I got coached by the most insane challenger ADC.. He blew my mind
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
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This was really fun to make, absolutely the best coaching session I’ve done.
Thanks for having me!
First thought if this guy, good beatboxer.
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Hey so at like 27:20 or so it seems as though pyke dashes over jinx traps. I thought you had mentioned that the traps stop all dashes? Or did he just get it off before the traps were there?
@@benjaminwhite8145 Correct, Jinx E takes time to arm.
@@ShogoLoL ive just been getting into adc lately, was just wondering if auto attack move without the range indicator would work just as well for kiting. I dont remember when or how I set that up but i have and ive used it for ages when doing jungle camps. Been tryna incorporate it into adc gameplay. Does it matter if i use the "smart cast" version or the one you use that has a range indicator. Sorry if this is a bother, ty in advance!
@@dokkie9979 I would suggest using range indicator to get a feel for different ADCs and their ranges :)
This coaching is a blessing for us ADC mains. Shogo is insane.
true af
Shogo is a god frl i won’t be surprise if he will be in g2
@@isgaming3576 he's challenger, not g2...
@@jbrnsek g2 is a pro team
"I think youe end, You just ride the wave"
Trundle: *tanking every tower shot even with wave literally coming right behind him* "I am the wave"
Me a cultured tower taker: Trundle is the wave the wave
It's crazy how many turret shots you can tank as your average toplaner at 20 minutes
@@18skeltor take while also doingmassive damage to tower without minions
@@18skeltortoplaners are just broken in general they are designed and built based on winning 2v1 fights like look at illoui darius gragas sion etc. They all got big aoe that hits multiple targets can tank so much damage and sustain long enough to draw in a teammate
Vayne has entered the chat
@@dylansmith6078they get kited out a lot of times though. That’s why stridebreaker had to lose its dash.
at 28:41 , 16.28 minutes after buying 3 pots, Neace finds the courage to chug the first one,
what a champ.
I love these =) Really shows how much you actually care about giving us the best coaching possible
OOOOowweeeee Im tryin'!
@@NEACE how did you carry? I thought you were too busy struggling in bronze…lol
@@TheGreatFapsby not everyone that runs a business care this much bro 😉 It's good to see that he takes this seriously 😊
@@djturbo89 xD
Wow, even as a student, neace is still teaching us. He is the embodiment of the perfect student. Focuses on listening. No ego. Admits his weaknesses and stays humble. Respects the coach and tries his best. All while still maintaining the confidence needed to improve.
Loved how supportive and patient shogo was too, really praising the things that Neace is doing well.
Not gonna lie it's cool that Neace isn't against getting himself coached despite all of his experience with the game and how good he's gotten
A true master is an eternal student
as much as I hate playing against Yi, (as an iron player it's hard to get teammates that know how not to die to him... along with eve) he does say some good one liners
@@WanderingShogun3142 Truue
Why lie tho
When one person buys Neace's coaching, Neace can then afford 5 coaching sessions from legitimate challenger players who consistently hit top ranks. Watching Neace play and struggling in Gold Elo is kind of rough.
31:05 How is no one talking about how insane this diana play was? 4 man R into stopwatch hits every single person chunking all of them for perfect jinx follow up and even lives. Diana played this crazy well.
Its just diana things, nothing special there
what was insane about it? thats like the only purpose of diana in teamfights, dash in, ult, stasis. it wouldve been impressive if she coulde E2'd out somewhere without using stasis
Nobody talks about it because even a first time Diana can do that. She is a broken easy champ, I don't get why are you so amazed.
@@AngelusArgentum I’ve had Diana’s with thousands of mastery points never hit 2 people let alone 4 with their ult. Stop being a cringe loser and playing dumb. A 4 man Diana R is not easy to hit especially if the enemy team knows your looking for it. Diana may be strong but she isn’t master yi easy. I think your just angry because you probably can’t do that on Diana even if you tried.
@@pjp7316thing is I've seen Diana players rush in and die multiple times. Not that easy but not too hard.
As an adc main, there were things I highly enjoyed. The whole idea of A clicking “orb walking” VS Shift right clicking “space gliding”. Because I was struggling with people telling me that I NEED to which to the space glide method because it’s overall “easier” and more efficient but now I feel justified.
attack move on click for me so i can just left and right click. If i need to select something i shift left click.
@@maddocksjos same for me even since before they implemented it. u could put a couple of lines in the settings textfile ... what is spacegliding bythe way?
Can you explain to me what "A clicking" is? Like, what settings do I have to change in order to do that? I can figure it out with the settings if you tell me, I just don't get the terminology lol. Thanks in advance.
@@maddocksjos same, thought i was missing something other than not getting the auto attack range indicator
@@nomoretwitterhandles You don't need to change any settings. It works by default. You press the 'A' key, which 'manual casts' an 'autoattack spell' of sorts. You then left click to select your target (you can also click on the ground and it will still work, which is why it's better than trying to right-click precisely). You then right click to input a move command like normal. Then you repeat.
Wow that minion buff concept just blew my mind, I've played more than 2000 games and I didn't know that, so many times I couldn't freeze when behind and I just thought I was doing it wrong.. 10/10 coach
If you were behind the enemy minions would be stronger right? So it'd be easier to freeze
@@fashionsuckman4652 yeah i just tend to overshoot how many minions I need and they end up under tower because they're too strong
I knew about tower buffs but nothing at all about minion buffs :o
thanks to this free content ive improved and got past silver haha now on my way to plat
U better follow like and subscribe or else ur a peeping teemo
Keep climbing gamer
Absolutely insane. Incredibly fun to watch. I recently gave up on adc even though it's my most comfortable role. But this has given me hope.
Shogo checking if Neace has stopwatch on a comfy key is beautiful, it's like the student nodding to his master
The thing about the minion buff has been in the game for so long now. I learned about minion levels breaking freezes back in season 3. So when they added a buff to go along with it, I was quick to notice Also the super minions have an aoe buff that makes the other minions stronger.
Anyone else notice at 24:55 Pantheon just minding his own business just to get clocked by Neace's rocket lol
haha first
That’s cheating actually
Honestly this is some of my favorite content from you NEACE, because seeing some little tips and tricks is nice, but seeing the high level game knowledge and champion knowledge come out from these players is top tier. As soon as i see this videos I gotta watch them compared where as i may skip others. Keep it up, I cant wait for the next one.
All your content, from getting coached, all the way through chill neace, makes league seem a little less overwhelming.
The way you frame the game “I feel like Reksai is here a lot”, breaking concepts down, emphasizing the basics.
It’s really top tier content Neace👌🏼
31:20 when Neace barely got reminded to galeforce, could have also turned on Q for 200 more attack range too
32:05 good use of Q on reaching the tower for an extra auto though
I think this was the best coaching so far, and you've had some amazing coaches on here (really liked the Ahri vid as well). I think this also will make you that much better of a coach. Good shit, man.
Appreciate it!
i really enjoy these sessions! eventhough i dont main a fiora or a jinx, i will play them in norms and arams. its been like 2 or 3 little things in each video so far that are just easy to remember and apply if youre playing these champs that can make a huge a difference. the fiora vision and shaco trick, the jinx minimum range for max R dmg and the "auto reset", its just good stuff to know and also to know what they COULD do to you, if youre facing them.
18:18 Tier 2 boots gives you movespeed, and the reason why its so good, which wasn't explained, is because pyke is Q reliant. Survivability is incredibly important on ADC, and having that movement speed is actually way more important than doing damage just for the simple fact that, as we've talked about before in this video, we want late game. It's so incredibly important to remember that winning isn't because you do the most damage, it's because you avoid the most damage and survive long enough without feeding to have extra time to find openings to exploit your enemy.
wow thanks captain obvious
Should I tell him guys?
I'm gonna tell him.....
The more attack speed you have ('Zerkers) the more dps (damage per second) with auto attacks, adc (Attack DAMAGE carry) is reliant on DAMAGE. Whoever does the most damage wins the game 😂😂😂
@@OLDPEDOJOE its not about damage its about survivability. I see you don't follow very much of the pro scene lol
@@DevilWearsAdidas I just can't follow your Silver logic is all.
@@DevilWearsAdidas I just can't follow your Silver logic is all.
I don't know if you got a new editor or what, but the production of your videos is on another level lately. Excellent.
What a game. When a coach as experienced as NEACE can discover something by getting coached you have to respect the game. Much respect too for a coach willing to be coached.
Went from low silver to G1 from these free content. 61% winrate overall and 68% on my otp. Almost to Plat :D!
Seeing Neace learn is probably the most informative thing I receive on this channel. Not because its niche knowledge, but its because Neace delves into the information deeply and really tries to explore the why when he doesn't know something.
I'm loving the new intro for the video, please keep them in for the next ones :D Thanks for the great video as always Neace!
Shogo: "Galeforce"
Neace: "Say no more" *wipes entire team*
Neace: "I did a dumb dumb. My bad"
Shogo: "It's fine"
Shogo's thought: "Wtf is wrong with this guy? Brain stopped working? No coaching will be enough. FF. Go next"
37:54 "Now you get to eat superminions for free", Neace:
😂❤
Shogo when Neace takes chickens after being told to go straight to baron: "WHY AM I EVEN HERE?"
@bo rick nice idk if you’ve seen a lot of Neace but it was a reference to Neace blowing up on students when they ignore what he says and do something else
Great video. I like the fact that neace was receptive to all points by someone with higher knowledge. This is a great example that if people remove ego, it will take you further.
This was both amazingly helpful while also being an amazing game to watch. I never comment on UA-cam videos, but I can't help but comment on Neace's videos.
I see the good marketing man :) NEACE is smart in many areas
You've worked hard and deserve every piece of success you got, keep up man!
Really enjoyed the vibe and banter in this video. Great work
Couple of things:
1. Use your rocket as your primary dmg, you always want to be on the edge of your aa range and only switch to minigun when THEY get too close, not you.
2. Use your galeforce only as a positioning tool (like you would use your flash), unless galeforce is the last tick of dmg you need to finish someone and not die.
3. You dont have to buy full tier 2 boots. You can also go for fast mythic to have pressure/kill potential in lane. Especially on more aggro/contested lane.
if one of the best Jinxs in the game tells you to rush boots, you rush boots.
@@RC.13 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority
Outer Towers permanently get more armor as the plates go down. In addition to more armor from the bulwark buff when 2 or more champions are nearby as plates go down (which lasts only 30 seconds).
Neace looks genuinely happy. And that makes me happy.
I've been trying everyrole to find the best position for me and adc has been my favorite so far . Something about glass cannons always keeps you on ur edge.
20:50 is the part of Neace surprised piece of knowledge, ty later :D
I have right click for movement and leftclick for kite, it makes it really easy to kite, but sometimes mess up skills because if u left click on bad spot it will aa a minion for example.
i have everything on quickcast for that reason
and if i want it to be a normal left click i set it up to shift + left click
The ganuine happiness in Neace’s face when he get’s praised by Expert Jinx is wholesome af.
I like these types of videos by Neace. Very, very informative
21:30 this is what seperates a challenger player from dia and lower
Yo, the Editing on this Video is pretty stellar, how you sped up the vod but kept all the dialog and re synced it.
WHOA- 21:30 MINION ACADEMY, been playing 13 yrs, 6.4 mil Jhin Xp, NO CLUE, THANK YOU , great addition NEACE
Just having the voice in the ear saying "Remember you have galeforce" was impactful 3 separate times. it's almost like having two supports. great coaching
As a jinx lover this one hit the spot. I love watching the Neace gets coached videos. I hope one day I can afford some coaching! Keep it up man, and thank you for cleaning up my mental more then anything in the game.
Shogo didn't point it out, but in first 2 fights where Lulu died (specially the second one), shouldn't NEACE have been hitting the Vayne instead of the 70 armor Pyke?
Id also suggest to spam / cancel just pressing A and looking to your AA range very often throughout the game. Many pros do this (Im starting to do it since i saw Gumayusi doing it). I have the idea that our brain may shorten a bit the range of your champion to make sure you always reach something when you attack , anyway , true that or not , the habit is SUPER healthy and should do wonders for lower elo players.
36:46 I would have Flashed on that Pyke so hard! Even though the Taliyah is around the corner, I believe in the Neace outplay.
This was a great coaching session! Shogo seems really calm and even toned. I would be interested in seeing a session where Shogo coaches an argumentative player to see how he handles that situation.
When you said the nuances I literally looked like that Leonardo DiCaprio meme lol I actually pointed at the screen and said “Yes!” Probably a bit too loud but I don’t know why but that really resonated with me
Finally an adc coaching session
RUNES 3:30
Lethal Tempo
Presence of mind
Bloodline
Cut down
Galeforce
Ingenious Hunter
Krakenslayer
absolute focus
gathering storm
@Neace there is an option to assign a hotkey to "attack move + click". If you assign A to that, you no longer have to left click. You can just hit "A" as long as your cursor is where you want to attack move and then right click to normal move. Isn't this easier than including left click?
Lmao that lulu pinging neaces heal when she still had ult XD
Neace- “making it to challenger on 80 ping is a huge accomplishment”
Me- “getting 80 ping is a huge accomplishment”
as a jg main, this was insaaaaane knowledge for wave management. defenitely gonna check minions more often to see that buff, to help my lanes. holy smokes this was such a good videooooooo!
Glad you liked it :)
Oh my god what the hell, that ult at 24:55 hit Pantheon, that's hilarious!
Got to say bro was extremely impressed by the ADC gameplay and Jinx plays as well!
I am bronze in euw, and i've been using the increased stats of one wave against the other for a long time now, so knowing that many Challengers dont know it hits different B)
If you're bronze and are succesfully using wave management against other players... then i dont even want to know what are the actions keeping you in bronze xD
26:00 Idk if he always plays Jinx 24/7 on minigun, but that Q is being maxed for two reasons, the attack speed and the range. I would much rather use the slow cannon for the first 6+ attacks of a fight until my Tempo is fully stacked so that my minigun will benefit from the already buffed attack speed + already buffed attack range. I think that makes more sense, playing the beginning of a teamfight from a safer distance, until you're strong enough to deal much more serious damage.
Amazing trick about the minion buffs! I only thought it mattered when you took towers but it's good to know sometimes why my freeze turns into a slowpush. Also love the pinglish, gotta learn to improve on it too
Idk if I like Neace, but I respect the heck out of him after watching his content.
Watching this coaching was incredible. You are a great student. Amazing.
The fight before 20:00 or so. I think if you place traps for vayne instead of pyke Lulu lives, or at least she isn't one shot and you get to run. Much alike when you are playing support and the enemy support grabs your adc, you should go for theirs, not cc the support who has already used all of his resources. Hope it makes sense 😃. It's really nice having more adc coaching content with your style, neace. Big supporter from Argentina, keep it up!
That was exactly what I’ve been trying to say the whole time. You have to play the game with more details put into it if you were to hit high elo in Asia. If you can play out those details in NA you can hit challenger.
8:50 as veigar cage (E) does. But there are jumps which cant be stopped for example Warwick, Malphite, Yone ult.
Edit: You can also drop the traps behind you, for example against Zed ult or Master Yi Q to catch them right as they become targetable again.
As a WW main I can say I notices it’s almost a 50/50. Theres a bug with WWs Rs when it comes to stuns. Weird as shit. Been like this all 3 seasons I’ve played, unless I’m trippin lol.
@@yungmxlli745 Warwick is only during the leap CC immune. After wards, like as long as he stands and scratches he can be cc'd.
You can leap trough the cage as warwick, but if you are touching the cage as you hit a champ with your ult, warwick will be cc'd by cage and the scatching will be cancelled.
It might even work like Ornn W.
As long as he breathes flames he is cc immune.
So for example Ornn gets hit by a maxxed out Morgana root, right as he starts breathing flames. He makes his steps forward as part of the spell, but right as it ends, he will be rooted for the remaining duration of the morgana snare.
Oh shit I got confused for a sec at 19 min.
the fast forwarding while keeping the comms on normal is actually rly nice. great way to fill in gaps instead of just cutting chunks out! havent seen that before, smart move :)
35:08 “What are we doing here? Trying to tunnel to Narnia?!”
20:00. Your autoattacks are everywhere. Idk why he's not telling you that. You start by focusing Pyke (which has a very easy and often escape) whereas Vayne is the actual damage dealer of the lane. Instead of focusing Vayne who was in your range and hopefully getting her low enough for a kill all the way, you went haywire and switched between both of them. Since both of them had their focus on Lulu until she died, you could have just attacked Vayne and go afk. No need to A/Leftclick when you just have to focus a single target, since you're not focused at all for the most part of the fight.
The intros are fire lately, damn. Editors going ham
This video is a good example of if you don't know the champ the macro suffers too. It's why Neace tells you to hyperfocus on champs. For example at 32:10 Shogo tells him to get the tower, which Neace normally would have done on his own, but because he's focused on Jinx he forgets to.
16 nad a half minutes in Neace finally uses his first of three health pots he bought at the beginning of the game for sustain in lane
Trundle was head down on an absolute mission in the end
0:35 THE ONE PIEEEECEEEE. THE ONE PIECE IS REEEEEAAL
"I think you just end, ride the wave" Trundle: am I a joke to you?
Damn that minion pushing buff is insane, crazy how it DEFINITELY isn't common knowledge
I miss Shogo, I always rushed to get my VODs reviewed by him.
4:55 - I have played Jinx like 3 times and I knew that.
If anyone of you guys watching have difficulty with the “A Button + Click Autoattack”, there’s a hotkey option which is a single button A + click combined (auto attack move key). I personally use “T” for this, and ever since, my adc gameplay has improved by 200%, you should try it out. This helps on all roles but adc is the most notorious.
"With 80 ping" THIS MAN JUST WALKED ON WATER!!!!
41:40 It would be so interesting to interview thebaus about the way he understands the game xD
I am absolutely loving the promo like intros
Top notch content, great theory and great plays. Pleasure to watch.
This is INSANE value dude holy shit
at 10:36 how did he kite like that? if I right click down like he does and then just attack move it will attack the closest dummy, not the upper one? and why dont we see his cursor move?
Discord screen share didn't capture the cursor, he moves his cursor close to the dummy for each "a left click". Make sure to turn on the option "attack move on cursor". That will make your attack move target whatever is closest to cursor.
Love the Neace gets coached videos.
Very thought provoking. To be perfectly honest, since I average 180 ping, I typically don't bother with ranked. I literally only play it when draft is taken down. Ngl, I average like, bronze, but I'm typically told I should actually be of a silver/gold level, lol, big whoop right, well, I know, whatever.
The Iron Throne is the manliest throne.
That's my excuse anyway.
That said just wanted to say I appreciate your content.
Godspeed Neace.
I'd a gigamabazillion % get your coaching if I could afford it.
For all those wondering, a "pro" account, is an account Riot gives you if you are bad at the game and are having trouble climbing. It gives boosted lp gains for wins, and low lp losses for losses. GJ. Reward bad players.
oh shit.. neace.. I used to watch your twitch streams and even play with you when we weren't that good.. at least 5-6 years ago.. at least! You used to coach! Good to see you're doing good my man..
Question: Why use A+left click instead of the faster "just A" bind that exists?
I've been kiting for years with A, right click and it feels much more comfortable and practical to me.
Also, scrolling camera with m3 drag instead of panning from the edge (using m3 in between right clicks to always have my mouse centered around where I want it instead of having to move away to the side which I find awkward).
It's definitely better, but u have to go out of your way to rebind attack move click. never really see people recommend that anymore so I just keep the sauce for myself
You are using the smart cast version(Attack move click) instead of attack move. Its faster than attack move, only downside is u can't see your range as ADC. As mentioned in this video, even Gumayusi regularly spams the button A to see his max range
I play the same way :D Protip: swap M3 and M1 in your mouse drivers if you can... L-click camera drag op :D
@@talonsflamed6693 me personally I have the button to see my auto range on x, but when I need to be quick I use A
I like the camera m3 bind but tbh i prefer a +left click. I think its really easy to leave the pinky on A and move up for abilities
I can't wait for neace to get coached by a kassadin main and/or ekko main.
I remember reading the minion stuff on the patch notes. I still think or have been thinking about that for the longest time about why and how waves are the way they are. So it sometimes messes with my mental when we're down and people don't know/understand that.
Holy mama your videos are getting higher and higher in quality this is some damn good content dude
I’m a Bronze Jinx main and he didn’t explain a bunch of mechanical stuff that even I know. You should use your W between autos as a combo (for example when farming camps or doing objectives, in fights if you’re good enough), the Q AA reset thing actually has more uses such as better DPS against turrets if you literally just spam Q, you don’t need your minigun fully stacked just 1 hit gives AS which can be transfered to rockets for better DPS than just using minigun (this only works early game with boots and mythic at most, as the more AS you have the better just using minigun becomes because of the 1sec cooldown on Q). Your Ult splash dmg damages minions which means you can use it to hit a champ at an objective and steal the objective, it does more dmg than Smite once you’re big enough and I feel like giving 3 drakes without ever trying an R steal was a bad call from him when coaching. Flash W is also an important tool to get more range on your W but maybe he assumed that was obvious.
I also think the wave management could be improved at the start of the game, would’ve loved to actually hear his opinion but it wasn’t brought up. I would’ve done a cheater recall for Cull, I love that item as Jinx as it gets you to your 3-items spike much quicker but he just made you stay in lane.
I would’ve liked to hear more about runes because I always play with Cosmic Insight and free biscuits runes, which he doesn’t even bring up, I just feel like my laning phase is terrible without the biscuits (especially post-nerfs with higher Q cost) and I like Cosmic Insight for both Galeforce and Flash, also Heal as an immobile ADC I die a lot.
The things I didn’t know were R max dmg matching W range, the buffering abilities into CC, I knew about E stopping dashes but never applied it as much as I should and didn’t think about Lee Q2 for example.
He was probably focusing on the fundamentals of the adc role but I don't disagree with most of the Jinx-specific stuff.
I wouldn't do a cheater recall for cull. They both decided it wasn't a good idea to do it for dblade probably since wave didn't crash.
The biscuits aren't worth it. Resolve or sorcery far better. The small sustain compared to the scaling is negligible particularly below gold where people throw all the time and matches run long.
When youre lookin to lesrn things and the first thing neace didnt know i knew but never thought about it :Ooo
that minion lane xp thing was good to know
It makes so much more sence now why it is so impossible to push when my mid and top are 3 levels behind their laner