@@themaltman34 It's really not. His entire brand is being this straight forward with clients who pay for his time, knowledge, and experience. So him just being, what's seems like extra straighforward isn't bad. It's just more on-par with what we should expect from Neace
All the guy had to do was press W lol. It was really a simple concept he wasn't grasping. Neace laid out the plan and the guy was vaping shoveling cashews in his mouth and watching chat going ungabunga instead of trying to get value from the coaching.
@@themaltman34 neace has one job, and its to make the clients better players after, not to be their friends, he's straight to the point, and if its anyone who has a horrible look for, it's the client with plat-egoitis, especially with his responses (or there lack of) to the answers neace asked him towards the end
I’ve never played wukong in my life but I feel like I now know him better than the champs I do play. E, Auto, Q, W or short trade E,Q,W or E, auto, Q, W behind him into an R. I don’t know if wukong automatically autos with his E but you kinda get the point
I mean it's only a coaching session so long as the client is willing to listen and do what is asked of them and ask questions after the play is over/post match. A lot of the people he uploads here refuse to listen and love to make excuses, as is common place with low elo league players. It's never their fault, it's always something else.
Yep then Neace ends it with "I don't think you got much from this coaching session". Ummm sir that is at least partially your fault as the fucking teacher.
you wouldnt notice a whole cat showing up on your screen? i dont think its so out of the ordinary to peek at stream while youre on your way to lane lol
I'm gonna go out on a limb for this one. I do believe this guy came to learn, he's just not able to process things quickly. I'm thinking all that muscle memory of shitty Plat Wukong is what prevented him from instantly adapting. I personally play worse when talking with friends on Discord. I need to put music on to get in the zone and concentrate. I think maybe this guy just isn't great at learning on the fly and need more preparation. He's young, and self-conscious, I think it's understandable he'd be a bit nervous with the chat. No excuse with the vaping/eating excuse though. Dude needs to focus up.
As Neace mentioned at the end, he was deflecting to save face. He obviously was not confident at all. In my opinion instead of taking a hard stance as Neace always does it would be the right choice to take a soft stance for this guy. For instance simply asking him why he is reading chat, eating what ever in a ranked game (I am pretty sure it was a deflecting behaviour as well). Neace could have easily getten him into closing his stream, stop eating or drinking while in game, doing the combo or leveling with the keyboard if he would have taken a softer stance. I am very sure about it. I am pretty sure, as he somewhere mentioned for instance that he did not have the bindings for leveling the r. Just call him out after the game and let him change it. He most definitly had different things on his mind to do it himslef. But well, he should have also known how Neace goes about things. And Neace is not particulary wrong, that this is indead an ego thing. And I am pretty sure the guy himself is aware of it. Its just a 'different' ego thing than what people in the comments proclaim it to be.
@@Chaist1994 I think you are completely right, and Neace should not always go for the roasting strat imo. Sometimes its more constructing to be calm and point them on faults in a more subtle and specific way. But yea, I guess his coaching sessions are more becoming a sitcom tbh. Love the content tho !
@Mubu Mubu I do not really get your point, but I can respond to what I have understood: He did prepare, he mentioned so in the video even; maybe to little, but my point is that it is a scale not binary. He was respectful, to a degree, obviously eating in the session was not. You cannot single out instances of his behaviour and proclaim him to be disrespectful through out the whole session. Also respectfulness or politeness may differ from culture to culture. Heck even different regions of the same country may have different standarts theirein. I am very sure he was mentally prepared to learn. Your metaphor doesnt really fit in my opinion and to my observations. So yes it was embarrassing, but not only because of that guys behaviour, but also because Neace made it so. The guy could have behaved in a way so Neace could do his usual thing, or Neace could have done differently to get the guy to do what he suppose was right. I did not judge, I just stated that the option exists.
"I'm drinking water, I'm vaping, I'm eating cashews...(reading chat too)." Funny how he didn't deny not watching the map but denies reading the chat. I agree, it's right in front of him lol
@@ericaramos3307 The coaching session was horrible due to the client thinking it was a joke, why would neace refund it if he was trying to do his job? And yes vaping is a problem when it comes to you paying 250$ to goof around and eat cashews, it's fine if he does that when he is playing alone, not in a streamed coaching session that was expensive...
@@juliusthebeaver5326 it's his money ain't it 😭 if he wants to have the full experience see himself on the stream see what the chat thinks of how he's doing that's his prerogative isn't it?
@@MegaDlarge Of course, but then if he wants to do that he doesnt has the right to complain about the coaching or about being roasted, nor does Neace need to refund him.
@@juliusthebeaver5326 Basically I just thing he has the wrong impression on this one, I think it's because he has had many clients who behave as he describes in the past. There was a solid 2 month period on the channel where arrogant clients were meta, it was pure entertainment. But I do think that those experiences have put him in a place during this session where he was just triggered by one thing the fella did and then just started picking at him.
I have no idea what this guys history is, but his responses to Neace remind me alot of my own Trauma responses. As someone who was ridiculed heavily most of my childhood I tend to interpret most criticism as an attack because in my experience as a child with criticism came ridicule and attacks to my self worth. This kind of conditioning can make coaching incredibly challenging, At first he is trying to laugh off the yelling from Neace to disengage, later he is just trying to be the first to criticize himself before Neace even mentions it to try to maybe avoid the taunting, (And it was taunting, theres no need to be that condescending to someone in a coaching situation other than appeasing other people for entertainment) then by the end he has given up. He has resigned himself to the fact he will not receive any positive reinforcement for anything he does right and will constantly receive negative reinforcement for mistakes he makes. So he just removes all attachment to the situation and this is where we here him saying stuff like "Chat Im just playing league" and "Does it not feel like im following your instructions" Now maybe there was alot more context in the entire live stream but this just feels super familiar to me as someone who has spent quite a bit of time in therapy trying to fix my own trauma responses. This video does feel like it was intentionally edited to highlight the drama so maybe it was alot more cordial than this but I just felt kind of bad for this guy the whole time.
Yea, whis was exactly my take on it as well. To a certain extent it does really sem like the guy was genuenly trying, but it's like there is something that is a bit off somehow. Could be problems with attention like ADD or ADHD, but it felt more like there was a different reason for the attention being a bit off. Not sure. But it really feel the familiarity in that type of response, like the type of avoidant trauma response you get when there is self-worth wounds. . And i would also agree that Neace being that condescending was really unnecessary. So i feel like it's a bit of a wierd situation were you can't really say for sure what happened or who was really in the wrong.
@qeuarfbhq3iwushbq Not really. Platinum is literally gold level mechanics with slightly better farming and teamfighting/objective play. Platinum players get an ego because they FINALLY escaped the pit of despair that is gold elo and they're "so close!" to Diamond that they feel they have the right to have an ego. They don't. That's why the majority of them stay in Plat 4/3.
@@TheKittyClink Delusional player. If you think the only way to get to plat is by just spamming games and "getting lucky" then you are coping hard so you can excuse your own inability and short comings in your play.
I've only watched the first game but Neace is blowing this way out of proportion so far. He clearly E Q W'd on Shaco several times in lane, yeah he could have done it more but he's trying to follow Neace's directions to avoid the boxes. When Neace freaks out on him at 14:50, he literally takes a single auto from Senna that did less than 50 damage. There's zero reason to waste your W there. I would check out mentally too, it's just bad coaching to yell at your student when they haven't even done anything wrong.
@@kellenoneill2050 Using it a few times correctly out during games that can last up to an hour doesn’t not translate to a win as much as understanding your champion and literally just hitting the W button after you go in ALL THE TIME when you’re taking a short trade are actually very different things that Neace was trying to coach. Hitting W should be muscle memory, it’s not something you really “optimally use”.
@@kellenoneill2050 Part of good coaching is making someone feel comfortable. This guy is making content a la LS. And I like both, but this is obviously intentionally overblown into "PLAT EGO"
@@cloudownsyounoob It really isn't. IF you pay me to coach you how to do something and come with that attitude of not paying attention to the game and instead watching what fking chat says, then Im screaming at you till you start listening. Comfort on classes is a privilege you earn by being polite and listening. Try teaching anyone anything for a living and you'll see how it goes.
Aye man I hope this guy is ok, I think he was a tad ego but didn't deserve all this, he ain't that bad of a person and tried make light of the situation
Yeah man idk about all of that. He played poorly and didn't listen to Neace, while transparently being too distracted with what was going on in the stream to give his attention to the game and to his coach. I think it's fair to be irritated with someone for wasting your time, especially when it's been made clear that the time they're spending together is explicitly set aside for this guy to improve. From an outside perspective, it looks like he dropped $250+ just for a little bit of time on stream. He is literally being coached by one of the best players/coaches in the world and still finds the gall to argue about fundamentals on a champion he has spent literally hundreds of hours playing. Like it or not he probably needed to hear the shit Neace was saying, but he also didn't seem to be interested in internalizing any of it because he's so self assured. He tried making light of the situation because he was backed into a corner - he tried making a bunch of weak excuses for his behavior and got called out for it on repeat. idk man.
I do believe some people need the yelling type of approach (tough love coaching). However in this case I don't think it was the correct choice. Neace also had his ego problems, you saw how bad he wanted to be right in this scenario. I think you just logically need to explain to this client without raising your voice why you are upset with how he acted during this session. Tell him to take it seriously, close everything except the game on his computer, get rid of distractions and focus up. If he had the type of ego problem Neace was referring to he wouldn't even have tried to do anything he told him
Exactly, so far I'm at 20 minutes and the guy is taking it all like a champ, Neace so far has repeatedly yelled at him and otherwise been toxic and the guy is like "ok, you're right, I gotta do the combo right". Fucking 0 ego. I can understand that he eventually gets defensive if he spent a whole hour getting fucking yelled at. Like yeah, maybe the guy needs to focus more but that's not how you get results as a coach.
@@LegionL-A so the right thing to do as a coach is to accept that he wont listen to your fucking advice and just suck that up ? neace is a coach who is not there to care about your feelings, hes there to MAKE. YOU. BETTER. the guy was repeatedly told what to do and just said "yeh bro! haha! frrr!!!" and barely put it into action at all. + for WHAT reason is he buying coaching and then watching neaces livestream and talking to chat aswell? did he pay for a stream segment or coaching?
I felt like the dude was trying and was really humble when taking criticism - to me it seemed like Neace formed an opinion early on and just gave up any patience for him lol
Yeah, guy should be maybe a bit more focused, but Neace was being an asshole from start to finish. Like, yeah, some people need a few more repetitions before they get something down, that doesn't mean they have ego problems. The ego on Neace though... Like this guy doesn't even want to consider for a SECOND that maybe his coaching approach isn't ideal. He has ZERO doubts that "he's the one that's got it all right and ALL of his clients are trash". He can't POSSIBLY be the one that's a shitty coach if his clients aren't getting great value out of their coaching, right? Essentially Neace is deflecting 100% of the responsibility on "everyone else". No ego Neace, amirite?
@@LegionL-A fr his argument for roasting this guy was full of "it looks like" "seems like" "your tone suggest", the guy always tried to follow instructions, he never argued, never was disrespectful. this is a coaching session paid by a client, not fucking middle school.
@@kinoo4496 the guy maybe wanted to look cool for stream but this was far being a huge ego dude just thought it was cool he was on a big streamers stream
I just uninstalled League and wanted to THANK you NEACE. I was a hardstuck Gold player for 3 seasons and after watching your content I literally reached Plat 3 and now I quit because I realised it takes a lot of f***ing time and grind to reach Diamond that I honestly don't have. Maybe next season I'll aim for it. Thanks again coach! I appreciate for putting it out for free.
Wow, I'm in the same boat as you. Got to Plat 3 this season, used to be hardstuck in Gold. I tried for a bit to push for Diamond but it just takes far more effort and time than I'm currently willing/able to do.
Like Diamond is the goal that redeems you from all your mortal sins..... I reached Diamond 5 years ago by playing like 30 games per Season and just watching gameplay of chinese 1500lp+ people who play my champs. But like a normal human I realized at some point that rank is totally irrelevant and now im Gold 1, dont give a fuck about anything game related and im happy af. Dont aim for Diamond, aim, to imrpove or aim to have fun.
@@MittyNispa while it is nitpicky, they also do have a bit of a point. When you are with a team and playing flex to practice for tourneys etc.... are you going to be having a stream up? No, you shouldn't. That is things off to the side for distraction. Best i would have up is some music. Also, him talking about what the chat is saying is very similar to in game chat.... both are useless for you while you are in a game and trying to learn and climb. It is also disrespectful to the coach that the person paying attention to things that do not matter.... instead of, as mentioned by another person.... looking at the state of other lanes. He also is not mentally preparing himself to even do the E Q W. He is not looking at his wave, and looking for patterns with how the enemy laner is moving... or looking around the jungle for things like scrying blooms hit. The list goes on. What he was looking at was Neaces chat and then was getting mentally distracted because they were roasting him. Because that is where his focus seemed to lay at that point in time, and what was most important for him at the time.
That one was a head scratcher cuz the whole point neace was trying to make was: you’re not focused and his response was: that’s not true I’m vaping and eating snacks
@@noodleramen2217 plat is where people try hard to actually climb. Its not like gold or silver. Its a competitive game dude you need to be all there every second in the game. Sometimes its okay to go for a quick slurp but thats about it.
I'm gonna come back for a 2nd coaching when I finally hit d4. But man, I hope I don't develop an ego issue when I get to plat. Almost there and the journey is fucking rough man. But I would've never left silver if it wasn't for neace and now. I'm hovering between gold 1-2 consistently. Oof.
You think Plat ego is bad??? Come into mid/high diamond and see how they are. Literally cannot tell the difference between these idiots and Plat or Gold other than the shown ranked border.
@@MiloThatch420 looks like you lurk in the comments on all of his videos trying to point out things he gets wrong from time to time but I doubt you’ve ever been as high elo as NEACE has so shows what you know buddy
It's a mix, you need to have a passion/ego to know that you can be the best in any situation while also being able to acknowledge when you aren't living up to that. This is true of any competition and the truly best will be able to balance both.
@NorseViking84 passion and ego are two sides of the same coin. Look at competitors like Michael Jordan, Cristiano Ronaldo, Lebron James. Egos that were properly fostered to make their vision of themselves as the best a reality.
@NorseViking84 facts lmao I mean look at Lebron one thing a lot of people hold against him is that he self proclaimed himself to be the GOAT and that just rubbed the people the wrong way cause it’s egotistical with Jordan he had an ego but not so much of an ego to impact him from not getting better
@NorseViking84 100% in physical sports, if you don't fully believe in yourself in the cage or on a platform when lifting you won't get far by just being humble alone.
@NorseViking84 well there's a difference between thinking you're a borderline demigod and thinking you're just good shit. The latter is imo just not being delusional with your own self worth and having some healthy confidence. Rhonda was straight up delusional to the point she thought she even beats up all the men. Like Mike Tyson is super cocky, but if he said he'd beat a bear in a fist fight that's taking it too far lmao.
I actually don't think he is egoistic. Neace is a bit too harsh on this client (actually most of his clients), it's hard to watch sometimes. With that being said, I'm still binge-watching his videos because for real, he is a good coach, he gives out so much useful tips and info, I've learned so much from his videos compared to other league youtubers but I really just wish he could be more calm and chill in the way he delivers stuff.
I disagree, drill sergeant type delivery works in certain situations. I think for what he wants them to do his delivery is always on the mark. Does it sound harsh? Yeah but I bet you won’t forget whatever he said. Think of like Gordon Ramsey, he yells, screams and rebukes very harshly, it produces great results and pops the ones that were never gonna make it in the first place. Neace is like the Ramsey of League lol
@@hunnerricketts8676 Drill sergeants are trying to break you down to build you back up stronger. That doesn't work in a single coaching session. As soon as you start making someone defensive any chance of them listening to what you're saying goes out the window. Also Ramsey is a lot more chill on the non US show, it's an act for TV lol.
I'll be honest, I've never seen a client watch the stream he's in while playing to make commentary on the comments on the stream? How do you focus on your ranked game AND coaching while watching the stream you're in? Huh? He's responding the lagging chat instead... I saw a comment once for clients Google how to be coachable, and I did that when I had my coaching session. Perhaps this fellow should look up some of that advice as well.
yeah it was pretty pathetic knowing that he's more concerned what internet strangers thought of him not using W than he was about the coaching he paid for.
Honestly, i get second hand cringe from how unpedagogical most of these coaching sessions are. The actual points are great, but they way and the mental they are fronted with, pushes a lot of unreceptive people into being less receptive. A teachers job isnt telling you what to do, but showing you how to understand how to do it yourself.
@@TheSquirrelbeastspoken like someone who's never even played a sport coaches will absolutely roast you in front of your team if your fucking up ,don't speak on sht you clearly don't know anything about
Never hit diamond, but climbed to plat numerous times. Ego gets bigger the higher the rank. I know I got a little bit of an ego myself, but this is ridiculous.
@@chez-bubulle That's just the easiest way to climb, most boring 1, but the quickest, since you just learn match ups for that certain champ. Who's gonna learn 159 champs and be equally good at high elo level, it would take 10 years to do that, smaller the champ pool the quicker is climb.
@@stefansimicic yes exactly. Not much to be proud of and ego about. Probably knows absolutely nothing about jungling, jungle tracking, ward placements, arc positioning, etc. To get higher elo you need to know the basics of every role even if you don't play them. For example as a jungler, i need to know basically every possible matchup so i know which lane will probably be ahead, behind, or going even. If you just learn to clear your camps with 1 champ and nothing else, no way you get past gold
@@chez-bubulle I would agree and disagree with you there, based on your experience it might be like that, but tbh match up doesn't always end up as predicted, especially in lower elo, watching minimap and camera (when you can) on lanes is usually enough to show you what you should gank and what is just wasting time. It is true that you need to have more knowledge as jungler than any other role. Just speaking from my own experience as I peaked plat 1 multiple seasons, but they just decided to delete my otp (old Aatrox). This guy plays only wu, I just wonder what he do when he gets autofilled or get his 2nd role (mid) does he play wu or pray that his team gives him top. Also he either needs to learn 1 more champ as backup or just needs to doge. He will hardly win any game when he gets his wu banned.
you coached a vod of mine back in the day and you and ur chat FLAMED THE SHITTTT out of me lmaooo. i was playing xin zhao and it was just so cringe, but i laughed at it and took what u said and got to plat 4 from bronze 5 :)
Ngl Neace was kinda being a piece of shit during this. If I was that kid who just paid for a coaching and struggled to learn and process everything on the fly and just getting roasted and being self conscious about everything I did, then I would probably ask for a refund and quit the game. I don’t think he came to “show off his wukong skills.” He literally said “I have no idea how this match up goes” against shaco and I think it’s a really unreasonable thing to assume that a player is going to be able to comprehend and execute every single task you give him without fail. It’s okay to be respectful every now and again, Neace. No need to be like the rest of the league community.
I recently climbed to Plat 3 from Gold and I couldn't agree more as a person who barely flames. I stopped losing games because of bad players but now I'm losing because of griefers/trollers. Like the ego gap between Gold and Plat is huuuuge. The moment I entered Plat everyone roasts you for every mistake you do or looking for something to blame and they give up or wanna ff once they go 0/3. At least in Gold they are tryharding but in Plat the challenge is mental.
Unironically gold 1 players are better than plat 4 players on average because of this reason. I've had so much experience smurfing in that elo and 100% plat 4 players are the worst. It's worse than "D4 losers queue", just more carryable.
Personally the people I met in low plat were really chill, and a lot of the games in that range were really fun because of it, I didn't start to see the huge ego until I was like plat 2, which is filled with people who were diamond in a previous season and have an ego, and a lot of smurfs from like D3 end up in high plat on their alt accounts and have an ego towards the other people there. Personally my peak is plat 1, I reached my promos into diamond and lost and I'm just trying to break that barrier now, but every time I've hit high enough plat to end up in games that were predominantly D4 I've started to dread the day I actually hit D4 since interacting with D4 players is actually my personal hell, the worst mental and worst ego I've ever seen in my life
Ehhh In my experience it's the same in Plat. Gold players have massive egos and troll/grief a TON, all they need is the slightest push to do it and no I'm not talking about chatting/toxic pinging them. Plat is the same case except people are a little less willing to do it because "some" of them have goals of diamond still. The issue in Plat is you have a mixed bag of people who still have the goal of diamond and are serious about working towards it and then you have the hardstucks who got Plat and realized that they would have to try even HARDER to reach diamond and gave up yet they still play so naturally they lean on excuses to explain their inability to climb.
I’d say I feel bad for the guy, he seems like he’s overconfident but actually sounds super nervous and sad. Bet he cried after this roasting, that was way over the top imo.
I privately tutor students and there's no worse feeling when you can tell the student didn't change anything about their perspective by the end of the session.
Bc he is bad... He is arguing with a challenger player. There's a reason he is plat and neace is challenger but yeah neace is wrong. This coaching is perfect. If you don't understand it you are worse than this plat player
Yeah the guy was just trying to have fun. If you want criticize him for not taking it seriously enough, then that’s valid. But to say he had an ego when he seemed like a completely chill dude, is ridiculous to me.
its actually kinda nuts that with all the vids neace puts out, you could probably reach diamond without paying for his coaching. Love the vids and keep up the good work
It's actually true. I've been watching Neace's videos for almost 2 years now and I've gone from Gold 4/3 to now Plat 3. His videos are tremendous help and I'm glad that he has enough reach/popularity to where he can provide people VODs like this who can't afford it.
You just hard tilted your client & refused to let it go. This just made him vulnerable & nervous in the shaco match up, one he clearly knew little about. Now yes he failed to follow commands which at his level he should understand which is why I think the best course would have been to mentally reset him. Instead, all you did was make him spiral get embarrassed, flustered & protective of ego in my objective opinion.
The guy had an ego. He just didn't know it. Neace literally asked him if he could do a basic bread and butter combo and he insisted he did, yet failed to do so consistently.
@@vDeadbolt I'm sorry, guy does not "have an ego". He agreed with EVERYTHING Neace said to him throughout the whole video and when he said "yah I can do the combo" and Neace said "then prove it to me" he was like "ok, you're right, gotta prove it". Neace was as asshole from start to finish and projected onto his student that he had an ego, then went on to cherry pick every single little detail to prove his point. When the guy finally snaps at the end of the video being told that he somehow has this huge ego problems when he's been doing his best to follow instructions (like ok, maybe he shouldn't be eating and vaping, granted), Neace is like "see, told you" (and the guy actually responds SUPER WELL to Neace's constant flaming, better than 90% of you would). Neace needs to get his head out of his ass. There's a thing called the Pygmalion/Golem effect, if you go around projecting all that shit on your students that's what your gonna find. Be better Neace.
Yea I felt the same kinda. Think neace himself got tilted with the client rather early. I'm a trainer myself and I love coaching people. Up until 2/3rds of the video neace showed very little empathic trainer skills tbh. I do understand neace tho, the clients demeanor and voice occasionally felt almost disrespectful sometimes. Idk that was a weird session tbh. Confused client with a not so professional neace
You act like he is just some goon that doesn’t know what he is talking about. If you tell someone something 10 different times and they don’t do it. When you are given the clues, insight into why he’s supposed to be doing it. And the dude is in plat. What the fuck else is he supposed to do?
@@morssusurri8316 learn social skills u can tell neace is using this doods voice to paint him as having an ego for content, replace each thing in this video with a different sounding person and a gold rank. please think for urself watch it and see if u can touch base with whats going on.
@@louiss4672 Did you listen to the way he spoke to Neace after the game? Did you miss his entire point? I'm genuinely confused how you came to the conclusion that I do not have social skills and lack the ability to see that the title says Plat Ego. Additionally at the end you can tell from the disrespectful, arrogant attitude, and dismissive he was of basic concepts through the coaching. He goes into a camp with a coach that spends thousands of hours dedicating himself to teaching people how to get better at the game. Throughout the game he is making snarky remarks as if he already knew these things going in, and if he did... why pay for the coach? If you pay attention to Neace's videos where the student is responsive and doing as Neace says as he is walking you through the game, you will notice that the experience is a lot more educational, not angry, ragefilled, as this one was. Imagine having to explain to someone the same thing over and over again and them playing it off like they KNEW what they were doing but they just simply were not doing it. That does sound frustrating to me. Last: Don't you come in here with your inability to put together a full sentence, or spell very basic words properly. Literally, it is not hard. Have a good day and get the hell out of my notifications.
@@morssusurri8316 Through out the game I think I heard one remark that could have been ego unless it was edited poorly the whole ego thing is literally reaching also I know this is a crazy concept changing the way you play when you have bad habits isn't something that happens instantly it takes time why the guy said you don't have social skills makes sense for the most part the tone of his voice is mistaken for ego
@@shinzoki3803when I'm playing ranked in league I'm not fkn eating ,drinking and talking to someone or reading chat ,I'm focused I wait till the games done to do those things
feel like Neace went a bit ham on this one and generalised the client based on his past experiences with plat players so he had a list of criteria for a plat player, client filled the criteria and roasted him just cause he wasn't performing as expected of a plat player.
Neace has a lot of really hard-set expectations of people. You can see it in this one, his first few games on chill neace season 2 where he's incredulous that some people in bronze can beat him during a laning phase (they're there cus they don't understand how to use their lead, not because they don't know how to play their champion) It can be seen in his rant about ranged top laners when he faced Senna top. He rants against "plat players with egos" etc etc. He's a crotchety old grandpa in a lot of ways.
@@Sorest2 He was given no explanation at any point about why he should be doing things, and while his position in plat indicates that he has a relatively good grasp on at least some concepts in the game, Neace held back from ever explaining why he should be using his w in a particular way. He has gotten to that level of play without mastering his champion. You know when neace gets coached and constantly learns new things about champs, even on ones like Tristana? Every other person explains how and why they do a particular thing. Neace, in the middle of this dude's game, instead tells this dude to combo in a way which is foreign to him, asking him to rewrite 100+ games of muscle memory in the course of a half hour, and *because* this guy is plat, is a dick about it from the start. Neace has admitted, in videos, that he is way nicer to people in low elo. It is an issue with the assumptions that neace makes about plat players that prevents him from treating them as though they are teachable. He doesn't even *try* to teach them, he just rags on them for not understanding a concept he hasn't bothered to explain. When the player insists he *is* capable of doing the combo, it's because he desperately wants to convince neace that he is not a lost cause, and when he does accomplish what neace has been requesting, in the second game, against Darius, after Neace finally *did* explain the concept between games, the guy understood, and was able to more consistently follow the coaching *because it made sense.* You try to learn something new *in the middle of a plat-ranked game* while the person that is supposed to be teaching you is being hostile to you. Then Neace claims that he's never had this conversation with a client about ego before. Just scroll through the thumbnails of Neace's videos and you'll find several that mention Ego in the thumbnail. Neace gets these ideas of who a player is inside his head because of their rank and starts their coaching from a hostile position because he expects them to somehow know what they do not know. He does not try to teach them because "they're a high-enough elo, they should know better" ignoring the fact they paid him $250 because they are willing to admit they *do not* know better. There was nothing willfully ignorant done by this player, nor was he ever intentionally disrespectful of Neace' coaching points. He added them to what he was doing as he came to understand them. Neace went into this expecting a hostile situation and created one. It was a good move on the part of the student to not listen any further when Neace made it abundantly clear that he was not basing his final thoughts on the player, but on his opinion of who this player represents *in neace's mind.* Now, go watch neace rant about Ranged top laners when he faced Senna top in a chill neace video and you'll see exactly the sort of pre-conceived notions that I'm talking about this man having. I believe he may have been playing illaoi at the time. Ranting about an entire sub-category of the meta, claiming he doesn't feel bad about stomping low-elo players because "they're the sort of people who don't use turn signals, etc etc etc" just because someone is playing a champion or tactic that doesn't fit with what his idea of what the meta *should be* is ridiculous. If he saw a Korean player doing well with that same build, you can bet he'd be on here talking about how it's an underrated strat that everyone should play. He's doing an entire series of off-meta builds and doesn't see how hypocritical it is to trash someone who's just trying to play a game, while ranting about how they represent scum of the earth for having chosen a particular champion and rune. I have watched a LOT of neace content lately and this opinion is not based on just one video. My respect for neace as a "coach" has all but disappeared at this point, due to these pre-conceived notions which lead him to be hostile to people right from the start of their coachings with him, with no explanation given aside from the elo they happen to be in.
Honestly I feel like his anger and “roasting” is 100% warranted. Everybody is trying to make excuses for the client but the brass tax of it is, the guy has put 3 fucking seasons and probably thousands of games into wukong. There should be very little Neace should be able to tell him about that champ that the guy doesn’t already know. He does not know that champion as flawlessly and thoroughly as he wants everyone to believe. If he did, asking for a simple and staple combo wouldn’t have been like pulling teeth. It should have been completely natural to the guy and it wasn’t. Also, getting offended that Neace is yelling at you after booking a coaching session with Neace makes you a dumbass. He isn’t a popular and respected league of legends coach because of his review videos of modern art 🤦♀️
facts how do you play a champ that much and not know all their combos and tips and tricks...there is a video on youtube called tips and tracks, build guides, how to carry with * insert champ name here * for every champ in league
the last point is stupid neace doesnt scream at girls that come on in the same way for example. Some people need a different approach and the "military seargent with guys and compassionate with women" isnt cutting it
@@walkelftexasranger thats not really true i saw him coach women who make the same mistake over and over again where he doesnt immediately start yelling and shit
Also don’t get a defensive attitude with the coach. He knew how Neace is in his videos. Take it as it is delivered, reflect on it, learn what you can, if it didn’t work for you find a different coach.
Yeaaaaahhhhhh I’m a coach, I rip my athletes a new one when they sass me. It’s a respect thing, it’s important as a coach to have a boundary of how your athletes are allowed to talk to you. You’re a huge influence on their confidence, and allowing them to talk back just isn’t an option when you’re trying to do that.
@@patticakie5861 You must also know then, though (don't know if it applies here, because I don't know the guy) that some people just sound like a dick, even though they aren't. I got the feeling that the guy genuinely wanted to learn, but interacted poorly, due to low compatibility between him and neace. Probably the clients problem, since neace coaches many, and rarely clashes like this. If anything I felt like this client had quite a low ego and was insecure, but on the surface pretend like he is not, because of the way he speaks. He failed to listen properly and do commands, because he was too nervous, but hey that's just my read. I could be wrong.
@@Pr0x1m1f1c4710n I think you're absolutely spot on. There was a serious personality conflict here. For the most part I think Neace was off with his assessment. I believe the client's insecurity was a big part of why he was checking chat. The client's attempts to brush off criticism didn't seem to sit well with Neace. Neace seems to vibe best with those who are slightly subordinate.
@@Pr0x1m1f1c4710n Oh no for sure, but that's more of a problem for a long term coach or other person to solve. For quick coaching like this, it's improtant to maintain boundaries. If one of my girls talked to me like this, I would just stop coaching her that day and tell her she can ask when she is ready to receive feedback with respect. I've done that a couple times and it does nothing but build their respect for you as their coach and that, in turn, gives them more confidence in their sport. It's weird, but your coach can't be someone you run over. Then it doesn't feel like they can tell you how to fix whatever problem you're having. tldr; this guy does have some underlying stuff, but establishing respect is more important.
9:49 was questionable. Asking him to do something with leads to him losing both sums and then his death is fine, he followed instructions on that play to his best ability even though he questioned them and didn't agree with the call he still played it out and its a scenario you both learn from. The issue comes when there is no learning from those type of plays. You try and justify constant mistakes in your decisions/coaching then raise your volume at the smallest of errors or misunderstands. The fact that he knowingly suicides because you asked him to shows he was clearly dedicated to following instructions to his best ability. You blamed this death on the way he played it then proceed to blame the lane trades. Its never a mistake if you learn from it but justifying it doesn't learn and you're constantly making mistakes and blaming something else. In short you have just as much if not more ego than he does in this session.
Nice cherry picking. Imagine misplaying 10 trades in lane and then having to fight uphill the whole lane phase and being like "nah bro I think you have the ego here".
@@NEACE misplaying? hes being coached? what does it matter if he misplays, if anything its better if he does so you know what needs working on. You coaching him on winning this 1 game or on improving? A client is expected to misplay otherwise he wouldnt need coaching. A coach isn't expected to pass blame to hide the fact he made a mistake. Question, do you think staying for that dive was the correct play still?
@@louiss4672 unfortunately they wont. Look at Neace clothes, way of talking and acting... he intentionally aims his content for cocky teenagers who will cheer up a so called "ego check" on another teenager. Like ffs, is just League, no client needs to be yelled and misstreated. If they want to throw away their money, fine, so be it. If Neace wanted to coach people interested in learning, he would cut off the session and give back the money (an never upload it). But with real content he would not get the subscribers. I literally would be ashamed of myself if I was making money with this circus.
I remember in your how to climb videos when you said the plat ego was what prevented them from climbing, I see what you mean now. Not to shit on the guy because I don't think he's terrible, plat for most players won't ever be reachable, but to get out of plat you still have to realize you have a LONG way to go before you reach diamond+.
Neace is the one with the Huge ego here! He already had a predetermined idea of this kid going in ("Platinum players have huge egos"). I honestly think Neace was just so jealous that this kid was platinum almost diamond so easily, so quickly "3 seasons". Its a game Neace has spent his entire life on, and he couldn't stand the fact someone else got to the position it took him so long to achieve. I cant believe Neace treated the kid like that at the end, the dude was being sincere about wanting to get better and learn, he actually sounded like he was going to cry. I'm sad man feels really bad. I love when Neace rips people its the best content he's got, I fucking LOVE it. But this was un called for the kid was obviously trying, while getting fucked on, what's he supposed to do not try to make it fun and laugh it off after he makes a bad play. What's the alternative smashing his PC?. Neace should be mad at Riot for the kid being ranked so high. Not the kid. Feels bad man. Feels real bad. I don't want you to stop berating people Neace its your best content, but know when to hold em and know when to fold em man. This was an obvious fold situation. :(
The only one with ego here was Neace. Yea the dude showed a lack of certain fundamentals, but it does not warrant the way Neace treated him, a paying customer. The poor dude took the abuse, and didn't retaliate with verbal assaults, and was calm and collected throughout the entire berating while attempting to placate. This imo is a perfect example of the toxic mentality of League. Just because you are challenger, doesn't give you the right to treat other players like this, especially players paying you for coaching. This is a perfect example of non-constructive abusive criticism. There is no need to be this aggressive as there are better ways of riding the civil line and catering to those who take positive and abrasive teaching stances. This was nothing but pure ego and content generation from Neace at the expense of a customer, milking it hard. Pretty shitty thing to do imo from a "coach".
I think the pressure of being on camera is understated, NEACE did well in pointing out the lowest hanging fruit for the player's game improvement. Don't really see the guy as having a HUGE ego, more like attempting to cope with getting critiqued. Its interesting that NEACE is talking about a slight attitude adjustment but the issue is that around this elo it really does become about getting the details right so the gap in skill level is huge for those who don't adopt the learning mindset.
@@iliasarroyo Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. Dude came in ok, then got slightly flamed. Then slightly improved, and then decreased play level again. Focused on chat flame and put unnecessary information on his mental stack which further dropped his ability to play. This is almost identical to the argument for never having chat on in game, its even more useless information that might illicit an emotional play/response.
@@randEveScrub the thing is the guy literally agreed to EVERYTHING Neace was telling him, up until the part where Neace starts accusing him of being there to stroke his ego. This guy was showing 0 ego and Neace just rips into him. That's not being "closed to learning", guy fucking did his best (even if he could indeed be more disciplined/close the stream) and Neace decided he knows everything and that because this guy's having a tough time he has an ego problem and that's the truth and it couldn't possibly be anything else, and that Neace couldn't POSSIBLY have approached this the wrong way. Looks to me like Neace should be the one to check his ego.
When you're eating, vaping, and watching chat instead of hard focusing on the game and the coach you spent $250 on, it's really hard to see that. His actions and behavior didn't prove it.
@@tiffaleah6690 so dont vape or eat snacks when you dead? im masters and i legit go check on my dog and come back. you have a bronze mentality lol play smooth, smooth is fast.
You can’t go into a coaching without trying your best. You can’t do your best if your focus is not there. I got coaching with Neace not too long ago. And never did it cross my mind to vape or read chat during that session. That’s taking away 5-10% of your focus or more. You can’t treat a coaching session like a regular game. Otherwise you won’t know where you need work on. Coaches can only assume what you’re good/bad at based on the games they watched you play. It’s not a large sample size; 2 games. But a good coach can see what the issues are with a small sample size.
Pretty sure anyone is allowed to spend their money however they want. If he wants to spend money with a streamer he likes by getting "coached" but actually just wanted to chill who are you to tell him what he has to do? But then again, if he knew Neace I'm fairly sure he knew what he was getting into so complaining about getting roasted was either a troll or he had his button pushed where he didn't want to.
I'm a big fan Neace, but I think the mark was missed a bit on his attitude. He was a little lackadaisical, and I think that's definitely something he needs to work on to get diamond, but I don't believe HE thinks he feels entitled to the diamond rank with his current skill level and recognizes that he needs to work on it (I got some anxiety vibes based on his attitude - not ego). I think he definitely learned from the trading discussions specifically, but it felt too harsh when he fumbled following directions. He did get defensive towards the end and said some things I don't think he actually believes. It would be nice to see a follow up coaching or discussion with this guy, but it sounded like he might be a bit anxious and not sure he will be willing to try this again with more focus.
@@Sorest2 a comment like "you should focus more if you want to climb and close stream, don't vape, take away distractions" would have been an ACTUAL coaching comment, not accusing the guy of being ego inflated when he literally agreed to everything Neace said and did his best to follow through. Neace might be a very good League player but definitely is not a very good coach.
I do think he had a point, tho he came here to chill, be friends with neace and having a great time, not to climb, i dont think its ego, neace was wrong indeed about it, and about many things about his personality, Neace shouldve said : "if ure here its not to chill and play draft its to learn and focus on getting to your goal" .
He paid around 250 dollars for a top level player to coach him. If all he wanted was to chill and be friends with Neace, he should have thrown that money in a pit of fire instead. Neace wants the guy to get better, it's just impossible for him to do so if he isn't trying at all
You wanna chill? Go outside and do whatever you want or play a MMO . When you play a game to rank up in a competitive game , you cant just chill you have to concentrate and think to play .
@@marcusmeins1839 Did u read my comment at all? Im not saying hes right, im saying he had a point, that its not ego, he came here to chill and play, thats okay for him when he plays all alone, but when u book a coach u need to concentrate in order to elevate ur game, he was wrong about come here to chill with neace, thats not what this is about.
@@vDeadbolt How is Neace the one to judge him when he's getting paid? If the guy doesn't take it seriously, then it is what it is and Neace is $250 richer for doing nothing.
@@kaedond because Neace cares about his clients improving. He doesn't want that 250 to go to waste. It's funny seeing that argument, only for the same people to get mad at companies treating their employees like trash and ripping off customers.
You’re definitely not wrong about the Diamond thing, Neace. I remember when I first hit Dimond, it felt like the best thing ever, literally like the end credits were about to roll like you said 😂 when I finally hit Masters, the feeling was the same but it felt as if the movie was only half over. Maybe I’ll hit Challenger someday and get the secret ending feeling, who knows
The video does not do Neace justice as it doesn't portray the vibe this student was giving off completely accurately. While watching live, the ego felt more present, a continuous thing happening compared to Neace being a bit nit picky like you'd think watching this video.
A good tip for spotting the real shaco After he got mythic, there is a golden/yellow border around it in the item slot(top left) when you attack him The clone has no border Hope it helps the reading person
Proves one point and one point only, good dedication gets you into diamond and higher, I’m learning so much of you Neace like you taught me alot when it comes to playing top lane Now I’m tempted to play wokong :3 i like the tricky playstyle Thank you neace for everything, everyday you teach me something new
@@raiontheone And what if it doesn’t? Not everyone is meant to have a career into pro league and at the same time not every hobby is meant for the purpose of making money of off it, there’s nothing wrong with getting better at what you love to do even if it was league of legends, this implies on most hobbies, take sketching for example, it will take alot of time so you can make profit out of it But what if you enjoy learning it everyday? :3
@@raiontheone First you say getting a high level in league is pointless, you get beat for that point, now let's bring up addiction! Did video games ruin your life buddy? Ps, I'm not saying addiction isn't a issue or anything, just don't like people that gas light out of nowhere, and why is it has lighting? Addiction is pretttty far from your original argument.
Hope this guy watches this back and realizes. Just the tone of his voice alone is telling. I sympathize as some one who has had to work on mentality and ego more than anything to progress. Not just in video games, but in all things. It is very hard to be unbiased when it comes to yourself.
Where the hell do you read an ego? We are not watching the same video. Guy literally agrees with EVERYTHING Neace tells him for the whole first game. He has difficulty adapting his mechanics. Does that mean he's ego inflated? No, dude is just trying to learn and has a whole bunch of things he's trying to do at once. . Neace is projecting super hard and actually being the ego inflated one: a humble person would ask themselves "ok, this person is not applying things the way I want them, let's find out what's getting in the way" and wouldn't automatically default to "this guy has a huge ego and isn't listening to me and I'm right now matter what". Neace needs to chill and get some coaching on how to coach.
@@LegionL-A its not difficult to use 3 point and click abilities on cooldown lol. Especially not for a platinum wukong main. Considering thats his only combo
I think he was a bit shy and wanted to come across as a confident person thats why he was giggling. He's not an asshole I bet he is a nice person with insecurities and self-consciousness
@@Souxz This is how I thought of the student as well. Maybe it takes a good month and 50 more games to capture some of the changes that were asked of them. Sometimes it takes people a while to get skills under the muscle memory. Even in plat.
@@Souxz sounds like a “you” problem. Why pay for a coach that is known to to be passionate/intolerable of stupid mistakes. I’d expect nothing less if I got coached from neace.
@@iliasarroyo That is absolutely true. Perhaps this student expected and or wanted to be the "good student" thats why at first he ignored objecting to neace screaming at him
Neace unfairly characterised him and painted an inaccurate picture of his character. And instead of giving constructive feedback, he lost his temper and began being insulting and hostile. It doesn't help the client, just makes things tense and awkward for no reason.
Plat is basically the point you reach when you have at least the bare minimum skill required to remotely play against other competitive players as well as getting large numbers of games on the board. Reaching plat for the first time is like graduating from school only to find that the real world is way tougher and you should have studied for your exams. Neace mentions it often to his clients that they need more games if they want to climb and that's basically the main prereq to getting plat. I don't care who you are if you play 5 ranked games a day and you're even remotely a teammate you'll be plat in no time.
I kinda feel for that guy, because I once was exactly the same. Holding your key ability for the very little percentage where it wouldve been useful at the very last second, because ONCE, it happened that you didnt hold it and you paid for it. I swear to god, I felt why this guy was holding his W. Its like, in the early stages of your learning, you faced a situation which was a big exception to what you should do in a particular case, very counter intuitive, and you got it like it was the norm. Kind of a LoL rule, like "dont chase the singed", "hold ur key ability to the very last second (unless its an absolute necessity) " Thing is, when you apprehend the game this way, for the exceptions that might occur, you miss like legit 90% of whats happening right before your eyes. It took me soooo long to get rid of this way of playing the game. And if an angry Neace would come to tell me how shitty I was, I'd went defensive too. I'm pretty sure he's being honest, he doesnt even understand why he gets roasted. Sorry for my bad english, to be honest I watch these coaching sessions only because I'm practicing my understanding without subtitles because his english is lit :D
i can agree im plat and most of us have this kind of ego. We think were something special because we got above average but lack the humility to go further improve and get the diamond we all want, but all blame others that we cant get there.
i remember being like him when i hit plat, now im diamond and my ego is even bigger
I don’t even see an ego on this guy.
@@yournemesis192 i do
@@yournemesis192
He started to be defensive towards the end but that's completely understandable
@@mlgmcdonaldsland7063 Is it really though?
Lmao
Neace: use your pot
Client: gets high
lol well played
lmao
I burst out laughing thank you my g
Underrated lol
Nice
Dude paid $250 to get roasted.
@@themaltman34? Why
@@themaltman34 It's really not. His entire brand is being this straight forward with clients who pay for his time, knowledge, and experience. So him just being, what's seems like extra straighforward isn't bad. It's just more on-par with what we should expect from Neace
@@themaltman34 No, it's not. Neace was spot on with this guy. It's a horrible look for the client.
All the guy had to do was press W lol. It was really a simple concept he wasn't grasping. Neace laid out the plan and the guy was vaping shoveling cashews in his mouth and watching chat going ungabunga instead of trying to get value from the coaching.
@@themaltman34 neace has one job, and its to make the clients better players after, not to be their friends, he's straight to the point, and if its anyone who has a horrible look for, it's the client with plat-egoitis, especially with his responses (or there lack of) to the answers neace asked him towards the end
“I didn’t learn shit today”
I can’t get the EQW combo out of my head after watching this with how many times neace had to tell him lmao💀
Seriously, I've never played Wukong but I probably won't ever forget that
This video has inspired me to play wukong
I’ve never played wukong in my life but I feel like I now know him better than the champs I do play. E, Auto, Q, W or short trade E,Q,W or E, auto, Q, W behind him into an R. I don’t know if wukong automatically autos with his E but you kinda get the point
@@SteezyyGG Wukong do unless you pressed stop earlier. You are right tho
@@PowerMouseMousic this. this is exactly what I was thinking
This is starting to become a reality series, not coaching sessions. I love it though :D
fully agree with you
💀💀
I mean it's only a coaching session so long as the client is willing to listen and do what is asked of them and ask questions after the play is over/post match. A lot of the people he uploads here refuse to listen and love to make excuses, as is common place with low elo league players. It's never their fault, it's always something else.
Yep then Neace ends it with "I don't think you got much from this coaching session". Ummm sir that is at least partially your fault as the fucking teacher.
i remember being like him when i hit plat, now im diamond
At 22:35 Neace hugs his cat and then the client laughs even though he's staring at reksai doing blue. So he must have been watching the stream.
noticed that too.
Yup!
Thats what neace wanted to know
you wouldnt notice a whole cat showing up on your screen? i dont think its so out of the ordinary to peek at stream while youre on your way to lane lol
@@earlyman352 but why even watch stream when your goal is to rank up
I'm gonna go out on a limb for this one. I do believe this guy came to learn, he's just not able to process things quickly. I'm thinking all that muscle memory of shitty Plat Wukong is what prevented him from instantly adapting. I personally play worse when talking with friends on Discord. I need to put music on to get in the zone and concentrate. I think maybe this guy just isn't great at learning on the fly and need more preparation. He's young, and self-conscious, I think it's understandable he'd be a bit nervous with the chat. No excuse with the vaping/eating excuse though. Dude needs to focus up.
I agree. He might not meant to ego. I haven't seen it in the video.
As Neace mentioned at the end, he was deflecting to save face. He obviously was not confident at all.
In my opinion instead of taking a hard stance as Neace always does it would be the right choice to take a soft stance for this guy. For instance simply asking him why he is reading chat, eating what ever in a ranked game (I am pretty sure it was a deflecting behaviour as well). Neace could have easily getten him into closing his stream, stop eating or drinking while in game, doing the combo or leveling with the keyboard if he would have taken a softer stance. I am very sure about it.
I am pretty sure, as he somewhere mentioned for instance that he did not have the bindings for leveling the r. Just call him out after the game and let him change it. He most definitly had different things on his mind to do it himslef. But well, he should have also known how Neace goes about things. And Neace is not particulary wrong, that this is indead an ego thing. And I am pretty sure the guy himself is aware of it. Its just a 'different' ego thing than what people in the comments proclaim it to be.
Yea playing on coms takes over your thinking. You heard others thoughts and that’s hard to ignore at times.
@@Chaist1994 I think you are completely right, and Neace should not always go for the roasting strat imo. Sometimes its more constructing to be calm and point them on faults in a more subtle and specific way. But yea, I guess his coaching sessions are more becoming a sitcom tbh. Love the content tho !
@Mubu Mubu I do not really get your point, but I can respond to what I have understood:
He did prepare, he mentioned so in the video even; maybe to little, but my point is that it is a scale not binary. He was respectful, to a degree, obviously eating in the session was not. You cannot single out instances of his behaviour and proclaim him to be disrespectful through out the whole session. Also respectfulness or politeness may differ from culture to culture. Heck even different regions of the same country may have different standarts theirein.
I am very sure he was mentally prepared to learn. Your metaphor doesnt really fit in my opinion and to my observations. So yes it was embarrassing, but not only because of that guys behaviour, but also because Neace made it so.
The guy could have behaved in a way so Neace could do his usual thing, or Neace could have done differently to get the guy to do what he suppose was right. I did not judge, I just stated that the option exists.
Damn mr editor trying to win an award or something with this one. The effect at 0:52 killed me lmao
The intro is so good, it’s one of the best I’ve ever seen haha
@@rsmith8113 For real. No cap
fr this editor good man this the type of shit we like to see
The editor is on point
Lmaoooo the editor is goated for this session
I feel like this should be a motivational tale for Bronze players as this guy apparently climbed to Plat 1 based solely on his skill at CSing
Guy ate every enemy ability he could
That’s my positive takeaway too lol
Apparently thats posible in NA
I don’t know how he’s plat. Literally no clue
@@rsmith8113 NA server, everything possible
5:37 shaco box range shows only the range of activation, the fear range is slightly higher, keep that in mind when you play against Shaco :)
Thank you.
What a deceptive champion :/
@@awdsgrgde6979 Thats his whole kit. If you cant pull deceptive moves off with him you fail hard.
"I'm drinking water, I'm vaping, I'm eating cashews...(reading chat too)." Funny how he didn't deny not watching the map but denies reading the chat. I agree, it's right in front of him lol
@@ericaramos3307 The coaching session was horrible due to the client thinking it was a joke, why would neace refund it if he was trying to do his job? And yes vaping is a problem when it comes to you paying 250$ to goof around and eat cashews, it's fine if he does that when he is playing alone, not in a streamed coaching session that was expensive...
@@juliusthebeaver5326 it's his money ain't it 😭 if he wants to have the full experience see himself on the stream see what the chat thinks of how he's doing that's his prerogative isn't it?
@@MegaDlarge Of course, but then if he wants to do that he doesnt has the right to complain about the coaching or about being roasted, nor does Neace need to refund him.
@@juliusthebeaver5326 Basically I just thing he has the wrong impression on this one, I think it's because he has had many clients who behave as he describes in the past. There was a solid 2 month period on the channel where arrogant clients were meta, it was pure entertainment. But I do think that those experiences have put him in a place during this session where he was just triggered by one thing the fella did and then just started picking at him.
@@juliusthebeaver5326 Dude everyone has then right to a REFUND, if it is in the terms and conditions NEACE has to period!
I have no idea what this guys history is, but his responses to Neace remind me alot of my own Trauma responses. As someone who was ridiculed heavily most of my childhood I tend to interpret most criticism as an attack because in my experience as a child with criticism came ridicule and attacks to my self worth. This kind of conditioning can make coaching incredibly challenging, At first he is trying to laugh off the yelling from Neace to disengage, later he is just trying to be the first to criticize himself before Neace even mentions it to try to maybe avoid the taunting, (And it was taunting, theres no need to be that condescending to someone in a coaching situation other than appeasing other people for entertainment) then by the end he has given up. He has resigned himself to the fact he will not receive any positive reinforcement for anything he does right and will constantly receive negative reinforcement for mistakes he makes. So he just removes all attachment to the situation and this is where we here him saying stuff like "Chat Im just playing league" and "Does it not feel like im following your instructions" Now maybe there was alot more context in the entire live stream but this just feels super familiar to me as someone who has spent quite a bit of time in therapy trying to fix my own trauma responses. This video does feel like it was intentionally edited to highlight the drama so maybe it was alot more cordial than this but I just felt kind of bad for this guy the whole time.
Yea, whis was exactly my take on it as well. To a certain extent it does really sem like the guy was genuenly trying, but it's like there is something that is a bit off somehow. Could be problems with attention like ADD or ADHD, but it felt more like there was a different reason for the attention being a bit off. Not sure. But it really feel the familiarity in that type of response, like the type of avoidant trauma response you get when there is self-worth wounds. . And i would also agree that Neace being that condescending was really unnecessary. So i feel like it's a bit of a wierd situation were you can't really say for sure what happened or who was really in the wrong.
I'm convinced this is what all of my plat teammates are doing in my games
Vaping and eating cashews?
There is a reason why they are in that rank
plat is the elo u get to and think ur the best but really u just coinflipped and got lucky.
@qeuarfbhq3iwushbq Not really. Platinum is literally gold level mechanics with slightly better farming and teamfighting/objective play. Platinum players get an ego because they FINALLY escaped the pit of despair that is gold elo and they're "so close!" to Diamond that they feel they have the right to have an ego. They don't. That's why the majority of them stay in Plat 4/3.
@@TheKittyClink Delusional player. If you think the only way to get to plat is by just spamming games and "getting lucky" then you are coping hard so you can excuse your own inability and short comings in your play.
I mean Neace must know all about the ego problems
Yeah but Neace is challenger not plat player
@@sergejkrypi3144not NA challenger, he lied about that.
@@Kpizzo And he has made challenger in Korea ,Na is not that good of a server stop the 🧢
@@kozmiic beside the point
@@Kpizzoeverything that doesnt support your pov is “beside the point”, you’re one of those types
Recap
Neace: Press "W"
Client: No, I don't think I will
*Inception [Sound Effect]*
I've only watched the first game but Neace is blowing this way out of proportion so far. He clearly E Q W'd on Shaco several times in lane, yeah he could have done it more but he's trying to follow Neace's directions to avoid the boxes.
When Neace freaks out on him at 14:50, he literally takes a single auto from Senna that did less than 50 damage. There's zero reason to waste your W there. I would check out mentally too, it's just bad coaching to yell at your student when they haven't even done anything wrong.
@@kellenoneill2050 Using it a few times correctly out during games that can last up to an hour doesn’t not translate to a win as much as understanding your champion and literally just hitting the W button after you go in ALL THE TIME when you’re taking a short trade are actually very different things that Neace was trying to coach. Hitting W should be muscle memory, it’s not something you really “optimally use”.
@@kellenoneill2050 Part of good coaching is making someone feel comfortable. This guy is making content a la LS. And I like both, but this is obviously intentionally overblown into "PLAT EGO"
@@cloudownsyounoob It really isn't. IF you pay me to coach you how to do something and come with that attitude of not paying attention to the game and instead watching what fking chat says, then Im screaming at you till you start listening. Comfort on classes is a privilege you earn by being polite and listening. Try teaching anyone anything for a living and you'll see how it goes.
Aye man I hope this guy is ok, I think he was a tad ego but didn't deserve all this, he ain't that bad of a person and tried make light of the situation
Facts
Neace has insane ego.
Yeah bro. I can't belive he charged the guy that much just to shit talk him and make him look bad on live . Fuck that guy, and all the meat riders 💀
Yeah man idk about all of that. He played poorly and didn't listen to Neace, while transparently being too distracted with what was going on in the stream to give his attention to the game and to his coach. I think it's fair to be irritated with someone for wasting your time, especially when it's been made clear that the time they're spending together is explicitly set aside for this guy to improve. From an outside perspective, it looks like he dropped $250+ just for a little bit of time on stream. He is literally being coached by one of the best players/coaches in the world and still finds the gall to argue about fundamentals on a champion he has spent literally hundreds of hours playing. Like it or not he probably needed to hear the shit Neace was saying, but he also didn't seem to be interested in internalizing any of it because he's so self assured. He tried making light of the situation because he was backed into a corner - he tried making a bunch of weak excuses for his behavior and got called out for it on repeat. idk man.
@@GoonEr-hb6cm it’s not that deep
I do believe some people need the yelling type of approach (tough love coaching). However in this case I don't think it was the correct choice. Neace also had his ego problems, you saw how bad he wanted to be right in this scenario. I think you just logically need to explain to this client without raising your voice why you are upset with how he acted during this session. Tell him to take it seriously, close everything except the game on his computer, get rid of distractions and focus up. If he had the type of ego problem Neace was referring to he wouldn't even have tried to do anything he told him
kinda funny for someone who posts their facebook stream into all-chat whenever someone flames him in game to tell others about "ego" xD
@@ich3730 wtf u on about
@@ich3730 thats not what ego is LOL
Exactly, so far I'm at 20 minutes and the guy is taking it all like a champ, Neace so far has repeatedly yelled at him and otherwise been toxic and the guy is like "ok, you're right, I gotta do the combo right". Fucking 0 ego. I can understand that he eventually gets defensive if he spent a whole hour getting fucking yelled at. Like yeah, maybe the guy needs to focus more but that's not how you get results as a coach.
@@LegionL-A so the right thing to do as a coach is to accept that he wont listen to your fucking advice and just suck that up ? neace is a coach who is not there to care about your feelings, hes there to MAKE. YOU. BETTER.
the guy was repeatedly told what to do and just said "yeh bro! haha! frrr!!!" and barely put it into action at all. + for WHAT reason is he buying coaching and then watching neaces livestream and talking to chat aswell? did he pay for a stream segment or coaching?
I felt like the dude was trying and was really humble when taking criticism - to me it seemed like Neace formed an opinion early on and just gave up any patience for him lol
However I do get that it’s a pretty goofy to be watching stream and caring about chat’s opinions while he’s paying all that money for coaching.
Yeah, guy should be maybe a bit more focused, but Neace was being an asshole from start to finish. Like, yeah, some people need a few more repetitions before they get something down, that doesn't mean they have ego problems.
The ego on Neace though... Like this guy doesn't even want to consider for a SECOND that maybe his coaching approach isn't ideal. He has ZERO doubts that "he's the one that's got it all right and ALL of his clients are trash". He can't POSSIBLY be the one that's a shitty coach if his clients aren't getting great value out of their coaching, right? Essentially Neace is deflecting 100% of the responsibility on "everyone else". No ego Neace, amirite?
@@LegionL-A fr
his argument for roasting this guy was full of "it looks like" "seems like" "your tone suggest", the guy always tried to follow instructions, he never argued, never was disrespectful. this is a coaching session paid by a client, not fucking middle school.
@@kinoo4496 the guy maybe wanted to look cool for stream but this was far being a huge ego dude just thought it was cool he was on a big streamers stream
@@kinoo4496i think he just wanted a stir up some "content". Shame he doesnt know this will lose him much more
I just uninstalled League and wanted to THANK you NEACE. I was a hardstuck Gold player for 3 seasons and after watching your content I literally reached Plat 3 and now I quit because I realised it takes a lot of f***ing time and grind to reach Diamond that I honestly don't have. Maybe next season I'll aim for it. Thanks again coach! I appreciate for putting it out for free.
Wow, I'm in the same boat as you. Got to Plat 3 this season, used to be hardstuck in Gold. I tried for a bit to push for Diamond but it just takes far more effort and time than I'm currently willing/able to do.
never reinstall. its a mistake. the only winning move is to not play unless you make money from it
@@chabot4006 funnily enough I’m making “something” out of it 😂
@@takezoedits keeping your virginity isnt geting something out of it.
Like Diamond is the goal that redeems you from all your mortal sins.....
I reached Diamond 5 years ago by playing like 30 games per Season and just watching gameplay of chinese 1500lp+ people who play my champs.
But like a normal human I realized at some point that rank is totally irrelevant and now im Gold 1, dont give a fuck about anything game related and im happy af. Dont aim for Diamond, aim, to imrpove or aim to have fun.
He's actually watching you while playing too, he laughed when you picked cat up this guy ain't even focused 100%.
Dude has down time walking back to lane, this is unnecessary nitpicking. It’s 8 minutes into the game and nothing is happening.
@@MittyNispa that's time being afk
@@evilerroryt8448 you are also nitpicking.
@@MittyNispa while it is nitpicky, they also do have a bit of a point.
When you are with a team and playing flex to practice for tourneys etc.... are you going to be having a stream up? No, you shouldn't. That is things off to the side for distraction. Best i would have up is some music.
Also, him talking about what the chat is saying is very similar to in game chat.... both are useless for you while you are in a game and trying to learn and climb.
It is also disrespectful to the coach that the person paying attention to things that do not matter.... instead of, as mentioned by another person.... looking at the state of other lanes. He also is not mentally preparing himself to even do the E Q W. He is not looking at his wave, and looking for patterns with how the enemy laner is moving... or looking around the jungle for things like scrying blooms hit. The list goes on.
What he was looking at was Neaces chat and then was getting mentally distracted because they were roasting him. Because that is where his focus seemed to lay at that point in time, and what was most important for him at the time.
@@Wolfcub-tb2iy Exactly this dude, I honestly think that's why he thought Neace was roasting him because he was reading chat roasting him.
Video title should be "Neace ego" xD
Neace:
You were too busy looking at the chat
Client:
“ no I was vaping and eating cashews…” in plat?
yeah, what's wrong with that..?
That one was a head scratcher cuz the whole point neace was trying to make was: you’re not focused and his response was: that’s not true I’m vaping and eating snacks
Then he has the nerve to say he isn’t trolling… bruh… neace needed a lot of patience for this guy.
@@noodleramen2217 plat is where people try hard to actually climb. Its not like gold or silver. Its a competitive game dude you need to be all there every second in the game. Sometimes its okay to go for a quick slurp but thats about it.
Just funny how you said in "plat" like its something special. lol people do that in challenger
I'm gonna come back for a 2nd
coaching when I finally hit d4. But man, I hope I don't develop an ego issue when I get to plat. Almost there and the journey is fucking rough man. But I would've never left silver if it wasn't for neace and now. I'm hovering between gold 1-2 consistently. Oof.
Did you get featured on any of the videos, or did you do a private coaching?
If you dont have an ego problem in g1 you wont have an ego in plat. Most of the ego comes from just thinking you know more than you really do.
@@Mir0skies like Neace?
You think Plat ego is bad??? Come into mid/high diamond and see how they are. Literally cannot tell the difference between these idiots and Plat or Gold other than the shown ranked border.
@@MiloThatch420 looks like you lurk in the comments on all of his videos trying to point out things he gets wrong from time to time but I doubt you’ve ever been as high elo as NEACE has so shows what you know buddy
Being honest, to grow you must stay humble and if I was getting coaching from Neace I'd be humble cos I couldn't work out how to climb by myself.
It's a mix, you need to have a passion/ego to know that you can be the best in any situation while also being able to acknowledge when you aren't living up to that.
This is true of any competition and the truly best will be able to balance both.
@NorseViking84 passion and ego are two sides of the same coin.
Look at competitors like Michael Jordan, Cristiano Ronaldo, Lebron James. Egos that were properly fostered to make their vision of themselves as the best a reality.
@NorseViking84 facts lmao I mean look at Lebron one thing a lot of people hold against him is that he self proclaimed himself to be the GOAT and that just rubbed the people the wrong way cause it’s egotistical with Jordan he had an ego but not so much of an ego to impact him from not getting better
@NorseViking84 100% in physical sports, if you don't fully believe in yourself in the cage or on a platform when lifting you won't get far by just being humble alone.
@NorseViking84 well there's a difference between thinking you're a borderline demigod and thinking you're just good shit. The latter is imo just not being delusional with your own self worth and having some healthy confidence. Rhonda was straight up delusional to the point she thought she even beats up all the men.
Like Mike Tyson is super cocky, but if he said he'd beat a bear in a fist fight that's taking it too far lmao.
Wukong is also really good into Darius, making it even more embarrassing
true
i mean darius shouldn't loose any meele matchup he never really responded to the trades as neace said
@@stropex2165 there are definitely exceptions to this, such as Wukong, Jax, Fiora, Yorick…
Neace your cat is HUGE lol making sure everyone gets fed 😆
This comment deserves all the likes 😂
thats a chonky kitty
43:13 swear he was about to say I'm the most humble person but caught himself cause he realized that proved Neace's point
Hahaha my exact thoughts
Nah, yall just wrong, Neace is the one with an ego.
I actually don't think he is egoistic. Neace is a bit too harsh on this client (actually most of his clients), it's hard to watch sometimes. With that being said, I'm still binge-watching his videos because for real, he is a good coach, he gives out so much useful tips and info, I've learned so much from his videos compared to other league youtubers but I really just wish he could be more calm and chill in the way he delivers stuff.
I disagree, drill sergeant type delivery works in certain situations. I think for what he wants them to do his delivery is always on the mark. Does it sound harsh? Yeah but I bet you won’t forget whatever he said. Think of like Gordon Ramsey, he yells, screams and rebukes very harshly, it produces great results and pops the ones that were never gonna make it in the first place. Neace is like the Ramsey of League lol
@@hunnerricketts8676 Drill sergeants are trying to break you down to build you back up stronger. That doesn't work in a single coaching session. As soon as you start making someone defensive any chance of them listening to what you're saying goes out the window. Also Ramsey is a lot more chill on the non US show, it's an act for TV lol.
@@joshgriffin1575 that depends on the person. lots of useful skilled people prefer harsh teachers because it does push them farther than a lax one.
@@hunnerricketts8676 That's not drill sergeant type delivery that's just being an idiot.
Well thats because food can actually kill you if not properly prepared @@hunnerricketts8676
I'll be honest, I've never seen a client watch the stream he's in while playing to make commentary on the comments on the stream? How do you focus on your ranked game AND coaching while watching the stream you're in? Huh?
He's responding the lagging chat instead...
I saw a comment once for clients Google how to be coachable, and I did that when I had my coaching session. Perhaps this fellow should look up some of that advice as well.
thats a very good point
yeah it was pretty pathetic knowing that he's more concerned what internet strangers thought of him not using W than he was about the coaching he paid for.
As a yi player I was so lost when he kept saying to use w and e
Lol as a Sett player I was astonished he couldn't press the only button I can.
@@the_moonwatcher9196 lol this is gold
second hand cringe.
Fremdscham.
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@@Mulmgott ja ohne spaß
Honestly, i get second hand cringe from how unpedagogical most of these coaching sessions are. The actual points are great, but they way and the mental they are fronted with, pushes a lot of unreceptive people into being less receptive. A teachers job isnt telling you what to do, but showing you how to understand how to do it yourself.
"idk why you're roasting me, you're supposed to be a coach."
Man's never seen an irl coach in his life XD
Irl coaches don't roast you for yt content and a thumbnail.
@@TheSquirrelbeast But they DO roast you
@@TheSquirrelbeastspoken like someone who's never even played a sport coaches will absolutely roast you in front of your team if your fucking up ,don't speak on sht you clearly don't know anything about
Never hit diamond, but climbed to plat numerous times. Ego gets bigger the higher the rank. I know I got a little bit of an ego myself, but this is ridiculous.
Yeah and he can only play 1 champ in 1 role too. Having an ego when he is intermediately-skilled at 1 single thing in the game is a bit much.
@@chez-bubulle That's just the easiest way to climb, most boring 1, but the quickest, since you just learn match ups for that certain champ.
Who's gonna learn 159 champs and be equally good at high elo level, it would take 10 years to do that, smaller the champ pool the quicker is climb.
@@stefansimicic yes exactly. Not much to be proud of and ego about. Probably knows absolutely nothing about jungling, jungle tracking, ward placements, arc positioning, etc. To get higher elo you need to know the basics of every role even if you don't play them. For example as a jungler, i need to know basically every possible matchup so i know which lane will probably be ahead, behind, or going even. If you just learn to clear your camps with 1 champ and nothing else, no way you get past gold
@@chez-bubulle I would agree and disagree with you there,
based on your experience it might be like that, but tbh match up doesn't always end up as predicted, especially in lower elo,
watching minimap and camera (when you can) on lanes is usually enough to show you what you should gank and what is just wasting time.
It is true that you need to have more knowledge as jungler than any other role.
Just speaking from my own experience as I peaked plat 1 multiple seasons, but they just decided to delete my otp (old Aatrox).
This guy plays only wu, I just wonder what he do when he gets autofilled or get his 2nd role (mid) does he play wu or pray that his team gives him top.
Also he either needs to learn 1 more champ as backup or just needs to doge. He will hardly win any game when he gets his wu banned.
@@chez-bubulle and even at that champ he suvks i could first time wukong and wiukd play 10 times less clunky
you coached a vod of mine back in the day and you and ur chat FLAMED THE SHITTTT out of me lmaooo. i was playing xin zhao and it was just so cringe, but i laughed at it and took what u said and got to plat 4 from bronze 5 :)
Is there a video?
@@xska2767 yep. called "jungling from square one" or smthng like that. the thumbnail is xin zhao. im sure youll find it
Ngl Neace was kinda being a piece of shit during this. If I was that kid who just paid for a coaching and struggled to learn and process everything on the fly and just getting roasted and being self conscious about everything I did, then I would probably ask for a refund and quit the game. I don’t think he came to “show off his wukong skills.” He literally said “I have no idea how this match up goes” against shaco and I think it’s a really unreasonable thing to assume that a player is going to be able to comprehend and execute every single task you give him without fail. It’s okay to be respectful every now and again, Neace. No need to be like the rest of the league community.
I recently climbed to Plat 3 from Gold and I couldn't agree more as a person who barely flames. I stopped losing games because of bad players but now I'm losing because of griefers/trollers. Like the ego gap between Gold and Plat is huuuuge. The moment I entered Plat everyone roasts you for every mistake you do or looking for something to blame and they give up or wanna ff once they go 0/3. At least in Gold they are tryharding but in Plat the challenge is mental.
Unironically gold 1 players are better than plat 4 players on average because of this reason. I've had so much experience smurfing in that elo and 100% plat 4 players are the worst. It's worse than "D4 losers queue", just more carryable.
Personally the people I met in low plat were really chill, and a lot of the games in that range were really fun because of it, I didn't start to see the huge ego until I was like plat 2, which is filled with people who were diamond in a previous season and have an ego, and a lot of smurfs from like D3 end up in high plat on their alt accounts and have an ego towards the other people there.
Personally my peak is plat 1, I reached my promos into diamond and lost and I'm just trying to break that barrier now, but every time I've hit high enough plat to end up in games that were predominantly D4 I've started to dread the day I actually hit D4 since interacting with D4 players is actually my personal hell, the worst mental and worst ego I've ever seen in my life
"barely flames" holy shit the denial. why flame at all? turn off chat and fuck em in post-game.
Ehhh In my experience it's the same in Plat. Gold players have massive egos and troll/grief a TON, all they need is the slightest push to do it and no I'm not talking about chatting/toxic pinging them. Plat is the same case except people are a little less willing to do it because "some" of them have goals of diamond still. The issue in Plat is you have a mixed bag of people who still have the goal of diamond and are serious about working towards it and then you have the hardstucks who got Plat and realized that they would have to try even HARDER to reach diamond and gave up yet they still play so naturally they lean on excuses to explain their inability to climb.
21:44 my favorite moment :D
"Ayyee neace we got this baby"
Careful, neace may think you have an ego! Since hes not your favorite part
u sarcastic? he's just trying to act cool but its just cringe
I’d say I feel bad for the guy, he seems like he’s overconfident but actually sounds super nervous and sad. Bet he cried after this roasting, that was way over the top imo.
Imagine a world where everybody could call their customers out like that. Arguments were on point
No? He was rude for no reason.
When he asked the guy wtf is wrong with you I realized that’s what he would ask me over and over
neace was the one with plat ego …
I privately tutor students and there's no worse feeling when you can tell the student didn't change anything about their perspective by the end of the session.
exactly. not my proudest session./
Why do you flame him so hard
Bc he is bad... He is arguing with a challenger player. There's a reason he is plat and neace is challenger but yeah neace is wrong. This coaching is perfect. If you don't understand it you are worse than this plat player
I didn’t see the ego bro was just friendly 😭
LOL community doesn't understand vocal socialization. They dick ride big creators to the point of delusion
Yeah the guy was just trying to have fun. If you want criticize him for not taking it seriously enough, then that’s valid. But to say he had an ego when he seemed like a completely chill dude, is ridiculous to me.
its actually kinda nuts that with all the vids neace puts out, you could probably reach diamond without paying for his coaching. Love the vids and keep up the good work
I agree! this guy has done wonders to my improvement & I didn’t even have to pay him 😭
It's actually true. I've been watching Neace's videos for almost 2 years now and I've gone from Gold 4/3 to now Plat 3. His videos are tremendous help and I'm glad that he has enough reach/popularity to where he can provide people VODs like this who can't afford it.
thats why its crazy to me that there are freaks who actually pay 200+ just to get something they could get for free xD
ngl i feel sorry for him, just because he might be bad in learning doesn't mean he doesn't want to.
You just hard tilted your client & refused to let it go. This just made him vulnerable & nervous in the shaco match up, one he clearly knew little about. Now yes he failed to follow commands which at his level he should understand which is why I think the best course would have been to mentally reset him. Instead, all you did was make him spiral get embarrassed, flustered & protective of ego in my objective opinion.
The guy had an ego. He just didn't know it. Neace literally asked him if he could do a basic bread and butter combo and he insisted he did, yet failed to do so consistently.
@@vDeadbolt I'm sorry, guy does not "have an ego". He agreed with EVERYTHING Neace said to him throughout the whole video and when he said "yah I can do the combo" and Neace said "then prove it to me" he was like "ok, you're right, gotta prove it". Neace was as asshole from start to finish and projected onto his student that he had an ego, then went on to cherry pick every single little detail to prove his point.
When the guy finally snaps at the end of the video being told that he somehow has this huge ego problems when he's been doing his best to follow instructions (like ok, maybe he shouldn't be eating and vaping, granted), Neace is like "see, told you" (and the guy actually responds SUPER WELL to Neace's constant flaming, better than 90% of you would).
Neace needs to get his head out of his ass. There's a thing called the Pygmalion/Golem effect, if you go around projecting all that shit on your students that's what your gonna find. Be better Neace.
Yea I felt the same kinda.
Think neace himself got tilted with the client rather early.
I'm a trainer myself and I love coaching people.
Up until 2/3rds of the video neace showed very little empathic trainer skills tbh.
I do understand neace tho, the clients demeanor and voice occasionally felt almost disrespectful sometimes. Idk that was a weird session tbh. Confused client with a not so professional neace
Neace ego's in his coaching sessions, almost taking it personally when the client fucks up.
You act like he is just some goon that doesn’t know what he is talking about. If you tell someone something 10 different times and they don’t do it. When you are given the clues, insight into why he’s supposed to be doing it. And the dude is in plat. What the fuck else is he supposed to do?
@@morssusurri8316 learn social skills u can tell neace is using this doods voice to paint him as having an ego for content, replace each thing in this video with a different sounding person and a gold rank. please think for urself watch it and see if u can touch base with whats going on.
@@louiss4672 Did you listen to the way he spoke to Neace after the game? Did you miss his entire point? I'm genuinely confused how you came to the conclusion that I do not have social skills and lack the ability to see that the title says Plat Ego. Additionally at the end you can tell from the disrespectful, arrogant attitude, and dismissive he was of basic concepts through the coaching. He goes into a camp with a coach that spends thousands of hours dedicating himself to teaching people how to get better at the game. Throughout the game he is making snarky remarks as if he already knew these things going in, and if he did... why pay for the coach? If you pay attention to Neace's videos where the student is responsive and doing as Neace says as he is walking you through the game, you will notice that the experience is a lot more educational, not angry, ragefilled, as this one was. Imagine having to explain to someone the same thing over and over again and them playing it off like they KNEW what they were doing but they just simply were not doing it. That does sound frustrating to me.
Last: Don't you come in here with your inability to put together a full sentence, or spell very basic words properly. Literally, it is not hard. Have a good day and get the hell out of my notifications.
@@morssusurri8316 Through out the game I think I heard one remark that could have been ego unless it was edited poorly the whole ego thing is literally reaching also I know this is a crazy concept changing the way you play when you have bad habits isn't something that happens instantly it takes time why the guy said you don't have social skills makes sense for the most part the tone of his voice is mistaken for ego
@@shinzoki3803when I'm playing ranked in league I'm not fkn eating ,drinking and talking to someone or reading chat ,I'm focused I wait till the games done to do those things
feel like Neace went a bit ham on this one and generalised the client based on his past experiences with plat players so he had a list of criteria for a plat player, client filled the criteria and roasted him just cause he wasn't performing as expected of a plat player.
Neace has a lot of really hard-set expectations of people.
You can see it in this one, his first few games on chill neace season 2 where he's incredulous that some people in bronze can beat him during a laning phase (they're there cus they don't understand how to use their lead, not because they don't know how to play their champion)
It can be seen in his rant about ranged top laners when he faced Senna top.
He rants against "plat players with egos" etc etc.
He's a crotchety old grandpa in a lot of ways.
@@Sorest2 He was given no explanation at any point about why he should be doing things, and while his position in plat indicates that he has a relatively good grasp on at least some concepts in the game, Neace held back from ever explaining why he should be using his w in a particular way.
He has gotten to that level of play without mastering his champion.
You know when neace gets coached and constantly learns new things about champs, even on ones like Tristana? Every other person explains how and why they do a particular thing. Neace, in the middle of this dude's game, instead tells this dude to combo in a way which is foreign to him, asking him to rewrite 100+ games of muscle memory in the course of a half hour, and *because* this guy is plat, is a dick about it from the start.
Neace has admitted, in videos, that he is way nicer to people in low elo. It is an issue with the assumptions that neace makes about plat players that prevents him from treating them as though they are teachable. He doesn't even *try* to teach them, he just rags on them for not understanding a concept he hasn't bothered to explain.
When the player insists he *is* capable of doing the combo, it's because he desperately wants to convince neace that he is not a lost cause, and when he does accomplish what neace has been requesting, in the second game, against Darius, after Neace finally *did* explain the concept between games, the guy understood, and was able to more consistently follow the coaching *because it made sense.*
You try to learn something new *in the middle of a plat-ranked game* while the person that is supposed to be teaching you is being hostile to you.
Then Neace claims that he's never had this conversation with a client about ego before.
Just scroll through the thumbnails of Neace's videos and you'll find several that mention Ego in the thumbnail.
Neace gets these ideas of who a player is inside his head because of their rank and starts their coaching from a hostile position because he expects them to somehow know what they do not know.
He does not try to teach them because "they're a high-enough elo, they should know better" ignoring the fact they paid him $250 because they are willing to admit they *do not* know better.
There was nothing willfully ignorant done by this player, nor was he ever intentionally disrespectful of Neace' coaching points. He added them to what he was doing as he came to understand them.
Neace went into this expecting a hostile situation and created one. It was a good move on the part of the student to not listen any further when Neace made it abundantly clear that he was not basing his final thoughts on the player, but on his opinion of who this player represents *in neace's mind.*
Now, go watch neace rant about Ranged top laners when he faced Senna top in a chill neace video and you'll see exactly the sort of pre-conceived notions that I'm talking about this man having.
I believe he may have been playing illaoi at the time.
Ranting about an entire sub-category of the meta, claiming he doesn't feel bad about stomping low-elo players because "they're the sort of people who don't use turn signals, etc etc etc" just because someone is playing a champion or tactic that doesn't fit with what his idea of what the meta *should be* is ridiculous.
If he saw a Korean player doing well with that same build, you can bet he'd be on here talking about how it's an underrated strat that everyone should play.
He's doing an entire series of off-meta builds and doesn't see how hypocritical it is to trash someone who's just trying to play a game, while ranting about how they represent scum of the earth for having chosen a particular champion and rune.
I have watched a LOT of neace content lately and this opinion is not based on just one video.
My respect for neace as a "coach" has all but disappeared at this point, due to these pre-conceived notions which lead him to be hostile to people right from the start of their coachings with him, with no explanation given aside from the elo they happen to be in.
@@Prowler9000 thank you, 💯% hits the nail on the head
Honestly I feel like his anger and “roasting” is 100% warranted. Everybody is trying to make excuses for the client but the brass tax of it is, the guy has put 3 fucking seasons and probably thousands of games into wukong. There should be very little Neace should be able to tell him about that champ that the guy doesn’t already know. He does not know that champion as flawlessly and thoroughly as he wants everyone to believe. If he did, asking for a simple and staple combo wouldn’t have been like pulling teeth. It should have been completely natural to the guy and it wasn’t.
Also, getting offended that Neace is yelling at you after booking a coaching session with Neace makes you a dumbass. He isn’t a popular and respected league of legends coach because of his review videos of modern art 🤦♀️
he is like 1.1-1.4mil i think.
facts how do you play a champ that much and not know all their combos and tips and tricks...there is a video on youtube called tips and tracks, build guides, how to carry with * insert champ name here * for every champ in league
the last point is stupid neace doesnt scream at girls that come on in the same way for example. Some people need a different approach and the "military seargent with guys and compassionate with women" isnt cutting it
@@TheXxomasteroxx He rarely coaches women + most of them actually listens to what he's saying ,so he doesn't have to yell.
@@walkelftexasranger thats not really true i saw him coach women who make the same mistake over and over again where he doesnt immediately start yelling and shit
Also don’t get a defensive attitude with the coach. He knew how Neace is in his videos. Take it as it is delivered, reflect on it, learn what you can, if it didn’t work for you find a different coach.
Yeaaaaahhhhhh I’m a coach, I rip my athletes a new one when they sass me. It’s a respect thing, it’s important as a coach to have a boundary of how your athletes are allowed to talk to you. You’re a huge influence on their confidence, and allowing them to talk back just isn’t an option when you’re trying to do that.
@@patticakie5861 You must also know then, though (don't know if it applies here, because I don't know the guy) that some people just sound like a dick, even though they aren't. I got the feeling that the guy genuinely wanted to learn, but interacted poorly, due to low compatibility between him and neace. Probably the clients problem, since neace coaches many, and rarely clashes like this. If anything I felt like this client had quite a low ego and was insecure, but on the surface pretend like he is not, because of the way he speaks. He failed to listen properly and do commands, because he was too nervous, but hey that's just my read. I could be wrong.
@@Pr0x1m1f1c4710n I think you're absolutely spot on. There was a serious personality conflict here. For the most part I think Neace was off with his assessment. I believe the client's insecurity was a big part of why he was checking chat.
The client's attempts to brush off criticism didn't seem to sit well with Neace. Neace seems to vibe best with those who are slightly subordinate.
@@Pr0x1m1f1c4710n Oh no for sure, but that's more of a problem for a long term coach or other person to solve. For quick coaching like this, it's improtant to maintain boundaries.
If one of my girls talked to me like this, I would just stop coaching her that day and tell her she can ask when she is ready to receive feedback with respect. I've done that a couple times and it does nothing but build their respect for you as their coach and that, in turn, gives them more confidence in their sport. It's weird, but your coach can't be someone you run over. Then it doesn't feel like they can tell you how to fix whatever problem you're having.
tldr; this guy does have some underlying stuff, but establishing respect is more important.
@@Pr0x1m1f1c4710n Perfectly phrased! Exactly what I was thinking. Your EQ is out of the roof my friend.
Neace was having an ego problem that session T_T
9:49 was questionable. Asking him to do something with leads to him losing both sums and then his death is fine, he followed instructions on that play to his best ability even though he questioned them and didn't agree with the call he still played it out and its a scenario you both learn from.
The issue comes when there is no learning from those type of plays. You try and justify constant mistakes in your decisions/coaching then raise your volume at the smallest of errors or misunderstands. The fact that he knowingly suicides because you asked him to shows he was clearly dedicated to following instructions to his best ability. You blamed this death on the way he played it then proceed to blame the lane trades. Its never a mistake if you learn from it but justifying it doesn't learn and you're constantly making mistakes and blaming something else.
In short you have just as much if not more ego than he does in this session.
Nice cherry picking. Imagine misplaying 10 trades in lane and then having to fight uphill the whole lane phase and being like "nah bro I think you have the ego here".
@@NEACE misplaying? hes being coached? what does it matter if he misplays, if anything its better if he does so you know what needs working on. You coaching him on winning this 1 game or on improving?
A client is expected to misplay otherwise he wouldnt need coaching. A coach isn't expected to pass blame to hide the fact he made a mistake.
Question, do you think staying for that dive was the correct play still?
@@NEACE give it 4 more months before the viewers with low social skills catch on to what ur doing.
@@louiss4672 unfortunately they wont. Look at Neace clothes, way of talking and acting... he intentionally aims his content for cocky teenagers who will cheer up a so called "ego check" on another teenager.
Like ffs, is just League, no client needs to be yelled and misstreated. If they want to throw away their money, fine, so be it.
If Neace wanted to coach people interested in learning, he would cut off the session and give back the money (an never upload it). But with real content he would not get the subscribers.
I literally would be ashamed of myself if I was making money with this circus.
@@MUDELA can i get ur league username bro XD. ive been telling the same stuff in comments hes rude and im a retard and can see it.
“I’m eating cashews, I’m vaping” 🤣
I remember in your how to climb videos when you said the plat ego was what prevented them from climbing, I see what you mean now. Not to shit on the guy because I don't think he's terrible, plat for most players won't ever be reachable, but to get out of plat you still have to realize you have a LONG way to go before you reach diamond+.
Neace is the one with the Huge ego here! He already had a predetermined idea of this kid going in ("Platinum players have huge egos"). I honestly think Neace was just so jealous that this kid was platinum almost diamond so easily, so quickly "3 seasons". Its a game Neace has spent his entire life on, and he couldn't stand the fact someone else got to the position it took him so long to achieve. I cant believe Neace treated the kid like that at the end, the dude was being sincere about wanting to get better and learn, he actually sounded like he was going to cry. I'm sad man feels really bad. I love when Neace rips people its the best content he's got, I fucking LOVE it. But this was un called for the kid was obviously trying, while getting fucked on, what's he supposed to do not try to make it fun and laugh it off after he makes a bad play. What's the alternative smashing his PC?. Neace should be mad at Riot for the kid being ranked so high. Not the kid. Feels bad man. Feels real bad. I don't want you to stop berating people Neace its your best content, but know when to hold em and know when to fold em man. This was an obvious fold situation. :(
This has been my ego in gold 4 to gold 1. I'm finally accepting I don't know it all and improving myself before looking at others.
The only one with ego here was Neace. Yea the dude showed a lack of certain fundamentals, but it does not warrant the way Neace treated him, a paying customer. The poor dude took the abuse, and didn't retaliate with verbal assaults, and was calm and collected throughout the entire berating while attempting to placate. This imo is a perfect example of the toxic mentality of League. Just because you are challenger, doesn't give you the right to treat other players like this, especially players paying you for coaching. This is a perfect example of non-constructive abusive criticism. There is no need to be this aggressive as there are better ways of riding the civil line and catering to those who take positive and abrasive teaching stances.
This was nothing but pure ego and content generation from Neace at the expense of a customer, milking it hard. Pretty shitty thing to do imo from a "coach".
I think the pressure of being on camera is understated, NEACE did well in pointing out the lowest hanging fruit for the player's game improvement. Don't really see the guy as having a HUGE ego, more like attempting to cope with getting critiqued. Its interesting that NEACE is talking about a slight attitude adjustment but the issue is that around this elo it really does become about getting the details right so the gap in skill level is huge for those who don't adopt the learning mindset.
Sheesh man asking for coaching, especially neace, I’d expect criticism. Ego comes in when you don’t take the criticism and run with it. ❄️
@@iliasarroyo Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. Dude came in ok, then got slightly flamed. Then slightly improved, and then decreased play level again. Focused on chat flame and put unnecessary information on his mental stack which further dropped his ability to play. This is almost identical to the argument for never having chat on in game, its even more useless information that might illicit an emotional play/response.
@@randEveScrub the thing is the guy literally agreed to EVERYTHING Neace was telling him, up until the part where Neace starts accusing him of being there to stroke his ego. This guy was showing 0 ego and Neace just rips into him.
That's not being "closed to learning", guy fucking did his best (even if he could indeed be more disciplined/close the stream) and Neace decided he knows everything and that because this guy's having a tough time he has an ego problem and that's the truth and it couldn't possibly be anything else, and that Neace couldn't POSSIBLY have approached this the wrong way. Looks to me like Neace should be the one to check his ego.
i honestly think you are in the wrong here neace. I think this man is just a light hearted person that actually wanted your help.
When you're eating, vaping, and watching chat instead of hard focusing on the game and the coach you spent $250 on, it's really hard to see that. His actions and behavior didn't prove it.
@@tiffaleah6690 so dont vape or eat snacks when you dead? im masters and i legit go check on my dog and come back. you have a bronze mentality lol play smooth, smooth is fast.
I've never played Wukong but the EQW combo stays with me forever.
those Neace intros are like the dr phil intros: dramatic music, black and white, big shocker. Funny
You can’t go into a coaching without trying your best. You can’t do your best if your focus is not there. I got coaching with Neace not too long ago. And never did it cross my mind to vape or read chat during that session. That’s taking away 5-10% of your focus or more. You can’t treat a coaching session like a regular game. Otherwise you won’t know where you need work on. Coaches can only assume what you’re good/bad at based on the games they watched you play. It’s not a large sample size; 2 games. But a good coach can see what the issues are with a small sample size.
Pretty sure anyone is allowed to spend their money however they want.
If he wants to spend money with a streamer he likes by getting "coached" but actually just wanted to chill who are you to tell him what he has to do?
But then again, if he knew Neace I'm fairly sure he knew what he was getting into so complaining about getting roasted was either a troll or he had his button pushed where he didn't want to.
I'm a big fan Neace, but I think the mark was missed a bit on his attitude. He was a little lackadaisical, and I think that's definitely something he needs to work on to get diamond, but I don't believe HE thinks he feels entitled to the diamond rank with his current skill level and recognizes that he needs to work on it (I got some anxiety vibes based on his attitude - not ego). I think he definitely learned from the trading discussions specifically, but it felt too harsh when he fumbled following directions. He did get defensive towards the end and said some things I don't think he actually believes. It would be nice to see a follow up coaching or discussion with this guy, but it sounded like he might be a bit anxious and not sure he will be willing to try this again with more focus.
@@Sorest2 I think he got some things out of this too, but where I think it's unfair is to call it a prime example of plat ego.
@@Sorest2 a comment like "you should focus more if you want to climb and close stream, don't vape, take away distractions" would have been an ACTUAL coaching comment, not accusing the guy of being ego inflated when he literally agreed to everything Neace said and did his best to follow through. Neace might be a very good League player but definitely is not a very good coach.
@@LegionL-A I think he’s one of the best coaches available, I just don’t think this was the best session.
I do think he had a point, tho he came here to chill, be friends with neace and having a great time, not to climb, i dont think its ego, neace was wrong indeed about it, and about many things about his personality, Neace shouldve said : "if ure here its not to chill and play draft its to learn and focus on getting to your goal" .
He paid around 250 dollars for a top level player to coach him. If all he wanted was to chill and be friends with Neace, he should have thrown that money in a pit of fire instead.
Neace wants the guy to get better, it's just impossible for him to do so if he isn't trying at all
You wanna chill? Go outside and do whatever you want or play a MMO . When you play a game to rank up in a competitive game , you cant just chill you have to concentrate and think to play .
@@marcusmeins1839 Did u read my comment at all? Im not saying hes right, im saying he had a point, that its not ego, he came here to chill and play, thats okay for him when he plays all alone, but when u book a coach u need to concentrate in order to elevate ur game, he was wrong about come here to chill with neace, thats not what this is about.
@@vDeadbolt How is Neace the one to judge him when he's getting paid? If the guy doesn't take it seriously, then it is what it is and Neace is $250 richer for doing nothing.
@@kaedond because Neace cares about his clients improving. He doesn't want that 250 to go to waste.
It's funny seeing that argument, only for the same people to get mad at companies treating their employees like trash and ripping off customers.
Pure guy got mostly roasted instead of coached . Gotta agree
What I learned from this client :
He simply hit his ceiling.
I appreciate this video, because I feel I have a similar mindset at times and I feel I've learned a lot from this dudes attitude.
Neace is pretty well known for NEVER roasting ego players. He’s never done it before. This is for sure the first time.
this is sarcasm lol cuz 90% of his videos he tells ppl they have ego.
9:45
That was actually really funny lol.
"ohh he does have ult"
Gotta agree with the client here but maybe its a league thing to talk to people like that who spend money
Platinum ego. INTERESTING
Plat 2 player talking about Platinum ego 🤡🤡
The guy getting coached talks 100% like Tarzan even the mannerisms
- He's Platinum.
- Plays like a Gold.
- Cries like a Silver.
- In denial like a Bronze.
- Pays $250 to learn jack-shit like an Iron.
I can rap on this ay yo play some beat
You’re definitely not wrong about the Diamond thing, Neace. I remember when I first hit Dimond, it felt like the best thing ever, literally like the end credits were about to roll like you said 😂 when I finally hit Masters, the feeling was the same but it felt as if the movie was only half over. Maybe I’ll hit Challenger someday and get the secret ending feeling, who knows
ehehe "plat ego" totally relatable
250 bucks to read chat, eat, and int with Neace.
lol
The video does not do Neace justice as it doesn't portray the vibe this student was giving off completely accurately. While watching live, the ego felt more present, a continuous thing happening compared to Neace being a bit nit picky like you'd think watching this video.
He is just joking around "woah bro so fun wehee" bruh I would be asking mad questions 🤣
The Suspense and build up, and the ego is just crazy!!! loved this one for sure, like artistically the video was great.
bruh it’s been out for 15 you didn’t finish it
@@rom4821 😂
You can watch someone do the same thing you tell them not do without losing your mind
1/12 morde support 2:45 💀
Bro is trolling
Lmao that intro was on some Judge Judy type shit 🔥
A good tip for spotting the real shaco
After he got mythic, there is a golden/yellow border around it in the item slot(top left) when you attack him
The clone has no border
Hope it helps the reading person
Neace in this video taught the fundamentals of wukong to everybody. Thanks bro
Proves one point and one point only, good dedication gets you into diamond and higher, I’m learning so much of you Neace like you taught me alot when it comes to playing top lane
Now I’m tempted to play wokong :3 i like the tricky playstyle
Thank you neace for everything, everyday you teach me something new
Yes, but "diamond or higher" gets you absolutely nowhere in your life. Make something out of it or put that energy on sth productive.
@@raiontheone
And what if it doesn’t? Not everyone is meant to have a career into pro league and at the same time not every hobby is meant for the purpose of making money of off it, there’s nothing wrong with getting better at what you love to do even if it was league of legends, this implies on most hobbies, take sketching for example, it will take alot of time so you can make profit out of it
But what if you enjoy learning it everyday? :3
@@zeej.9277 You're right bro, it's just that most guys are just addicted.
@@raiontheone First you say getting a high level in league is pointless, you get beat for that point, now let's bring up addiction! Did video games ruin your life buddy? Ps, I'm not saying addiction isn't a issue or anything, just don't like people that gas light out of nowhere, and why is it has lighting? Addiction is pretttty far from your original argument.
the editor needs a raise for the intro
Hope this guy watches this back and realizes. Just the tone of his voice alone is telling. I sympathize as some one who has had to work on mentality and ego more than anything to progress. Not just in video games, but in all things. It is very hard to be unbiased when it comes to yourself.
Same here and i still have an ego lol. Its one of the hardest things to train for sure but i also think ego is healthy and positive when used right
Where the hell do you read an ego? We are not watching the same video. Guy literally agrees with EVERYTHING Neace tells him for the whole first game. He has difficulty adapting his mechanics. Does that mean he's ego inflated? No, dude is just trying to learn and has a whole bunch of things he's trying to do at once.
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Neace is projecting super hard and actually being the ego inflated one: a humble person would ask themselves "ok, this person is not applying things the way I want them, let's find out what's getting in the way" and wouldn't automatically default to "this guy has a huge ego and isn't listening to me and I'm right now matter what". Neace needs to chill and get some coaching on how to coach.
@@LegionL-A like the OP said. You can hear it in his voice. You must do the same thing and not realize it
@@LegionL-A its not difficult to use 3 point and click abilities on cooldown lol. Especially not for a platinum wukong main. Considering thats his only combo
One of my favorite videos of yours
I honestly think that you could speak to your clients with a calmer voice. Not everyone improves by getting yelled at. Loved the vid
Then don’t hire him.
I think he was a bit shy and wanted to come across as a confident person thats why he was giggling. He's not an asshole I bet he is a nice person with insecurities and self-consciousness
You also have to factor in how some people cant change suddenly when they have someone screaming in their ear or its more difficult for them
@@Souxz This is how I thought of the student as well. Maybe it takes a good month and 50 more games to capture some of the changes that were asked of them. Sometimes it takes people a while to get skills under the muscle memory. Even in plat.
@@Souxz sounds like a “you” problem. Why pay for a coach that is known to to be passionate/intolerable of stupid mistakes. I’d expect nothing less if I got coached from neace.
@@iliasarroyo That is absolutely true. Perhaps this student expected and or wanted to be the "good student" thats why at first he ignored objecting to neace screaming at him
Neace unfairly characterised him and painted an inaccurate picture of his character. And instead of giving constructive feedback, he lost his temper and began being insulting and hostile. It doesn't help the client, just makes things tense and awkward for no reason.
That fake vocal fry: “I swear bro, I sweeear bro”
Watching this I think I'm a plat player if this guy can get plat. 🤣
I'm gonna fire up wukong and give it a shot too lol
Nice you missed the entire point
@@IsEltyr Nice you missed the entire joke
@@geekerlmao damn
Plat is basically the point you reach when you have at least the bare minimum skill required to remotely play against other competitive players as well as getting large numbers of games on the board. Reaching plat for the first time is like graduating from school only to find that the real world is way tougher and you should have studied for your exams. Neace mentions it often to his clients that they need more games if they want to climb and that's basically the main prereq to getting plat. I don't care who you are if you play 5 ranked games a day and you're even remotely a teammate you'll be plat in no time.
to be fair he subconsciously thought of showing off
Guy got scammed 250$, painful to watch.
I kinda feel for that guy, because I once was exactly the same.
Holding your key ability for the very little percentage where it wouldve been useful at the very last second, because ONCE, it happened that you didnt hold it and you paid for it. I swear to god, I felt why this guy was holding his W.
Its like, in the early stages of your learning, you faced a situation which was a big exception to what you should do in a particular case, very counter intuitive, and you got it like it was the norm. Kind of a LoL rule, like "dont chase the singed", "hold ur key ability to the very last second (unless its an absolute necessity)
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Thing is, when you apprehend the game this way, for the exceptions that might occur, you miss like legit 90% of whats happening right before your eyes. It took me soooo long to get rid of this way of playing the game. And if an angry Neace would come to tell me how shitty I was, I'd went defensive too. I'm pretty sure he's being honest, he doesnt even understand why he gets roasted.
Sorry for my bad english, to be honest I watch these coaching sessions only because I'm practicing my understanding without subtitles because his english is lit :D
26:37 This was coach ego more than plat ego. 42:26 he is speaking the truth.
Nope dude don’t listen dude not fully immersed in a coaching game like yeah right
i can agree im plat and most of us have this kind of ego. We think were something special because we got above average but lack the humility to go further improve and get the diamond we all want, but all blame others that we cant get there.
Diamonds are as toxic in every aspect