NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Super Review & Benchmarks vs. RTX 4070, RX 7800 XT, & More
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- Опубліковано 5 чер 2024
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This review of the NVIDIA RTX 4070 Super includes benchmarks vs. the RTX 4070 (original), RTX 4070 Ti, RTX 4080, 3070, 2070, and AMD cards like the RX 6800 XT, RX 7800 XT, 7900 XT, and more. Testing looks at a mix of rasterization performance in gaming, ray tracing performance (including DLSS and FSR), and end-to-end system latency performance as influenced by the GPU. We'll also test power consumption of the new RTX 4070 Super graphics card. This testing should help establish which video cards are the best for gaming in the $500 to $600 area right now, but we have plenty more coming with the new AMD RX 7600 XT, NVIDIA RTX 4070 Ti Super, and RTX 4080 Super, so check back for those this month.
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00:00 - NVIDIA RTX 4070 SUPER Specs & Price
01:57 - Benchmarks & Latency
03:25 - Quick Recap of Results
05:10 - Shadow of the Tomb Raider (4K, 1440p)
07:07 - Starfield Benchmarks (4K, 1440p, 1080p)
08:52 - F1 22 Benchmarks (4K, 1440p, 1080p)
11:00 - Rainbow Six Siege (4K, 1440p)
12:29 - Resident Evil 4 (4K, 1440p, 1080p)
14:20 - Dying Light 2 (4K, 1440p, 1080p)
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17:19 - GTA V (4K)
17:42 - Ray Tracing - Dying Light (4K, 1440p, 1080p)
19:22 - Ray Tracing - Resident Evil 4 (4K, 1440p, 1080p)
20:18 - Ray Tracing - F1 22 (4K, 1440p)
21:02 - Power Consumption
21:25 - Latency Benchmarks
24:14 - Conclusion
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Why isnt this pinned.
Great that you added a latency benchmark but the average performance per resolution is still missing :/
Why are you still using the 12700KF as CPU, can you do a benchmark comparing the CPUs performance with this card instead of a billions of games??
Sometime in the coming weeks would be a good time for reviews on the new power supplies that have direct cabling for these cards. Thanks for the benchmarks, the next two in the super line should be a little more interesting in price / perf.
i dont see a reason to buy this GPU instead of RX7800XT team green lose again imo
Pretty good specs for a $400 GPU. It is $400 right? Right?
$600
Probably 1000€ accounting for tax
Idk, I get your premise but I'm going to ask why it should be 400. Is it feels or a comparative analysis of market competitors.
Better off buying AMD
The 70 series MSRP hasn’t been $400 since the 1070. Come on now
Thank you for adding latency in your reviews! Ive always been looking for that but there is barely any information on this.
Absolutely! Can't wait to do more with it. This was just an initial experiment, but looks like people like it!
@@GamersNexus also you are absolutely right, latency is getting more and more important with how high of a frame count you can get in esport titles like overwatch, cs, valorant etc... and with 540hz monitors available now I think GPU and system latency will be more and more of a factor
Wrong kind of latency...
@@GamersNexus I think it is very useful information.
They had to add it because they keep testing on 6-8 years old games. It's cool to have one extra metric, not so cool to have it in a sea of outdated games that don't give the full picture.
I do think it’d be helpful to include the 1080 Ti and 2080 Ti in these charts. Lots of old 1000 and 2000 series owners out there and anything 4070 and up is an upgrade for those entire series
Yes please hopefully in the 4070ti super review, I'm upgrading from a 2080ti.
I am rocking a 1080 FE that I am upgrading to a 4070 Super or 4070 Ti Super - just need to see his Ti Super review next week!
As nice as it would be to have more numbers, the 1080ti is roughly equivalent to the 3060 and the 2080ti is roughly equivalent to the 3070. RT and dlss comparisons arent really needed because well...we know how much of that the 1080ti can do...which is little to none.
Yes I was hoping to see a 2080 ti in there
@@suchefindeI owned a 1080 then a 3060 TI and now a 4070 TI. You’ll be very pleased with whichever one you purchase! Makes light work of 1440p and great at 4k as well.
As we expected, the new "SUPER" GPU's are the SKU's they should have released a year ago when the 40 series launched.
Nvidia has you right where they want you if you think $1000 for a 5% faster 4080 is how it should have been from the start.
@@andersjjensen I think OP means Performance wise, not price
2000 series showed Nvidia they can get away with it now. I totally agree that these are the performance tiers we came to expect.
Honestly the rx 7600 xt with it's bump 16 GB VRAM puts all overpriced mid tier ngreedia gpus to shame. But the ngreedia fanboys are buying those like blind nevertheless and push the prices even further to their own disadvantage. And to.add insult to injury nvidia just recently announced an old 3050 with only 6GB VRAM. This shows that ngreedia fanboys like to get milked. It's awful how they even apologize those prices with nonsensical inflation bs arguments.
Ngreedia ... the way it's meant to be paid!
@@aladdin8623 not everyone uses gpus for gaming. And the 7600xt ior AMD cards in general are horrible for machine learning/ai.
I feel like the supers always come out when prices are terrible for new gpus
That's how it is lol
They want to millk it even more
Still 100$ too expensive for me, they're really close to having a decent price
That's how marketing works
Market conditioning by Nvidia. Makes people think that it's a better value than it is. Sadly, several other reviewers are falling for it and recommending this card today.
@@brad4690
I would rush to the store to buy the 4070ti super if it was $650
Just popping in on the latency side of things - I'd love to ping over one of my open source latency testing tools for you to try out. It does the mouse movement testing you mentioned, it's a bit more automated, and it's fully open source (and available). I know it helps me a fair bit with testing, so hopefully it'd be a useful addition for you too!
What is tool name? Is it on GitHub?
Would love to check it out! Thank you for the message. Will be in touch!
@TechteamGB, nice of you to offer this. @GamersNexus, this is channel that called out MSI for trying to influence the review of a laptop a few years back, believe yourselves and HWUB highlighted it at the time? Great channel that deserves your support :)
That's so cool
Got a link to the git repo? (Or the name of the repo if it's on Github since UA-cam will probably block the link)
1080Ti still showing it's face in benchmarks damm, that card aged well.
The whole series was Nvidia's best new release offering ever since probably the original GeForce 256 DDR. Performance shot up, power consumption plummeted, GPGPU applications went through a renaissance, all cards from 1070 up stayed perfectly relevant for at least the next 3-4 years outside of RT workloads. Hell, 1080 Ti is still just fine for 1080p play for almost any game. Everything that came since has been a series of usual compromises that only become worthwhile after the mid-series refreshes like this one. That being said, this *does* look like a good refresh at least.
Mine just died an hour ago 😢
Yup just like the 570/80/90 and beyond
It’s GOATED 7+ years later 🐐
Latency analysis is excellent. I would love to see how all the frame gen technologies effect latency if you all can fit it into your workflow. Great work!
It should be the most important thing in an all PC industry and modern gaming. Plus it’s my pet peeve and as an audio and sound engineer it’s the heart of the system. I have mastered it in gaming! But people need tho learn more about latency. It’s not an easy task to control everything that comes in and out of any PC. Now thanks to telemetry with out your consent. Thanks
The 4070 ti super thing is so insane when I remembered that they originally wanted two 4080s in the lineup. So what was the plan there then?? Two 4080 supers???
It’s fairly simple actually, 4080 super and 4080 super duper
They just wouldn't have done a refresh, they only did this because their consumer lineup isnt selling as well as they'd like.
@@crazybeatrice4555 I don’t think they really give a shit about the ‘consumer’ side of things considering the bank they are making in their business ‘AI’ products
It would have been the 4080 12Gb Super and 4080 16Gb Super
4080 super and 4080 tie fighter
It may be helpful to write a macro for clicking / movement that can be repeatable in multiple games. Love the new additional benchmark !
Already have that! But working on improving it!
Absolutely love the icons at the beginning showing where the part came from. Transparency is dope.
I don’t need that. I know what they are talking about always. Helps the new kids on the block but I don’t see anything useful out of it.
I love this new perspective on latency, it makes perfect sense. It reminds me of when gamers nexus implemented 0.1 low fps. when back in the past people only care about avg fps.
I have always talked about the importance on latency over average FPS. You can have 300FPS but with stutters and very high latency. I am the master of low latency thanks to my Audio engineering skills. We can not tolerate even 6MS. Of delay. Not even 3. ONE or zero
Just waiting on the 4070 Ti Super TIE
Don't forget the X! Announcing the new GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super TIE X
RTX 4070 TISTIX tis dicks or alternatively thai sticks@@GamersNexus
@@GamersNexusSuper X TI
@GamersNexus it's Nvidia GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super TIE Fighter X
@@GamersNexus & Knuckles
The problem is those prices will never materialize in reality. The 4080 Super for example will probably be 1300-1400 Euro here in Europe. 4070 Super will be around 700-800 Euro. It's really disappointing Edit: It is also worth mentioning that the AMD prices are not inflated in retail here which increases their value in comparison even further. the Nvidia MSRP means nothing
Real
4070 Super FE is listed as 659 euros on french nvidia website
@@KDRSHVListed, will never sell for that. Already forgetting the 30 series launch and massive scalping AIBs did?
@@KDRSHV but are they actually going be in stock? You can never get them from Nvidias website in my experience
@@daedalus6433 3K series launched into the biggest change that the modern world had ever seen, and that launch is completely incomparable to what's happening now.
Thanks Steve & the team for another great review cheers
Love the new graphic explaining the procurement of the review part. Please keep that, and I don't know why this hasn't been a standard for creators yet.
For that car comparison, that epidemic is known as the awful Piano Black plastic that manufacturers litter in car interiors. Absolutely perfect comparison.
Still was nowhere near as bad as the giant screen everywhere and no buttons trend.
@@username8644 Cant use your phone while driving but texting on a 12 inch built in display all good!
@@username8644Nothing better than having to navigate through menus just to turn on the AC.
@@username8644 And to complete the unholy trifecta, a turbo 4cyl with a CVT.
@@deanchurwe have fallen so far for this.
As an owner of a 3070, seems like I'll be waiting for the 5000 series.
Meanwhile, I'll be upgrading to a 4080 Super from a 4070 ti... tbf though before that I had a GTX 1080 ti plus the memory bandwidth and capacity of the 4070 ti just isn't cutting it for 4k even with dlss performance and frame gen enabled in some games already.
Upgrade over multiple generations made more sense anyway.
Same with my 3060ti.
Same with my 1060
As someone who is still using a 1070, I just want future GPU's to not be overly priced but still performs great. But I guess those days are gone.
Currently using a many years old EVGA 1080ti. Heavily considering upgrading to the 4080 Super at the end of this month based on the results I'm seeing in these new charts.
Yeah me too. Super cards always come out when the value is terrible, but as a 1080 user i cant hold off any longer. I wish the 50 series would release this year
@@Robin-ou1gg There's rumors that 5080 / 5090 series will release at the end of this year if the 4000-series Super releases do not sell well.
4000 series will sell well unless the economy is as bad as it is@@mjong99
make sure you take card size into account...psu requirements arent crazily higher, but space requirements sure have gone up. I opted for the 4070ti purely out of not being able to fit a 4080 in my case.
Same here, been rocking my 1080ti for many years but may likely get the 4070ti Super when it drops which happens to be around on my birthday!
Great review as always. Absolutely loved the latency testing. Something that is actually relevant and meaningful for the feeling of responsiveness and "snappiness" for the consumer, yet previously was hard to measure. 👍 Well done.
Addition of latency tests is awesome!
Can you compare games as well ? For example ARK ASA & ASE has a lot of latency meanwhile Remnant II has very low latency when DLSS or FSR quality is on. (not having upscaling in that game increases latency tlto ).
Might do separate or standalone FSR/DLSS latency impact testing with frame gen! Definitely adding more games for future testing as well.
@@GamersNexus Cool, could you add Ark: Survival Ascended to the tested games. it has a lot of latency on a 4090 on high settings. Reflex or DLSS 3 FG Doesn't seem to make it better or worse since the base line is soo high.
Solid review as always 💪 I'd love to see some Blender benchmarks for creators and workstation users
great review as always. I really love the input latency testing. I would love to see more of it going forward for sure. I primarily play fps shooters like mw3 and this is indeed useful info to note.
Input latency gives us a much better perspective than frame rates in competitive multiplayer titles.
Another big thank you for the addition of latency to the charts, and the inclusion of the EVGA RTX 2060 KO is a great idea. For me, the 4070 Ti Super (what a ridiculous name) is the most intriguing SKU, so I'm crossing my fingers on that one having some good value.
Is that the one with 16GB?
Yup
Love the latency test. CS2 is a very good game for that kind of test and exactly what I was looking for. Could you include some mid range AMD card as well, like RX 6600?
Latency testing is a great addition to the list. I am wondering what the components of the latency testing rig are, and whether it's AMD or INTEL. Also curious which one of the two has lower latency. Solid video!
Adding latency is great, thanks for always pushing for more and better data.
I appreciated the part where you suggested whether to upgrade atm, my 3070 is definitely falling behind but knowing it isn’t that far behind makes it easier to wait.
Really curious if you notice and physical changes in the new card such as weight or stronger boards to resolve sag, cracks, and other issues with the weight of the cards being to heavy. Also would like to see the latency differences using a riser. I think these cards are just going to get heavier and I wonder if there will be more cases that either add GPU supports or more cases being designed for vertical placement like the Y60 and Y40.
I could see the partner cards start to include a cheap support bracket from ali baba. The sag on some of these cards is an eyesore
The sapphire nitro+ cam with a bracket. My brother got one
Thanks so much for starting to add latency! This is going to be very interesting, especially if you intend to also compare different components of the stack like input devices, operating systems, drivers, and games.
It'll be interesting to see the latency tests develop! Is part of the increase in run to run variance because you're doing the tests manually or do you have a script to replicate the scenario in game every time?
Much appreciated to see the 3080 Ti back in the diagrams - I didn't watch all past reviews but I think I rarely saw it except in the initial 30xx videos. I'm afraid UWQHD resolution is too much to ask for as it's not widely used. I'll just keep telling myself that the performance is between 1440p and 4k, closer to 4k 🙈🤣
would you be interested to add productivity benchmark for GPU's ? You are doing it for CPU's but renderers, but I would really know the improvements they do in productivity too in softwares like blender cycles, redshift, vrayGPU. etc...
I would be really interested to see if the XTX stacks up vs the 4090 in end to end latency.
pretty hyped for latency testing... hope you can bring light into how it works
end-to-end system latency is a great metric compared to 400+ FPS comparisons; love the direction. similar to your push for frametime consistency. good job!
Thanks Steve !
I liked the selection of cards used. Really helps people with older cards get an idea of what type of uplift to expect.
Great review as usual! Would yall be willing to conduct any testing on HDR and vram usage/gpu usage? Unreasonable to do it for every single hardware release but maybe a dedicated video on how HDR impacts system and GPU performance with the same granularity just to see how it all works. Would be interesting to see your take on the state of HDR gaming and how it affects the rendering pipeline aka latency, vram usage, ect.
Not looking at this but new GN video? Of course I’m gonna watch.
Love the latency addition as well.
Thank you for still including the 3070!
It's worth considering adding Alan Wake 2 to the benchmark suite. It makes use of mesh shaders more than any other title. It would be interesting to know how these cards stack up when handling mesh shaders
would there be a difference in latency testing if you’re using different release versions of NVIDIA Drivers as well?
Since you are addressing latency it would be awesome to see what OS and hw optimizations you can do to improve latency.
Thanks! Have you considered adding a QR code to the benchmark screens that would direct folks to the testing details, methodology, etc?
Super interesting idea! Have not considered that. Maybe as the website continues to roll-out, we might add that!
That's a great suggestion that aligns with their push for details on the website!
Love the inclusion of latency information
Thank you for adding latency comparison. That's awesome, and I hope it sticks around in all your reviews. My hot take is that latency matters more to the gamer's overall experience than framerate, but I'm a Guitar Hero / Rock Band nerd, so you should probably ignore me.
With the new latency test, I'm curious; is there latency differences between motherboards? The gpu and screen (and probably the cable even, though probably to a much lesser extent (I would imagine as an unknowledgeable outsider)) surely matter, but what about the motherboard? I've never even *considered* the motherboard impacting such things, let alone seen any content on it! It would be very cool to see that discussed by y'all, the testing aficionados that y'all are :)
Going to need a PhD soon to keep track on PC hardware
I dont see a 3090 on the testing list anymore. Is it coming back?
I'm so happy to see the new data for comparison!!! Thank you GN, continue to innovate, we appreciate you!
3080ti and 3090 are around the same ballpark. 3090 is only 2-4% faster depending on the AIB and OC. It would be interesting to see 1080ti on the chart too.
@@adink6486That's incredibly misleading to say because the 3090 has double the vram.
@@username8644 unless you are vram-limited, of course
@@adink6486Nvidia's marketing specifically put this up against a 3090. It should have been on the charts
Did you guys thought on making a graph where you kinda compare by price per efficiency? Mostly to know what's the most efficient card to buy for their price
I like the latency testing, since 200 vs 800fps translates to half the latency rather than scaled reduction.
Unrelated, I'm curious about latency on my setup with a display port switch (one monitor two inputs, work and gaming). Wonder how much that switch adds to latency
Magnificent, we really desperately needed another $1000+ card for over here in Australia. Terrific.
Even the normal 4070 is over 1000 bucks here.
more rotten green shit on the shelves
Hope you can take a look at Tekken 8, either as a one-off, or as a part of the regular hardware review suite. I'd be ecstatic if it somehow fits into regular hardware reviews. Fighting games have a unique scenario where they are locked at 60 fps (unless you mod the game) and with ideal settings/hardware you want the game to look as good as possible while never dipping below 60, with latency as low as possible, and frametimes as consistent as possible. There's more graphics settings in the game then ever before, and I'm a little lost on how to optimize for consistency (demo has been out for a while now, game is out in 10 days). Thanks Steve :^)
Yes please. Add Tekken 8 to a test
A minor thing, but can I just say I love the graphic that shows where any given product came from. Such a small, but important, detail. Kudos.
Thanks for the video Steve
Can you please re-test the 12 volt high power connector in the new gpus to see if Nvidia has used a revised the spec to make it safer?
Thnak you for including the 1080ti in your tests. I REALLY need those... I think it's time for me to upgrade to the 7900xtx.
I love how videos about nvidia gpus serve as marketing for amd gpus 😂 also thinking about going from 1080ti to 7900xtx now
@@Smartem_ yeah I was really hoping for the price of that thing to come down in the last year but apparently that's not going to happen anytime soon or if at all. They made it $850, I'd immediately buy one. Especially the red devil. That's the one I want.
Was reluctant to watch this as I had just done a new build with a 7800 XT a month ago. Honestly though, it's not bad and I've been getting more than the performance I was looking for and new stuff doesn't change that. In the price class I was looking for, maybe a 4070 SUPER is what i'd recommend to others building now but personally, I'm okay
You have more vram! You win!
Which kind of 7800 xt did you get?
Judging off this video ya shouldve got a 6800 xt
I think there is value in latency for gpu bound games more so than graphically light e-sports games. There are a lot of timing/input sensitive games that are also graphically demanding.
Will you move to using 540 Hz or higher displays in the future for latency benchmarks?
Any chance you could compare latency of integrated GPUs vs discreet ones?
Discrete*
@@urgay1992 brainfart, thanks
Latency testing seems to be the future after watching this. Amazing job getting ahead of most likely the future of benchmarks(specially with DLSS/FSR getting better).
Hey, adding latency tests is great, I particularly like that you don't rely on software and use a separate data acquisition device for measurement.
One question though: if you use frame change detection and use 360Hz display, doesn't that mean that your result is dependent on the refresh rate of that display? I mean, 360Hz refresh rate converts to 1000/360=2.77 msec for a new frame do be displayed as a result of your input. So can you pls explain how do you measure difference in 18 vs 19.3 msec latency when it is below the minimum time for a new frame to display? Are you doing say 1000 measurements and the just average the results or is it some other sort of aggregated result?
As someone that still owns a 1080 Ti, I appreciate you including results from a few games, with the 1080 Ti included
I like the new latency measurements. Hopefully you guys will have time to test more gpus in future videos because I am very curious to see on a larger scale how amd and Nvidia compare since both of them advertise latency reductions pretty heavily (NVreflex and AMDantilag)
4:50 Piano black & gloss finish was the worse thing to ever happen to automotive interior design
This is crazy amout of testing. When do you guys sleep?
Thanks for the review as always
I know you said you’re looking forward to testing the 4080 super - do you have a date when you’re hoping to get that out by?
I know that’s what I’m waiting for, so I can consider upgrading (currently using an EVGA 3080)
Thank you for your service
Will you by chance be adding more recent games in your benchmark suite? Also games that hit hard in RT such as Cyberpunk, Alan Wake 2 etc..? Games that Include frame generation?
I feel that most folks interested in this card would be looking at what I've mentioned above.
Yeah it’s ridiculous.
Thank you for making recommendations on what current owners of other cards should do. This keeps me from second guessing myself.
I love the latency testing - I would love to see you use Microsoft Flight Simulator with a VR headset like the Bigscreen Beyond or even a Quest 3 - I would love it for the VR benchmark but even more so as VR seems to be the heaviest load in gaming and latency is the bane of existence for VR performance.
As a side note - I would love to see you do a full review of the Acer Orion Predator X - I loved your preview last year and now that I could actually order one, I would love to see you do a full and proper test and review. (And please for your small form factor videos, put a pop can beside the case for a size comparison perspective!
great now I want a GPU accented with fine Corinthian leather If its going to cost as much as a car might as well use the same marketing.
Hmm... I would've expected a bit more uplift over the 4070 considering the increase in CUDA cores. Oh well... guess I'll have to wait for the Ti Super reviews and actual retail pricing in my neck of the woods.
It'll depend on the game tbh, some will have little improvement and others could have a 20% improvement
@@DefeftThis right here. In bandwidth limited scenarios you'll get less of an uplift, but in compute limited scenarios you'll get far closer to the theoretical uplift based on the CUDA Core/TFLOPs increase
I appreciate the inclusion of latency! I'd be curious to see how much "added" latency there is for a given card. In this case I would define added latency as: ( total_latency - (1 / FPS ) ). Ideally this would identify cards with particularly long pipelines or things like that. However, I don't know if this would be a meaningful number since it's so directly linked to framerates (i.e. cards with extremely low framerates will look better on paper). Maybe it could be normalized somehow. Something to think about...
The problem is that it's more expensive than the 4070 and 7800 XT, and still only has 12GB of vram. It's hard to justify paying 100 USD more than the 7800 XT to get less vram, and I suspect that the 4070 is going to be dropping somewhat below 550 as well, as it has already been available for below 550 at times over the last couple of months. 600 USD was a lot to pay for a graphics card with 12GB of vram a year ago, and now we're only about a year away from the next generation from both AMD and Nvidia, and maybe half a year away from Intel's new generation of cards as well.
Okay, basically a renamed RTX3080 12GB selling for the same price 4 years later.
Basically lol
Stop spreading misinformation. The 3070ti had a 600usd msrp.
Brainwashed people lol
But nvidia claim is faster than 3090😅
Basically. Should be cheaper for Nvidia, as well, since it uses a noticeably smaller die. But I could be wrong about that - there's rumors aplenty that Nvidia received massive discounts from Samsung because the yields were abysmal. Anyway, won't cost Jensen his next jacket.
bang on , the actual successor to 3080 the 4080 is terrible value its less of an uplift from 2080-3080 , I really dont give a shit rt its still in its infancy and its not like its a dramatic difference in most games between on and off the biggest advantage right now is for debs , it makes their work a good bit easier , while we incur a huge performance penality and have to run below native res. I have to laugh at the everyone who wants to see the 4080 super review because its a good £1000 for fe thats not good at all , and the aibs your talking £1200 -£1400
love the channel been lurking for a long time, would it be possible in anyway that you guys also test the game Escape From Tarkov? Its really demanding since its not very well optimized.
Great review but I miss the productivity elements. My main GPU use is on Blender, and I'm considering updating to either a 4070 Super or 4070 Ti Super, yet I'm left with no data from this video on the matter. Still great review for those interested purely in gaming :)
I've had issues with Vram and power limitation with Design and 3D rendering also Animation with the 4070 and went back to a 3090 I'd wait for the 4070ti super
Sure glad I opted for a used Asus TUF 3080 for USD 380 5 days ago.
Waiting seemed pointless.
Damn, the 6800 xt is looking pretty good at $450!
So glad I snagged a 6950 XT for $590 during black friday sales. Almost close to sane prices!
A much worse card for much less money seems fair
7800xt is the king of “midrange” AMD lost the plot at the high end low end, but they firmly hold the midrange with the 7800xt.
@@beau-urns good take actually
I just saw some at $399
Love watching your videos they are so informative and make it feel like I make the right choice when it comes time to purchase. Like how I am happy with the 7800xt I just ordered because of the really good price I got on it in comparison to competing cards.
Digging that little graphic that details exactly how you got the card.
The 7800 XT is still compelling for 500$. If AMD drops the price to 450$ then it's a really good deal. Probably going to be the same story with the 4070 Ti Super vs 7900 XT and 4080 Super vs 7900 XTX. They will force AMD to lower their prices a bit. That's overall good for consumers I guess.
If AMD has to drop prices every time that Nvidia launches a new card then they as just as guilty of ripping off the consumer as Nvidia is accused of.
Great for US market but in most regions in the world, the 40 series are still on MSRP or padded even like in my region. 7800XT is still a great contender for Gaming only rig, at least in my region.
I just dont think it wil drop, the 7800XT is still a better buy than this new card.
Good if it happens. Between the 2 cards users will have to decide whether they want to spend $100 more for slightly more performance and better RT + DLSS, or want to spend a bit less, and have 16GB rather than 12GB for games where that would matter, either now or in the future. Honestly if the 4070 Super had 16GB it would be pretty perfect. With 12GB I'm not sure.
i don't think any of these new cards are going to force AMD to drop prices. AIB's are going to be in the 650-750 dollar price range for the 4070 super.
Finally upgraded. Can't vouch for modern RTX cards, but coming from a GTX 1080 the 4070 super is awesome. Double the framerates, using less power and lower temps. Card is completely silent even when under load. The 1080 sounded like a jet engine while playing games.
you continue to impress with these reviews guys. This is absolutely the best news source for pc hardware anywhere.
Great research as always
Hey Steve, open source diffusion models and LLMs are growing in popularity day by day. Are you planning to do GPU benchmarking on these workloads in the future? I'm personally trying to decide between a 4070 Ti super and 4080 super because I'm planning to run LLMs, but I can't really find proper benchmarks for this.
We're very interested in it but not sure how to test it yet! If you or anyone else have specific requests, post them here!
Didnt know this was AI Nexus and not Gamers Nexus
@@screwball69 ai and gamers go hand in hand.
@@GamersNexus Yes please do tests on ai workloads llm, stable diffusion even whisper ai translation. Don't worry about taking a while do to research just keep in mind that there are both rocm apps on linux and guis on windows that work with amd/intel.
@@GamersNexus You could do a test where you test 7b 13b and 13b+ models with a character limit see how much time it takes and the load/thermals of the gpu. With stable diffusion you can generate 1 - 10 images with varying sizes along with generating animations which is multiple images generated in 1 image. With whisper ai you can test how much delay there is in real time transcribing and translation. You can also transcribe/translate videos ranging from 1 mins, 10 mins, 30mins, 1hour and 1hour+ to see how long it takes between gpus. There are also creative tools like background audio remover and image upscaling via topaz or other companies that you can also test that have a load on the gpu.
I'm excited to see the 4070ti super cause I'm looking at getting the 7900xt so if its cheaper then that and better i might just get it.
@@ancientflames tf is that logic
dont expect it to be cheaper. No FE variant and the AIBs will have them at $850+. 7900 XTs might drop in price afterwards. Im like you though, looking at either 7900 XT or 4070 Ti S.
I think it could be interesting to add how much of the available Vram each of the titles use at 4k/high-custom? Is the 12GB on the limit for any of the games tested?
It will be
I’m very excited for the latency reviews. For any esports fps, low latency is king, and any graphics card that gives an edge over another will help me decide what I’m buying next as that’s generally the type of titles I play.
Same 2070 Super
Gold players be like
You clearly dont understand how latency works, sheep
@@mosesdavid5536 true for now (rank reset hitting me hard lol)
Hi, I’m just wondering why you used a 12700KF cpu for testing, don’t get me wrong, I’ve once owned that cpu before and it performs well, but since this is purely gpu performance, shouldn’t you be using a cpu where it won’t bottleneck any gpu at all?
I have a 3090 and thinking about waiting for the next batch before upgrading. But I was always curious why the 3090 is never in anyone's charts 😞
Just add 2 fps to the 3080ti and there you got it.
@@robertopazsoldan9641 haha you made it too easy. Thank you🔥🔥
Why bother? 3090 is like 3%-5% over 3080ti.. and 3080ti is barely 5% over the 3080..
The only good thing about 3090 was it's high VRAM.. the price was Super-Scam
Still.. best minimng card back in 2020 era xD
Upgrade your CPU before your gpu
@BBWahoo GPU is more important.. unless he has low or med tier CPU
For latency, any chance once you have a baseline testing locked in, to do various CPU comparisons? I am curious if CPU design really impacts latency or not, say prooving or debunking modern CPUs with complicated inter core-group communication overhead. This could be prooving/debunking that Rocket Lake CPUs being the last "old school" low latency design, possibly being the only saving grace of the 11th gen, given how it was designed for a better production node and then ported to an older, lower tech silicon.
Gamer Nexus videos are so complete and clear! Literally the best!
Why would they continue to use the 12vhpwr connector ?
is the best and is a standard
@@silvio3d "standard"
Have you guys considered running GPU renderer benchmarks for any CG artists or Motion designers considering to buy this? For example Maxon's Redshift seems to be pretty popular and has its own benchmark script.
The channel is litterally called "Gamers Nexus".
It's plenty of other channels for that...
@@lupintheiii3055CG artists also use the same devices for most part so doesn't really matter much + It'll be one less video we'll have to watch to choose the correct option
@lupintheiii3055 I get it, but it is just one additional test that doesn't take any effort (1 to 20min based on how fast the GPU is) and it would cater to a decently sized additional audience instead of 5 game benchmarks repeating pretty much same results.
@@StayOkToday One single benchmark will be completely useless for anyone except a specific subset of users and even for them would be questionable since it's hard to find someone using just a single program for productivity, that's without even mentioning with professional programs you can have 200% difference between two GPU wich are otherwhise comparable in games.
Plus a single benchmark for 20-30 GPU can take one or two days of work full time without even talking about the validation process (you said it yourself... 1-20 minutes X 20-30 GPU X 3 run... consider time to switch GPU etc.... that's 1 to 2 1/2 working days just for the test).
There is a reason why there are entire channels focusing just on that.
@@Primus_075 And more than double the time to produce the video... when you have 4 GPU release and a dozen CPU release in the span of 3 weeks... all that to save 15 minutes time to a fraction of the audience... make sense from a buisiness stand point!
Thank you for adding latency and finally Saphire XTX Nitro+ benchmarks! been waiting since i bought it 6 months ago lol
Congratulatiins for introducing another parameter such as latency!!! Now for the question: Is it fair to compare 6800 xt sapphire nitro card to 7800 xt from amd? Aren't aib partner cards usually a bit overclocked? For that maybe 5% difference.
It isn’t fair to compare those two, you’re correct about the overclocking on aib