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I'm on reddit, I don't join most 40k groups here or there, fill of fanbois wan**s that just spend all day slobbering on gws c**k. F**k those s**t heads, honestly you're better off without that bs lass. You do get a bit ranty but it's entirely justified so who cares what that sack of turds thinks?
You do you do lass, we like your honesty
"for the last 2 months i havent bought mutch" How adorable. I have been doing it for 2 years. I dont plan on supporting a company that keeps doing all these nasty fucked up buisness practices.
@@19Crusader91 xD jeah, when i heared about these 2 month I thought about the same.
Hi Discourse.
Do you ever take commissions or suggestions? Because I want to see a Skaven Verminlord kitbashed into Mickey Mouse; mocking two companies at the same time!
Man, I can not believe how much I relate to literally every single answer you gave them on that survey 😅 I'm ded 💀🤣
I got the survey and managed to completely fill it out even with blasting them over their terrible business practices. I also gave them very critical review on Warhammer+
Same here. I didn't even know it was some super-secret survey when I got it. I was pretty rough and talked about how their practices completely turned me off of GW products. Nowadays the only GW products I buy are Blood Bowl, because other than that there are so many superior (and cheaper) games from other companies.
Yeah completely went to town on warhammer+, and explained how I’m disappointed with there business practices on my lunch break lol. Did not realise this was a secret survey though.
I also gave them a full and frank review; I'm really surprised that this was a secret survey, I wonder how they selected their participants?
You got {+}?
@@schemesof40k yeah not that impressive
interesting take. I'm in the Battletech community and we have had a TON of warhammer refugees recently. So many times the same questions "What do I need to buy" (Whatever you want) "what's good" (everything when used right) "how often are new rulebooks released?" (You can use any rulebook ever published for classic btech, it's never really changed). I listen to so much of the angst in warhammer (I played Rogue Trader to 5th Edition) and wonder why I took so long to get off the GW drain train.
Most WH refuguess I've talked to were awestruck when told that you don't even need terrain for BT - a starter box and the hex maps will suffice.
I played the original Battletech in the 80's and 90's. Is the current edition more balanced?
Damn, even im interested in that
@@thenathanimal2909 It is the same game with some very minor changes that make more sense (like partial cover blocks hits on legs instead of causing hit to go to the punch to hit table). There are more weapon systems, ECM and anti-missile systems, and ammo types (most people only use those in campaign style play). Consistency has been their watchword. The new Alpha Strike rules are for larger unit actions and quite quick but lose all the nice crunchiness of classic battletech.
@@thenathanimal2909 The Guass Rifle is still OP and we like it that way.
I think the big thing GW is missing is that other companies are able to make and sell games and miniatures at a vastly lower price point. There aren't nearly as many books to buy and the ones that do come out are better priced. Not to mention that other companies are producing good miniatures at lower prices. Cadians are $50 for 10 guys while Stargrave has boxes of 20 miniatures for around $30. Even Kingdom Death is starting to look more reasonably priced than Warhammer.
Anytime people say that Warhammer is a luxury hobby, I just point out that other companies are proving that it doesn't have to be as expensive as GW makes it out to be.
See, games workshop IS able to do that too, they just... don't.
I nearly died at the "how much do you spend on Warhammer per month" question having "under 20€" as an option. I didn't think they sell ANYTHING for that low. I'd have expected that question to START at 60
I used to get by that (as a painting-focussed hobbyist) with the easy to build kits. You could also buy paints in that budget if you can stomach Citadel pots I guess lol
Two pots of paint and a brush.
I think the idea is you don't buy every month.
the magazine. its about all i buy nowadays, and then only because im bored and theres a store next door to mine that sells it.
Whitedwarf?
Most companies will do these surveys and completely ignore data they don't like.
Executives only want to know what they are doing right.
I expect nothing to come of this.
Great video, thanks for taking us along for the ride.
I am super excited to see the old world too!
Many years ago I worked at a hobby gaming store in Pennsylvania. At that time the North American headquarters of gamesworkshop was in Glen Burnie Maryland. As soon as we got our initial stock in a group from Glen Burnie came-up help to set up the displays and on the following week they returned and ran a tournament at our store. The whole company was very behind tournaments back then. I asked the guy in charge of the group that came down why. He told me that the plan was to get people hooked on the tournament scene because they thought at that time that people would buy all of the available armies so they could remain competitive. And when a New Codex would come out they would buy the new hotness to make their army competitive again.
OMG that "Alone" series of questions was both tremendously funny and scary AF.
Glad you did this walkthrough for us. Kind of get the feel that someone very senior wanted a warts and all survey done rather than a massaged in-house marketing survey.
BT was my first minis game, I recently went back to it hard. I did the entire GW survey already and did not hold back when a comment box came up.
@discourseminiatures having a council of minis she has named and uses them as her "friends" is one of my favorite head canons.
Classic FASA BattleTech was an absolutely superb sci-fi skirmish game, and the quality of its lore (specifically, during the Succession War era), puts most of what GW has published for 40K to shame. If you ever come across one of the old books, check out the flavor, and I think you’ll agree.
Big parts of it didn't make much sense, but it was better than current 40K.
I was hoping to see Dark Hersey was going to be on the list. My group still plays that. We use Battle Gothic ships for space combat. Battletech is my favorite system. Most of the basic rules haven't changed. The equipment has and you can work that into the rules. That is what I love.
Most of the novels are readily available as e-books these days. I still consider Stackpole's Warrior and Blood of Kerensky trilogies as some of the finest sci-fi ever written.
@@markwatson8714 110% with you on that. Recently finished reading them and I put them right at the top of some of my favorite recent reads.
@27:30 - it's ironic that a lot of the changes GW made were in the name of "steram lining" and "ease of access" for all those poor, fresh faces that don't realise what they are getting into - becasue, bottom line, GW's main focus are naive, new customers.
I miss templates
"You put together terrain, you're doing something weird, you're doing something else" - Discourse, u r so right! Us scratch built terrain types are beyond the corporate pale 🤓🤟❣️
*The gigachad paperhammer and scratchbuilders enter the room* yes
The highlight of my time in the hobby was when Games Workshop contracted Tolkien to write books based on their tabletop game Middle Earth Strategy Battle.
Considering when and where Tolkien started to develop the idea for those books - does that actually mean that GW is behind WW 1? oO
I loved it when they invented the elf
Warhammer appropriating and taking credit for pre-existing cultures and works like they're China, these days...
@@Furzkampfbomber Archduke Franz Ferdinand's wounds look suspiciously like those created by an Exitus Rifle... 🤔
@@MightyEmperor I've also heard that a GW employee was was adressed with the words _"Et tu, Brute?"_ once...
The decline of 40K started with the loss of Rick Priestly. I still wonder what would have happened if the roleplay aspect of Rogue Trader had been fully explored.
They'd have probably came up with some kind of skirmish game, possibly centred around the Inquisition, which would have received patchy support for a couple of years before being completely sidelined so they could pursue the LotR license. Oh, wait ...
Not a single mention of 3D printing one of the greatest revolutions to the entire hobby and tabletop gaming and the fastest growing field in all of wargaming....
Really shows how much GW is trying to ignore the topic kicking and screaming all the way to the end. I fear that GW will end like kodak or the other industry defining companies that ignored emerging digital technologies and suddenly found themselves to be massively outdated and out of buisness.
For real. I can print a 2K army of superior models (or models I digitally kitbash myself) for like $40
It is very hard not to like you when you continue to be a genuine honest person who is not afraid to put yourself out there. I found this entire long video very entertaining due to that.
I had no idea this was a secret survey. I filled this out a week or two ago. There was a significant airing of grievances
SERENITY NOW!!!
its a shame that i wont EVER get to fill this survey out... but then, it's been long enough since i spent my money on them, i'm sure they don't care that i think they ruined their own game/lore...
Lol same. I haven't bought new minis in so long that *I've actually painted all the ones I have.*
@@Sue_Me_Too thats the most dangerous form of hate. The constructive one
Hahaha, this is awesome.
3d printers and indie rules are improving the hobby so much currently.
I’ve seen so many web sites using old 40k editions and updating them so you can use new units! And get taken down very quickly😧
@@neildubber9147 where abouts? I would love to play 4th Ed with newer units.
@@anthonyplayter2981 sadly the sites get taken down because of copy right infringement (and yes 4th Ed. Was great! I had many games with this Edition
@@neildubber9147 where are you based and do you want a game of 4ed?
@@neildubber9147 Rules are not copyrightable. They must be patented.
this feels like one of those "are you an alcoholic?" tests
What I appreciate so much about this channel is you're aware that GW fanboys don't care for you and you really don't seem to mind. Love your content!
Wouldn't be so quick to assume that gw fanboys are automatically against reasonable criticism.
I'm a big fanboy, and think the online 40k community has a large element of 'all the cool kids like us think gw sucks', but there is plenty of room for reasonable criticism.
@@mumblez7712 I concur. I've been a massive fan for GW since I was eleven, but I am also very receptive to actual criticism that is deserved. GW has committed both enormous blunders and deplorable attitudes especially of late.
@@owenlindkvist5355 True, theyve also made great strides to address things the community wanted in the last 10-20 years. Balance updates and more frequent faqs were something the community was begging for for years, it'll never be perfect but beats the days of "Codex is unbalanced? Better luck next edition!", not to mention the dark ages of literaly zero interaction with the community; Hell, even the main rumor pages are mostly just re-posting Warhammer Community articles these days.
If you've only been playing the last 10-15 years it'd be easy to see all of GW's mistakes without having a full view of the things that have vastly improved
@@mumblez7712 To myself and friends, we saw 8th ed as their best time for being transparent and engaging with the community; a warm feeling that many of us felt likened to back in 3rd and 4th. It's sad to see them tank all that good will.
"Which other miniature games do you also play or collect" is the oddest way of GW asking us which game systems they should try and copy.
Our go after legally. See if they can find a way to shut them down with legal burden.
Is it not a good thing if they take ideas from other systems? Especially if people really like them
@@KhaeosLoL steal IP then fight others in court over that same IP which they now claim is theirs.
Just business as usual at GW.
@@KhaeosLoL it is, when GW does it with their usual skill level of rules writing, which is "none at all". And as stated previously, it means that if they see a portion of their market share being taken up by someone, they might look into if they can sue them out of the competition.
Until I see otherwise, all actions by GW are equally potentially bad, yes.
@@youtubevanced4900 Catalyst Game Labs: You stand there thinking you’re the first one with that idea. You’d be wrong, our IP has survived far worse legal trouble than you could possibly imagine.
I think the biggest reasons why they're losing players is the high prices, slow codex releases, and barely band-aiding the rules/dumb rule changes.
9th has turned into 7th.
Looks like it’s a result of feedback they’ve got from Adepticon. When they heard complains in person they took them more seriously.
Or they are pretending to
I love how they are just checking to see how much their rule updates cause purchases. But I love it in a "hate this world" way.
I'm fairly sure GW have been very aware of their competition, at least the major ones. I don't expect them to know what, for example, Turnip28 is. But all the biggest alternative games are probably, on some level, on GW's radar.
What surprises me is them acknowledging the existence of their competition publicly. GW's approach has seemed to be "pretend there is nothing but Games Workshop and Games Workshop products". A while back, they tried to call it "the Games Workshop hobby".
That they're letting the names of these other games pass their metaphorically lips, such that people who are taking the survey might learn about other games, attests to the precarious place GW occupies at the moment.
Oh yeah, I 100% agree with you. I'm surprised they're mentioning their competition (& they had some deep cuts in there like Warhammer Armies Projects). They've traditionally been SUPER reluctant to even mention themselves as being adjacent to any other miniatures games
And even acknowledging that changes in the meta will drive sales is a big deal imo.
@@DiscourseMinis Interesting to me though they didn't mention any of the popular WWII or WWIII games. No Warlord Games and no Battlefront either.
@@DiscourseMinis what amazes me is the fact that they mention BattleTech. The two game systems have been around for about the same amount of time. Both have accompanying novels. And a metric shed load of Source material. BattleTech problems started with the original company owners deciding to retire. The instead of the taking their company public they decided to take their company and reimagine it as a holding company. Turning their IP over to another company to develop. After a few years the boss of the new company decided to head for the Hills with all the Bank. A new company Catalyst games labs was eventually found and they are holding fast to the two biggest advantages that BattleTech has. It is a dynamic universe meaning that things do progress but the rules themselves are mostly this same as they were at the beginning. Once you get the rules down you don't have to worry about in a couple of years learning a whole new set of rules at the most one or two minor changes might have been made. You get those rules down playing with just a couple of mechs per side. Then for bigger battles you can move up to either Alpha strike or just stay with the basic rules. And when you get everything down you can play Campaign like the one I'm in. Where the fleet of the Jade Falcon Clan has just entered a Lyran Federation Planet system have engaged in a fleet battle and am currently moving in to engage planetary defenses and finally the ground invasion. Because when the whole system is in use oh, you have all the rules you need for all of that.
@@JasonRoe71 I like to think that they have enough shame that people like Rick Priestley, Alessio Salvatore and Paul Sawyer became disaffected with them. Those names were Warhammer, they are the ones who build that company in truth.
@@charlesentrekin140 harmony gold happened
The one big thing that always perplexed me for WH+ is that if they had just put the official batreps, lore videos painting shows on youtube, and leased out the distribution rights for the animations to netflix or one of its competitors, that would get warhammer in front of the eyes of audiences not already super familiar with the ip.
They would get money off of adsense and the netflix deal, and it's adverstisement on top of that! It's such an easy win! Why won't they take the win?
I think that would be a good idea in general, but then again, considerin how woke and crappy so many Netflix shows have turned out recently, also one that makes me shudder. Imagine Wh40k getting a special treatment by _two_ parties that don't really care about it and have jumped on the woke train, I can hear Tzeentch laughing even over here in Germany.
@@Furzkampfbomber science fiction is inherently political. That doesn't mean you can't enjoy it for reasons other than its politics.
But, fundamentally, the warhammer 40k setting is a bunch of bad ideologies cranked up to 11. There are no good guys.
@@arly803 No, science fiction is not inherently political, that is, with all respect, nonsense.
It surely always had the potential to ponder political ideas or to offer social criticism, but this is by no means a 'must'.
Even such an epos like Asimov's 'Foundation Saga' is _not_ political, even though I understand why a lot of people seem to think that it is, since it has _a lot_ of politics in it. But in the end, at the core of the saga Asimov ponders over human nature, just like in his robot stories, this was _always_ the very core of Asimov's work. And doing so is not political per se.
And no, just because Wh40k basically describes a fascist, xenophobic theocracy, the whole universe and the stories from it is not political per se. I mean, you surely can read that into it, but then again, this is true for pretty much anything. I could write you an essay explaining why smurf village is a totalitarian communist system with Papa Smurf basically being Stalin that would make you look at those harmless smurfs with _very_ different eyes, but does that mean this is, because smurfs are inherently political?
And you are missing the most important point here - Netflix and GW are hammering woke politics into things that are not _meant_ to be political, let alone _woke,_ for heaven's sake. Just look at what happened to anything that suffered from that fate: Doctor Who, Star Trek, Star Wars, James Bond, Mad Max, the whole bloody Marvel universe, both that in the comics and that in the MCU. Look how all those shows and franchises have turned out, most of them are pretty much dead or empty, husks by now begging everyone to end their suffering. And how well are the new Halo or LotR shows turning out thanks to wokism and 'inherent politics'?
_This_ is what I mean when I say that _two_ companies hammering politics and political agendas into Warhammer 40k might happen and _this_ is what scares me at the scenario of a Netflix Wh40k show. Even more so since whoever would get Wh40k into its hands most likely _will_ want to have this sweet, sweet PG13 rating and turn it into a children's show.
@@Furzkampfbomber just because you don't want to read into political subtext doesn't mean it isn't there.
And one does not need to intend political messaging for politics to affect a work. The authors politics always have an effect on how they write and what they write because one's politics is how they see the world.
@@arly803 Cool, that makes _everything_ political, even more so when you automatically hammer _your politics_ into everything that says, even the authors personal opinions, no matter how thoroughly he or she keeps them out of their work, has an influence on the book.
Apart from the fact that there are actually people out there who are utterly apolitical themselfes (but of course, not being interested in politics is a political statement in itself, isn't it - no way out of this trap), where would you draw the line?
Children's books? Cooking books? And I have a lot of old stuff in my bookshelfs, what do we do with that?
Let's see, Jules Verne's 'Journey to the Center of the Earth'... is that a political book?
The Epic of Gilgamesh, how about that?
H.G. Wells' 'War of the Worlds'?`
And the question here is not only if those writings are political, but also if what might have been political according to your statement that the Meta, the private opinions of an author can _not_ have no influence on writing and thus, make it political per se, but also how long this statement is valid.
What do you know about sumerian politics, exactly? About french politics of the late 1900th century and the opinions of Jules Verne?
And what about comics? Damn, I really hate it when Garfield promotes marxism, he almost turned me into a commie? Seriously?
Absolutely gutted - I got the email but by the time I got around to doing it, I was told the survey was over. I guess they switch it off once they hit quota. When they did the "heap big survey" the other year before plastic SoB came out I commented "stop pretending there aren't loads of other wargame products out there" so I'd like to claim responsibility for that question getting in.
Try it again, I just completed it.
I really felt it when she said "alone" really really really felt it. Like really .....
There's collectibles but made by other brands. Example Bandai with their Primaris Intercessor LIMITED edition. Costs at least $500 USD. But quality is God tier (You know... the makers of Gundam?) Mcfarlane Toys also made some Space Marine toys
2 things…
1. Is Street Hammer like Street Countdown?
2. After your awesome Discourse Frasier episode my wife and I have started binge re-watching Frasier. I grew up watching Frasier whilst in secondary school. I realised last night that I am now as old as Kelsey Grammer was in season 1. I was sad.
Watching this was like Crait from Star Wars; a thick crusting of salt cracking apart, to expose a rich, red, moist layer of enthusiastic algae underneath.
"... they don't have Shudder." Can Discourse be any cooler?
very accurate description
Primaris ripped off my rose-colored-fan-boi glasses. Floating tanks? Different armor for every weapon? Vanillafication of every chapter? So dumb, and everyone lapped it right up. No one wanted to tell the emperor the truth about his new clothes.
"When do you pruchase warhammer?" "When I have a depressive episode and am therefore more vulnerable and prone to my ADHD-addictive behaviours"
Fuck it hurts lmfaoooo
@@bigch33se11 yep. And that's exactly why I bought GW products for the past few years. :'D
So if we all paint alone are we really alone? I couldn't agree more about using painting to help unwind. I try to paint a few minutes most days to help bring down stress and unlike other hobbies it doesn't add to my stress. If I don't have a good night painting it isn't the end of the world.
I've got my hobby budget under strict control, with spreadsheets and everything. I learned the hard way that I can't be trusted with my own money unless I track EVERYTHING.
Thanks for uploading this. These questions are indeed very interesting. I cannot wait when you upload the (possible) effect it might have had on their decisions.
I got the survey too, feel like as jaded as we can get about GW's marketing practices; giving them the data is the only way for them to improve.
Fantastic analysis. Thanks for letting us participate in your survey!
Your vids get better and better each week and never fail to make me laugh. Thank you for performing a vital service for consumers.
16:49 It's surprising that they acknowledge it, but it's clear that they've known it for years.
They're either genuinely ignorant or willfully ignorant of how their own community perceives them. Either way, it's a pitiful excuse for a company that large to be this out of touch.
Both is probably true at different levels. The activists at the lower echelons are willfully ignorant because everyone who isnt loved by r/siegmarxism is a niatzi and the upper Management is genuinely ignorant because none of them ever touched a dice outside of a casino.
@Discourse Miniatures
You should absolutely check out the warhammer armies project.
They have a great set if rules that really builds on and improves what 8th edition was with a few key changes. They have also made full PDF army books that combine units from all the editions plus hundreds of pages of lore for them. They also have armies that were mentioned or had white dwarf rule sets fleshed out to be full factions.
Unlike 9th age (which aims for a Total balanced and therefore in my opinion restrictive and uninteresting game) W.A.P has made a game that really feels like warhammer with buildings you can enter, fun special characters and flexible list builds.
You should check out Battletech, the grass is pretty green over here.
Is it weird that the competitors section of the survey feels more like an advertisement for other games to me than GW trying to improve?
Nope. What's weird is how many of those competitors are their own former products, that they threw away like cheap rubbish, and told players that they would not be missed!
THAT is the weird part.
I imagine that anyone who has been sent the survey would know about most of these games already.
Dawn of War and Total War got me into Warhammer. The LOTR rts by EA was so good, the controls were great on console.
Maybe they left out Warlord Games because they're still hurting after Rick Priestley's betrayal
I guess if you go into inescapable debt buying miniatures, you're kind of buying miniatures every day?
in a sense, sure!
I spend roughly 500 a month on miniatures but its split between Warhammer and dnd.
That's a heck of a lot of hobbying!
@@axanax2534 i love the hobby and its technically a casual job. But yeah been looking at 3d printers, cant find orcs with AK anywhere.
Always a pleasure seeing your videos while I paint stuff !
I got the invite to take a survey and as soon as I selected that I'm already a WH+ subscriber it ended. They needed to ask me if I plan to renew...
That's strange, I'm also a subscriber but I wasn't booted out of the survey.
Miniature agnostic rules have become the most important aspect for me during past few years. I happily buy models from a song of ice and fire and conquest for example and mix them in my armies if the overall aesthetics match the vision I have.
@38:00 that's not how they sell - they genuinely don't care much for the "time vampires" especially in stores
if I got this, a lot of the responses would be "is it the fan-made ones or the GW-sponsored ones? cos i definitely watch a lot of YT lore and painters" Like I listen to Baldemort and AmberKing whenever they release (And sometimes MK)
My opinion is one of the best things they can do would be to create events to get people to hobby together. Especially after the pandemic where people have been cooped up for over a year, being able to meet other people and form relationships would be a positive impact on the community. Most of this other content would be good during the pandemic if there was more of it (like the stuff in Warhammer+), but I feel like contributing to a post pandemic recovery would help. This would also involve slashing their prices to get people to show up. Everyone's cost of living is going up, even for well-off folks like software engineers who can work from home and therefore cut out gas costs. Because now they're also taking on higher electric bills, food costs, etc.
Me and the street sharks love playin STREET HAMMER in the back alley of o'hans with all the alley friends just chilling in the trash, one guy pulled out a chocolate vaccine and gave it to billy boy and he took it and he didnt talk for like 8 hours he just stared at the leaking walls. Street hammer is legit. 10/10 game
This was the survey I got sent. Managed to complete all of it and submit it
Hahaha. I got this survey a few days ago. My first thought was… I hope they send this to discourse!
Came here cause someone linked your vid in the 9th Age forum. Actually you come across very authentic- love the dark humour, subbed😁
Recently I spend less than $50 a month on GW products, but I've been spending about that on 3d resin.
Every time GW angers me, I order four mechs of Battletech. Sometimes I average $50 every two weeks, if they're being particularly talkative!
I got the last one, I wander if they're going to send me this new one. That was fun but i got sad at the same time about being alone when hobbying. We should all have a hangout day on discord and just paint or build and gasbag for a couple of hours once a month or something.
Some of my happiest moments are alone surrounded by miniatures ^_^
Thanks for doing this video and thanks for the reminder to fill out my survey!
I really hope they take the feedback and start implementing real changes. One of my complaints and maybe it’s because I misunderstood the marketing, but I honestly thought we got an Audible or Kindleunlimited like subscription to BlackLibrary to sort of hold us over until they got more shows available. I’m hoping that is their next move. I think it would be worth it at that point, even if it’s just a limited number per month. Also, glad you threw in PDF reader for the Vault. I’m shocked that no one internally said “this online reader is garbage and even worse if I’m trying to use a mobile or tablet device!”.
Great job.
It really tells you what their focus is on when "playing the game" is 75% down the list of "what do you do within the Warhammer universe"
Hey we make games... what do you think people do? Listen to audio books of course!
As hard as Malifaux is to assemble the figures are all on their own frames or individual section of said frames so it's easier to figure how a figure is assembled without the instructions.
Still takes half an hour for three dudes.
Their old minis were so, so much worse. Points of contact less than a millimeter around...
Wow, subtle but truly evil. There's this marketing concept of "lexicalization of a brand name". That means when a brand name becomes the synonim of a product. For example calling any darkish fizzy drink Coke, even if they might be Pepsi or whatever brand. They are trying to make us associate the wargaming hobby exclusively to warhammer. That's why it says "warhammer hobby". Every question is about wargaming in general, not just 40K, AOS or Middle Earth. They are subtlely trying to make us think of wargaming as "warhammering". Surprised you didn't notice that Discourse.
Oh I've noticed it :) they do this a lot.
@@DiscourseMinis evil corporation being evil
Wont they lose their brand name like Tempo did? So that everybody can copy them?
I watched Hammer and Bolter "In the Garden of Ghosts". You would love the way Space Marines are portrayed in it. It was a very good shift in perspective.
Came for battletech... stayed for the interesting video, nice one :)
I spent over $1000 in February right before they increased the prices, and I will happily not spend any more (except maybe on paint refills) for the next year and a half or two years, (or until they release very specific stuff I'm waiting for like primaris space wolves..) So my monthly expenditures for the last 2 months is 0 dollars.
Yeah that test made me realize how lonely of a road the warhammer/ hobby world is for me
Yay, I finally got to see what was in there after they booted me out, I had a feeling it was going to be good.
Ironically, GW seems to be so intent on being tight fisted with their IP and maximizing monetization by nickel and diming their existing customers that they are missing out on growth opportunities. Fewer paywalls and lower prices would likely expand their customer base and lead to even higher revenues.
Totally agreed
I am rather impressed how excited you got filling out a survey. Even more so, how the leading questions seem to show GW is well aware of what their customers find important. The real question will be if they act on the results in a "good" way. Thanks for this walkthrough.
Great video! It’s expensive to try and bring new people in, versus cater to you base. But you were spot on about new players being the life blood. They cap their ceiling by not reinvesting some of the dough they make in bring in new fans. They seem to rely in the game stores and parents dragging their kids into the hobby. Speaking from experience. :)
i like your videos and value your opinions. its like hearing myself saying the quiet part out loud.
I got that survey…..was about 2-3 weeks ago. I said Warhammer + has too much negative feedback from UA-cam for me to subscribe monthly but I’d consider paying 10 quid a year until the content is worth a monthly subscription of £5.
I bought Gaslands rulebook the other day for €15, with it, it includes anything il ever need to run a game with the exception of terrain and boxcars, this is their competition
I hope James Workshop learns something from the survey. We hobby people vote with our wallet.
They use to have a tool that let them know the opinions of their community in real time. The forums, then they shut them down.
Speech is the most liberating tool humans have at their disposal, those that shut it down are afraid of the truth.
Other brands have forums, they arn't afraid of their customers so they don't silence them.
Basic editor checking failed? - Check! Must be Games Workshoop. Whoops!
secret greenscreen :D
Hey that was some entertaining survey, thanks to your input 😀 was fun watching as we seem to agree on a whole lot.
Some low key existential threat in that survey, new evolution of pressure tactics maybe? 😬
On "not mentioning Warlord games", possible legal thing happening or acquisition planned?
Overall a surprisingly self aware showing from GW 👍
I just started playing Bolt Action, and if GW acquires Warlord I will quit.
Given Warlord was founded and is owned by guys GW made redundant ...
I wonder if GW will ever put this survey out to the public? I bet they would not like the response
> Survey sent to select few
> Discource got it
I expected "Oi, ya wanna got yar knickapc broken, y'git?! Nah? Then stop talking well about our product"
If they made warhammer plus half the price it is now, I would consider it. I would also be more willing to consider it if they open up the options for their two limited edition figures they have behind it.
The disrespect to Shudder triggered my fight or flight, and I am ready to throw hands.
i'll back you up on that
@@DiscourseMinis protect Shudder and The Last Drive In at all costs,
This has been my favorite video you have ever done.
There was a time in GW's history, where they were all about the new players and basically ignored existing customers. In other words - unless you actually bought something (or a lot of somethings at once rather), you did not exist. So in light of that, this is an interesting change of pace. The balancing act for GW here is really tough and although I am barely invested in their products and play/try basically everything BUT GW's games I do feel one should recognize their intent of makeing every potential source of income (new players and existing customers alike) happy or at the very least keep them interested in them as a company.
As soon as you typed my mini factory the screen went dark. It was just an ad, but I laughed... Hard.
Battletech was the first miniature war game I ever played back in 1989....ahhh memories
Heheh, streethammer.
You cannot, it is too dangerous!
What's dangerous about it?
It can get quite cold.
_Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Battletech community?_
*dabs forehead*
I did this survey a week or two ago, and I really hope they take the feedback and act on it. My guess though, is that much like the company I work for and their semi-annual employee climate survey, they'll take the results, realize the results are both negative and trending downward, and just pretend like the survey never existed.
Where is this survey?
@@johncloud3823 I got it in my email
I'm actually a bit sad you haven't been able to try out Frostgrave/Stargrave games before, they are great miniature agnostic game rife with chances for epic story telling and humorous moments. If you get the chance please give them a try, I honestly think they are some of the best games currently out
I've heard so many great things about them! I jumped aboard the McCullogh hype train with Silver Bayonet but i want to reach back and try the graves systems
I second this. If you have checked out Reign in Hell those guys are also coming out with a new Sci-Fi Skirmish game in June/July too
I really tried to love frostgrave. My friend even built a lovely table for it but the rules are simply so unballanced that a single spell dominates the game and pretty much every competetive game revolves around finding ways to fire off as much elemental bolts as possible or preventing tbe enemy from doing so while the npcs and treasure becomes a sideshow.
I have a Gastromancer chef (summoner) with a warband of Gingerbread men i made from greenstuff, very literally its an insanely imaginitive game
@@KT-pv3kl you can play co op adventures with expansions
It’s hard to agree on the terrain part as I used to make my own terrain and so did my friends and nothing we made holds a hand to the beautiful plastic terrain gw make !
Wow this really is like an abusive relationship - not only do they treat us horribly in so many ways but they're completely baffled why we hate them so much.
If we have to point out the reasons why to them then i fear there is not much hope for us.
Whilst I regard your general format and approach to be clickbait, I do have to give you some measure of props for the points raised here. Good work.
"Remember, the first rule of Streethammer is to... tell everybody about Streethammer, because it's a great game!"
*Was that an IT Crowd reference???*
Had to look back at when. I got the survey on April 4, and filled it out. Located in the USA and have WH+.