Looks like the Old Spice deoderant i used to slice up and burn forever, like 30 years ago. My mom wondered why i used a lot..... but it was darn good at melting the faces off barbies that my sister's had, and some g.i. joes.
This is correct, however boiling 36% acetic acid indoors is very unwise, hence why I went with a lower percentage. Theoretically it should be safe if you measure out correct molar amounts of calcium carbonate to match, but to save time and simplify the process I added an excess of vinegar so as much safer to stay with the food grade stuff
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For most people that's probably the easiest source of calcium carbonate. I personally have an intolerance to eggs and therefore rarely eat them so it would likely take me a long time to collect enough eggshells to make any meaningful amount of calcium acetate
@@laurice8056 if you can find ones made from calcium carbonate those work great. The only ones I could find at the store near me were made from calcium sulfate so they wouldn't have worked.
If it's extremely well sealed, it will last a long time. Otherwise, the IPA will just evaporate out of it. It's not actually a chemical reaction, it's just that the calcium acetate gets suspended.
So long as the alcohol can't evaporate you'll be good storing it pretty much as long as you want. Really the only way it goes bad is that if the container is an airtight the alcohol will evaporate
What happens to the calcium acetate when the alcohol burns? It doesn't pollute the air, does it? If just the alcohol burns, can the remainder be reused in some way?
Thanks for stopping by! At the time of making this video I was only able to find chalks made from calcium sulfate including the Crayola ones I looked at when I went to the store. If I had shopped around more I'm sure I could have found the ones made of calcium carbonate as you suggest, but this was all really last minute. Tums do have quite a bit of sugar that would need to be removed just like the maltodextrin that needed to be removed from these pills, but mainly the reason I didn't use Tums is that Nile Red already did a video on making calcium acetate from Tums. In the end there are quite a few sources of calcium carbonate that can be used and in the case of the chalk would actually simplify everything quite a bit, but I wanted to try something a little different and see where it took me. Thanks for the time to reach out!
...Or you could just reacted deicing salt CaCl2 (dirty cheap) with Vinegar and them obtained Calcium acetate and HCl (that is really volatile) and left it to evaporate on a glass tray and the HCl will dissipate while leaving the Calcium Acetate.
Can anyone tell a complete novice if acetone is actually being released/burned during the burning of the gel (is it releasing a secondary combustant) or is it just burning the alcohol?
There pretty much the same price, but at the time of filming I assumed that there there are a few more additives in tums to deal with. Chemistry isn't necessarily my strong suit so I wanted to avoid as many complications as I could.
I have calcium carbonate I use to make chalk paint. It is quite pure and very fine powder. I would like to use it to make gel fuel for emergency stoves. Any advice??
It does not, using a more concentrated vinegar is actually faster since it reduces the amount of time you need to boil off the water in the final step. Just make sure you react enough calcium carbonate with it to use up all the acetic acid in the vinegar.
While that may be true for vinegar with low acidic content, I wanted to stress the importance of reacting all the acetic acid possible, as you can definitely run into heath problems when especially when boiling vinegar in the 10-22% acid by volume range. These concentrations are commonplace in areas such as eastern Europe and I wanted to make sure that anyone attempting this no matter where would be able to do so safely. It is also worth noting that when pickling, you do not boil the vinegar for nearly as long as you need to for this experiment, and that even with low concentration vinegar is would be unwise to boil this completely away if there is extra acid and you are processing large enough quantities. As for the the heat speeding up the reaction, while this would be the case for most chemical reactions, calcium acetate is one of a handful that that is not necessarily true for. As I mentioned, the solubility of calcium acetate in water is actually lower when it is hotter, causing it to drop out of solution more easily and making it harder to separate out from the un-reacted mixture. Not to mention that hot filtration is not fun do do under any circumstance, and I think you can see that a colder reaction is the clear winner.
@@elemental_workshop well I certainly see your point and being that I make my own fermented hot sauces with cayenne, Habanero and Ghost Pepper, where the capsaicin is liberated by simmering in vinegar during the cooking process at the end, for safety sake, I get it. The fermentation needs a Ph of 4.6 or lower to be shelf stable and safe, but I add 5% cider vinegar and cook at the end, to avoid pathogens. I have no experience with 10 to 22%. But I do understand the dangers inherent in boiling much stronger acids like hydrochloric, sulphuric, or phosphoric. Btw....wouldn't plain old chalk, not the sidewalk stuff work as well for this, barring there is something else in its matrix I am unaware of?? Thanks for the enlightenment!
@@elemental_workshop Oh that'll be a hoot😂one of my friends of 20 years owns Pepper Palace. I got into the whole extract thing with Blairs Death sauces years ago, but now I prefer a natural approach. As you might well imagine theres a lot of extract produced now days to keep these chillihoics happy. Cooking is chemistry in a crude form and I love the outdoors too. I'm disabled, so I have been quite interested in the production of a substance that can get moderately sized firewood going WITHOUT being explosive, illegal or just STUPID dangerous. I am quite sensitive to cold rainy weather, but I love the outdoors, camping etc, and I REALLY need to avoid hypothermia at all costs since I loose gross motor function rapidly due to cerebral palsy...hence I stumbled across your video...
@@tikkidaddy Glad to be of any help. You may want to check out trioxane tablets if you can get a hold of them any more, they burn pretty hot and can usually be found in military surplus stores if the calcium acetate doesn't work out for you. Incidentally, you can also by the calcium acetate/alcohol jelly from stores as those stoves they use to heat chaffing dishes
Looks like the Old Spice deoderant i used to slice up and burn forever, like 30 years ago. My mom wondered why i used a lot..... but it was darn good at melting the faces off barbies that my sister's had, and some g.i. joes.
Calcium carbonate - limestone.
In the garden section of some places you can get 36% white vinegar (used for weed killing actually).
This is correct, however boiling 36% acetic acid indoors is very unwise, hence why I went with a lower percentage. Theoretically it should be safe if you measure out correct molar amounts of calcium carbonate to match, but to save time and simplify the process I added an excess of vinegar so as much safer to stay with the food grade stuff
I ran 10% cleaning vinegar through my still and almost died when i opened it up lol 36% would've definitely ended me@@elemental_workshop
That was some violent blending lol
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Thanks! And yeah, I had to shake the blender a bit as the binder in the pills made them clump a little too much when they were first blended.
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It was cool to make fire jelly
How long will this burn?
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I don't see that anyone has suggested this... "egg shells". They are made almost entirely of the calcium you are looking for.
Other videos use egg shells.
For most people that's probably the easiest source of calcium carbonate. I personally have an intolerance to eggs and therefore rarely eat them so it would likely take me a long time to collect enough eggshells to make any meaningful amount of calcium acetate
@@elemental_workshopSome people have used plain white chalk sticks or powder.
@@laurice8056 if you can find ones made from calcium carbonate those work great. The only ones I could find at the store near me were made from calcium sulfate so they wouldn't have worked.
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Great experiment 👍 thanks to share
How long does the fire gel keep? Will it break down after a length of time or is it stable once in the gel form? Thanks! I really enjoyed the video.
If it's extremely well sealed, it will last a long time. Otherwise, the IPA will just evaporate out of it. It's not actually a chemical reaction, it's just that the calcium acetate gets suspended.
So long as the alcohol can't evaporate you'll be good storing it pretty much as long as you want. Really the only way it goes bad is that if the container is an airtight the alcohol will evaporate
What happens to the calcium acetate when the alcohol burns? It doesn't pollute the air, does it? If just the alcohol burns, can the remainder be reused in some way?
The calcium acetate is left behind and should be able to be reused
No what remains after all burned off is the calcium carbonate that can be converted back to calcium acetate by mixing the carbonate with vinegar.
You could use eggshells
Yes
TUMS is almost pure calcium carbonate as is crayola chalk. That would simplify your process.
Thanks for stopping by! At the time of making this video I was only able to find chalks made from calcium sulfate including the Crayola ones I looked at when I went to the store. If I had shopped around more I'm sure I could have found the ones made of calcium carbonate as you suggest, but this was all really last minute. Tums do have quite a bit of sugar that would need to be removed just like the maltodextrin that needed to be removed from these pills, but mainly the reason I didn't use Tums is that Nile Red already did a video on making calcium acetate from Tums. In the end there are quite a few sources of calcium carbonate that can be used and in the case of the chalk would actually simplify everything quite a bit, but I wanted to try something a little different and see where it took me. Thanks for the time to reach out!
Would that work to replace the propane flame on a gas fridge/freezer? Also, how long would a 1kg/1L sample last? Thanks.
That is probably your thermocouple being dirty/broken. Just replace it.
What is the practical difference between liquid alcohol vs gel? Does gel burn longer? How is it more practical?
If you tip both over by accident only one can be useable and put back in its container.
Is easier to light and won't spill
...Or you could just reacted deicing salt CaCl2 (dirty cheap) with Vinegar and them obtained Calcium acetate and HCl (that is really volatile) and left it to evaporate on a glass tray and the HCl will dissipate while leaving the Calcium Acetate.
acetic acid in presence of a stronger acid won't dissociate, and thus behave like a neutral compound.
How to store this correctly? I made some and it melted to running jelly in a day. Can I recreate solid form again?
I had the same problem. Did you ever find the answer?
@@shellymitchell9660 No I didn't. I asked the same in two other videos but got no answer. :(
Wouldn’t eggshells work?
They definitely would, however since I have a food intolerance to eggs I don't usually have eggshells
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Sounds a lot like napalm
who else thought he sounded like daily dose of internet in his intro
Can anyone tell a complete novice if acetone is actually being released/burned during the burning of the gel (is it releasing a secondary combustant) or is it just burning the alcohol?
The flame is hotter than the decomposition temperature of calcium acetate into acetone so I would guess that it is possible
Why not use common chalk??
Most whiteboard and sidewalk chalks are unfortunately made from calcium sulfate, which will not react with the vinegar to form calcium acetate
does it work with 70% alcohol
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Was Tums bottle more expensive than calcium supplement bottle?
There pretty much the same price, but at the time of filming I assumed that there there are a few more additives in tums to deal with. Chemistry isn't necessarily my strong suit so I wanted to avoid as many complications as I could.
In the beginning he sounded like daly does of internet
It does
I guess there's worse voices to have
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Does it work with 70% ethyl alcohol
In my experience,I does not.
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I have calcium carbonate I use to make chalk paint. It is quite pure and very fine powder. I would like to use it to make gel fuel for emergency stoves. Any advice??
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Does it have to be 5% vinegar
It does not, using a more concentrated vinegar is actually faster since it reduces the amount of time you need to boil off the water in the final step. Just make sure you react enough calcium carbonate with it to use up all the acetic acid in the vinegar.
ElementalWorkshop oh thanks
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Why don’t you buy the 99% pure calcium carbonate it seem to be pretty cheap ??
If you going to use the blender. There was no need to smash with a hammer
Yeah you're probably right, but my blenders on the way out and I didn't want to risk pushing it too hard just for the sake of saving a step.
I tried making this it did not work
What did you use as your source of calcium carbonate?
I am Indian and uhh
ARABIAN won the viniger battle
the only vinger in arabian countries is from 90-100%
If you've ever made PICKLES...you find out boiling vinegar will not kill you😂 in fact heating the vinegar would speed up your reaction.
While that may be true for vinegar with low acidic content, I wanted to stress the importance of reacting all the acetic acid possible, as you can definitely run into heath problems when especially when boiling vinegar in the 10-22% acid by volume range. These concentrations are commonplace in areas such as eastern Europe and I wanted to make sure that anyone attempting this no matter where would be able to do so safely. It is also worth noting that when pickling, you do not boil the vinegar for nearly as long as you need to for this experiment, and that even with low concentration vinegar is would be unwise to boil this completely away if there is extra acid and you are processing large enough quantities. As for the the heat speeding up the reaction, while this would be the case for most chemical reactions, calcium acetate is one of a handful that that is not necessarily true for. As I mentioned, the solubility of calcium acetate in water is actually lower when it is hotter, causing it to drop out of solution more easily and making it harder to separate out from the un-reacted mixture. Not to mention that hot filtration is not fun do do under any circumstance, and I think you can see that a colder reaction is the clear winner.
@@elemental_workshop well I certainly see your point and being that I make my own fermented hot sauces with cayenne, Habanero and Ghost Pepper, where the capsaicin is liberated by simmering in vinegar during the cooking process at the end, for safety sake, I get it. The fermentation needs a Ph of 4.6 or lower to be shelf stable and safe, but I add 5% cider vinegar and cook at the end, to avoid pathogens. I have no experience with 10 to 22%. But I do understand the dangers inherent in boiling much stronger acids like hydrochloric, sulphuric, or phosphoric.
Btw....wouldn't plain old chalk, not the sidewalk stuff work as well for this, barring there is something else in its matrix I am unaware of?? Thanks for the enlightenment!
@@elemental_workshop Oh that'll be a hoot😂one of my friends of 20 years owns Pepper Palace. I got into the whole extract thing with Blairs Death sauces years ago, but now I prefer a natural approach. As you might well imagine theres a lot of extract produced now days to keep these chillihoics happy.
Cooking is chemistry in a crude form and I love the outdoors too. I'm disabled, so I have been quite interested in the production of a substance that can get moderately sized firewood going WITHOUT being explosive, illegal or just STUPID dangerous. I am quite sensitive to cold rainy weather, but I love the outdoors, camping etc, and I REALLY need to avoid hypothermia at all costs since I loose gross motor function rapidly due to cerebral palsy...hence I stumbled across your video...
@@tikkidaddy Glad to be of any help. You may want to check out trioxane tablets if you can get a hold of them any more, they burn pretty hot and can usually be found in military surplus stores if the calcium acetate doesn't work out for you. Incidentally, you can also by the calcium acetate/alcohol jelly from stores as those stoves they use to heat chaffing dishes