International Mathematical Olympiad 1962 Problem 2

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  • @swift3564
    @swift3564 3 роки тому +24

    A quicker solution:
    The √ function takes in non-negative arguments, so -1≤x≤3
    The function f(x)=√(3-x)-√(1+x) is strictly decreasing for x∈[-1,3], so by IVT there exists a unique a such that f(a)=1/2
    It can be shown that f(1-√(31)/8)=1/2, therefore the range of solutions is [-1,1-√(31)/8)

  • @MathZoneKH
    @MathZoneKH 3 роки тому +2

    You’re make my day ! This is a good videos for me .keep it up sir

    • @shen144
      @shen144 3 роки тому +1

      Grammar 100

  • @abhinavsingh6616
    @abhinavsingh6616 3 роки тому +13

    can you make video about explaining inequalities in arbitrary function in which can you explain tangent line trick, Jensen/karmata and n-1EV trick please... its seems difficult i m just mugged it up and using now but i want some feel of these so can you explain
    thanks for the video though...

  • @user-mx8sj1nc6v
    @user-mx8sj1nc6v 3 роки тому +5

    I drew y= (3-x)^0.5 and the other function, y=(x+1)^0.5 + 0.5 We expect one intersection negative-point. [ One is increasing and the other is decreasing ]. It should be basic to draw such functions.

  • @MyOneFiftiethOfADollar
    @MyOneFiftiethOfADollar 3 роки тому +12

    Easier is to graph root(3-x) and root(1+x) by hand to observe [_1,3] is domain. Then set root(3-x) - root(1+x) =1/2 to get right endpoint of [_1,0.3)

  • @brumarul7481
    @brumarul7481 3 роки тому +14

    That's the only problem on your channel that I was able to solve...

  • @FranInMagna
    @FranInMagna 3 роки тому +2

    1°.- Sqrt(3-x)-sqrt(1+x)>1/2
    2°.- Sqrt(3-x)>1/2+-sqrt(1+x)
    3°.- (sqrt(3-x)^2>(1/2+sqrt(1+x))^2
    4°.- 3-x>1/4+sqrt(1+x)+1+x
    5°.- 12/4+-1/4>sqrt(1+x)+2x
    6°.- 49/16>(sqrt(1+x)+2x)^2
    7°.- 49/16>1+x+4x^2+4x*sqrt(1+x)
    Si dices que sqrt(1+x) = t, y 5°=7° sale que t es igual a un cierto valor de grado distinto a 1/2, despejas y resuelves

  • @anonymous_4276
    @anonymous_4276 3 роки тому +9

    Substituting v=1-x makes life much easier while solving this one.

  • @oskarjung6738
    @oskarjung6738 3 роки тому +8

    You should have shown that inequality at the very beginning when you squared both sides. Because, that is where it arises from.
    When you squared both sides extra solutions from √(1+x)-√(3-x)>1/2
    came into it.

    • @Dharmarajan-ct5ld
      @Dharmarajan-ct5ld 3 роки тому

      This aspect comes more clearly in an Olympiad question which video I shall put in my channel in a day (how extraneous solutions creep in(). Best wishes

    • @particleonazock2246
      @particleonazock2246 3 роки тому

      You are entitled to eat your own opinions. :?

    • @touhami3472
      @touhami3472 3 роки тому

      Sqrt(3-x)-sqrt(1+x) > 1/2
      Sqrt(3-x) > 1/2 +sqrt(1+x) same way as:
      Sqrt(A) > p+ sqrt(B)
      A > p^2 +B +2psqrt(B)
      A-B-p^2 > 2psqrt(B)
      { (A-B-p^2) ^2 > 4Bp^2 ●
      A-B-p^2 >= 0 and B>=0 ■ }
      ● gives x < x1= [8 - sqrt(31)] /8
      or x > x2= [8+sqrt(31)] /8
      ■ gives -1

    • @oskarjung6738
      @oskarjung6738 3 роки тому +1

      @@touhami3472
      Sorry you are wrong at one point. Sqrt(A) > p + sqrt(B) does not
      A> p^2 + B + 2*p*sqrt(B)
      This is completely true only when modulus of LHS> modulus of RHS.
      If p was very negative this double implication would falter.
      For ex:-
      √2> -10 + √2
      But when you square both sides
      2> 100+2-20√2
      Which is clearly not true.

    • @touhami3472
      @touhami3472 3 роки тому

      @@oskarjung6738
      you're right, but here p is Positive reel ( stricly).
      I thought to precise it but it seems evident because if p= -1/2, i would write :
      Sqrt(3-x)- sqrt(x+1) > -1/2
      sqrt(x+1) < 1/2 + sqrt(3-x) wich is in same general case:
      Sqrt(A) < p + sqrt(B) where the both sides are POSITIVES : necessery condition before squaring.
      Thanks.

  • @stefanomarchesani7684
    @stefanomarchesani7684 4 місяці тому

    I really enjoy your videos, and probably someone already pointed this out. Yet, here we are.. in my opinion the condition 3-x > x+1 should have been enforced the first time you squared both sides. Indeed, the function f(x)=x^2 is injective only on subintervals of either (-infty, 0] or [0, +infty). Thus, being the left hand side (1/4) positive, in order to square both sides and obtain a equivalent inequality you must have sqrt(3-x) - sqrt(1+x), which is equivalent to 3-x > 1+x (of course, subject to the existence conditions 3-x>=0 and 1+x >=0).
    Still, loving your videos: keep up the good work! 😀

  • @LittleLion72
    @LittleLion72 3 роки тому +1

    Nice..

  • @qentrepreneurship9987
    @qentrepreneurship9987 3 роки тому +1

    I love it🎶🎵🌞

  • @theevilmathematician
    @theevilmathematician 3 роки тому

    I used a different method: √(3-x) - √(1+x) > 1/2 can be written as √(3-x)> 1/2 + √(x+1), when adding (x+1) to both sides. There are 2 cases for 1/2 + √(x+1). When 1/2 + √(x+1)

  • @hohowan7e
    @hohowan7e 3 роки тому

    try to SUB x =0, 1 , 100 etc, then find out 1 positive and 1 negative value and compare the trend to find out the answer.

  • @shivamvishwekar3652
    @shivamvishwekar3652 3 роки тому +17

    Isn't this question different from the actual one that appeared in the exam?

  • @ketanrastogi1107
    @ketanrastogi1107 3 роки тому +4

    This same kind of question was asked in indian high school level exam,
    Known as NTSE STAGE 1, and i have qualified that exam.
    This question does not seems to be of IMO Level, i am confused 🤔

    • @buithihai817
      @buithihai817 3 роки тому +1

      It is also asked in Viet Nam high school exam too with even more difficult level.

    • @ketanrastogi1107
      @ketanrastogi1107 3 роки тому +1

      @@buithihai817 yeah, this is a very basic question.

    • @Rubiks892
      @Rubiks892 2 роки тому +1

      this is one of the first few IMOs, so thats why

  • @0987uriel
    @0987uriel 2 роки тому

    I like

  • @davidseed2939
    @davidseed2939 3 роки тому +1

    make it easier by multiplying by 64? no! easier by completing the square. xx-2x +1> 31/64, (x-1)^2>31/64
    gives x> 1+ sqrt(31)/8 or x< 1-sqrt(31)/8, Then eliminate spurious soln. and apply original sqrt contraints.

  • @ytsimontng
    @ytsimontng 3 роки тому +2

    What about letting u = sqrt(3-x), s.t. u^2=3-x, x=3-u^2, x+1=4-u^2, sqrt(x+1)=sqrt(4-u^2) and now let u=2cos(t) s.t. sqrt(4-u^2)=2sin(t). Now solve cos(t) - sin(t) > 1/4

    • @simonelicciardi114
      @simonelicciardi114 3 роки тому

      Finally a cool solution!

    • @anonymous_4276
      @anonymous_4276 3 роки тому

      You'd need arccos in this case though. So gotta have a calculator ready.

    • @ytsimontng
      @ytsimontng 3 роки тому

      @@anonymous_4276 not necessarily though, if you solve for cos(t). Let sin(t)=sqrt(1-cos^2(t)). The quadratic will give one valid answer for cos(t) and since u=2cos(t) no inverse function is needed.

    • @anonymous_4276
      @anonymous_4276 3 роки тому +1

      @@ytsimontng but then there's no point in making the trigonometric substitution.

    • @ytsimontng
      @ytsimontng 3 роки тому

      @@anonymous_4276 True

  • @Exellent1
    @Exellent1 2 роки тому +1

    So ez for me with graphic

  • @sohalmalviya1367
    @sohalmalviya1367 2 роки тому

    Easy peasy for jee aspirants

  • @user-jj6jb6ii9c
    @user-jj6jb6ii9c 3 роки тому +3

    Разве это сложно?

  • @SimchaWaldman
    @SimchaWaldman 3 роки тому +7

    02:40 Really???
    All you had to do is move the fraction to the RHS and complete the square!!! 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♂️

  • @annamalaisriram7256
    @annamalaisriram7256 3 роки тому

    Can you explain Putnam 1996 problem A6 ?

  • @reckless_r
    @reckless_r 11 місяців тому

    It was so easy for owr years…

  • @ucNguyen-uo5fh
    @ucNguyen-uo5fh 3 роки тому

    F(x)-1/2>0

  • @user71234
    @user71234 Рік тому

    Can anyone kindly explain why x is smaller than the smaller root or larger than the larger root

    • @iMíccoli
      @iMíccoli 8 місяців тому

      Because √3-x mist be larger than √x+1 if that doesn't happen will have something negative that's great than 1/2 which is not true. We need a set of solutions for which √3-x is going to outake √x+1 so the left side of the equation is positive and greater than 1/2.

  • @alexminsky1
    @alexminsky1 3 роки тому

    This answer seems to be incomplete. I think you should also consider the domain of the x, which is -1

  • @nanditagarai7022
    @nanditagarai7022 3 роки тому +1

    -1

  • @youssefch4712
    @youssefch4712 3 роки тому

    We can use delta 🔼

    • @youssef9795
      @youssef9795 3 роки тому +2

      You are from morroco 😅😅😅🤣

    • @youssefch4712
      @youssefch4712 3 роки тому +1

      @@youssef9795 yees 😂

    • @youssef9795
      @youssef9795 3 роки тому +2

      😂 😂 😂 😂

    • @youssefch4712
      @youssefch4712 3 роки тому +1

      @@youssef9795 hit glte delta 😂😂😂 z3ma hdrt b fr 😂😂😂

    • @youssef9795
      @youssef9795 3 роки тому +1

      @@youssefch4712 anglais

  • @anoopmishra2695
    @anoopmishra2695 3 роки тому +3

    Its gets more easier if you find allowed values for x which is = [-1,3]
    And then solve by inequality.

    • @touhami3472
      @touhami3472 3 роки тому

      x must be in [-1; 7/8]
      If x in }-1;3] the intervalle (1+sqrt(31)/8; 3] would be solution too.
      Sqrt(3-x)-sqrt(1+x) > 1/2
      Sqrt(3-x) > 1/2 +sqrt(1+x) same way as:
      Sqrt(A) > p+ sqrt(B)
      A > p^2 +B +2psqrt(B)
      A-B-p^2 > 2psqrt(B)
      { (A-B-p^2) ^2 > 4Bp^2 ●
      A-B-p^2 >= 0 and B>=0 ■ }
      ● gives x < x1= [8 - sqrt(31)] /8
      or x > x2= [8+sqrt(31)] /8
      ■ gives -1

    • @anoopmishra2695
      @anoopmishra2695 3 роки тому +1

      @@touhami3472According to rule of square root we cannot put the values of x which gives negative result.
      Hence we can put all values of x where it gives either positive result or zero thats why
      x belongs to [-1,3]
      if still you have any doubt you can check by putting values of x in between [-1,3] 🙃

    • @touhami3472
      @touhami3472 3 роки тому

      @@anoopmishra2695
      The inequality gives two sets of solutions s1=[-1, 1-sqrt(31)/8) and s2=(1+sqrt(31)/8, 3]
      Notice that both sets are include in [-1,3].
      So why s1 works but not s2?

    • @user-gg1ds1bq5n
      @user-gg1ds1bq5n 3 роки тому +1

      @@touhami3472 because if you try any number in s2,the inequation does not exict,because all s2 numbers will be 1/2

    • @touhami3472
      @touhami3472 3 роки тому

      @@user-gg1ds1bq5n
      The solutions must.be.in [-1, 7/8] , no in [-1, 3]. ( see proof above).
      So all x in [-1, x1=1-sqrt(31)/8 ] work because [-1, x1] is INCLUDED IN [-1,7/8].
      But why [x2=1+sqrt(31)/8 , 3] who is included in [-1,3] does not work ?
      Answer: because it is not included in [-1,7/8] , the good intervalle .

  • @mathevengers1131
    @mathevengers1131 3 роки тому

    Here's link to a video of fractional calculus:
    ua-cam.com/video/yI6GAWcrKfY/v-deo.html

  • @rahimfeni6024
    @rahimfeni6024 3 роки тому +1

    Rahim

  • @jakobbensch6620
    @jakobbensch6620 2 роки тому

    0?

  • @danmimis4576
    @danmimis4576 2 роки тому +1

    I don't understand as to why was this an IMO problem: it has nothing tricky or elegant about it, just any 7th grader should be able to solve it ...

    • @mathsfamily6766
      @mathsfamily6766 2 роки тому

      I agree with you!

    • @iMíccoli
      @iMíccoli 8 місяців тому

      Dude, IMO has got harder for the past decades, in 1960 things were easier than today. Do you think IMO level questions are this easy nowdays? The level has risen

  • @mathserreurs2479
    @mathserreurs2479 3 роки тому

    x=2 is not proof .
    Thanks for calculus.

  • @FranInMagna
    @FranInMagna 3 роки тому

    Its too easy

  • @abhijitovichput-inpapavich7830
    @abhijitovichput-inpapavich7830 3 роки тому +1

    sir i think there is a mistake .. u cannot suare the lhs of the inequality coz we dont have adequate info about its sign on lhs .so what i did was to take it to rhs and then square the entire expression

    • @oenrn
      @oenrn 3 роки тому

      We know it's > 1/2, and thus it has to be positive.

    • @touhami3472
      @touhami3472 3 роки тому

      The mistake is in first step:
      Before squaring, sqrt(3-x)- sqrt(x+1)>=0 ===> 3-x>= x+1>=0 .
      Then x must be in [-1; 1]
      Under this restriction, thd set of solutions is only [-1, 1-sqrt(31)/8).
      Another way:
      Sqrt(3-x)-sqrt(1+x) > 1/2
      Sqrt(3-x) > 1/2 +sqrt(1+x) same way as: p>0,
      Sqrt(A) > p+ sqrt(B)
      A > p^2 +B +2psqrt(B)
      A-B-p^2 > 2psqrt(B)
      { (A-B-p^2) ^2 > 4Bp^2 ●
      A-B-p^2 >= 0 and B>=0 ■ }
      ● gives x < x1= [8 - sqrt(31)] /8
      or x > x2= [8+sqrt(31)] /8
      ■ gives -1

    • @touhami3472
      @touhami3472 3 роки тому

      @@oenrn we know it is >1/2 but it DEPENDS of x.
      So, sqrt(3-x)-sqrt(x+1)>=0 ==> x-3>=x+1>=0 ==> -1

    • @aprilalbert4589
      @aprilalbert4589 2 роки тому +1

      @@touhami3472 LHS = Left Hand Side ✋👍😊

    • @touhami3472
      @touhami3472 2 роки тому

      @@aprilalbert4589 Thank you very much.

  • @zombiekiller7101
    @zombiekiller7101 3 роки тому

    Bruh

  • @Dharmarajan-ct5ld
    @Dharmarajan-ct5ld 3 роки тому

    You could have shortened substantially. Please re consider the solution

    • @theevilmathematician
      @theevilmathematician 3 роки тому +1

      Here's my method: √(3-x) - √(1+x) > 1/2 can be written as √(3-x)> 1/2 + √(x+1), when adding (x+1) to both sides. There are 2 cases for 1/2 + √(x+1). When 1/2 + √(x+1)

    • @AlephThree
      @AlephThree 3 роки тому

      Shorter solutions are not necessarily better. Longer solutions can be easier to apply to other problems so more instructive, and you’re often less likely to go wrong under competition conditions (rather than trying to be overly elegant).

    • @Dharmarajan-ct5ld
      @Dharmarajan-ct5ld 3 роки тому

      @@theevilmathematician ""which means x< 1-. (√ 31 )/8" !! How did you straightaway conclude in one step after adding ""x+1 "" as you said ? Even if you meant adding ""√(x+1)'" how is conclusion so obvious ? Please explain.

    • @Dharmarajan-ct5ld
      @Dharmarajan-ct5ld 3 роки тому

      @@AlephThree Another reasoning could mean shorter solution !! Or simpler !! Why inequalities, quadratic etc etc ? 2 solutions will be put in a video by my name in few hours.

    • @theevilmathematician
      @theevilmathematician 3 роки тому

      @@Dharmarajan-ct5ld I did mean √(x+1). It is because when you arrive at √(3-x)> 1/2 + √(x+1), there is one identity I used. If √f(x)> g(x), then g(x)

  • @dfdxdfdydfdz
    @dfdxdfdydfdz 3 роки тому +8

    This one wasn’t hard

    • @user-ry6ey8gq3t
      @user-ry6ey8gq3t 3 роки тому

      Asian statement

    • @failsmichael2542
      @failsmichael2542 3 роки тому +5

      It was 60 years ago dude.

    • @dfdxdfdydfdz
      @dfdxdfdydfdz 3 роки тому

      @@failsmichael2542
      I know

    • @bourhinorc1421
      @bourhinorc1421 3 роки тому

      @@dfdxdfdydfdz Still, international math olympiad should not have been that easy, even 60 years ago, the difficlulty is supposed to be around the same since it's not about high level math but about difficult math (with arounf high school level question).

    • @theevilmathematician
      @theevilmathematician 3 роки тому

      This is an early IMO test in the 1960s, just a few years after the contest was formed in 1959. Earlier questions might be easy now, but back then, they were hard. IMO Questions now might be very hard, but probably within years, it would be very easy.

  • @Dharmarajan-ct5ld
    @Dharmarajan-ct5ld 3 роки тому +1

    A SIMPLE SOLUTION shall be given in a day in my video quoting logic wherein all these complexity can be omitted. Kindly consider. We need to be like JAPANESE"to shorten, miniaturise".

    • @theevilmathematician
      @theevilmathematician 3 роки тому

      This is a quick solution: √(3-x) - √(1+x) > 1/2 can be written as √(3-x)> 1/2 + √(x+1), when adding (x+1) to both sides. There are 2 cases for 1/2 + √(x+1). When 1/2 + √(x+1)

    • @touhami3472
      @touhami3472 3 роки тому

      @@theevilmathematician 1-sqrt(31)/8 excluded !

    • @theevilmathematician
      @theevilmathematician 3 роки тому

      @@touhami3472 i said that answer. -√(31)/8+1 = 1- √(31)/8. the case was not excluded.

    • @touhami3472
      @touhami3472 3 роки тому

      @@theevilmathematician yes i see. You're right .
      Sorry

    • @touhami3472
      @touhami3472 3 роки тому

      @@theevilmathematician
      Here a complete solution using same your begining statement:
      Sqrt(3-x)-sqrt(1+x) > 1/2
      Sqrt(3-x) > 1/2 +sqrt(1+x) same way as:
      Sqrt(A) > p+ sqrt(B)
      A > p^2 +B +2psqrt(B)
      A-B-p^2 > 2psqrt(B)
      { (A-B-p^2) ^2 > 4Bp^2 ●
      A-B-p^2 >= 0 and B>=0 ■ }
      ● gives x < x1= [8 - sqrt(31)] /8
      or x > x2= [8+sqrt(31)] /8
      ■ gives -1

  • @Dharmarajan-ct5ld
    @Dharmarajan-ct5ld 3 роки тому

    Today one (or few) more solutions, by different tools will be put by video in my channel (displayed name). Kindly consider. Best wishes

    • @touhami3472
      @touhami3472 3 роки тому

      This INEQUATION has form of:
      Sqrt(A)-sqrt(B) > 1/2 (1)
      From which one, you get:
      Sqrt(A)+ sqrt(B) < 4(1-x) (2)
      After squaring (1) and (2), you get:
      A+B -2sqrt(A)*sqrt(B) > 1/4 ●
      A+B +2sqrt(A)*sqrt(B) < 16(1-x)^2 ■
      ADDING BOTH sides, you get:
      2(A+B) = 1/4+16(1-x)^2 !!!
      So, why did you use '=' instead '>' or '' used in ●
      '

  • @nguyentuanminh7871
    @nguyentuanminh7871 3 роки тому

    Má sao dễ thế

  • @Dharmarajan-ct5ld
    @Dharmarajan-ct5ld 3 роки тому +1

    Alternate solution video uploaded just now. Reference my comments yesterday. Kindly consider. Best wishes. Different people think differently and this is what makes world beautiful.
    Better solutions exist
    .

    • @touhami3472
      @touhami3472 3 роки тому

      Can you explain why some comments on your new video has been removed ?
      Thank you very much pro fess or .

    • @touhami3472
      @touhami3472 3 роки тому

      You say " Different peoole think differently and this what makes world beautiful"
      Very nice, but why did you remove some comments in your video ?
      A few days ago, they are 26 and today 9 !!!!!!!

  • @cuongtu6088
    @cuongtu6088 2 роки тому

    it not good

  • @hughjwang2422
    @hughjwang2422 2 роки тому

    Poor explanation