The Only 3 Sandpapers You Really Need | SANDING BASICS
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Sanding can be time-consuming, tedious and one of the dustiest, messiest, most boring tasks in woodworking. But it’s also something that you’ll have to do in just about every single project. I hope to minimize the monotony in this Sanding Basics video.
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Years ago I had an older neighbor that was very OCD, he would hear me wood working and come over to see what I was making. His OCD would always kick in aand he would start sanding, and sanding, and sanding.. he wouldn't stop until the wood was as smooth as glass. He would always thank me for letting him help on my project and even started bringing his own sand paper.
RepTalez
WOW!
Our neighbour can only scream .. lucky u
I wish I was this lucky.
"He would always thank me for letting him help on my project and even started bringing his own sand paper."
Best 'neighbour' story ever, I'm ROFLing here. This is hilarious :-)
Sounds like a good neighbor
As a sandpaper salesman, I can give a few pointers on technical aspects.
There are many different minerals used in the actual abrasive of the sandpaper.
Not all sandpapers are equal, some use higher quality minerals, but apart from that here is some info..
For sanding wood, some people still prefer to use the natural garnet, unlike produced minerals it does not fracture to stay sharp, it becomes dull as you use it, which means it will be less effective but produce a smoother finish, if you grab a fresh piece of garnet paper it will be significantly sharper than the other piece.
Aluminum Oxide is not the best choice for wood (since it is a metal, you could get mineral fallout into your project), however many people really like it because it is extremely durable and cheap; The small minerals fracture instead of becoming dull, which means it will stay sharp just as long. Its lifespan is usually dependent on the thickness and durability of the paper, also loading can become an issue. Loading is when whatever your sanding gets stuck and trapped on the paper rendering it less useful. You can get non-loading sand paper which is sterrated in a lubricant similar to baby-powder.
The best choice for wood is Silicon Carbide (glass). It has the benefits of garnet by not fracturing, and it becomes more dull as it is used, and the lack of durability is not as significant sanding soft materials, like wood and even concrete. It is more expensive but its sharpness will mean much faster results.
The sandpaper Steve is using in the video is a commercial grade aluminum oxide sand paper. I would suggest trying a professional grade silicon carbide, you will get much better results. Silicon Carbide also comes in screens (Like the screen on a screen door) which is amazing because anything you sand will come right out of the holes, and since its double sided you can just flip it over if you want a fresh and sharp abrasive.
LordoftheJamesClan Excellent. Thanks.
What about the sandpapers with softer or sponge backing, e.g. 3M products?
LordoftheJamesClan thanks for the information! now where do we buy the silicone carbide paper and screens? I like the idea of the screen a lot.
Thanks!
LordoftheJamesClan - Thanks for the information. It will be very useful.
Nice video Steve!
One of my favorite sanding hacks is, after you sanded the surface of your workpiece with the final grit, take a wet sponge and wet the surface like applying a coat of oil finish. Let it dry and the fibers of the wood that aren´t smooth will rise. Then sand it again with your final grit. This is great for tables and other big surfaces, but also for toys becaus it gives you a really smooth result!
Yes, by wetting down the wood a bit you raise the grain and any imperfections. When you sand again it really smooth things out. GOOD TIP!!
DOH! I knew that one, but forgot to add it to my tips. And the best way to sand corners is to start with a router. :-P
Thank you! How dry should the wood be before sanding again?
I think I must just be a weirdo. I enjoy the sanding! It’s like meditation for me. I find it soothing and relaxing for some reason and everyone I tell that too thinks I’m nuts. Also, I love watching how the wood changes as you sand with different grits and becomes more and more gorgeous with each step. 🤷🏼♀️
Raise your hand if you love sanding! Yay! It's the best part of making things! (Said no one ever.) But, it's something we have to deal with on almost all woodworking projects. I hope this video will help to minimize the monotony of sanding and simplify the topic. It's actually a pretty big topic and I couldn't cover everything in this video. Help us all out by leaving a comment with any sanding tips you might have!
+Steve Ramsey My dad makes canoe paddles, and a belt sander held upside down in a vice is really helpful for him to create the shape of the paddle's blade! but as you say, that is quite an aggressive task!
Great video Steve could you make a bar from pallets ??
+Steve Ramsey Hi Ramsey, very informative... thanks. but finishing projects is always confusing, when to sand and when not and what to apply and what not. I will appreciate if you can make some videos covering these aspects.. Thanks again
Working with the rasp is still fun. So I would consider this a near-sanding love.
+Steve Ramsey This part of wood working is actually probably my favorite part. In fact, most often I hand sand and only use a tool when doing alot of shaping. With my skill of wood working I tend to have more 80 grit since I often have a good amount of hanging. I loved this video!! Thanks!!
Good one Steve! You have a gift for explaining things in a concise way with some clever comments thrown in for entertainment!
I have watched a LOT of UA-cam help and informational videos - Steve is the most straight forward and highly informative person I have seen!
Simple, Truthful, Informative and down home FUN to watch!
All 5 Stars - Great Job!!
Have been watching your videos sporadically over the last 3 months and I'm learning so much from you! Being a newbie to woodworking I've been needing concise, straightforward and well explained tips and demonstrations to get me started quickly. I've found your tutorials to be the best. I'm sure they've been helping many other people out there as well, so thank you for doing what you do, Steve! :)
I learn more in your short videos than I do in hours of watching others. Short, sharp to the point and entertaining at the same time. Thank you for your effort.
Hi Steve, just the upside down belt sander mounting tip was worth watching this entire video for! This is an excellent presentation - sharpening wood chisels with a sander? Yes, please! You have a new sub... that's right, I'm just "one in a million" I look forward to many more coffee breaks spend learning your woodworking techniques and tips. THANK YOU
I just found you and your videos are EXCELLENT! I am a beginner in woodworking, and I have yet to find someone with clearly stated, concise information, without too much nonsense or technical speak. It's hard to learn, when everyone wants to speak in code or assume that you already know this or that. You also start with basic fundamentals, without treating the viewer like a 3 year old. Thank you very much.
Just going back and rewatching some of the BASICS series. REALLY good stuff. So easy to grasp, and makes woodworking accessible to everyone. Thanks for these, Steve
Hi Steve, I am retired and diving into the wonderful world of wood working. It does benefit me in two ways, keeps my brain ticking as well as keeps my body fit! I was thinking of enrolling into a technical college to learn about wood working, but then I found your videos. They are fantastic. I found your videos and many others on the youtube very informative and educational, especially yours. How do you manage to keep your smile all the time while talking about the nitty gritty. Please keep videoing more and more. Thanks mate-Sam from Sydney Australia (But one thing I need to flag is that most of the videos I find in youtube are from USA and the measurements are in imperial-inch-feet-whereas I am used to metric measurement).
One tip for the random orbit sander I learned while working at a woodworking shop, is to hold it by the base, not the top, the control you get will bring your sanding game to the next level. I know this because of the countless hours I spent using Nothing but a random orbit sander(and a 1/4 sheet pad sander) . Otherwise, everything els is spot on! I really appreciate your videos, they are always so funny, and enjoyable to watch, but above all els make me feel welcome into the woodworking community, and inspired to see what I can make.
I'm a total newbie to home maintenance. Thank you SO MUCH for this video!!! I wish I'd thought of searching for an intro to sanding like this years ago. Very well made, thoughtfully polished and full of valuable info! Excellent tutorial!
Thank you so much for your advice on sanding. You answered all of my questions. Your videos are great, precise , concise and informative and delivered with humour.
If you're applying anything that soaks into the wood (oil or otherwise) then you want to sand to at least 220. Stain is the common thing that comes to mind. Sanding to a finer grit goes a long, long way to making sure stain absorbs evenly. Sanding to only 120 grit is a recipe for blotch, streaks, and visible scratches in a stained or dyed project.
How about when just applying lacquer? And does it matter if finishing soft or hardwood?
Love your videos. You are just so crazy "at times". Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge and love to see more informative videos from you. Take care.
As a total beginner in DIY wood working, I really appreciate and learn a lot from your videos. Looking forward to your next videos, thanks for sharing
Thank you for taking the time to make this video, I so appreciate it!
THANK YOU SO MUCH. love these educational videos about tools , KEEP THEM COMING.
This "Basics" series is a good idea. I've always thought that if you can learn to do the basics of any skill really well, then you'll be able to do more complicated stuff easily. Good content, good channel, good all around.
Steve, I am very much a beginner and I haven't even got a lot of powertools (I have asked them for my birthday coming up in July!). I have been gathering some projects I'd like to do and am learning as much as possible before I can start. Each time I have a very specific question in mind, I end up clicking on your videos without realizing I'm doing so. Thanks so much for giving so much info! I feel like once I get started I'll know a lot. I'm starting with refinishing some nightstands today so this sanding info is very welcome :)
Exact same advice my wood shop teacher gave me over thirty years ago. Enjoying the videos. Very informative and entertaining. Love the Microjig lead-ins! Keep it up. Newbie trying to learn all I can. Thank you
Super cool tips!
love the "Basics" series great info for people just getting started! or even people who have been doing it for years!
You just showed me the light i really had a confuse decision between those sanders levels and you explained it on the spot for me , thank you very much to you sir ill keep watching this amazing channel of yours
Thanks Steve - I'm so glad to have found you. Humour and a mine of information, wonderful.
just watched 40+ youtube sanding videos but this is easily the best. seems to provide all basic knowledge for general woodwork sanding
I enjoy your videos so much. Lots of info and humor to boot. Never a dull moment like so many out there. I don't know who your videographer is but they get 2 thumbs up, too.
+Marianne Myers Thanks. Just me doing the filming!
I appreciate your style: very practical, straight forward, not too technical. Thanks.
Really great video. Very informative. You also gave me more confidence that I am not as crazy as I thought. Since I got started into refinishing furniture several years ago I settled on 3 grits of sandpaper that I use regularly and don't buy any other. They are 80, 120 & 220. Just the grits you recommend. I always kept this a secret as I felt a real carpenter would just laugh me out of the room. Now I know I'm not alone.
When your vid starts and then the micro jig ad cuts in, it cracks me up every time 🤣👍
Great info, thank you
I purchased a random sander, and it works well. Thanks Steve for you're insight on woodworking stuff.
Steve, love your channel. It is just perfect for people just starting out in woodworking, like myself. Thanks!
My favorite sanding tip is to get some one else to do it...
Me too.
Lmfaoo
😂🤣😂🤣
As a painter, I actually really love sanding. It's long and tedious, but is one of the most important parts of paint prep. I like seeing the old rough substrate become new and young again before I even put product on it. Good vid steve!
Hello I’m starting tomorrow as a spray painter. Is the job hard and will I understand the job quickly?
@@sorpyy3644 depends on you and how fast you learn. Painting with a sprayer, isn't particularly hard. The set up and prep, yes there are tedious parts of it. There is technique involved, which you learn with time. You make mistakes, we all do, no matter how long we have been doing it. Stay patient, stay humble learn as much as you can and you will be just fine. Good luck.
@@ajsbrushworksllc8348 thank you. Just wondering how much does a 1st apprentice make per hour?
@@sorpyy3644 depends. With no experience, new painter apprentice I start my guys at low hr rate. The kid that is with me now, has been with me 3 years. He's making close to 20 an hr now. I reward good work and discipline, and I reward loyalty.
An enjoyable blast from the past and many useful reminders. Thanks.
just wanted to compliment your channel... by far the most informative I've seen so far
When you've sanded something wipe over it with a damp rag, let it dry and then sand it again. Smooth as a baby's bottom.
Yes, excellent advice, the wood will get swollen with water and the tiny grains will pop up.
This. Raising the grain makes a huge difference in final results for me. Very good advice
Thanks. Good tip, makes sense. I will try it.
Thanks
I do wonder who invented the bottom based gauge of smoothness, Baby Bottom is the smoothest and a Bears Arse seems to be the roughest but the system lacks ratings in between those two.
Still loving your stuff, man. I remember when you got the oscillating sander, the table saw, etc. Nice that you brought it up. Also, can we have a more detailed, updated video on finishing? What types for what woods, when to sand and when not, etc?
Looking at getting into woodworking for various diy projects I have in mind: Motivated by memories of my late father's handiwork, and things he's made for me and my family, I'm hoping to make some nice things that I or loved ones can enjoy and use for a long time. Your videos are engaging, entertaining and very informative from a number I have browsed before stumbling on you; I also love your humour. Thank you for sharing your wonderful knowledge and beautiful, brilliant mind.
All information revealed to expected learners.Ur sincere efforts r appreciated.Thnks.
If you mount your belt sander upside down as you show in the video, you can use the curved area of the belt to sand inside curves. Thanks for the information. Very good video.
Please make a basics video covering different finishes - oils, polyurethane, etc.
"Or just for racing!" awesome video, im shopping for wood tools today and happened across your videos, great to watch, very helpful
Just getting into woodworking and I actually love this channel!!!
funny and knowledgeable! Great combination! Great Videos!
Only you can make a video about sanding seem interesting Steve
+Jim Halpert Michael*
+fetor41 vsauce?
Thank you so much, professional of the wood!, I think that with your valuable advice on what types of abrasive paper to use, you have clarified a lot of doubts I had about it! This video is the best explanation I found looking for on youtube and on the web in general. warm greeting from Italy!
THANKS Steve - you've made my day! Esp. doing so much without any electrical sanding gadgets!
I always knew you had True Grit Steve. This video just proves it.
Please make a video comparing racing sanders. I would like to buy the fastest one.
+Derek Richline no, he was talking about racing them on the ground to a goal line.
@@Ludix147 no sh*t, Sherlock...
Great idea
There should be a powertool race, where people with too much money and tools get silly.
The most informative video I've seen for a long time. Excellent clarity. You've helped me a lot. Thank you.
WOW who would have guessed there were so many sanders. Thank you very much for this video. Excellent tips.
I'm cracking up over here! "For racing..." Classic!
I actually like sanding. I just love getting that finish on rough cut wood.
Ah, your videos are just the best. Every single question I have, I look it up and you already have it answered. People like are what makes UA-cam.
Not only does the presenter know his craft well, he is also an awesome communicator and articulates the content in a pragmatic and helpful way along with valuable tips.
I back my sandpaper with duct tape, it holds together longer to get the most use out of it.
I used to use cheap-o sand paper, but I bought and tried some of that tan sand paper available at lowes, I don't recall the brand off hand, it's got an anti loading coating so the saw dust doesn't clog as quickly.
And for sure, that anti clog works, I get about 10X the use on the lath, and about 2-4x use by hand. That's with duct tape backing, which already doubles or triples the life of sandpaper.
Never thought to reinforce the paper. I'm looking forward to trying this for myself.
Never thought to reinforce the paper. I'm looking forward to trying this for myself.
Aw man. I love sanding
You just gave me 100s of ideals with that band sander. Plan on gluing some sandpaper to my saw-table/ on the side of the blade and go from there. Thanks so much
dang it is super rare to find such rapid, quality, and informative content. Great job!
An alternative to a spindle sander is to get an old small hole saw, and glue a piece of sand paper (cut to size) to the outside of it
i kinda want a basics fo clamping i have like 9 clamps but some of them just sit around and i wish i knew what they were specifically for
The best video I have seen to learn all about sanding. So helpful for me!
I've been binging your videos which is a true testament to how enjoyable and informative they are. You get almost a million views a video and that still seems underrated. Keep it up man.
i really love sanding, no clue why
Let's see if I have this correctly
60-80 = Basic material removal
120 = Beginning of the smoothing process
220+ = Final grit for Smoothing
600+ grit is optional.
Huge density of information in a relatively short video, thanks a ton Steve!
Another really good tutorial! I like this Basics series a lot as you cover areas I was unfamiliar with. This one on sanding was really good and i think you covered the most important aspects of sanding in this video.
I cut a dowel on my lathe and glue the sandpaper to it for sanding curved pieces.
What is the difference between one hand and two hand random orbital sanders? Just the handling or is there more at?
i love how you show different examples of each one and how to use them, im trying to remove a clear finish off of a wood toy chest so that i can stain it darker, and i have no idea what i’m doing but this helps so much
Steve, your videos rock man. So helpful. Quick and to the point on everything.
I find i get better results with less work if i only go up 60 grit at a time. Most of the time starting at 120, then 180, then 240 and when i feel like it 300 +, i use 60 to remove material.
Steve, any tips on how to know its time to change the sanding disk, so you won't risk damaging the orbital sander, but still maximize the life of the disk?
I'm looking for this answer too
This is simply the best woodworking channel! Thank you!
What a fun video. I was really looking for a tutorial on palm sanding. I couldn't turn the video off because this guy is so likeable.
Did you have a bad day Steve? You seem rather abrasive, lol
haha!
Probably not bad, just a little rough! Lol, this could get fun!
Be careful with the puns, we wouldn't want to send Steve into orbit or have him get the belt.
Lame.
OHHHHHHHHH Snap!!!
6:06 :D wow.. amazing!
You have a gift for instructing. Very detailed yet you kept it interesting a fun. Great job.
These kind of videos help us a lot. Thanks Steve.
One little bit of advice random orbit sanders that I would add is to NOT start, or stop, them when they are in contact with your work piece. This tends to leave swirls that will require additional sanding.
Joe McDonald ; Indeed!
To whoever is still watching. Just finished staining my first stained piece, to come home to insane swirl marks throughout. Ended up sanding through all that stain back to raw wood. Now scared to use an orbital sander again. Of course I sanded stain away with orbital sander using 100 grit( by hand yeah right) not sure how to proceed? Any suggestions? It’s a 6’ by 1’ bar top .
@@Joestacemazjojo wondering what you've learned since this mishap. Trying to figure it out myself. I thought I had the surface very nice and smooth until I stained it. Only thing is maybe starting with 100 or 120grit instead of 80?
@@rowankeltizar5961 honestly I can’t remember when I wrote this. But whatever sanding grit you are using if it does not take out any swirls fairy quickly, I’d back up a grit and begin again there. I constantly use the the pencil line trick. Scribal your entire piece with a pencil, sand until you sand the line away then you can move to next grit. Sometimes I may have to do this two times, sometimes I again have to move a grit back. Use a flashlight or light stick over the object witch will help u see the swirls better. Overall sanding is the worst part of every project ( wait til you get to epoxy) you just have to take a lot of time before you move along to the next grit. Wiping it down with mineral spirits in between which takes time to dry will sometimes bring out things you don’t see otherwise. Look close before it dries and circle any spots you may have missed. Patients is key, no easier way around it unfortunately
Thanks for replying. I also am not sure when I replied. I have been working with epoxy for awhile now and am about ready to throw in the towel . I do use the pencil trick always, my biggest issue now is I’m getting sanding discharge ending up stuck in the grain especially when trying to sand epoxy to a higher grit like 400 or plus. I recently had to remove all finish and take project back to 80, but again as I worked up still came out with the same issue. I use vacuum, microfiber, tack clothes, as well as mineral spirits. I enjoy every other process until it comes to sanding which takes 75% of my time easily.
What do you sand to with epoxy ? Any thoughts on the sanding getting trapped in the pores of the wood? I’ pretty much work with blk walnut. Thank you
"That just scratches the surface... HA!" :D
I’ve only seen a couple of your videos so far, but I really enjoy the content you’re creating. Keep up the awesome work.
Love how you teach basics. Well done and exactly what I needed for a project I’ll be wrapping up this weekemd.
your puns in this where brilliant
One thing I do is to lightly scribble a pencil around the surface of the item i am sanding, that way when the pencil marks are gone, I know I have sanded the surface. This is especially helpful after inspection and I see areas I need to go back to.
So this technique works and is useful. I have only seen one person do it. I was curious because I have trouble knowing once I've sanded it. So my cabinet teacher. Scolds me a little.
I really enjoy your videos. I learn something new every time. Thank you!!
I find it weird that so many people don’t like sanding… for me, this is the best part 🤣
I don’t watch you enough to expect your micro jig intro
The Belt sander part made me laugh! Or you could race them!! wow
Great information. You are the GOAT of woodworking!
I really appreciate your effort to share your knowledge and experience. Because of this channel i was able to invest in an entry level ryobi table saw, have the confidence to saw 12 stair treads. Thank you. Subbed!!
Steve, what is the best grit to use for racing?
Thomas Kelly 1 grit
Depends on the surface lol
60 grit for your moms wood floor
24 grit :)
That fine sawdust should be kept then mixed with white PVA glue which dries transparent, but is excellent for hiding small holes etc even splits.
Used to buy Plastic Wood' but over the past decade I've done what you suggest & it WORKS well - for any colour & type of wood you're using. Gives a Natural colour & can be strengthened if needed by adding wood glue just before applying this mix to your wood project..
Excellent suggestion!!
Good videos. I've not mess around with hand tools much so these are informative to us amateurs.
Very informative video. As a beginner woodworker this really cleared up a lot!