High Guardian Spice's Writers Need to Practice Self Control | Full Series Analysis Part 3
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
01:43 Episode 8
15:12 Episode 9
25:32 Episode 10
30:24 Episode 11
50:32 Retrospective - Розваги
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00:00 Intro
1:43 Episode 8
15:12 Episode 9
25:32 Episode 10
30:24 Episode 11
50:32 Retrospective
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Remember those two sentient diamond golems that the main characters get killed? or the talking dragon in the same episode that is turned into a skeleton? both are somewhat played as jokes and the characters don't give a sad looks and characters saying "its not your fault" (dragon gets some sad looks from the characters, but its then undercut by him coming back to life as skeleton dragon and then exploding into stars). Both the golems and the dragon were sentient and able to talk, unlike the sea serpent,
Our "heroes" actually shout "woo-hoo" when they kill the diamond golems. Mind you that the golems were only angry at the four for stealing water from their sacred fountain.
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@@carabe197 The dragon seemed like normal animal beforehand with they're usually reaction to them, so like if it could talk why couldn't the sea serpent?? Them being related creatures wouldn't be farfetched 😔
If it's about intelligence that made them not feel empathy they didn't show that to the crabs, who'd be in the same category of the sea serpent then... 🤔
I mean, not defending the show but at 16:05 kinda dumb points. A scabbard will fly off a sword if you swing it, they don't lock to the blade, that'd defeat the purpose. The sword is double edged, so... there is no blunt. If you mean the saddle of the sword, well, that won't swing very hard or fast, a sword swung by its side towards something is slowed down massively.
I also don't get why it's hard for you to understand that, despite Rosemary not wanting to harm people etc, she has to anyways? You mentioned it yourself, she is in "hero mode." Was a soldier myself, did some shit, too. You do what you need to in the moment and regret it when your life and the lives of others aren't ont he line.
A ton to criticise about this show and stuff but eh, picking at straws... eh. The conflicts were stupidly paced and forced, too much is contrived etc.
Snapdragon's problem: being bullied by his super masculine family until he hates masculinity in general, but has also has it ingrained into him that men must be manly, and that it's wrong for men to like anything feminine, thus making him feel like there's something wrong with him.
The show's solution: have the self insert teacher groom him into being trans
It literally screams that the solution isn't that he needs to transition into a woman but simply deal with the fact that he is another guy that has been affected by masculinity tropes and stereotypes in society.
It would've been better if he accepts he isn't going to be like his father or brother wanted him to be but that doesn't make him any less of a capable young warrior. Cause in the flashbacks he isn't presenting any indictations of wanting to be a girl just """stereotypes"""" and """"ways"""" ppl attribute to girls (an not even so cause boys can have empathy for animals and not like fighting games)...
I hate that we can't have male characters deal with toxic masculinity as identifiable males themselves, they have to opt for always making them be seen as girls or to equal them to girls when the fact is they aren't any less men for their inherit characteristics.
It's very twisted that this is a representation of the very toxic 'if you aren't manly then you are a woman' bullshit we as man hear over and over in society, and the fact they instead of fighting it they cradle it to showcase a profesor inserting his beliefs into a young guy.
Attributing transexuality to toxic masculinity is fucked up, that's no reason but self hatred to his gender because of stigma he created by other ppl's concept of it.
@@yellowmesh7821 i honestly bet if a female character was told growing up to be feminine and hated looking feminine then the show would be like "be you! No one has to very girly or manly if you wanna be big and strong go dor it!" Instead of saying shes trans or hell maybe they wouldsince the creatorwas a female to male (no that im hating on for that), i think if this show ever got a season 2 they could save this plot line by snap transitioning but realizing he is just a feminine guy but sadly i know the writers mainly the one who hates men would never allow it
Oh yeah, this was so stupid. Progressive? Don't think so.
God that was creepy as hell. Too bad no one will ever tell that Snappy that most women don't like feminine men, but it's OK to have some feminine interests. I like to knit, it's neat to puzzle out how to make patterns and colours.
@Marav Reviews As you pointed out, no one wants femboys. Especially women.
Snapdragon's backstory is how you KNOW this show was written entirely by women.
Women can make good stories too, of course, BUT I BET THEY DIDN'T EVEN TALK TO A MAN AND ASK FOR MEN'S VIEWS ON GENDER IDENTITY AND FEMININE EXPRESSION WHILE MAKING SNAPDRAGON'S STORYLINE I-
I'm so frustrated argghhh
Not just any woman but a missanderist 👹
They proudly showed that it WAS written entirely by Women in the first Trailer.
The relationship between rosemary and sage really shows the term you write what you know. That scene is so depressingly realistic I can imagine this is something that is reflected by the writer's relationships with their real life friends. Every argument coming from sage is really hard to hear because it doesn't feel like it's from sage but the writer instead
I feel so too. Stereotypically the kind of people who write these shows burn bridges with friends and family from innocuous events.
@@trumann5975 Except that wouldn't they know what each other likes if they were really ever friends? Wouldn't they know that Rosemary is more into physical contests, while Sage is more into artistic ones? They've known each other forever, right? This problem was made up on the spot for some conflict, and by people who have never had any real friends.
@@Slitheringpeanut It's likely an argument that the creator had with her "friend" whom she isn't actually close to but hung around because she has a crush on her. Basically wishful thinking.
"It's so depressingly unrealistic, I can't imagine the writers of this scene actually had best friends at all". There, I fixed it🤣
This just makes the whole cartoon about friendships and who is able to have them and who isn't seems like its written by people who have no idea what friendship is and shouldn't be teaching others about it.
Bruh I know I’m not the only one who thinks Sage and Snapdragon being set up together feels wrong. Like Sage did Snapdragon so dirty in early episodes but because he looks like a girl now, suddenly she’s all hubba hubba lyke…idk feels kinda icky. Good for Snap tho but they deserve better
I agree, Purple hair girl is actually there for him. But the writers have there head up each others asses
Reverse the genders and it's obvious. The writers would screech about toxic masculinity if a guy was demeaning a girl one day then drooling over her the next because she dressed pretty that day. Yet they have no problem with the exact same behavior from a girl to a guy. Just goes to show they don't hate toxicity, only masculinity.
I agree, that shit makes me uncomfortable
I think we should take it as a blessing then that this show will surely not get a season 2.
And I agree, Sage doesn’t deserve a romance arc with the character she mocked for their birth sex without any rational motivation.
i didnt know that...ew
i always felt that snapdragon's storyline didn't fit in a fantasy setting where magic exists. where people turning into animals probably exists, the main 4 girls turning into mermaids, cat people like olive exists. their whole conflict regarding their identity rings hollow when new magic ( that has been blatant about how powerful and limitless it is ) is a thing.
exactly it should be a mundane whatever not a big deal. In a world where people can just change their body on a whim, heck I could see people having gender bend potions that last hours for like a Halloween party, it shouldn't be a big surprise etc.
A better idea for Snapdragon would be to make him a pacifist who comes from a long line of berserkers. Rather than be about his gender identity, it would be more about an internal conflict between his family routes as a berserker and his pacifist ideals.
@@galacticdevilOr be taught how to control himself and master his emotions while being trained as a guardian. I also hate the fact that rather than helping him learn how to use the axe the teacher took away ( What I gather to be his father's axe) to someone else. He could at least have kept it as a heirloom.
Snap is prob just another self insert, like tht one teacher.
It’s honestly weird.
I’m all for trans representation but not when it’s so thoughtless. If you want to make a trans character, world building becomes a massive part of that. High Guardian Spice’s writers wanted to make being trans a character arc for Snapdragon (I think this can be handled well in any setting… That is, if you’re able to handle it well). But there are so many part of this that just fall flat. There’s so little consideration about how the lore should affect this, I don’t think they can handle this and it would have been better if they took a similar approach to other shows and just made being trans a thing that people happen to be (I know plenty of you guys probably wouldn’t agree about minors transitioning but if you can use magic to transform you should be able to transform back lmao and irl, puberty blockers and social transitioning should be entirely reversible. minors are rarely even put on hormones anyway).
Honestly, what bothers me is the inconsistency of it all. Is it accepted? Is it not accepted? It certainly *seems* to be socially accepted, but they treat it like this niche thing that people don't know about.(I mean, Rosemary had 0 idea what it is. That scene had to have some reason to it for the fictional world, right?) There are also the minor contradictions, like how feminine boys and crossdressers are weird, but trans is not and how they bothered to make a permanent potion, but didn't bother making the actual duration permanent and people instead have to refresh it every so often.
It's just...nothing lines up. And it doesn't even serve any legitimate purpose. Instead of being a tool used for the story to properly explore identity, it's just "diffrent gender gud" and how certain personalities happen to line up with gender stereotypes. I understand that it's that simple for many people in real life, but this is still fantasy. They don't *have* to stick to how things work in reality, as long as they don't get offensive.
The way the male characters act makes it clear that the writers have never actually talked to a man but only parrot what they heard in Gender Studies. Can you imagine Kate Leth having to leave her feminist bubble and work at a regular job? She would be faced with so many contradictions, her head would explode.
Honestly i feel like that girl ain't never been to a gender studies, the other classmates would throw her out
I just love how the teacher who poisoned her students, made them deal with man-eating plants, & told Sage to discard her old magic practices and to embrace new magic is the same one who says "New magic is dangerous" AFTER Sage killed that sea monster with new magic.
The amount of hypocrisy in that scene was ten fold.
It's not hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is the wrong word.
Hypocrisy would be if she preaches old magic but uses new magic.
She's just irresponsible and stupid. She preaches new magic, uses new magic, and doesn't chide anyone for using new magic, but she fails to teach the potential dangers of new magic until after the knowledge would have been useful.
That's what happens when you
1) Don't take notes of the world and characters you're writing
2) Have too many writers working on the same project, especially when they're incapable of working together or unwilling to put in the work.
The chances of a season 2 are pretty low, but apparently the creators have come out and said that they consider Snapdragon trans, which honestly defeats the purpose of his argument with Sage in the hedge maze, about whether or not boys are just as in touch with their emotions and friendships as girls, by simply having him turn into a girl and suddenly Sage's argument that boys can't understand girl friendship is true, since Snapdragon is no longer a boy. And by having Sage start crushing on him the instant she sees how pretty he is "as a girl" in the mermaid costume, it just shows that she only likes his femininity.
There is no Season 2 in the cards. Rodriguez is currently at Warner Bros working on an unnamed DC project with original characters (Which makes me questions what's DC about it...) Leth is still looking for work, last I checked.
"...and this is where I'd stream Season 2... IF IT HAD ONE!"
By making Snapdragon trans it literally doesn't solve his issue at all. It actually just dismisses it entirely. No where in the show did he ever say he wanted to BE a girl. He could still stay a man and possess feminine traits, but apparently that's a foreign concept to these people. Have they even heard of Tomboys? Same thing here just reversed. They act like all men are just full of toxic masculinity, and when they aren't, oh they must want to transition because they display an admiration for the feminine side of things. 🤦♀️
Like how is it that, as a straight person, even this is more obvious to me than it is to them?
@@phoenixxxashez To be fair, Tomboys are an outdated concept. Most girls now are effectively 'tomboys' as they're all Grrl Powah and 'anything boys can do they can' attitudes. It's the girly-girl that's the rarity now.
@@Slitheringpeanut of course he is, his sexuality is everything to make crap shows again and again
Also that small flashback dosent really do a good job of showing why Snapdragon hates his dad like with the passion he has now. I can understand him being frustrated they don’t see eye to eye but in the flashback he’s not chastising him. He legit taught him a pretty basic lesson of “if someone takes something from you, take it back” he didn’t add bull shit like “your so weak” “you need to man up” in between. But idk that’s just me
Yes I was thinking a similar thing. His father teaches him an important lesson that is relevant to the world he lives in.
His dad was teaching him to stand up for yourself and your beliefs. It makes no sense to be this mad over it making him a pacifist and his dad going you need to use violence or you're weak would have more of a reason
Simple. They want weak men who can't stand for anything.
They did Cal so dirty. His only character trait was just...being a jerk. That was his entire reason for existing in this show. One-dimensional much like most of their other characters. The only one who wasn't so one-dimensional was Snapdragon and then...they had to ruin that too. Of course.
Aster...
More like meteoroid...
CRASHED
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If I’m thinking of who you are talking about (The guy that bullied Snapdragon), I felt bad for the voice actor because he got hate tweets on Twitter calling him homophobic and transphobic and he had to say the obvious thing “Actors are not the characters they play” He probably needed a job and actors are not in charge of decision-making of roles they play. 99% of the time they have to listen to what their director wants
@@NormalWinterFox I'm sad that ProZD has taken part in this project; hopefully due to reasons beyond his control.
@@NormalWinterFox WAIT. There's an actual toxic fandom for this show? Enough people to do something stupid like that? 😵
@@RedEyeDeath Apparently because the voice actor (ProZD) had to defend himself on twitter (I follow him so I saw the tweet)
Snapdragon's plight was done better by Kanji from Persona 4.
Kanji struggles with being known for being a delinquent (in reality he's beating up bikers because they keep his mom up at night) but also with the fact that he likes sewing and crocheting, which are typically feminine interests, as a man. His Social Link focuses on him being more open with his interests and accepting who he is. As much as he gets flak for his interests, no one in the Investigation Team SERIOUSLY thinks that he might as well transition if he like feminine activities. Seeing that with Snapdragon...kinda bugs me.
Because both his VA and the creator are Trans, thus they have no concept of reality.
@@Slitheringpeanut Oi, I resent that. I'm trans and I know this is a level of incompetence that's worse than even... Whatever happened with the dumpster fire late seasons of Voltron, and the Netflix Cowboy Bebop trash combined.
This is just shit directing and writing from people who never grew out of writing YuGiOh fanfics on FFnet at 14, and it's PAINFULLY obvious how immature the entire team is.
@@neoqwerty Raye Rodriguez is Trans and Snapdragon's VA also claims to be. This is what THEY believe. I cannot and will not speak for you. Your experience is unique to you.
Add Naoto as well. Who whose story was being a female in a man's world of detectives. So she diguised herself as a man.
By the end she learns to accept the fact that she is a Woman detective.
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Honestly I hate the idea of snapdragon transitioning, not because trans characters aren't good, but because it implies acting different than your birth gender means you're trans. That's such a harmful idea and it just reinforces gender roles. Caraway wasn't a perfect character, but at the very least he didn't say "I didn't like wearing dresses so I figured I was a boy", so why couldn't they do the same with snap? God
Also, it'd be interesting if transition was done with old magic, considering you have to give something back in order to cast it. That'd be a good allegory for the whole trans thing, since irl transitioning can cause you to lose friends and family. A little too dark, but it could work
Edit: Now that I'm thinking about the whole "boys don't talk about their feelings" scene, honestly? I think what would be better is Sage saying Snapdragon doesn't understand how hers and Roses relationship works because they're really close friends, not because they're girls, and snapdragon getting upset because he likes/has a crush on sage. It would be better and more heartbreaking in my opinion (but Kate leth wrote it so what the fuck do we expect honestly)
+1 It would be better if snapdragon would stay male but still can be into crossdressing or smt. Girls can dress manly and boys can look feminine
@@animae008 Exactly! Let Snapdragon grow confident in that area and also still enjoy what he likes to do. Then again, the crew of this show have issues with straight guys, given how they had not tried with many.
Yeah, it was honestly pretty disappointing. I love trans characters, but the whole message of Snap’s story seemed to be “if you don’t fit the gender roles assigned to you, you should transition,” and that’s fucked up. Gender and gender expression aren’t inherently linked. Masculine girls and feminine boys exist, both cis and trans, and it sucks that they made this really sensitive, fem amab character with an arc about emotion and finding their identity, only to slap a transition onto them. I doubt this is handled with any nuance :/
To me, I think transitioning is the most stupid idea that caraway had brought up. Because snapdragon did not say he FELT like a girl nor he say TALKS like a girl. He just a guy who likes to wear feminine clothing so where did caraway get this idea from. Even if snapdragon is going through this “transition” should he explore his identity first, instead of giving the answers for him.
I find it a insulting how the only male character who isn't a joke, a background extra or a sexist/evil prick has to become a girl, couldn't they have made it so Snapdragon learns to love himself for who he is and it is okay to like "girly" stuff and be pretty like one without having to change his gender? Isn't this counterproductive to breaking gender roles? Isn't this against equality? For a show that pats itself in the back for being progressive it sure has some close-minded ideas.
Oh but I'm just a guy and according to Kate Leth I deserve to be in the gulag
Yeah, that is a glaring problem in the show. If they had Snapdragon be comfortable with being feminine but not trans and had other young trans characters questioning, then it probably would have shown how complex identity is.
Welcome to Kate "All Men Are Cancelled" Leth's mental illness. Her hatred spews over everything she touches.
that's what they say buts it was never about equality it was about raising up women and lowering down men.
There's a certain chair wielding blonde man in Persona 4 they could take a page or 10 out of to improve Snaps character
@@FoolishFew Actually we don't need to go that far. He could just take his own father's advice to heart: Stand up for yourself. That's what his dad was trying to teach him. Nothing more. But Kate "All Men Are Cancelled" Leth can't have a manly man teach anyone any important life lessons, can she?
I know there have been a bunch of comments already pointing out flaws with the Snapdragon and Carroway scene (IE the hypocrisy that anyone who isn't manly is trans, reinforcing stereotypes of both sex, etc) I want to delve in on another point
You briefly mentioned that Caraway mentions that there are multiple options, but immediately afterwards, he starts introducing and teaching Snapdragon about transition magic. To me, this raises a bunch of red flags: Caraway is giving the illusion of choice to Snapdragon but only tries to show him a single path. Combined with the fact that Snapdragon is in a vulnerable, emotional state at that moment, it REALLY feels like Caraway is grooming a child into becoming trans, which is not the right message to send.
Furthermore, I just want to bring to light that a few people are trying to defend this by saying that Snapdragon is an "egg" - aka a trans person who doesn't realise that they're trans, to which I say: "Isn't trying to make judgements about who someone's sex just from their actions not only - again - going against the idea of the initial LGBT movement, but just really creepy?" It just opens the way for people to try and pressure others into using labels they aren't at all comfortable with.
the egg shit in and of itself is all about claiming the entire concept of being non-gender conforming for "trans" as if it were a hyper-expansionist nation, grabbing everything and anything it can justify laying claim to. It's an inherently abusive behaviour, insisting you understand what's in someone else's head better than they do, projecting yourself and what you want to see on someone else, and then denying them the ability to even disagree because you've defined them as being wrong if they do so.
It's honestly a form of gaslighting, and it's really fucking disgusting.
man acting girly= trans
girl acting manly= girl power
teachers also hate men and groom students into becoming trans FEMALE not male because they hate males
this whole show is a propaganda
honestly the whole "talk about trasnitioning magic" kind of felt like he was trying to groom snapdragon.
I can see that.
as bad as i would feel for snap, that idea has a lot of potential though and would make an interesting character arc for him
@@trumann5975 It is interesting, but it would probably receive alot of backlash, understandably so. I mean, a trans character grooming another character into being trans? That has unfortunate implications..
Just realized I responded to the wrong person, whoops!
No, it really didn't. Snap talked about having trans feelings before she knew Caraway knew what being trans is, and all Caraway did was bring up that transition magic existed.
@@chelonianmobile Why not ask why he thinks that, then, instead? Others (mostly transpeople) elaborated at length about how having him as trans rep was doing a disservice with how they pulled it as his backstory very much reads like gendernonconformity and having him be trans would play transsexuality as a game of Stereotypes, among other reasons. So having the only other trans character immediately flock to it seems very offputting. It gives me definite Egg_IRL vibes which a lot of transpeople avoid like the pest for similar reasons.
The writing of this show reminds me of a young anime fan attempting to make their own show. They only add stuff they really want,then leave out the important things that make the anime that they are inspired by...actually good. The thing with this show is that the creators focus more on the characters(and relationships-which aren't even done right lmao),more than the actual plot and environment. Also I feel like the creators just wanted to create a show just to get a fandom, which is probably why the characters are so one-dimensional and they remind me of headcanons someone would've made .Honestly if they wanted to make a slice of life they should've done that since they can't bother fully expanding on fantasy themes and staying in that lane.
I don't know if that is even accurate. Even if a young anime (or any form of entertainment media like cartoon, TV show, movie, or book) fan neglects storytelling, setting, and focus solely on characters, you will still see the effort they put into developing their character. You will still be able to describe who the character is, how she acts, how she handles situations, etc. My Immortal is a good example. The writing is atrocious, the plot makes no sense, the setting can be best summarized by the words "I don't care if this makes sense. I'll add it in because it's awesome," but I can still tell you that Ebony Darkness Dementia Raven Way is an extremely narcissistic, spoiled, and crass emo teenager.
I can't tell you a single thing about the characters of High Guardian Spice. In fact, I don't think they even qualify as characters. They're more like caricatures that the writers can stick on their hands and live out their fantasy of finally winning a political argument.
Then you remember this is a team of adults
The mermaid episode could be the perfect opportunity to have Snapdragon try to adopt a mixture of masculinity and femininity: a path that allows him to be comfortable with his masculine body, while adopting feminine traits into some, or most, of his activities. However, this seems to be a bit too complicated for the writers to properly execute, and decided to go the trans route because it's "easier". I for one have neither hatred for trans people, nor any desire to persecute anyone in the LGBTQ community for their views. I just find is ironic that the writers pride themselves on being diverse, and yet they can't bring themselves to go outside their comfort zones and write male character who are just as complex, and sympathetic, as their female protagonists.
"Diverse Writing group" Their whole writing team are white gay women. No man or person of color was involved in making this. Im not sure they know what diversity means.
Considering the writing staff marketed as diverse yet is made up of white, rich, gay women with shitty world views of kill all me Kate L and kill all men and biological women are the only women other Kate who wrote half the episodes together I'm not shocked it's a trainwreck I'm shocked it's not worse.
Diversity is code word for anti male.
Hes already more complex than the main females in my opinion, he may not have been super complex but he has more character than the leads in my opinion.
I also notice alot of dudes getting attacked/threatened and nothing happens. Like the teachers dont laugh about it. Which is sort of in character since the teachers dont seem to care if the students live or die but I get the feeling if the male characters decked the girls they would be in trouble.
I think you'd be right!
The whole series reads like its just Rodriguez projecting his own issues, kinks, and wishes on for the world to see without the slightest bit of irony or self awareness. It's like looking into the psyche of either a very childish adult who believes that the world revolves around them or an undiagnosed narcissist.
well the whole team are petty middle age inmature karens
you already see his self insert character on art for something else that's apparently being worked on by the same maker.
Actually, it's mostly Kate "All Men Are Cancelled" Leth's issues. Rodriguez has no idea how to write or pace a story, and let Leth do all the writing. There's a reason her name is on every episode.
@@Slitheringpeanut Actually Katie Mcvay might also be another reason
The amount of episodes written by Katie and Kate on is half of the series. Also she seems to be quite politically active judging by the twitter account.
@@tirramasu7948 Hmm, so we could extrapolate that the masculine characters being portrayed as 'evil' caricatures to Leth and the Old vs. New Magic as the Conservative vs. Progressive politics to McVay? Hmm,
I would feel bad for mocking a show made by adults with the mental capacity of preschoolers BUT they stole money from their audience by falsely promsing subscription money would go to legitimate animators when instead it mostly went into making this master disaster excuse of a cartoon.
Yeah. normally i separate the product from the maker, but when the selling point of the product (aka the trailer etc) is nothing but talking about the makers then sorry you put the makers as the point of the product so I will use them as part of the judgement.
I mean look at the trailer. i think like 70 percent or so of it is talking about the cast while like 5-10 percent is about the actual product.
I find it funny how they made New Magic a thinly veiled allegory for being progressive, only to flip the script and call that "progressive magic" dangerous, unstable and irresponsible.
Truly smoothbrained.
That’s what happens when people mix their metaphors and allegories up; you put two or more ideas into the same subject and they are going to clash if you’re not careful.
Had they not used obvious language like “conservative” and such, you could say Old Vs New magic is a metaphor from industrialisation and commercialism vs conservation and minimalism and it’d make a lot more sense.
Funny how “conservation” and “conservative” come from the same base word but carry significantly different connotations.
I also feel like that's why Old Magic is never shown to have a benefit over New Magic. The writers physically can not bring themselves to imply there is a single positive to conservatism.
@@kurestor1603 only for them to... *checks script* have new magic users (progressives) and old magic users (conservatives) unite to fight a common enemy? For progressivism and conservatism to get mixed together tk defeat evil? I'm pretty sure that last time I checked, suggesting this in the circles these writers move in might as well be political suicide.
Man, this show can't stop making mixed messages at every opportunity, can it?
This is an old comment but I honestly don't think that Old Vs New magic was supposed to be an allegory for political stances. I think they just said the word "conservative" and everyone just latched on to it saying "oh look at them making such an obvious and hamfisted allegory" because that's expected of the show.
I lined up 'everything has a cost' old magic and capitalism with new magic being 'everything is free' socialism. Then the underlying cost of the socialist system was causing the rot. LOL. They can't write for shit.
A couple thoughts occurred to me after finishing the series. The first thought went something like "oh my _Goooooooddddd_ this is boring..." But the second was that, if the writers had any brains whatsoever, it might have occurred to them that the way they wrote Old Magic versus New Magic was essentially a metaphor for martial arts in an era of increasingly common _gun_ use.
Just listen to how they're described. Old Magic is an older art form reliant on a lot of knowledge, preparation, personal sacrifice, and so on. However, New Magic is bound to terraspheres (which are implied to be on the expensive side) and can be released by any dork without necessarily needing knowledge or power. Amyrillis even describes New Magic as when somebody else far away builds what amounts to a magical cartridge, as if they can be mass produced. They're fathoms more effective, and you don't even need any magical aptitude or energy to use it. (Not like an implied mana pool is _ever_ brought up or even implied in this show at any point, so what does it matter? What stops a warrior like Rosemary or a ranger like Thyme from having their own terrasphere and rendering Sage utterly superfluous?) The worst thing that can possibly happen is either (1) it runs out of power (which only happened once, and never when the user would have been put in peril), or (2) you lose control like a total Alec Baldwin and accidentally shoot someone. Also, while the in-the-know characters will constantly talk up New Magic as the empirically superior thing you should always go for if you have the choice, they'll always have that caveat that Old Magic is still useful... for some reason. Though HGS never elaborates on that with any degree of depth, I presume the idea is that Old Magic forms the theoretical basis for a lot of how New Magic works at its highest levels of use. In fact, someone who _is_ capable of doing both is considered the biggest badass of all.
This is all true in the relationship between martial arts and guns, where guns are the inherently superior thing that anybody can use, but there's still the understanding that if you don't have a grasp of some of the basic fundamentals, you can be as much of a danger to yourself and others as the threat you're trying to shoot. Also, there's a fairly high financial barrier to having your own gun, and just because you have a gun doesn't mean it's the right fit for use as your every day carry (or EDC in self-defense parlance). And lastly, while guns are objectively better, the gold standard is to know your way around both your gun _and_ to know some kind of practical martial art (such as Judo or Krav Maga; think less triple-spinning-corkscrew-back-kick, more hit-bad-man-with-planet) and thus you'll be ready for anything at any distance.
There was even that scene where Sage was trying to stealth draw her terrasphere on Olive in a _clearly_ Old-West-y, Big-Iron-y sort of way, only to get it blown out of her hand. This demonstrates that this show was written by people who think you can shoot guns out of people's hands... Don't do that IRL, by the way. You are responsible for all bullets you discharge until they stop moving, including if you miss and skull-fawk a pedestrian, so keep it center of mass. Yes, Navy SEALs shoot people in the head. No, you are not basically just as good as a Navy SEAL. Clearly somebody had this idea, and invoked a lot of firearms tropes. But instead, the official interpretation seems to be "well _my_ magic can do anything I want, so there! (*blows raspberry*)" So mature. An exemplar to us all, really. Wasn't one of the guardian vows to "stay curious" or something?
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Thanks so much for informing me!
No amount of beaching will protect the creators from the poaching that is happening to this god awful show
"What's the difference between transformation and transition magic" - none - because I guess there is no consistency in nomenclature in this trainwreck.
Besides - polymorphy spell would be a more... proper term, but I believe that any idea of subtlety and world-building is way beyond this show. I mean - literally it seems that all sensible attempts at world building were thrown out the window.
You can't have world building in this series. Because they took a place where magic makes anything possible. And are trying to plaster real world elements into it. They will keep getting stuck on things. Because what they want to tell will break a plot later on. Trans issues would not exist in this world. It be all common and accepted. The devil lady and the giant. This world would have already dealt with different species intermingling. What does trans matter at that point? Snap can just switch back if it isn't what he wants. In the later episode when he's talking about the girls being Mermaid's. Nothing was stopping him for just changing into one. Than figure out who he is. For this to work like they wanted. The magic element had to have been found out a year ago. Where no one can control it properly. Than these things could work in a better way. But there be no school, or anything else.
That's why this two parter is messed up. They devise a plot for the characters to go to. But don't care how the character had to be, to reach this point. They're treated like video game characters. What we see, is all that matters. They had no life before they came on screen. That's why Sage yelling at Rose happens now. And not years ago, or during the moments she mentions. To do this better. Would have required them to show the early days of their lives. And had Rose ignore Sage, when she talked. But than you start questioning, why is she her friend. You'd have to build a whole flashback episode just around this. Or build a whole episode focusing solely on Rose and Sage having a huge argument. Triggering this event. You'd still also need flashbacks. This could be Sage's personality arc. She stayed quiet all these years. Maybe Sage couldn't make friends easily.
This could all be tied with the whole old and new magic. Sage doesn't want to use new. And didn't really want to say it out loud. This shows she has self esteem issues. With Rose being an airhead, was the first time anyone wanted to be with her. Sage is basically treating Rose like her new magic position. This could have been where she would make the decision to use new magic or old, while telling Rose. This is actual world building. A plot line for a main character. That wraps into the shows primary story. It be hard to get these characters to work. If all this was revealed. You'd need many episodes to get this to flow. And this is not their goal.
What was stopping Sage from using her old magic to fight the cat girl. She doesn't need her orb thing. Heck, Sage is technically better than all magic users. Because she can use both. Disarm her, go manual. The writers where stopping her, that's it. Like they stopped this show from becoming something good. When I see Rose stop with the whole blood cutting thing. It's like they're breaking the forth wall. "Is my series showing blood?"
I only saw this show as a set piece, or soapbox, to use for their obscene messages. The idea of trying to actually craft a deep and thought out world was probably secondary to them. I mean, why bother with doing that for a show you worked so hard on, when you can use it to be spiteful towards men, have your representation of characters/stereotypes you want to see more of, but done poorly, and show how "diverse" it is because of the people working on it.
There's better ways to making great works of art, that can give shine to diverse characters, without making it come out as pandering, spiteful, and overall lazy. I'd honestly love to see a MC that's Trans, and how the writers actually give depth to this person and their mental, emotional, physical and spiritual struggles on trying to find and accept themselves on who they are, or wish to be; without it coming off as condescending, preachy, and political.
@@XDarkEcho I would say to do that. The character has to be a character. Trans is not brought up every episode. Or used as an excuse for X thing. Like Batwoman does with its characters. And to do any type of direct story about their background. Has to be years into the show that's established as good first.
@@rangerreview1780 True, and I find it awfully silly that every female character in this show is either Trans, hate men, or are all gay/closet gay. Like...why? It's just strange to me, even Wonder Woman, an Amazon Warrior Princess, who normally looked down on men, finds herself attracted to them. It just comes off as unbelievable to me, and distracting.
I agree 100% with everything with you said...But Snap's dad int he flashback was not bullying him (his brother totally was though). Snap fought back and his dad praised him for it, a bully does not like it when you fight back. Clearly his dad was encouraging Snap to be willing to fight to protect and keep what is his. In a world of magic and MONSTERS, you need to be able to fight to protect what's important to you. But that's not the message the writers intended. The intended message was Traditional Male = Bad.
Also I find it hilarious that we have a world where magic is casually used and healing spells are nothing special..But Snap breaks his wrist and magic isn't used to instantly heal it.
Also when you used terms like "Self Control" and "Self Discipline", I think the word that most applies to the writers of HGS is "Lack of Restraint". The writers of this show have ZERO restraint when it comes to writing in the things they WANT in the show..They either don't realise, or don't CARE that those things, don't necessarily work in the world they've set up. Like the LGBTQ themes, the poorly written characters, the inconsistent worldbuilding, and lack of forethought in how the world is supposed to work.
Restraint is a good word for it, control/discipline just were the first to come to mind.
@@trumann5975 Yeah, it makes me think the writers were allowed to work with very little oversight, someone to manage all the ideas they wanted to use - so HGS just ended up as one big mess.
It's something important I feel they weren't taught as kids (looking at the staff behind the show they seem to be privileged college grads with useless gender studies degrees) was restraint or compromise. Being told "no" or "eat your peas first". They just want the good stuff now and don't care to be denied.
Like Raye shoving their self-insert into the series purely to push their gender identity agenda. Just because you CAN, doesn't mean you SHOULD.
It's still a bad father, because he didn't actually stop the bullying, just interfered in this one instance. While I agree that the message of learning to defend yourself is valid and should be taught, demanding that the clearly younger and weaker sibling still spend time, especially time _sparring,_ with their older jerkass brother who bullies them for no reason, is a terribly bad call.
@@theuncalledfor You can't judge Medieval morality or standards for rearing children by our 21st century morality. Besides this is a world where children are routinely put through the HG Academy which is basically a meat grinder. Life is cheap and monsters are everywhere.
To us it seems neglectful but back then, kids generally fended for themselves. To be too attentive was seen as setting them up to be weak, soft and sheltered. It's like "you should be strong enough to defend yourself" parenting.
An editor's job is to tell someone that something is dumb, or bad. The original star wars trilogy had an editor that told George when something was stupid. In the prequel trilogy george was too big for anyone to tell no to, which is why we got things like jar jar, but even then the overarching plot was at least coherent. But in HGS I bet no one is ever allowed to say anything is a bad idea because "girl power"
The whole “Star Wars was saved in editing”story, as well as most stories made up about George Lucas, was a lie. I suggest you watch the response to that video by “Nerdonymous”.
So, wait, Snapdragon's never had a bone broken through 'roughhousing' with his family? Never? So, he breaks his arm defending himself, gets bandaged up and healed through magic, and THEN he breaks down and cries? The hell is this cause and effect?
I'm not convinced that his wrist was even healed...
As for the crying, if I were lenient enough, I'd say that was supposed to be him finally letting his feelings be open or something.
rose is a warrior while olive is a mage yet she still got her ass handed to her for the most part. is this to demonstrate how dangerous olive is or how incompetent rose is? in close combat and in most media I'm pretty sure the warrior class should have the advantage
A little bit of hesitation when fighting a human for the first time would've made the fight more sensible.
The fact that Olive resorted to melee combat at all is stupid.
@@Slitheringpeanut true, she could have just used the magic to say ''abra-ca-yeet'' and turn rose into stone too or smth.
@@puss_n_booze or just zap her, or turn her into a frog, or freeze her or delete her of existence.
Since you know magic can do anything
I liked that moment when she's hurt olive. You can know that a thing happens and not understand the gravity of the action until you actually do it. Yes, you know it will hurt, but children of like..13 don't realize the actual weight of 'this is a thing that kills' until they fuck up. A kitchen knife is made to cutting meat but you don't realize how insanely dangerous that is until you take the tip of your finger off. She knew she could cut olive but had never actually hurt someone before. Seeing the blood brought reality down on her like a freight train. Now she gets it... Iirc this happens before the mermaid episode with the sea dragon. This sets up Rosemary to be prepared to take that life and do it respectfully...at least if it's in the right order anyway.
Already posted this to a reply to a similar comment but I thought it'd be easier if I just reply an abridged ver instead of direct you there.
You make a good point. I'd like to rebuke that they used real weapons in their training in EP5(the one with Aster). We know they're real since they pierce and slash through dummies. No one got hurt sparring? The writing never address the serious ramifications of weapons. EP2 was supposed to teach that as a lesson, that the appearance of weapons should not decide our actions towards one another. Yet none of that is seen anywhere until now, way to far into the series. EP7 Rosemary attacks that bug thing and is drenched in blood, but alas no reaction to this.
The show decided to focus on the wrong aspects instead of tackling it's fantasy theme upfront.
Just throwing my two cents in here, but I think Sage turning to stone would be the better choice. Consider how the episode has gone for them. Sage wants to do something she likes together with Rosemary, only for the latter to brush her off. From what I've observed, Rosemary seems to be the one who, despite being Sage's best friend, neglects her friendship a lot of the time. For example, the episode where Rosemary spends most of the time with Aster, much to Sage's annoyance. I think having Sage become stone, even if only temporary, would be a great wake-up call for Rosemary. I mean, if you're going to have Rosemary and Olive duke it out anyway, why not raise the stakes?
Snapdragon seems like the embodiment of contradiction. He doesn't want to be strong like a guy. but being strong,(or at least the context in what the dad was saying) aka fighting to get what you want, is EXACTLY what the girls do as well.
In short... he wants to be EXACTLY what his dad wants him to be but doesn't want to JUST because HIS DAD said it. (a MAN said it) Even though the girls are doing what the dad teaches like it's second nature. The only difference is Snapdragon wants to look a bit on the pretty side while doing it.
Which... at least with what the dad says... is not an issue. All he says is to fight to get what you want. Protect what you feel is yours and that's it, right?
I mean, no matter who you are... that's a good lesson to teach.
Wow, I never looked at it fromthis angle. Good point. That's because the writers know nothing about human phsycology and how character building works. It's a mess, it's a total mess and lost opportunities.
@@daryatislenko4651 True. What's fun about anime is that the deeper you look into the story or character it gets more interesting and you may learn more stuff making them feel more alive.
But with HGS, it's like you can see the lack of depth and even find writing mistakes like this.
Which is a real shame, since everyone says Snapdragon is their best-written character. (which I agree in concept) But the more you look into him... you realize he's sadly just as badly written/executed as the rest of them.
The difference is that he's not a common stereotype. (at least in the west) The closes I can see him being is what the anime community calls a trap. aka a guy or girl completely looks and acts like the opposite sex that is revealed of what their true gender is either when they are introduced, or partway through their story arcs.
But they are usually shown as very confident people. Kind of like what the self-insert teacher is meant to be written.
@@user-th1qo4cq9g, agree. I think it would be better for Snapdragon to be a femboy. Because the "oh so progressive" HGS is showing that you can only be "strong and douchy" as a guy or "brave and stunning" as a girl, which is a really bad message. Girls can have masculine traits and guys can have feminine ones. And you don't need to play into the stereotypes that the creators should be against.
I'm sorry for my rant. This show is so contradictive and inconsistent that as a writer myself I feel so frustrated.
Honestly, the moment of her looking at the sword could stand to be an intensely interesting character moment. I don't know if they'll ever build on it, but having the generic fantasy hero go... "Oh, shit, I have to _hurt_ people to be the hero." is an interesting subversion. Yakuza 0 did it astoundingly well with both Kiryu and Majima having to confront the question; is crossing the moral line of murder something they're willing to do to be the men they aspire to be?
Here, it juxtaposes something even more interesting. The stories children are told are often sanitized. Using the mature limits to have a childlike character confront reality can provide growth that is often missed in other stories. Either the hero goes "a good guy never kills nobody!" and can always talk their way out of it or the the character is simply never challenged with it by killing robots or nonhuman entities.
Also the fact that Avatar the last Airbender is both praised and critiqued to death shows that kid shows can have good writing as people argue Avtar the last Airbender has the best.
Self control is an important aspect of writing, and as a writer myself I understand how difficult it is to maintain.
I've had to stop myself a lot from jumping the shark and getting to certain moments that I liked, when I needed to actually build up to it with less exciting bits of writing. I've had to re-write a lot of segments to make them more subtle.
This show has all the subtlety and style of a shit covered bull in a knickknack shop, to paraphrase someone else. I think putting forth political messages and philosophy in a story can be done well, I mean George Orwell was extremely good at it. But you have to know what you're doing, and they clearly don't.
If you're going to present ideas that have clear parallels to real life they need to be presented fairly and in a balanced way. This show says "fuck that" and just goes with a shallow and vapid "old stuff bad, new stuff good" message and the writers don't have the skill, tact, or self awareness to create something that can actually argue the case and give it the due diligence a political/philosophical topic needs to be engaging for an audience. This show isn't for anyone other than the creators themselves. It's self indulgent trash, which is why it's so unmitigated and amateurish.
Additionally, them acknowledging that "actually new magic has some downsides too" just seems like something tacked on towards the end because they realized that they needed more conflict for the story. It feels cheap, if this was always an issue with new magic then it should have been mentioned as soon as possible.
I can't get over how much Olive looks like Ichigo from Tokyo Mew Mew. I feels like a legit rip-off. The only argument a person can make is that Olive's design is so completely devoid of any accessories and the color. They couldn't even put a single bow on Olive without making it look more like a rip-off.
It's even worse. Olive is a rip off Hime Azumi, the main character a short story by the creator of Tokyo Mew Mew before the original manga began. If you look at the two its a dead ringer.
@@Fairydragon12 So (head-canon MODE), Devil Homura *didn't* brainwash Ichigo M. and dispatch her to Lyngarth, but her predecessor from TOKYO BLACK CAT GIRL. Why Homura changed her name from Hime to Olive, I don't know.
@@acsound mentioning devil homura, don't you think that Sage's Halloween outfit seems like an alternative outfit of hers
Olive totally rips off the design of Tokyo Black Cat girl!
Isn't Olive based on the Raye's cat of the same name? If so, then maybe that's why Mandrake or the Council never kill her off for insubordination.
If not, then I'mma dunce XD
Oh man, I never tired watching HGS being roasted and criticized
- Wait, aren't Anise and Aloe supposed to be happily married? If these "parties" they go to are what we think they are, are the ladies THAT bored with each other? Geez, between them and that woman who suggested zoophilia, Episode 8 is so filthy...
- Rosemary only then taking in the harm she caused to Olive doesn't seem too unbelievable, honestly. I only say this because I've seen something similar in Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes - Meryl, a young woman who always fantasized the idea of being a soldier, shot down several Genome Soldiers and was horrified after seeing what she did. I don't think most rookies would understand what kinds of moral risks they're taking until they cross that first line.
- Honestly, Snapdragon's father didn't seem that bad to me. He just acted like a typical dad - he stopped Yarrow from getting rough with the river bunny, he encouraged Snap to stand up for what he wants to protect, even let the boy hit him in the jimmies in the process. One could probably interpret this as Snap just misunderstanding his dad's intentions...if one ignored the writers' tragically blatant intentions. (Also, how could the man have a full beard at age 12? It could definitely happen at 18, but...12??)
- But yeah, Caraway's talk with Snapdragon just ruins everything when you remember the bigger picture - especially Sage's sexist rant in Episode 6 and Julia claiming that Snap's a trans girl...It really would've been better if the transition magic was permanent instead of needing a monthly potion, so Caraway could point out that it's a big risk to take (Manga Writer has a little animatic revolving around this idea). And I still think the "prettyboy" route would've been more interesting for Snapdragon, to prove that there are more shades than just manly men and feminine women - like, there's PLENTY of pretty men in fiction, especially Japanese fiction, who are still strong at their core without needing to turn female (Cecil Harvey is one of my favorite examples).
- Looking up the episode summary, the Scypith used to be friends with the merfolk. So...yeah, that's likely why they wanted to not kill it.
would have been neat for the jerk guy to actually find himself attracted to snap dragon when hes cross dressing and get an actual story of sexual awakening between the two, you know, something progressive like they keep going on about, and hell have the fact that new magic is so easy be made a point with people using it more for evil like the cat while old magic needs training, dedicating and will to control so people learn to respect their power rather than throw it around, same goal different paths ends up with different results, easy isnt always better sort of message
The thing is, Cal's reaction could have easily been something perfectly understandable.
Just say he comes from a traditional family, in a way, you can say he's a foil of Snapdragon but he embraces tradition compared to Snap struggling with his own wants and desires and how they mesh with how he was taught. In this moment, if we were to follow this thread, Cal would probably, instead of being a bully, IGNORE Snapdragon and just not relate to him. So, when they're going to the Mermaids, you can have the two come into conflict about what Snapdragon thinks is 'okay' and what Cal doesn't. In this way, they could have Snapdragon realize a bit more about himself while also understanding a bit about what tradition means to different people.
Cal, meanwhile, could come to accept the world for what it is. In this hypothetical situation, it's not that he doesn't know crossdressing exists, it's that he doesn't care for it much like his family. They don't care for things NOT traditional and they run with the angle that he's simply, unfornately to him, more 'okay' with it but only so much as knowing it exists and not having a thing to do with it.
I feel like for the magic system maybe can be like
New magic: Easier to learn = harder to control
Old magic: Harder to learn = Easier to control
Makes sense
I cannot understand how or why the memory of Rosemary crying about her mom was considered an embarrassing one for her. If the spell only worked on the ones the victim finds the most embarrassing, why that one? What is embarrassing about it? And why would Sage not know it's a conflict Rosemary has, especially if she knew Rosemary had nightmares about it in episode one?
Maybe I'm the odd one here, but I don't find it embarrassing to have cried over the loss of a loved one as a child. Even if I was able to look back in hindsight and find that it wasn't an actual tragic loss, it still doesn't seem like something to qualify as embarrassing.
37:08 they did Padre a dirty, cause Padre is just being a dad. The brother yes, not arguing that cause you can tell the buzz mccallister copy-paste. Padre wasn't being a bully, he was teaching snap how to stand up against bullies, him laughing and saying good is proof of a proud dad.
He's a GOOD dad too, but of course, Kate "All Men Are Cancelled" Leth can't have that in HER show.
He seems like a good guy he wants Snap to fight for what he wants. wasn't even mad or anything. He wants Snap to be a warrior and be strong.
Offtopic, padre means dad in Spanish. So.. the dad's name is just dad...
@@ocurimi Mr. Dad.
So, I'm just noticing this really late, but... Sage is either the creator's favorite character or they utterly despise her. There's no in between. Everything she does is implied to be the right thing to do, but she, herself, is so unlikeable that is funny.
I can imagine the writers being like "Sage is our precious little girl, so we're gonna ignore Rosemary completely to try and give her screen time. But we need her to have some kind of conflict, tho... Oh, but don't you dare giving her any flaw or any interesting plot that could make her character develop in any way. She's perfect just as she is." And she's literally, to me at least, the most disappointing one out of the entire cast...
There was a comment i saw in another video discussing high guardian
When Calloway talks about the transformation magic to Snapdragon..why does he assume Snap wants to be trans?
Like the commenter suggests that maybe Snapdragon just likes crossdressing. He likes dressing up as a girl so help hide his masculine side.
Calloway pushing the idea that he could use transition-i mean transformation magic to change his gender just feels semi destructive and almost forceful. Like there are people who crossdress yet keeps their genetalia the same. They just like dressing up as a girl and haven't thought of delving into transition surgery yet.
Nah, the robot just dumped a few dozen gallons of hydraulic fluid into the river. Like _that's_ good for the environment. I don't remember if it was you or someone else, but someone compared New Magic users (or whoever created the Terraspheres) to Shinra, and I am starting to agree.
Its weird that the conservative position in the show is that maybe ready made spells that can mass murder with ease being readily available to everyone might be a bad thing.
And that re: OLD MAGIC - that the conservative position is effectively the ARBOR DAY FOUNDATION's theme song! Observe: ua-cam.com/video/VwMnWj86FGs/v-deo.html
Yep, the above melody would probably be a mantra that Sage's mom used for her equivalent exchange growth spell payments (per Sage's rant to her cousin and cousin-in-law).
they use the first episode (that was suppose to be an introduction of the show's characters and plot) as a filler
while this costume party episode (that is suppose to be a filler because of the theme) as the introduction of the villain, the major plot, and the fight scenes...
the scene where snapdragon bullied by his brother and being stopped by his father will be more make sense if snap actually want to be a macular guy so nobody can bully him anymore than being a girl honestly.. unless if snap was saved by a woman instead... that build up is just wrong..
How come someone that has zero experience in writing a story.. got a huge platform to begin with??
What the heck man, this show is so *stunning* and *brave* . Now excuse me as I go take a massive dump and send it to CR, they'll probably greenlight that too.
The irony of it is that the original concept for it was BETTER... And it got refused for developing into a book, a cartoon, a game, and so on. So it got shelved and then it was necromancied and frankensteined for Crunchyroll's requirements.
So we can LITERALLY say it was Crunchyroll's fault it's this shit. Crunchyroll is like the book publishers who thought 50 Shades of Grey (the twilight au fanfic) or Born To Be Bound (the het omegaverse donut steel not a Batman au fanfic I swear! lawsuit lady) were good. Except HGS wasn't even a financial success.
Exactly what you said, in a world where transformation is so easy like a snap of your fingers, why is gender still the biggest issue here? Snapdragon's arc is really just trans stuff forced in for no reason but to push the creator's agenda. Imo the craziest part about snapdragon is that he's really progressive and mature. "You can't change who you are." that is very powerful and progressive line and it's honestly a brave thing for a gender dysmorphic person to say/understand and face especially coming into 2022. But instead of being supportive, caraway just dismisses it. Just talks about transitional magic, feeding into Snap's self esteem issues.
It makes sense if these issues are incorporated into the fantasy for example like snap wanting to become a mermaid (this alone already represents all the transgender issues). He understands there is transformation magic already, it's pretty much part and parcel of life in this world. But he is incompatible to transform into a mermaid because he is of the fire element while the mermaid race is of water. So this is a realistic struggle for him that correlates in this world.
And also Caraway has no business to be trans, I really despise this character. He could have been biologically male, not understand what snap is going through and try to relate his life to Snap. This transition magic is really a slap in the face for all the trans people out there. In our reality they have to sacrifice everything, friendships ruined and lives torn apart. Years of therapy/hormones and torment just to feel normal. And then transitional magic just goes 'poof, you have a penis now. Congratulations you're now officially a man.' This really is raye rodriguez's wet dream fantasy on how easy she wishes transitioning is.
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I've felt like I missed something about Snapdragon's character and I just realised that it's much more worse than that. The fact is snapdragon never wanted to be a woman in the first place, he only admires women and hates that he's going to turn into a character like his father. All he needs a strong adult male role model that looks like his father but is soft and sensitive. To tell him that it's okay to be a man and be feminine/sensitive at the same time, snap doesn't need this trans nonsense. It honestly makes caraway's character even worse right now
In a better story, this would lead to a point where Snapdragon acknowledges that New Magic is a crutch and easy way out for characters who don't want to put in the real arduous effort to actualize their true selves and come to terms with it.
Caraway really feels like a groomer...
We desperately need to remember that being a man doesn’t mean only one way to be masculine any more than there’s only one kind of woman. I think that’s what leads to some cases where people think they don’t conform enough so they must transition. If you can make peace with being a unique man or woman you don’t need so many surgeries and less therapy.
Fully agree, starter
The freaking blacksmith teacher would work perfectly as a softer male role model! He's shown in one of the best lights as a male character(from what I've seen at least), seems rather warm and friendly, and looks quite like Snap's dad. That would have also given the teacher more screentime and importance(although his voice acting is pretty bad but I unironically enjoy it).
After watching so many reviews of this series, they really could of benefited on focusing on the actual characters and their conflicts. The characters of Amaranth, Snapdragon, Nappy Cat and Olive than the actual main characters of the show.
w/ co-star, Slime Boy.
clime boy is the quirky next door neighbor for them XD
@@otbaht {cue audience cheer}
I feel like the part that makes the whole Snapdragon transitioning thing kinda feel odd to me is that it basically jumps right over positive masculinity. The moment Snap is anything but extremely heteronormative, it jumps all the way to 'you're actually a girl'. Like the feminine is this broad and diverse range of expressions but the masculine is this highly narrow, macho thing. It's like a strange, one-way rigid enforcement of gender stereotypes.
On the topic of transition vs transformation magic. I had a character I had written who was male to female trans in a story with magic in the world. Transformation magic existed, but was generally limited. A magic user could transform into an animal as an example but only one tied to their bloodline. Rather than make it like they do in High Guardian Spice, I decided for her that she would have a magic tattoo which basically acted as the spell to regulate everything from her biology to her magic, as magic interacted differently between the sexes. This tattoo didnt need to be refreshed or anything, it was simply there as a runic representation of the spell used to keep it active as very few spells would be permanent without it being etched into the thing it is being cast on.
I already feel like in just explaining one trans character very loosely ive gone more into the magic system than HGS did in its entire season.
I think I can say something on this seeing that I'm a trans guy myself. I hate how they handle being trans in this show. "Oh, JuSt DrInK tIsH mAgIc HRT aNd YoUlL bE aLl GoOd" I mean I doesn't work like that irl and it shouldnt be that easy in the show. Plus I feel like the teacher guy's only reason for being in the show is to be trans and I hate that. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk :)
In a fantasy world where transformation Magic happens, no one would be Trans. They'd be the Sex they want to be. Even if the want to change on a daily basis.
I feel like a trans character would work better if there was just better world building. Like as far as we know magic can raise the dead, if there were more specific limits or restrictions it would make a lot more sense. Maybe transformation magic doesn't work well on humans, maybe you have to make the potions yourself, we don't know because there’s no real magic system that would allude to that. Not to mention the specifics of him being trans shouldn't even need to be explained, just a simple "oh yeah I've changed a lot since then Rosemary" with the photo album and move on.
@@regrettispaghetti2517 The problem is that in a violent society, where magic and monsters are viable threat, identity/sexuality issues would take a back seat to survival. Hell, the Tumblrina trans trend that this show is trying to push wouldn't be a thing. Gender Dysphoria. the REAL kind is a physical and often PAINFUL affliction, where the body's hormones are actively fighting itself. It's not pleasant, it's not nice, and it's not some thing that you CHOOSE, like Caraway seems to want to imply. And transformation magic would resolve that problem right quick anyway.
Which brings up ANOTHER problem this show has, are they now saying that being GLBT is somehow a CHOICE now? Are they flipflopping on that yet AGAIN? Make up your mind "Progressives".
What exactly is the problem with cures being easier in a world that contains magic? if anything, magic is the best excuse to have a physically and mentally healthy populace.
Honestly I agree, like I the surgeries for transitioning are expensive and once you proceed with it, there's no going back so it makes the entire process quite a big deal. In HGS if regret changing your gender then you can just turn back.
This just feels like a high schoolers first fantasy story...with current topics sprinkled in. Like the biggest thing is the whole trans topics they like to bring in, it had MULTIPLE ways of being portrayed with more subtlety than the infamous "haha I'm transgender" line. They could've said shit like "I use transformation or illusion magic to be my true self and it took many years keep up for long stretches of time" just anything more than literally saying it plain as day and using the exact same process as real life for transitioning. This is supposed to be fantasy and I feel like I'm watching a parody at this point with how much the concept is lost like the sea monster is literally a robot and not just a summon????
Another issue I have is when all straight male characters are treated as if they're the scum of the earth because the team is really only favoring men who transitioned or want to be trans. As if no straight guy can be complex and have issues as well to tie into whatever fucking themes they wanted to present - but at this point it's just too much of a projection of the creator and it just comes off as a sorry attempt that shouldn't have even been close to the word anime with how childish everything feels let alone looks.
Because the writer actually wrote this story in high or middle school.
The Snapdragon/Sage thing kinda rubs me the wrong way, sure they were friends and I don't want to say at all that you can't forgive and forget someone obviously, but the way that before Sage had said that stuff about how he couldn't understand girl friendships and now that he looks more feminine she's giving him a little flustered compliment and he's going along with her. I would forgive someone saying something like that but I don't think I could be attracted to them after, especially when it comes to whatever they mentioned. A lighter version is in a lot of romcoms that usually revolves around someone being good or bad at an activity because of their gender, which also feels superficial but it's used as a way to impress and catch the main character's eye. Here, that's a quite personal and deep cut. Saying you aren't able to understand something normal unless you were X and then only being validated when you consider being or look like X is really hurtful and possibly harmful to others watching.
I also mentioned this in another reply but the decision to make Snapdragon trans in context feels wrong and forced, telling him he basically can't feel ok or do anything good in world and in writing unless he's female or at the very least "not male".
42:16 And this entire line if commentary nails it exactly. When Carroway first revealed beings transgender, my verbatim response was "he's not transgender, he's transsexual." Because this is not the real world of plastic surgery, hormones, and vocal training to take on the outward appearance of being the opposite sex. This is a world of fantasy where you fully and completely transform into the opposite sex. Pretending these are the same is futile because they obviously are not, and this fact obliterates all possible weight from this contrived conflict.
The problem with Thyme's conflict is that we saw her be mad only at her mom for taking her out of the Fairy Woods, but ultimately the mom did nothing wrong; the trees were being corrupted by the Rot, food was becoming scarce, and they had no solution for stopping it, *both* of the parents decided the best thing they could do in that situation is to send their daughter (who couldn't do anything if she'd stayed) to another kingdom for her well-being. Thyme isn't being fair to their perspective, especially her mom's.
Honestly, if they treat that like a character flaw, it could make for some good character development. She would have to realize that she couldn't have done anything if she stayed and become a better person because of it.
@@cingkrayz1959 Adding to that, have her be mad at both of her parents and have another character call out her unfair attitude
@@KelShu that's actually a great idea! This show has so much potential that it's just squandering. Are you planning on starting your own series or show or something of the like. I think you could write some great stories if you wanted to, you seem to have a good grasp of character building.
@@cingkrayz1959 Thank you
I want to add something to the "for her wellbeing" line. It was good for her own wellbeing and the forest wellbeing as well. Many send a person out into the world to get an insight of how to help that is different to what they know. The fact she's being stubborn has kept her close minded and should have honestly been something mentioned by her mother if the writers could think.
Edit: also the well should have dried up after aging the Dragon so there would be actual stakes of losing the healing water.
Missed potential with Witch Country is how odd it is that it's such a fancy place and we have no clue why Sage and her family even lived there if it seems so backwards to what her family is like. Wouldn't it be like an Amish family who enjoys that lifestyle moving into the most technologically advanced city in the world knowing full-well that that is what it will be like but not wanting to adapt to it? It just doesn't make sense as-is.
She said they lived in the rural area
I also just have to add that I hate the "Fall Processional" idea. It perfectly highlights the lack of creativity in this show. You have a magic fantasy world's version of Halloween and what do you do with it? Nothing. You just make it Halloween with another name. It also makes no sense for Cal to go off on Snapdragon here. Everyone is in costume, so it feels forced that Cal would think a costume is "messed up". That scene should have had Cal walking in on Snapdragon dressing as a girl in his dorm, where it he couldn't brush it off as just a costume. Just more of that "first draft script" writing that plagues this show.
Caraway could've been a very nuanced character. I think Caraway should have started pressuring Snap to confront her dysphoria. Maybe it gets to a point where one of the other professors or Amaryllis confronts him about it and Caraway admits it's because Snap is showing the EXACT same signs he did when he was her age, and just wants to help Snap avoid going through the same pain he did by just ripping off the bandaid, so to speak.
Maybe this could end with them forming a genuine bond where Caraway backs off and realizes that he has to respect Snap's boundaries and let her go on her own journey, even if it will be a bit painful
I find it very strange that the writers had the gall to include technology like a highly advanced robot, in the SAME episode, that they show them using brooms on boats as an replacement for a motor. Like...what?! How is the worldbuilding, THIS bad that they introduce something, once, and never show any inkling of something similar again? Especially something as groundbreaking as a controllable robotic monster! We've seen that there's some technology in certain places, like that trolley or train; but that compared to a mecha squid monster is a HUGE leap in tech!
Just because this is a fantasy world where magic exists, doesn't mean they can't have modern technology; oh wait, I guess it can, because that would contrast their "Old" and "New" Magic issue wouldn't it? At that point, who would care about Magic when you have technology so advance they can create their own monsters? People would be running around with cellular phones, watching television; there would hardly be any need for magic. It would've been far more interesting to see how the development of high technology was viewed against those who wished to keep the "Old" magic, and that Magic was at odds with people who saw it as outdated; maybe even have "New" magic be based off technology advancing? I don't know, but it would be far more compelling of an issue compared to what we keep getting.
This show man, it has so many problems excluding their poor representation and inclusion of the LGTBQ+ nonsense; I don't even care about that, it's more of an annoying knat buzzing around, than most of the other eyesores this show has in it.
To answer your opening statement about the sudden popularity, at least from my perspective outside of the magic of the algorithm, well you're genuine, humble, and demonstrably human. So yeah. Looking forward to more commentary and analysis from you.
You humble me. I was surprised since I saw a lot of HGS videos get little traction, I know it's a hot topic and was expecting to go under the radar lol
Bless the Algorithm!
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I am more concerned about the fact that a literal school student has the magic power to injure a dragon so severely that it cannot be healed.
Is Sage just extremely powerful? Is the dragon extremely weak?
They could have made it that the rocks fell on the dragon and injured it in the process. It would solve the issue with the mermaid just standing there and Sage being a Dragonslayer in making.
And yeah, injured and sick sea animals beach themselves when they die because they cannot fight against the current and the waves anymore. It applies to deep sea animals even.
I didn't think about that. Is Sage's power really that strong or are terraspheres that strong. If that's the case why aren't people killing each other on a frequent basis. Either way it's a very sloppy scene that only adds more questions.
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In that case why do Guardians exist in the first place if an inexperienced (old-magic oriented no less) kid with a Terrasphere can end a dragon within seconds with a single spell.
Why wouldn’t she use that spell against Mandrake then?
So many questions.
The part about the scene between Caraway and Snapdragon was good. I agree with all of your points and they’re thought out. Just a quick note since you mentioned this, kids can’t and aren’t allowed to medically transition and other trans people agree that they shouldn’t transition so early either. The most a trans kid can do is dress the way that feels most comfortable to them and use a different name and pronouns. And when they get close to puberty, they only have the option to use puberty blockers to delay puberty and will let them decide later as an adult if they really do want to medically transition or go through puberty normally by just not taking puberty blockers. So yeah, kids won’t be pushed into medically transitioning, and they’re allowed to figure things out later as an adult.
Thanks for teaching me more on the subject, I particularly don't agree with the puberty blockers but I'll take a moment to educate myself first before jumping to conclusions. Regardless I know more on the subject so thank you, thank you!
@@trumann5975 Glad you’re willing to learn. Well, I guess I wonder what’s not to agree about puberty blockers. Intersex people have used it as well and it has existed for a while. It’s like a pause button. You pause puberty until you you’re an adult and then you can decide to medically transition or just go through normal puberty by stopping puberty blockers. Puberty blockers are reversible, and for someone who is a trans man they can take puberty blockers and not have to do top surgery as an adult and save money and experience less dysphoria. Puberty can be an awful and dysphoric experience for trans people and simply delaying it until they’re an adult and can make decisions regarding that helps them actually figure things out. But I’m happy to answer questions if you want
You could say I feel like they're just too young, I'm surrounded by youths of all ages at work. I believe the person is more than just the sex they're born into. I worry about the stress that could be dealt, I just recall to my students. I've had boys in my classes who wear nail polish or girls who like more boyish hairstyles and they seem happy. I just believe they need to develop as a person first before anything else. But I can at least empathize that it could be world shattering going through issues I know nothing about first hand.
@@trumann5975 Yeah, that makes sense. That’s why a lot of decisions are made when they’re older. Puberty is hard to reverse, so puberty blockers, which are completely reversible, allows them to wait until adulthood to make serious decisions about their body. Girls can be more masculine and still be girls and boys can be feminine and still be boys, and I’ve met a variety of different people who didn’t necessarily fit gender roles when I was in school and were happy too. But of course, we won’t know about their gender and how they feel more than themselves. They’re allowed to figure themselves out and giving them extra time and explaining to them the possibilities and complexities of gender helps them be less confused and not jump into wrong decisions or be misinformed. If they have any doubts about who are, they can always talk to a doctor or therapist, and from there, doctors and therapist can help them figure things out. If they’re too young to really confirm if they’re trans, then they’re also too young to really confirm if they’re cis too. Nothing permanent will be done to kids or teens and they have all the time they need to explore and be themselves. Nice talking with you.
Just wanted to let you know I've cut out the portion of me being misinformed. Thanks for helping me improve my content!
While there is no lack of people making extensively detailed videos about bad series and movies, I've not seen many go into the absolute "Scene-by-Scene" detail you do and delve into everything about it.
I could certainly watch more series done in a way like this one. Nowadays you're at no lack for those, thats for sure . . .
Thanks I thought it was important to show the scenes I wanted to talk about instead of trying to rush my points in a 30 minute video. The context matters to the opinion I state.
That is an interesting idea they could have used, that since new magic is so much easier to access and so much more powerful, it means that bad people can also easily use it for their own ends.
Quick note on Snapdragon breaking his wrist punching somebody: It's not unbelievable because he is swinging around that huge axe, it's unbelievable because that's...how the eff do you grow up in a family of manly-men who punch each other as a bonding activity and then go to school to learn how to be a guardian (as a fighter!) without learning how to throw a punch properly? Because you can break your wrist--if your form absolutely, completely, and totally sucks. Also, it means your form is absolutely and completely trash.
But hey, every here has trash form. My main martial arts training is actually in swordsmanship. I don't even know how anybody but a rank n00b manages to lose their grip on their sword like Rose did, and I've been around for running rank n00bs through the initial drills. We actually made 'em earn using anything beyond fingers-and-imagination, because of the simple fact that if you eff up with live steel or even most of what we'd use for practice, you can accidentally maim and even kill people. It was a huge part of why we used protective equipment, even when we were using blunted swords (which is usual with practice rapiers) or wooden weapons.
Rose would have had the whole "LET'S SWING LIVE STEEL AROUND PEOPLE FOR LULZ!" thing beaten out of her years ago. Literally, if necessary, because I cannot emphasize this enough--you swing live steel around like that, you are threatening the lives of everybody who is within at least your sword's length, and more likely just in your general proximity. Your sword is not a TOY, and somebody who doesn't respect live steel can't be trusted with it. (And it doesn't have to be sharp to be live steel--what decides if it's live steel is simply if it is possible TO sharpen it. If you're in doubt about what you're considering swinging around in public? Unless it's obviously not metal, DON'T.)
Don’t y’all love a world where feminine men are told they’re either a girl or suck? I do (please note my sarcasm). But it’s insane! Why couldn’t he be a fem guy or maybe gay/bi to show that you can be a man and still be girly. And COMFORTABLE that way! Ughhhh we don’t have enough characters who embody that
Immortality isn't the shows only problem. The 3 teachers are obviously 3 points in her timeline. So they have time travel. Old lady version tell us how to resolve the poisoning of the roots. Second Sage's magic can be shut off by her letting go. Uh... why didn't she just drop the staff than. Aren't they at a school to teach them things. Teaching them to let go of your staff would be on the list. It be like a weapon school not teaching you how to put the safety on. Again, other examples of the show not caring at what they introduce us in this world. I also love Caraway. He could suspend Snapdragon, but Parsley who broke someone's foot, nope doesn't risk getting expelled.
The headmistresses are unlikely meant to be taken as a time traveler, they're reference to the neopagan Triple Goddess; she's a triunity, three aspects of one divine being each representing a stage of a woman's life, as well as the lunar cycle and the heavens/earth/underworld; the Maiden, the Mother, and the Crone. It wouldn't mean the Crone is literally from the future; she represents wisdom (not the same as omniscience), repose, death, and endings. The imagery doesn't mean anything because the show doesn't do anything with it other than indicate one of the writers probably thinks Wicca or some other neopagan practice is neat.
This trinity image is found all across ancient mythos. The Norns, the Moirai, the Charites, the Horae (ancient Hellenistic reckoning only had three seasons), etc. Some goddesses were also worshiped as triunities (ex Diana as huntress, Diana as the moon, Diana of the underworld; or Hera as the Girl, The Woman, the Widow), Hecate being the earliest known example.
@@gtf234 Woah that's pretty cool!
@@gtf234 Well, since the show gives no explanation to things like this. Your explanation than basically means she's the most powerful. Being able to have 3 versions of yourself active. Too bad she's always missing when something goes down.
@@rangerreview1780 They're unlikely meant to be a literal god, it's just visual imagery they used but serves no purpose to the world building or character development- reference for the sake of it; like having a red bearded man with a hammer as the fantasy world's thunder god when nothing else is particularly Germanic themed. As far as we know, they could just be 3 women, who are probably related (ex daughter, mother, grandmother), that run the academy and frankly they didn't provide anything to indicate more than that.
The fact the faculty are all immortal also just doesn't serve any purpose- they're not shown to be competent (having fallen into every one of the villains' traps in these last episodes), so it's not like it lets them provide a sense of safety within the school. Contrast with the early books of Harry Potter, where much of the wacky danger was framed as being relatively illusory as the teachers are actually in control of the situations even if it wasn't communicated to the students.
Oooo new content I needed something to listen to while I write my own book
Good luck on writing!
@@trumann5975 thanks I'm using high guardian spice as an example to help show me what not to do in hopes of writing a better book it's going pretty good so far
That's a great plan, I'm doing that too! HGS really teaches well what you shouldn't do when writing a story lmao, it's the only positive part about the whole show
You have really good insights when it comes to why something badly written doesn’t work. That could be the focus of your channel. Also love the way you show clips on the TV background set up.
I’m probably just grabbing at straws but I get Mew vibes from the lil Unicorn-seahorse. The eye style/color + pink? Being cute but also mischievous?
Again could just be me grabbing at nothing. Good analysis!
Virgin HGS VS CHAD YURI ON ICE
One thing to remark upon about Snapdragon. By the series' own rules, best I can tell, there is no reason to not fiddle with transition magic because if one were to do that in this setting and not be into it, then they could presumably just walk out. Haven't watched this in full so I don't know if Carroway ever said "By the way if I miss a dose it goes right to my thighs and then I blow up." or something, but the thing about real-world transitions is that you can't really back out once done is done. Best I understand the narrative is putting too much weight on the matter when the world presented lacks the limitations that cause that weight to be applicable to reality, which is probably a symptom of projecting reality into a fantasy that runs on fundamentally different rules.
Someone commented something similar. They already shot themselves in the foot with magic. New magic has little bounds so a permanent transformation should be possible and as Amaryllis stated "all magic can be reversed." So why wouldn't the spell be permanent and allow for switching whenever the user wanted. There's no real thought put into the script at all that such a hole exist.
Am I the only one who likes Snapdragon's father? He seems cool and he never said anything about warriors having to be stereotypical masculine and have an awesome beard. Snapdragon just comes off as a complete idiot.
Interesting Detail about HGS I want to bring up.
If anyone here has seen or heard about LIttle Witch Academia, they know that when it was airing on chruncyroll it was their golden goose. Their beloved show that was practically the REASON to have it and while it has it's flaws it was overall solid and enjoyable and very popular to a degree. However the creators didn't want to do a season 2 for their own reasons despite CR badly wanting one. It was clear they wanted to keep the money flow that Little witch academia gave them going and keep the fanbase and fandom of it around.
Shortly after LWA ended, High guardian spice was announced. And when you compare the two, you can see a good number of similairites. I bring this up beacuse looking at the script, the concepts and ideas of HGS it's...Strange it even got approved to get made. As it's very barebones alongside it's many other issues. And it seems hte creator had pitched it to multiple stuido's before but all said 'No'. But CR said yes.
I leave it up to you to do with that thougth as you wish.
thing is, this show was made in inspiration in modern lore driven cartoons, but it tried too much to be big and more than it is, if you watch closely, almost none of them began really serious, adventure time grew up with the audience, and began as a silly kid doing stuff with his silly elastic dog. another example is steven universe, it didn't began as a really serious cartoon with REALLY heavy themes, it began with an annoying kid doing things with his three alien-precious-stones-mothers. and high guardian spice had the same idea as the owl house, begin the cartoon with lore, but thing is, the owl house creators already had experience making cartoons heavy in lore, high guardian spice had a crew of unexperienced people and a plot that was made by a kid that took it too seriously.
Maybe I'm bies towards the villains but I think Olive is the must entertening character in the show (grented that doesn't say much)
I think is because she had the most decent animation, her fighting scenes were good just wish they kept her as a Villain
41:40 and this is how child predators works.
In the second season Snapdragon iz invited in the professor´s "parties"
I "love" how the same people who keeps claiming how much LGBT-friendly and how much representative their shows are, are the ones who keep reforcing harmful stereotypes about LGBT people on their works.
It's kind of ironic that the writer began thinking of this concept of a show while still identifying as a girl, so she (at the time) dreamed of a magical girl story to tell. But clearly now as an adult wanted to tell a story about transgender characters. You can tell because the most interesting characters with the most character-building are both trans. The story would have been better suited as a story centering on snap's struggles internally with his gender and place in the world alongside some form of external conflict i.e. better-written villains or something to keep the plot moving instead of whatever it is driving this show, hell as far as I know his mom isn't mentioned in the show so she could easily have been the MC's mom. The show has no central theme either, or at least none that I could discern. This is an easy mistake to make in amateur writing because, in a good story, there is always an overarching story theme that resonates in every character from one angle or another, like the theme of "revealing yourself to others, and the difficulty of that" in Fruits Basket or the theme of "don't let others walk all over you, stand up for yourself and others" in Tokyo Ghoul.
i agree but i feel the need to point out that even when youre referring to trans people in past tense, use their current pronouns :))
Unrelated but you're so humble, love the video and thought it was amazing quality. I was surprised to see that you were still a small channel. Hope your channel gets more love that it deserves, thanks :)
Thank you, thank you!
35:57 it’s creepy to me how the second snap told cal what was wrong cal went straight to transition magic. Like what the heck- imagine being a Young impressionable kid and someone you look up to tells you that since you like “girly” things you might be one. That’s just so creepy to me. I’m pretty sure there’s a lot more to it then liking things girls do. Also it just feels so forced. I did not think snap was gunna be trans. I just thought he was a guy who liked feminine things. And I related to that. But nope. He’s nice so he can’t be a guy. That brakes the rules of the show. And always remember if you’re a guy and you like girly things. You must be one. But if a girl likes traditionally masculine things that’s to be praised and seen as girl power. Like what the heck bro-
seeing all these people able to critique, analyze, and improve on high guardian spice I kind of... wish I could get some of it but at the same time as a solo web novelist, I worry about how it would be seen since well... I'm solo XD I don't even have a team.
Where do you post your work? The title?
I'll look over it if I have the time and leave a comment, if it's interesting enough I'll make a video.
I think we should rewrite HGS as a community
Am I the only one who realized that the voice actor for the PE Teacher sound like the same as Tyme's father... either the voice direction is lazy or they thought that no one would notice that they're the same voice actor.. I also find it weird that the dark skin adult males have the same way of voice acting soooo.. big oof.
Don't know what to say, but here's a comment to boost the algorithm!
Not all heroes wear capes! Thanks!
I feel like the worst kinds of shows were missed opportunities, they could’ve had something special if they put more time into the actual writing instead of the “message” and less writer projecting. That’s 90% of the issue, even then the message itself isn’t clear besides “cis man evil and bad”. Also if every character wasn’t some sort of writer wish fulfillment fantasy then the plot would move forward and we’d have a coherent series.
The fact that you created this channel JUST to rip HGS to shreds and are now 2.5K subs in is beyond hilarious to me. Props
There's some real tonal whiplash from that scene with the dragon to that Snapdragon crying one.
Like, did it seriously go from, "We're sad we put down a living being," to "BooHoo! My wrist hurts!" That wasn't just editing, right?
It's such disjointed storytelling. They have a limited amount of time for each episode, and yet they consistently chose to fill every episode with so much fluff, they end up ultimately accomplishing nothing pretty much every single time. You don't need to take classes on writing to know that each episode needs to have focus.
Honestly, introduction trans characters in first season - is bad idea, espessially when YOUR WORLD HAS NO MYSOGINY. There is literally 0 gender steriotypes (one standart-ass bully and father-bully is really weak reason). They need more time for showing how cruel their world can be. Or maybe about some old world rules that still somebody use or a place where they still works (Snapdragons father - is weak example). But no.
Like, Rosemary's mother is FREAKIN WARRIOR and father is BAKER by standarts of our world this is kinda wrong. Also, rulers of the academy is bunch of womans.
And transition magic. This is just another level of how much creator just want a perfect world but use some pure exuse for make it "a rare thng because of that", There is no basically reasons why Snapdragon just cant transform himself into some androginos man.
But, they forgot how muscles works apperently or they are super humans that can be powerful without them. Idk this fantasy world is WEAK and has really confusing rules.
Eh, introducing a trans character within the first season isn't bad, what's bad is making a huge deal of it.
To paraphrase some immortal wisdom: "Being trans isn't a personality trait."
Not having gender stereotypes or transphobia doesn't mean that world can't have trans people, it just means that being trans shouldn't be an issue in that world, anymore than someone's hair color. ESPECIALLY with actually well-done worldbuilding (which this show doesn't have).
This whole show is a mess and seeing people try to make it work looks like trying to keep the Titanic from sinking with duct tape.
More like this show is about Misandry.
@@neoqwerty Internet makes this a personality trait and even more - give people a greatest reason to bully each other because somebody call that person a man instead of non binary. Sheesh. Also, you dont get the point.
They choose to seat on "they bully him and this is why he is want to be trans". You eather show just a happy trans in world where is mysoginy isnt a thing or a hard way to accept themself in cruel world.
Not all at once.
And you implying that because this show is bad i cant voice my opinion?
Jesus Christ this is dumb point. And you really should read before post your commentary.
You know what? I think I know what the writers were thinking. It feels like they're some of those people who think Steven universe was made for adults
It was made for others like themselves, no one else.
I felt like Snapdragon should go through self discovery of learning to be comfortable with himself, and learn that he could be a boy, and be “beautiful” with the transgender teacher helping him come to that choice. Also why couldn’t that call “transformation magic” transfiguration. All that trans mean is to change from one thing to another, something that was part of the normal teaching in Harry Potter. Oh wait the Harry Potter books are actually good.
As much as I don't mind lgbt+ this show definitely showed too much about gay couple and trans like don't get me wrong I don't mind if there are some lgbt+ relationship in this series but they can't even afford themselves to add a character that is at least binary and cishetero? They can't even afford themselves to have a character who are bi that leans towards their opposite genders. The fact they talk big about diversity on this show is baffling as hell. Like does a bit of straight relationship hurts them that much that they literally stereotype all straight men as asshole? Like personally as much as straight guy I am that doesn't prevent me to not liking girls who are bi,pan or even trans(male to female). If the writers truly wanting to show diversity then the last thing they could to is to NOT exclude every single people regardless of gender identity, genders and sexuality including belief. In matter of fact they can just give a pure equality aspect in the show which mind you I see nothing of sorts. All I see from this show is extreme political viewpoints, extreme sexism and above all inequality towards any people who are outside of lgbt+.
I feel the need to toss this in here as this was something I realized recently. When I first started writing, my very first project ever was a Mashup of high fantasy adventure and slice of life magic school...basically what HGS is. It wasn't remotely good and in hindsight of reviewing my own first drafts, it's immensely jarring to go from school bullshit to fantasy combat situations. I've since moved on to other projects and that one has long since been scrapped, but I thought it was interesting that HGS is basically where I started and is probably what would have happened if I hadn't realized it was a terrible idea
It's possible that transformation magic always reverts after a month or so. Nothing in the show really indicates that once something is transformed that it permanently remains in its magically altered state, does it? Yes, they did have to use magic to turn NeppyCat back the first time, but that's because they wanted it done right away. Maybe he would have reverted on his own but it would have taken weeks.
I just realized that it would've made more sense if Aster took Cal's role. That way, you wouldn't have to introduce yet another sexist jerk character.
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I would assume the silhouette fight animation was inspired by Sayaka's fight against Elsa Maria, in Puella Magi Madoka Magica.
The sort of scene shows up often in other shows, especially old samurai flicks in which you see the protagonist fighting a bunch of goons through a screen wall. However, if you are looking for magical girl anime that might be the direct inspiration for a silhouette fight, PMMM is the likely source.
(It's a good show, if you haven't seen it before.)
I should mention there is another parallel to the show, in that it has a rival magical girl character wielding a spear-like weapon fighting the aforementioned Sayaka, who uses a sword. Not the same scene as the Elsa Maria one, but it is something to note.
I'm quite a fan of Madoka, execution in comparison of the two shows are leagues apart.
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IMO this kinda way of explaining something can still work in a show with an adult demographic.
It just needs to be there as a way of expressing the inner childishness/optimism of the character who's explaining it.
Technically it's for teens, but one good example is Rukia in Bleach, where she'll draw cute diagrams to help explain things to Ichigo.
31:26 nice use of violence
Since mermaids exists in this world. Was Snapdragon technically doing a 'black face' when he was wearing a mermaid costume?
What? How does that work???
Oml 🤣
That's alot of mental gymnastics you need to be spend to come up with that sort of thing.
You know what? This would be, unironically, be a nice aspect for worldbuilding.
@@josteinhenrique2779 And it's a damn shame the writer's couldn't think of it first