Highams park Lake... Another place so familier to me... I loved the whole area of forest here... I will not likely pass its way again ... Thank you for this wonderful trip back in time for me..
I've really enjoyed watching your videos during lockdown when we have been limited to where we can walk ourselves. I drove over the river Roding yesterday and instantly thought of you. This is possibly my favourite video. The music, the beautiful river and the fact I lived in Chingford 30 years ago. There is also something magical about a walk in the rain. Keep up the good work.
Love your video and walks. I’m born and breed off Roman rd Bow. I moved to Cornwall 10 years ago. And I don’t miss London at all. But nearly all them walks you take I used to ride my bike And also done a little research to places I visited. My Uncle auntie and cousins lived in Melford road Leytonstone, My other uncle lived in Valence Ave Dagenham, My brother lives in Arlington Road Camden, and Rest of family still live in Bow and Bethnal Green. In my youth I was always at the dogs, then head down To rising sun pub in the 80s
Loved this, my old stomping ground in the 1970's. Everyday to school at Selwyn through the path between Beech Hall and Winchester Road and many happy times goofing around by the side of the Ching. Thank You!
I'll start by saying how much I enjoy your walks and listening to you talk about each areas history. This one in particular caught my attention as when you crossed Whitehall Road, I could see the road that leads to the house where I was born (in 1956). And then the walk along the Ching up to the sewer pipe brought up sooo many childhood memories of playing along the banks, clambering trees, and even dipping of toes in the water. So far, I've watched it twice and have every intention of watching it again.
Thanks John, great work and editing. Although I walk everyday with my dog around some of the areas in this video, you open up a whole new world.A great pleasure to watch. Thanks again.
Another great walk, thanks John. I've walked around connaught water several times without realising it was the source. Spent some of my childhood ditch jumping (we called it) over streams like this in epping forest.
The Ching ran under the estate where I grew up ( Chingford Hall Estate ) and came out behind the School. We used to play in and along the River and got told off by Parents for coming home wet and muddy ! Great video , thank you !!
Connaught Water. Around 69/70 or was it 71 - we had such cold winters it froze over. Our school took us on the ice to play hockey. Health and Safety! And Walthamstow Stadium - used to watch stock car racing there in the late 1960s with my father. And dog racing too. Amazing memories. Thank you.
I love this; thanks for all your work John. We’re hoping to move to Leytonstone in December - really looking forward to exploring the flats and Epping forest
Aw, that was really nice! Thank you. The River runs at the bottom of my garden in Highams Park and it's great to see Egrets sometimes sitting on my fence! Must watch some of the other walks now.
I've walked from Chingford to Highams Park, and vice versa, many times but it's nice to see your perspective and some beautiful shots of the river. The area is relatively quiet compared to Hackney and Leyton but Highams Park, the centre particularly, is noisy and overcrowded, thanks to mindless, relentless development in any available, and often dubiously acquired, site.
The area is wrecked by the North Circular road and the reliance on road transport compared with the inner boroughs. People don't seem to cycle or walk [except for John R] in the outer boroughs.
Hi, John! I’m enjoying going back in time, somewhat, by watching all your earlier videos. The lovely blue flower you crossed paths with is a bearded iris. Carry on!
Another nice one John. There used to be a boat hire business on Highams Park lake,but I expect that`s gone by now.On Friday Hill there is a Pub called "The Sir.Loin" Unless they changed the name?
The house at the top of Newgate Street is on the other side of the river. That puts the house in Redbridge. Redbridge council can't get round there to collect their bins. So LBWF do it. Also, Newgate Street was the home of Chingford football club. Sone scaffold still exists where the stand was covered. Plus the pub at the hatch had a train carriage out front. Interesting place.
Fascinating to see my old stomping ground and regular dog walk around the old dog track and Highams Park lake, memories of Chika and the good times we had together. Sad to see the concrete jungle that now occupies the old stadium but good to see the retention of the familiar icons. Well done John
Yet another wonderful walk! And like for many here it brings back childhood memories. My granddad lived near the stadium and when we visited and it was dog night we always tried to time our leaving before they all came out - otherwise we had to wait about half an hour for the traffic to clear!
How wonderful. I live in Loughton now but remember The Ching from my childhood when my uncle lived next to Highams Park Lake. Will do that walk again...
Thanks John! Even though we all keep going back to the River Lea (or its tributaries in this case) and Epping Forest I never tire of them. They have so much character. Great soundtrack this episode, especially the folk ballads. Keep that shopping cart in mind, there might be an ecological solution to develop out of it.
Thanks John for a wonderful video. My daughter went to the woodford county high school but I had no idea that it was connected with mr repton. I live opposite claybury park and the new development there is named repton park so he obviously has a big influence in this area.
One of my favourite cycle routes, sadly a bit too muddy over the winter. Great way of getting up to Connaught Water / Epping Forest from say Wanstead, many miles, all off road
Love your videos john, no two houses are the same in leytonstone, i know im asking a lot, but any chance of a walk around colliers wood for my memorys sake, cheers john.
Another great video John. I live in Chingford, close to Connaught Water. There is a small brook that feeds Connaught Water which is to the north of the lake its called The Cuckoo Brook.
another brilliant little river walk john thanks. these are my favourite of your videos.just finished re-reading the groundwater diaries by tim Bradford. psycho geography on special brew!
The reason these places go is that not enough people use them to make them pay.Places like The Kursal at Southend would still be going if the demand had not diminished.I know that the front part is a venue,and Dreamland at Margate has some rides,but the magic has gone.I used to go to The` Stow for stock car racing.
Thanks John; much appreciated. Last race of the day at Walthamstow: I placed a bet on the 'orange dog' ...each way...came in third at 66/1. Happy days : D
So lovely to have joined you on your organised walk on this route. Fascinating how the Ching grew and that you can walk in mostly green land through Suburbia and discovering how each area blends into the next. We live in a wonderful city.
Loved this, but there’s the Ching between Highams Park Lake, over the road through a part of Epping Forest, instead of the back the back of the school, also turn left on Beech Hall Road to the Crescent, and the Ching ‘s at the back there .
Hi John, looks like a nice walk. I actually managed to see this video the day it went up, instead of a few days later as has been the case of late as you know. Unfortunately I am having trouble cutting and pasting links into this comment thread for reasons that are unclear, so you will have to wait until the system updates itself before I can give you the low down on some of my latest historical meanderings on your posts!
Hi John, as I said yesterday, it looks like a nice walk. As you know, I actually managed to see this video the day it went up, instead of a few days later as has been the case of late as you know. But, as I tried to clarify, I've been having trouble pasting links into my text in these threads, which kind of defeats the point of what I am trying to do! Anyway, on the origins of the name of the River Ching and nearby Chingford, it is almost certainly derived from the same root as the name for Kingston in Surrey, where you were the other day. Kingston appears in the Domesday Book c.1086 as Chingestone and Chingetun(e), with ching being old English for king, so it is most likely that the Ching and Chingford refer to the King's river, and Kings Ford respectively. The only real question is, from what era did the name originate? King Harold Harefoot having lived or had a manor in Chingford or its environs in the 11th century, a date which certainly ties in with the Old English use of "Ching" for King, but the association may in fact be a lot older. The East Saxons had their own kingdom, which is supposed to have been the oldest royal domain established by the incoming Germanic tribes if the eleventh century pseudo-historian Geoffrey of Monmouth is to be believed. The history of the Kingdom of Essex, is, however, somewhat obscure, on account of the fact that it came out fairly badly as a result of the internecine feuds that the Early Anglo-Saxon Kingdoms are recorded as having engaged in before the ascendancy of the Vikings. Having first had the territory of the Middle Saxons break off from its royal domain and form a sort of buffer state between the Kingdoms of Essex, Mercia and Wessex, the Kings of the East Saxons were first of all subjugated by the Kings of Mercia before having their sub-kingdom finally absorbed into Wessex when the Mercians were finally subdued by the Kings of Wessex at the start of the ninth century. As you may or may not already know, the original Kingdom of Essex in turn grew up as a result of the absorption of about eight earlier sub-kingdoms or tribal groups, one of which, the Uppingas - are supposed to have given their name to Epping. So Chingford may also have been where the original Kings of the Uppingas once lived! More here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Essex
Great walk as usual John. Very interesting. Live the way the river built up along the way. It’s a wonder they’ve not made the kennels into one room executive living space though lol 😂
Marvelous John, I've really enjoyed your summer Waltham Forest guided walks. As a factoid of no interest to most, there are some beavers living wild in Devon these days and more north of the border. I'm still hoping the legendary Norfolk coypu will make a comeback for my own personal amusement.
Good Walk again John, I assume you have Walked the New River but I don't see a video on it, I used to catch sticklebacks and redthroats in the part of the river in Clissold park back in the 1950's, it was alongside Stoke Newington Church St but alas that part was filled in, I believe it went along Petherton Rd then on its way to the New River head in Clerkenwell....thanks John.
@@SirPrancelot1 Haha yes funny it did pass however I waited pretty much all day. Walked the streets including along the lea. Interesting to pass through the former dog track. I wondered what shape it had taken. The apartments quite large took me while to realise where I was before I saw the memorabilia of the dog track. I do like chingford but this time hardly anything open what with lockdown. You see so much more walking about.
Again a nice video. Only went to Waltham Stadium 2. Going to the dogs was a family night out, but as most of the family lived Hackney, we used the Hackney Stadium. the beef was knighted was in Friday Hill Manor which is in Simmons Lane, which was part of Walthamstow Tech college. Where I did my Radio amateur training.
The Prittle Brook where I live in Leigh on Sea is a tributary of the River Roach spanning down through Prittlewell with much of the brook alongside a pathway (called Prittlebrook Greenway) between Belfairs Woods and Southend, with a wood sculpture trail. It starts somewhere in Thundersley so runs for maybe 10 miles
A couple of months back, someone dumped about 50 linked trolleys from Sainsbury's in the section of the river between the Sainsbury's and Morrisons superstores. You should have seen the state of it!
Once upon a time, when I was little lad up in Northumberland , a bunch of us would be taken up to Happy valley, a place near the town, a couple of miles walk to where we could leave the road and walk down to the stream, the stream had lots of other little streams and within a bout a mile, the little stream had turned into a quite a flow, which went into a large pond, where more tributaries converged and all left the pond from the same place. This had now turned into a river with a row of deep pools where we would jump in them and splash around, it was icy cold too but we were kids, we didn't care, we just creamed and splashed a lot, it was a heap of fun. Sunny days in the 1950s, wonderful. No life guards, no life jackets, Adders were common place, so were grass snakes, we knew all about them and left well alone. Nobody drowned and as far as I remember no one was hurt. Somehow we knew what danger was, maybe the love of life was enough.
A lovely video John well done, I lost my wife a short time ago im sorry to say ,at least I will be able to return to my area Epping Forest etc when I please now looking forward to it take care clive.
Does one suppose the underground rivers of London, such as the Tyburn and Fleet would´ve actually been a similar size to these smaller brooks rather than bigger rivers??
This was fascinating to watch. I live in Chingford and know parts of the river very well. My daughter and I are heading up to Connaught Water in the next few days and intend to follow the river as far as we can and possibly walk IN/THROUGH it. Would there be any advice you or others could offer regarding this?
Great to hear. Follow the route of this walk in reverse to Connaught Water and be prepared for it to be incredibly muddy. To go ‘through’ Connaught Water I’d walk clockwise around the lake and pick up the one of the gravel paths on the north side, either heading West into Bury Wood, or north towards Loughton. It’s a great walk
Hi.Mr. Rogers. Just found out that The Sir.Loin pub on Friday Hill has been renamed The Dovecote. Why! Why! Why!??? do they do this? These pubs like The Napier Arms,and The Bakers arms were actual stops on the London bus map.At least they didnt call it The Frog & Jock strap.
The Napier Arms ...back in 1953 mum and I would head to London on the Trolly bus 623 After walking up the hill from hale end road... The curvature is still there...I can remember not being able to look over it when I was small.... Essex , so easy to remember and so hard to forget..for me anyhow..
Today is a day for a long walk. Best natural cure for depression that I know of. It will need to be a long one, as I try and fathom why this country has chosen intolerance, hatred and a society where "....men, like ravenous fishes, would feed on one another"
Rain makes it less relaxing for the walker and more calming for the viewer? Went into the house at 12:28, definitely lived in but definitely not by the owners. Was too dark and unsafe to see much so didnt venture up the stairs. Odd that it's stood int he forest by itself, unloved, for so many years.
Have been viewing some of your beautiful and informative videos John. I will carry on viewing more. I particularly enjoyed the Ingrebourne River one, as I had relations who I visited who lived around there. Also searching for the course of the Fillebrook particularly appealed to me. I wrote a poem about the Ching a couple of years back which is posted on a lockdown-inspired new poetry blog. May I place a link to this video there in the preamble to the poem? It will definitely add to the Ching knowledge of people reading the poem. The link to the poem is southchingfordpoetry.blogspot.com/2020/11/the-journey-of-ching.html Thanks again for your interesting range of London walks
According to Wikipedia - The word sirloin derives from the Middle English surloine, itself derived from the Old French word surloigne (variant of surlonge), that is, sur for 'above' and longe for 'loin'. In Modern French, the cut of meat is called aloyau or faux-filet. A commonly-repeated anecdote claims that the name is derived from an occasion when King James I of England, while being entertained at Hoghton Tower during his return from Scotland in 1617, was so impressed by the quality of his steak that he knighted the loin of beef, which was referred to thereafter as "Sir loin". There is no reliable evidence for this explanation and scholars generally hold it to be a myth.
Just found the confluence of the Ching and the Lea at 03:58 on your other video - Lea Valley Walk from Walthamstow to Waltham Abbey - ua-cam.com/video/Ip96qIg8tsc/v-deo.html
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A peaen of praise for a very special man,/ who ventures into places only our John can./ And while most of us are decking our halls with holly,/ John can find beauty in a supermarket trolley!/ Please keep it up because like many here I've become a really ardent fan!
Here's a full playlist of all five Waltham Forest psychogeographer in residence walks ua-cam.com/play/PLHD6uTQLDf_NVcNgQzVOCUK9QYmmcDMnA.html
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Hello John , me again !! This walk is my playground as a child ..Born in 1945. I would sometimes take this river walk to School (Selwyn Avenue) I would walk down hale end road as far as the bridge , I would then turn into the path to the left of the river...It was very twisty and turny , eventually the path beside the river would end and I would step out of the undergrowth , cross the road to the 'River walk you are on right now...I'm assuming my walk is no longer accessible? , Perhaps you would take a look for me next time you are in the Area....I did love it so...
I worked in the Borough for nearly 20 years. Love the walks and your magical narrative and music. Thanks for taking us with you John.
I stumbled upon your lovely walk this am..I'm in Canada , and grew up in Highams park , left when I was nine...I was so hoping for you to walk beside the river from hale end road.. Where the river runs under the road itself.... I would run along the path on School day mornings .. I have been told that children still use this path , and was surprised that you didn't go that way ..The walk would end for me , at the point where I would cross the road in order to go under the train bridge , cross over the road, and continue on to Selwyn avenue bridge.... I could feel my emotions rise up as you passed Highams park Lake... Another place so familier to me... I loved the whole area of forest here... I will not likely pass its way again ... Thank you for this wonderful trip back in time for me..
I've really enjoyed watching your videos during lockdown when we have been limited to where we can walk ourselves. I drove over the river Roding yesterday and instantly thought of you. This is possibly my favourite video. The music, the beautiful river and the fact I lived in Chingford 30 years ago. There is also something magical about a walk in the rain. Keep up the good work.
Used to go to the dogs every year for my sons birthday. Such a great night out. Great walk. Thx
Love your video and walks. I’m born and breed off Roman rd Bow. I moved to Cornwall 10 years ago. And I don’t miss London at all. But nearly all them walks you take I used to ride my bike And also done a little research to places I visited. My Uncle auntie and cousins lived in Melford road Leytonstone, My other uncle lived in Valence Ave Dagenham, My brother lives in Arlington Road Camden, and Rest of family still live in Bow and Bethnal Green. In my youth I was always at the dogs, then head down To rising sun pub in the 80s
Beautiful walk! Thank you for showing the Ching. It is one of the most lovely rivers I have seen.
Loved this, my old stomping ground in the 1970's. Everyday to school at Selwyn through the path between Beech Hall and Winchester Road and many happy times goofing around by the side of the Ching. Thank You!
I'll start by saying how much I enjoy your walks and listening to you talk about each areas history. This one in particular caught my attention as when you crossed Whitehall Road, I could see the road that leads to the house where I was born (in 1956). And then the walk along the Ching up to the sewer pipe brought up sooo many childhood memories of playing along the banks, clambering trees, and even dipping of toes in the water. So far, I've watched it twice and have every intention of watching it again.
Lovely and relaxing walk - thank you, John. Always manages to lift my spirits.
thanks as evert Mariana
Another fascinating walk. The rain is atmospheric, except when too heavy to film when it is a a pain.
Thanks John, great work and editing. Although I walk everyday with my dog around some of the areas in this video, you open up a whole new world.A great pleasure to watch. Thanks again.
A lovely stretch of river. Thankfully Beavers are now back in the UK, so no longer extinct
Wonderful video John. We enjoy your videos so much. So interesting.
Thanks very much Martin
Another great walk, thanks John. I've walked around connaught water several times without realising it was the source. Spent some of my childhood ditch jumping (we called it) over streams like this in epping forest.
The Ching ran under the estate where I grew up ( Chingford Hall Estate ) and came out behind the School. We used to play in and along the River and got told off by Parents for coming home wet and muddy ! Great video , thank you !!
i always find these videos calming and restorative, wonderful sights and views, great work John!
A super, relaxing video with so much interest. Thank you.
thanks for watching Dave
Connaught Water. Around 69/70 or was it 71 - we had such cold winters it froze over. Our school took us on the ice to play hockey. Health and Safety! And Walthamstow Stadium - used to watch stock car racing there in the late 1960s with my father. And dog racing too. Amazing memories. Thank you.
Another masterclass in Psychogeography. Many thanks John.
Thanks so much David
I love this; thanks for all your work John. We’re hoping to move to Leytonstone in December - really looking forward to exploring the flats and Epping forest
my pleasure Andy - sure you'll love living in Leytonstone
Aw, that was really nice! Thank you. The River runs at the bottom of my garden in Highams Park and it's great to see Egrets sometimes sitting on my fence! Must watch some of the other walks now.
Thanks for another interesting and relaxing video.
Thanks John once again for a very interesting video with lots of
facts which I previously had no knowledge of. Looking forward to your next video.
I've walked from Chingford to Highams Park, and vice versa, many times but it's nice to see your perspective and some beautiful shots of the river. The area is relatively quiet compared to Hackney and Leyton but Highams Park, the centre particularly, is noisy and overcrowded, thanks to mindless, relentless development in any available, and often dubiously acquired, site.
The area is wrecked by the North Circular road and the reliance on road transport compared with the inner boroughs. People don't seem to cycle or walk [except for John R] in the outer boroughs.
Hi, John! I’m enjoying going back in time, somewhat, by watching all your earlier videos. The lovely blue flower you crossed paths with is a bearded iris. Carry on!
Another nice one John. There used to be a boat hire business on Highams Park lake,but I expect that`s gone by now.On Friday Hill there is a Pub called "The Sir.Loin" Unless they changed the name?
The house at the top of Newgate Street is on the other side of the river. That puts the house in Redbridge. Redbridge council can't get round there to collect their bins. So LBWF do it. Also, Newgate Street was the home of Chingford football club. Sone scaffold still exists where the stand was covered. Plus the pub at the hatch had a train carriage out front. Interesting place.
Fascinating to see my old stomping ground and regular dog walk around the old dog track and Highams Park lake, memories of Chika and the good times we had together. Sad to see the concrete jungle that now occupies the old stadium but good to see the retention of the familiar icons. Well done John
Thanks George
Wow beautiful walk Walthamstow dog track the memories that brings back dog racing and speedway thanks John
Yet another wonderful walk! And like for many here it brings back childhood memories. My granddad lived near the stadium and when we visited and it was dog night we always tried to time our leaving before they all came out - otherwise we had to wait about half an hour for the traffic to clear!
Thank you for a lovely relaxing Sunday walk (for us) John 😊☕
How wonderful. I live in Loughton now but remember The Ching from my childhood when my uncle lived next to Highams Park Lake. Will do that walk again...
Lovely video, John.Thank you.
We have beavers in Scotland now, I know there are some on the River Tay and also on the Earn two of my favourite rivers here.
Fantastic walk BTW.
Thanks John, great film, as always, cheers .
Thanks John,used to play along the ching by the stadium when i was a child,you have taken me back to then.
this was one of my favourite walks of last year Aja
Very enjoyable, good music too.
Nice one John, another banging video👍👍👍
wow john, thanks for the upload. im sad the walthamstow stadium is not in use anymore, used to go a lot back in the day.
Thanks John! Even though we all keep going back to the River Lea (or its tributaries in this case) and Epping Forest I never tire of them. They have so much character. Great soundtrack this episode, especially the folk ballads. Keep that shopping cart in mind, there might be an ecological solution to develop out of it.
Thanks John for a wonderful video. My daughter went to the woodford county high school but I had no idea that it was connected with mr repton. I live opposite claybury park and the new development there is named repton park so he obviously has a big influence in this area.
wonderful... I miss it..
One of my favourite cycle routes, sadly a bit too muddy over the winter. Great way of getting up to Connaught Water / Epping Forest from say Wanstead, many miles, all off road
Love your videos john, no two houses are the same in leytonstone, i know im asking a lot, but any chance of a walk around colliers wood for my memorys sake, cheers john.
Another great video John. I live in Chingford, close to Connaught Water. There is a small brook that feeds Connaught Water which is to the north of the lake its called The Cuckoo Brook.
another brilliant little river walk john thanks. these are my favourite of your videos.just finished re-reading the groundwater diaries by tim Bradford. psycho geography on special brew!
Thanks john Was a shock to me to see the stadium gone
Have a Safe and good 2020!
Dave.
Thanks Dave - same to you
The reason these places go is that not enough people use them to make them pay.Places like The Kursal at Southend would still be going if the demand had not diminished.I know that the front part is a venue,and Dreamland at Margate has some rides,but the magic has gone.I used to go to The` Stow for stock car racing.
Yep not just dogs performing around the track,late 60,s stock cars,i can still hear the commentator over the tannoy of memory
Banger racing,saturday morning pics,who needed smart phones and i pods back then
Social cleansing is why the Stow Dogs went , disgraceful , happening all over London !
I had a flat in Walthamstow village. Connaught court . Was a lovely little village
Lovely video and very informative. Many thanks 👍🏾
Excellent always enjoy Ian's take on London 💕
thanks tomgirl
Lovely video. Thank you !
Very interesting video John especially as I know the place
Thanks John; much appreciated. Last race of the day at Walthamstow: I placed a bet on the 'orange dog' ...each way...came in third at 66/1. Happy days : D
Fabulous
Beautiful video. Thank you.
So lovely to have joined you on your organised walk on this route. Fascinating how the Ching grew and that you can walk in mostly green land through Suburbia and discovering how each area blends into the next. We live in a wonderful city.
Thank you for sharing John, must go for walk in Epping Forest soon. I've sneakily wild camped at Connaught Water once. 😊
Loved this, but there’s the Ching between Highams Park Lake, over the road through a part of Epping Forest, instead of the back the back of the school, also turn left on Beech Hall Road to the Crescent, and the Ching ‘s at the back there .
Hi John, looks like a nice walk. I actually managed to see this video the day it went up, instead of a few days later as has been the case of late as you know. Unfortunately I am having trouble cutting and pasting links into this comment thread for reasons that are unclear, so you will have to wait until the system updates itself before I can give you the low down on some of my latest historical meanderings on your posts!
Hi John,
as I said yesterday, it looks like a nice walk. As you know, I actually managed to see this video the day it went up, instead of a few days later as has been the case of late as you know. But, as I tried to clarify, I've been having trouble pasting links into my text in these threads, which kind of defeats the point of what I am trying to do!
Anyway, on the origins of the name of the River Ching and nearby Chingford, it is almost certainly derived from the same root as the name for Kingston in Surrey, where you were the other day. Kingston appears in the Domesday Book c.1086 as Chingestone and Chingetun(e), with ching being old English for king, so it is most likely that the Ching and Chingford refer to the King's river, and Kings Ford respectively. The only real question is, from what era did the name originate?
King Harold Harefoot having lived or had a manor in Chingford or its environs in the 11th century, a date which certainly ties in with the Old English use of "Ching" for King, but the association may in fact be a lot older. The East Saxons had their own kingdom, which is supposed to have been the oldest royal domain established by the incoming Germanic tribes if the eleventh century pseudo-historian Geoffrey of Monmouth is to be believed. The history of the Kingdom of Essex, is, however, somewhat obscure, on account of the fact that it came out fairly badly as a result of the internecine feuds that the Early Anglo-Saxon Kingdoms are recorded as having engaged in before the ascendancy of the Vikings.
Having first had the territory of the Middle Saxons break off from its royal domain and form a sort of buffer state between the Kingdoms of Essex, Mercia and Wessex, the Kings of the East Saxons were first of all subjugated by the Kings of Mercia before having their sub-kingdom finally absorbed into Wessex when the Mercians were finally subdued by the Kings of Wessex at the start of the ninth century. As you may or may not already know, the original Kingdom of Essex in turn grew up as a result of the absorption of about eight earlier sub-kingdoms or tribal groups, one of which, the Uppingas - are supposed to have given their name to Epping. So Chingford may also have been where the original Kings of the Uppingas once lived!
More here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Essex
Fantastic video on a Sunday night (looks like I've gone into the morning!). These are very informative, enjoyable and relaxing.
Cheers.
Great walk as usual John. Very interesting. Live the way the river built up along the way. It’s a wonder they’ve not made the kennels into one room executive living space though lol 😂
I love the way the kennels have become part of the allotments. There were kennels all up the Lea Valley servicing the dog track apparently
@@JohnRogersWalks I didn't realise that, excellent 😀👍
Marvelous John, I've really enjoyed your summer Waltham Forest guided walks. As a factoid of no interest to most, there are some beavers living wild in Devon these days and more north of the border. I'm still hoping the legendary Norfolk coypu will make a comeback for my own personal amusement.
Good Walk again John, I assume you have Walked the New River but I don't see a video on it, I used to catch sticklebacks and redthroats in the part of the river in Clissold park back in the 1950's, it was alongside Stoke Newington Church St but alas that part was filled in, I believe it went along Petherton Rd then on its way to the New River head in Clerkenwell....thanks John.
Funnily enough Colin I’ve only walked it in small sections during other walks - never end-to-end, but it’s something I intend to do one day
That was very enjoyable. I stumbled upon walthamstow dogs estate whilst waiting for my mot. Very interesting. Thanks John.
Hope it passed. Glad you had somewhere interesting to explore. Hanging around for an MOT can be a tedious, and somewhat anxious, wait.
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Haha yes funny it did pass however I waited pretty much all day. Walked the streets including along the lea. Interesting to pass through the former dog track. I wondered what shape it had taken. The apartments quite large took me while to realise where I was before I saw the memorabilia of the dog track. I do like chingford but this time hardly anything open what with lockdown. You see so much more walking about.
@@Listermintsluesh that's a long MOT! Good to hear it passed and you were in an interesting place.
nice one John.like the rivers walks very much. thank you
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Never heard of this river - very nice well made video - enjoyed this! You deserve a lot more subs :) I love following you on Google Maps
Again a nice video. Only went to Waltham Stadium 2. Going to the dogs was a family night out, but as most of the family lived Hackney, we used the Hackney Stadium. the beef was knighted was in Friday Hill Manor which is in Simmons Lane, which was part of Walthamstow Tech college. Where I did my Radio amateur training.
The Prittle Brook where I live in Leigh on Sea is a tributary of the River Roach spanning down through Prittlewell with much of the brook alongside a pathway (called Prittlebrook Greenway) between Belfairs Woods and Southend, with a wood sculpture trail. It starts somewhere in Thundersley so runs for maybe 10 miles
Thanks Julie I’ll take a look
Splendid that. I recall Charlie Chans night club at the dog track..
It's funny how many people mention Charlie Chans, must have been quite a place
Shopping trolley dam !
Those urban beavers are getting more clever by the day.
A couple of months back, someone dumped about 50 linked trolleys from Sainsbury's in the section of the river between the Sainsbury's and Morrisons superstores. You should have seen the state of it!
great
ah cool wasn't expecting one so soon from you
They’ll be coming thick and fast between now and Christmas David
Never knew this river existed so close by
It’s a real treasure Ross
Brilliant 🎉
Great film my friend at school lived in the house at the top of Newgate street in the 70s it always smelt of sewage back then
Another great video John shame about all those stadiums now gone use to go stock car racing at Wimbledon stadium
Once upon a time, when I was little lad up in Northumberland , a bunch of us would be taken up to Happy valley, a place near the town, a couple of miles walk to where we could leave the road and walk down to the stream, the stream had lots of other little streams and within a bout a mile, the little stream had turned into a quite a flow, which went into a large pond, where more tributaries converged and all left the pond from the same place. This had now turned into a river with a row of deep pools where we would jump in them and splash around, it was icy cold too but we were kids, we didn't care, we just creamed and splashed a lot, it was a heap of fun. Sunny days in the 1950s, wonderful. No life guards, no life jackets, Adders were common place, so were grass snakes, we knew all about them and left well alone. Nobody drowned and as far as I remember no one was hurt. Somehow we knew what danger was, maybe the love of life was enough.
A lovely video John well done, I lost my wife a short time ago im sorry to say ,at least I will be able to return to my area Epping Forest etc when I please now looking forward to it take care clive.
Very sorry to hear that Clive - my sincere condolences. Take care
Repton design Blaise, where I walk most days. He must have had a thing for the vegetation you filmed because it everywhere in Blaise too.
id like to know how many mileseach walk is i love youre walks
Cool nice walk. My fraviote videos of yours are at the London docklands.
Does one suppose the underground rivers of London, such as the Tyburn and Fleet would´ve actually been a similar size to these smaller brooks rather than bigger rivers??
This was fascinating to watch. I live in Chingford and know parts of the river very well. My daughter and I are heading up to Connaught Water in the next few days and intend to follow the river as far as we can and possibly walk IN/THROUGH it. Would there be any advice you or others could offer regarding this?
Great to hear. Follow the route of this walk in reverse to Connaught Water and be prepared for it to be incredibly muddy. To go ‘through’ Connaught Water I’d walk clockwise around the lake and pick up the one of the gravel paths on the north side, either heading West into Bury Wood, or north towards Loughton. It’s a great walk
Hi.Mr. Rogers. Just found out that The Sir.Loin pub on Friday Hill has been renamed The Dovecote. Why! Why! Why!??? do they do this? These pubs like The Napier Arms,and The Bakers arms were actual stops on the London bus map.At least they didnt call it The Frog & Jock strap.
The Napier Arms ...back in 1953 mum and I would head to London on the Trolly bus 623 After walking up the hill from hale end road... The curvature is still there...I can remember not being able to look over it when I was small.... Essex , so easy to remember and so hard to forget..for me anyhow..
Today is a day for a long walk. Best natural cure for depression that I know of. It will need to be a long one, as I try and fathom why this country has chosen intolerance, hatred and a society where "....men, like ravenous fishes, would feed on one another"
I heartily agree - walking is always a good cure
Rain makes it less relaxing for the walker and more calming for the viewer? Went into the house at 12:28, definitely lived in but definitely not by the owners. Was too dark and unsafe to see much so didnt venture up the stairs. Odd that it's stood int he forest by itself, unloved, for so many years.
ARGHHHHHHHHHH! epping forest! had my car stolen in that place back in 1986 :P
Have been viewing some of your beautiful and informative videos John. I will carry on viewing more. I particularly enjoyed the Ingrebourne River one, as I had relations who I visited who lived around there. Also searching for the course of the Fillebrook particularly appealed to me. I wrote a poem about the Ching a couple of years back which is posted on a lockdown-inspired new poetry blog. May I place a link to this video there in the preamble to the poem? It will definitely add to the Ching knowledge of people reading the poem. The link to the poem is southchingfordpoetry.blogspot.com/2020/11/the-journey-of-ching.html
Thanks again for your interesting range of London walks
According to Wikipedia - The word sirloin derives from the Middle English surloine, itself derived from the Old French word surloigne (variant of surlonge), that is, sur for 'above' and longe for 'loin'. In Modern French, the cut of meat is called aloyau or faux-filet. A commonly-repeated anecdote claims that the name is derived from an occasion when King James I of England, while being entertained at Hoghton Tower during his return from Scotland in 1617, was so impressed by the quality of his steak that he knighted the loin of beef, which was referred to thereafter as "Sir loin". There is no reliable evidence for this explanation and scholars generally hold it to be a myth.
Interesting information. Sounds more likely than the "Arise Sir Loin" but who knows..........
Back to the pub on Friday Hill well that closed then under new management opened as The Dovecote sadly permanently closed
You make me feel home sick 🤒
Wow my old address in manor farm drive
Just found the confluence of the Ching and the Lea at 03:58 on your other video - Lea Valley Walk from Walthamstow to Waltham Abbey - ua-cam.com/video/Ip96qIg8tsc/v-deo.html
So many empty spaces londin to bild new howses
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It's a shame the amount of detritus you see on these walks!
Beavers 🦫 are back. They need to be everywhere but they are back. 👍🏼