You omitted that the primarily reasons for the demise of the railroad on the west side of Manhattan were (a.) with the coming of container ships, cargo was no longer being handled at the piers on the west side, (b.) with improved refrigeration, fresh meat no longer had to come from the meat packing district, and (c.) the lower Manhattan produce market was removed to Hunts Point in the Bronx to make room for the World Trade Center.
It ought to be mentioned, though, that rail freight in general, world-wide, has changed dramatically in the last half century. The three points you mentioned happened in different incarnations elsewhere. General cargo got generally transported in trucks, manufacturing moved out of city centres because of rising property prices, and coal transport largely fell away. In Europe, the market is largely liberalised, with operators from all over the continent pulling trains that consist almost exclusively of containers, (petro)chemicals, grain, or still coal. Passenger traffic hasn't decreased so much, but elevated railways have moved underground.
@Sean Embry You're absolutely right. At the risk of bringing politics into this, I believe that the European situation is far better for competition and as such, the consumer. As a CEO explained at a company where I worked and that, for a number of years, had a monopoly, it's the best business model you can have. But even though the access rights are different, the small scale movement of goods that existed until about the 1960s, has completely vanished. In that sense, there are a lot of similarities between the continents. One notable difference is that European harbours see more (container) traffic than the US ones, and because of the many rivers, and because you can sail around most of the continent, a lot more trade happens over the water than over rails.
@Sean Embry It's pretty much the same everywhere in Europe. I haven't been to the UK much, and I certainly don't go trainspotting there. But I like to watch train travelogues, and like in the USA, everything is either bulk or container.
You failed to make a constructive comment with your opening verbiage. You chose to word your comment in quite a rude way. May I suggest you take an etiquette class?
@@iJoshDG I'm not sure whether your comment is directed at me, or at one of the others who replied to my comment. Rest assured, though, that based upon your recommendation, I'm going to immediately enroll at ettikit school.
There are so many parts of our cities that are lost, built over, it's nice for a change to see one that is not only preserved but turned into something wonderful for the local community
The High Line was not a passenger route. Though as your pictures show there was an occasional passenger train. These were charter excursions for railfans. The main reason for the demise of the High Line as a freight route was the loss of that freight as shippers and receivers moved to New Jersey, The Bronx or went out of business. The New York Central, and its successors, Penn Central, Conrail, and CSX hung on to the property as its real estate value became of great value. Eventually it was sold for the value.
I do wonder if keeping this as a freight line, and keeping warehouses in the area would have helped with the rise of online shopping and the streets being choked with freight traffic from all the deliveries. Instead more streets throughout the city could have been made complete streets safe for pedestrians, and the highline could have kept freight grade separated from pedestrians as much as possible.
@@GetDougDimmadomed While logistically it makes sense, Trains are also incredibly loud. It would certainly be hard to justify the rail usage in the heart of Manhattan. Plus the line would have to be electrified which no major freight carrier in the US has experience with or locomotives to use for it.
The people with their noses way up in the air paying $1 million for the little room in the basement next to the boiler would withhold their “political contributions “ and that would be the end of that
I have walked this area several times. It is by far one of the most beautiful urban gardens and pedestrian walkways in NYC. If you haven't been you are missing out.
Years before the High Line Park was even conceived, I visited Paris and while there I came across a park that had been built on the remains of a rail trestle that ran from the long closed Gare d' Orsay rail station. The rail station is known today as the Musee d'Orsay, a museum featuring classic and modern paintings. The park stretches out from the museum, through Left Bank neighborhoods and terminates, I believe, at the River Seine. I have long thought this converted park inspired the decision to convert the old High Line in New York. Regardless, the High Line Park is one of the top attractions in Manhattan. The crowds you see in the video are typical. Great feature, Ryan.
I visited the High Line in 2010 and it was such an inspiring experience. We brought food from Chelsea Market and ate our lunch looking out over the west side. At the time we could see where it would be expanded but I haven't been back since. I'm glad to see the expansions have been completed and new sections opened up. I hope to return soon.
I was there just over a week ago. The 34th St Yard (Hudson Yard) and an entrance on 34th seemed to be getting some work done. And *lots* of people on it. Interesting on rail traffic as I thought last NYC train had been in the 60's. The 70's makes more sense as it seems certain it would have been demolished if NYC stopped using it in the 60's.
@@fjkelley4774 Great point! The 60s were all about destruction. After Penn Station and the highway revolts of the 70s they started to seriously look at preservation.
It should be noted that the lower west side of Manhattan was not a major office or residential center but full of factories and warehouses and it was also alongside the Hudson River piers where ocean going freight ships were docked and unloaded and reloaded. This was the age of break bulk cargo ships that were serviced by shipboard cranes that served the cargo holds, not the container vessels we see today. Most all of these piers are gone or found other uses. Manhattan is no longer a port city. The sixties saw the development of the world trade center and the area changed from industrial to offices and added a lot of housing units as well. Some of these neighborhoods have become quite upscale. The area also saw the demise of the West Shore highway that carried vehicle traffic down as far as the battery at the south end of Manhattan, the closure of this route meant that cars and trucks had to use the Avenues with traffic lights on each cross street, this of course accelerated the movement out of the area of industrial facilities as well. The decline of the NYCentral RR, later merged into PennCentral was also a factor in the decline of the high line.
Conrail never went below the 33rd(?) St yard, as far as I know. Penn Central at some point embargoed the line, I think. PC got away with an uncontested embargo as there were no customers left on the line PC was in bankruptcy, and the unions had other legal fights.
On the Lower East Side, there is also an underground trolley terminal, formerly known as the Delancey Underground, which was to be converted into a subterranean park called "The Lowline." The plans are stunning and innovative. Although the project was scheduled to open in 2020, it has not yet been completed due to lack of funding. Not sure of the current status, but would be an interesting dive.
It's still abandoned. Never took off. Thiers a subway station next too it for the w train that sits next too it and you can see the site. Nothing has been done
The real cause of the ban on steam locomotives in Manhattan can be traced back to the Park Ave. Tunnel crash of 1902, when the smoke from the locomotive made signals impossible to see, and an express from White Plains plowed into the rear of a local commuter train at 56th street. 15 people died instantly, while dozens more were injured badly.
Around 1979 or '80 I was in college in the East Village. On a fine, early-Spring day a few of my classmates and I wandered over to the West Side and saw the High Line. "Who left this here?" We were able to get up to track level via a stair tower near Little West 12th St. and a "lock that ain't locked when no-one's around." We walked the length of the structure to it's end barriers...then walked back because there was no other way down. It was a great experience to walk that area a couple of stories up, above the traffic, and look out over the neighborhoods. I went back after the first rehabilitated segment was opened, then again for each new section. My hat's off to the architects and other planners who designed the linear park, they did a top-shelf job. I was happy to see that they'd left a lot of the old trackage in place as a reminder of where the High Line came from and "who left it there."
The High Line is lovely to walk. You can almost feel what it was like moving by train up there. I also love that one of the buildings on Washington Street has the gap from where the High Line passed through it.
I would love to see #IT'SHISTORY tackle an old elevated structure that once stood 2 blocks west of the High Line.... the old Miller Highway. We know it today as the original West Side Highway. The reason for its construction, and reason for its eventual demolition, would make a great addition to your video collection!❤
Yes hunts point market opened in 1967 in the Bronx cars could be directly received into the facility by rail no more car floating produce cars from nj the west side piers shutdown because they didn’t have the land to accommodate containers trucks got bigger and faster and ran on an improved highway system and New York City and state have never been business friendly with their high taxes and assinine regulations nabisco left nyc in 1959 a major New York central customer
In clip 4:10 a New York Central Railroad’s DES-3 class boxcab locomotive emerges from the Merchants Refrigerating Company Warehouse (built 1918) and onto the to the siding that connected to the main line. These locomotives received power from 600 volts DC and could generate electric power with diesel engines when the units were on trackage without third rail. The power from third rail ceased in the 1950’s and conventional diesel switchers were then assigned the work. The warehouse provided storage for perishables including meats, dairy, fruits, and vegetables. The High Line also served the St. John’s Terminal (1934) and Bell Laboratories (1898). All three facilities still exist with the terminal being extensively redeveloped as part of Google's new campus.
There is a segment of abandoned elevated rail line in Philadelphia, that used to lead into the old Reading Terminal (since converted to a convention center / farmer's market). I believe they are looking at converting that into a similar linear park.
Lovely video. In the small city of Den Bosch in the Netherlands, they build a parkbridge for pedestrians over the railway, that was inspired by a section of the NY highline. I live near there. It's nice to see the history of the original!
The highline is such an important park and tourist destination for Manhattan now, it’s amazing how a park on train tracks has sped up the gentrification of that area.
Great video. I worked and went to school around the corner from the Highline for over twenty years since the late 70s. I remember seeing a NY Central train or two riding those tracks in Westbeth. The new park gave vitality to that area!!! BTW, National Buscuit Company = NABISCO.
I visited NY a few years ago and the Highline was one of my favourite places to visit. Aside from being a beautiful elevated park, it was one of the few places you could walk at a comfortable pace, away from the frantic pace at street level.
Walked the park last time I've been to NYC. It's a very nice looking park which clearly shows where it originates from. One of the nicest modern urban parks I've seen!
There's a lot of underground subway tunnels in New York City from the original subway to the plans of having the subway cross over the George Washington Bridge into New Jersey.. Would love to hear what you find out about them and maybe where they're in future plans with the NYC Subways..
Queenway wants to do the same thing. But this was a passenger rail route and passenger rail advocates are fighting to restore service. Home owners are fighting both plans even though this is railroad right of way. Restoring this line can potentially tie Rockaways to Central Queens, which is Queens Blvd.
My father worked for Eastern Meats On 14th Street and the High Line came into the building. I still remember the Meat being unloaded. The High Line always held a special interest. My only regret is that I now live in NC and never walked it.
I visited High Line or 10th Ave. Elevated Line in September 2011. I believe there was a lot of meat packing done in close proximity to the High Line if I am not mistaken. Elevating RR rights-of-way was one of the greatest engineering feats of the last 125 years in Chicago. Chicago was/is rail transportation hub of the nation and the amount of carnage and traffic congestion was just too much to deal with so in the late 19th or early 20th century Chicago passed an ordinance requiring all railroad tracks within the city limits to be elevated and separated from ground level. It would be great if you did a video on Chicago raising the railroad rights-of-way.
It is by the meat packing district but most of the meat packers have been forced out due to high realestate prices and the expense of operating a refrigerated warehouse in Manhattan. Just a handful of meat wholesalers left.
Syracuse did the same in the 1930's with the Delaware Lackawanna and Western plus the NYC Main line. Eventually the NYC RR diverted its operations to a former freight only line and the line downtown became part of Interstate 690.
The meat-packing district is now super premium lofts and restaurants for the hoity-toity. ''The Meatpacking District is one of Manhattan's most glamorous neighborhoods. The area has come a long way from its slaughterhouse origins, transforming into a luxury destination filled with clubs, stylish restaurants and several of the City's trendiest hotels.''
It would be fun to do a video on Detroits failed subway system, specifically the 1915 proposal and how they built two stations in 1927 but never finished it.
We stumbled across it when we visited the Chelsea Market on our NY/USA trip in 2014, walked the whole way and was very, good to see they are doing something with the end section which was still bare back then
We've recently had the same sort of idea happen in the UK - In Leeds specifically. Except that the rails weren't on steel bridges but stone ones. (Leeds at one point had 3 stations in the middle of the city with the last one being built two stories up and thus the tracks for it were on viaducts. The lifting house from the upper to lower rails still exists too) It's still a very good way to reuse old infrastructure without the huge cost of demolishing it.
During my first visit to NYC in 1979, I was exploring the west side and came upon the tantalizing incline leading up to the high line at 34th St. between 11th and 12th Aves. There was a boxcar sitting on the tracks and I so wanted to walk up the incline and look at the tracks and see what this mysterious train route was all about. I was wary of being charged with trespassing, so I didn't venture up there. I have been to the park several times and they have created a magical space. However, it would have been a dream of mine to ride on one of those chartered passenger trains seen in the photos.
There is a relatively new access to that part of the high line. You can just walk in where the tracks used to be, and go all the way to the end of the high line. It's been open for a few years now.
@@firesurfer Thanks for the info. The last time I was there (2019), that part was closed to the public. However, i did get to go up into The Vessel, before the unfortunate jumps made it off-limits.
It's actually pretty nice. I visited the high line back in 2015 it was beautiful. There were still expanding at the time. I may want to go back eventually to go see how much it's been done
Not "incarceration" but iteration. Chelsea Market was originally built by National Biscuit Company (Nabisco). And didn't the Skyline grow Northward? Excellent documentary. 👍
Another lost piece of Railway History is the New York Connecting Railway which connected Bayview, Brooklyn and the Long Island Railway with the New Haven line just south of the Hellgate Bridge in Astoria.
I had a class in NYC where after class our professor (who lives in NYC) took us on part of The High Line. I think it was a good way of saving NYC rail history. I really enjoy that some sections of track are preserved up there.
Greetings from the UK! I a have visited New York twice and both times walked the entire length of the High Line, it is such an amazing experience, always something going on, music, art, entertainment, but the best thing i noticed was people seeming, relaxed. Just enjoying a stroll, sitting, chatting, eating Just Chilling, it was so very relaxing and nice. Then you hit street level and its back to full on! If you visit NYC, you have to do `The High Line`, its a must do!!
Basically, the removal of manufacturing to more rural areas and overseas has led to the demise of freight traffic by rail in cities. Aside from of course, stuff that moves by container into intermodal yards where they are, then unloaded from the train and put on chassis to be moved by truck.
The funny part about the high line was thst by the time it was finished it already was obsolete. Freight traffic was already diminishing, being rapidly replaced by trucks.
@@PrograError Like half the history of NYC transit development can be summarized with "And then the war happened and construction had to be stopped because steel was needed elsewhere. And by the time the war was over, nobody cared about mass transit."
@itshistory the photo at 2:58 is actually in Syracuse NY where the NYC RR mainline went down Washington St. To the left is Syracuse City Hall with its famous Romanesque architecture and the Edward Joy building was demolished decades ago and replaced by the State Office Building where I used to work. The Mainline was moved to the North on a specially constructed elevated embankment which would become I690 when they moved the mainline to a former freight only line in the 1960's.
I walk the line everytime I visit. The last time I did so, the Spur had just been completed. The pandemic years prevented me from travelling, but I hope to be State side next year.
I grew up in N.Y.C. In the 80’s and my junior high school was a literal stoned’s throw from the then abandoned, overgrown, graffiti’d High line. It became a police free Valhalla of a location for us to explore and get high on whilst ditching school.
Converting an already-built railroad into a park sounds like a loss in general, to be honest. If I were in charge I would try to make anything to keep it working.
i dont get out to NYC to often now days but if you are a tourist or live in NYC take a walk along the length of this park...it is amazing in and of itself est time to hit it is in spring and early fall it gets too hot in summer but still good place to go
Wow thank you. I just learned of the high line from google maps and i wanted to know all about it. After traceling the web for a while i found your video and it taught me all i needed to know. Thank you
I went to the early meetings about saving it . I remember Andrew Berman being very involved in this..I think Mayor Bloomberg getting behind the project really sealed the deal
There was a line in Chicago on the northwest side of the city that was revitalized from an abandoned right of way to a park/greenway. The former Milwaukee Road's Bloomingdale line. You may wish to check it out Ryan.
There were so many areas that were abandoned. I looked into the abandoned subways under city hall and the hotels. There’s even a rail car hidden that belonged to FDR.
Pelham bay park in the Bronx is over 2,700 acres large and may have only 2 parks department officers assigned there on a regular basis. The high line park is less than 7 acres and has assigned at least 18 parks department officers there. So obviously the new high line's celebrity status matters.
@@firesurfer Sure visitors per square foot is indeed higher on the high line but in Pelham bay park if a park's officer is needed on the other end of the park their response is pretty much useless by the time they would get there. Also, sections of Pelham park do indeed get quite busy in the summer.
This video omits a very important aspect. In order to get the High Line park built, the city promised to sell air rights to land owners around it. The resulting skyscrapers have irrevocably changed the low-rise architectural landscape and the fabric of the whole area. So much was lost.
The High Line Park is mentioned a fair amount in a great zombie book series called The City by Sarah Lyons Fleming. The main characters in one part us it to get around and avoid zombies. We’ll worth reading.
A similar project is going happening on abandoned rail lines in Atlanta called The Beltline. There has been tremendous impact over the last 20 years since it started
Great video, if possible please try to incorporate more maps into your videos, eg when you say “The southernmost portion” it’d be nice to see where in NYC that southern portion is. Just a suggestion, thanks! Your videos are amazing. I’m a huge fan.
@@ITSHISTORY maybe a 3D map? If the Subject is something like the high line it would be great to have a point of reference maybe like a GTA mini map of some sorts?
Nice to see this piece of history being preserved. It looks like this was the cheapest way for the shity to get out of a billion dollar price tag removing the structure. It basically satisfies everyone -except for the people that live there. It’s still basically a rotting structure from the early 1900s.
I quite enjoy this channel, but I feel obligated to point out that while Vermont borders Canada, it is _still_ part of the United States. 1:58 Perhaps the writer was thinking of Montreal, which still has daily rail service to NYC via Amtrack.
Yes, for a show about history, this guy seems blissfully ignorant about basic geography. Slick, but lacks any sort of research or even a decent editor.
Hello this really good video on high line and it's history. I was wondering if you could do a video on the old elevated West side highway? From West 57 St to the Battery Underpass.
I love The High Line. A beautiful walk just high enough above the hustle and bustle of NYC. I encourage everybody who visits NYC to walk on this beautiful park. Plus... it's free!
i was just playing gta 4 high as a kite and was driving my car on the old railway in the city map that takes place in new york, i was actually wondering about the old bridge rail ways and paths that went through certain industrial buildings it’s really meat. would love to see it in person one day
In Paris, there used to be the station Paris-Bastille, at the place where the French Revolution started. It has an elevated track leading to it as well. The train line has changed its location, going more south along the river Seine via Gare de Lyon and is operated by the suburban railway line RER A. The station is gone, where it once was there's now Mitterrand's ugly Opera de la Bastille, which doesn't only lack beauty but is literally a failed construction in decay. The elevated track is used as a park like in New York, too. At the satellite map look for the place de la Bastille and the old railway line goes from there towards south/southeast along the Avenue de Daumesnil. At the mentioned suburban railway line RER A there's another previous station directly at the Seine banks - the previous Gare d'Orsay of the Paris - Orsay railway line. It is now used as a museum, named Musée d'Orsay.
The High Line also spurred massive residential developments around it, with a very negative side effect of gentrification. And then Albany, NY tried to mimic the High Line by turning a highway off-ramp into a park, which was, as most things here in Albany are, a massive failure. The High Line is well worth a visit (unlike Albany), but also worth really looking into how it changed the city.
Agreed. I visited NYC and first walked the High line in 2018. When I made a return visit the following year, I could hardly recognise the landscape as so many buildings had erupted to obscure the views.
I have always pitied countries and cities that fell under the curse of the car. While the idea of a park is most laudable, you should consider bringing back the railways. The more, the better.
The numerous accidents that killed people caused the City to require trains go underground to Grand Central. The route they chose was 5th Avenue. The NYC built vents to allow the gasses and smoke to escape. They put iron railings and planted gardens to hide them, giving the appearance that there was a small park on every block. That's why it's called Park Avenue today. As traffic grew the tunnels were frequently blocked by smoke. When an inbound train missed a signal and plowed into a stopped train ahead of it the number of deaths caused is when the city banned steam locomotives. This meant that a train bound for New York would stop in Croton-Harman and an electric locomotive took over.
You omitted that the primarily reasons for the demise of the railroad on the west side of Manhattan were (a.) with the coming of container ships, cargo was no longer being handled at the piers on the west side, (b.) with improved refrigeration, fresh meat no longer had to come from the meat packing district, and (c.) the lower Manhattan produce market was removed to Hunts Point in the Bronx to make room for the World Trade Center.
It ought to be mentioned, though, that rail freight in general, world-wide, has changed dramatically in the last half century. The three points you mentioned happened in different incarnations elsewhere. General cargo got generally transported in trucks, manufacturing moved out of city centres because of rising property prices, and coal transport largely fell away.
In Europe, the market is largely liberalised, with operators from all over the continent pulling trains that consist almost exclusively of containers, (petro)chemicals, grain, or still coal. Passenger traffic hasn't decreased so much, but elevated railways have moved underground.
@Sean Embry You're absolutely right. At the risk of bringing politics into this, I believe that the European situation is far better for competition and as such, the consumer. As a CEO explained at a company where I worked and that, for a number of years, had a monopoly, it's the best business model you can have.
But even though the access rights are different, the small scale movement of goods that existed until about the 1960s, has completely vanished. In that sense, there are a lot of similarities between the continents.
One notable difference is that European harbours see more (container) traffic than the US ones, and because of the many rivers, and because you can sail around most of the continent, a lot more trade happens over the water than over rails.
@Sean Embry It's pretty much the same everywhere in Europe. I haven't been to the UK much, and I certainly don't go trainspotting there. But I like to watch train travelogues, and like in the USA, everything is either bulk or container.
You failed to make a constructive comment with your opening verbiage. You chose to word your comment in quite a rude way. May I suggest you take an etiquette class?
@@iJoshDG I'm not sure whether your comment is directed at me, or at one of the others who replied to my comment. Rest assured, though, that based upon your recommendation, I'm going to immediately enroll at ettikit school.
There are so many parts of our cities that are lost, built over, it's nice for a change to see one that is not only preserved but turned into something wonderful for the local community
Incarceration?
@@tokugawa12able I believe ‘incarnation’ was intended.
@@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis I certainly hope so.
@@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis Yeah, this isn't a tv show with cue cards and all.
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I visited the park the last time I went to New York. It is worth the walk! I'm glad the city preserved it.
The High Line was not a passenger route. Though as your pictures show there was an occasional passenger train. These were charter excursions for railfans.
The main reason for the demise of the High Line as a freight route was the loss of that freight as shippers and receivers moved to New Jersey, The Bronx or went out of business.
The New York Central, and its successors, Penn Central, Conrail, and CSX hung on to the property as its real estate value became of great value. Eventually it was sold for the value.
Always wanted to visit the Highline. Such an outstanding example of preservation and smart planning.
visit it soon...worth it
It is well worth a visit, especially if you walk the entire length from 34th street to 14th street
I do wonder if keeping this as a freight line, and keeping warehouses in the area would have helped with the rise of online shopping and the streets being choked with freight traffic from all the deliveries. Instead more streets throughout the city could have been made complete streets safe for pedestrians, and the highline could have kept freight grade separated from pedestrians as much as possible.
But that would make too much sense
@@GetDougDimmadomed While logistically it makes sense, Trains are also incredibly loud. It would certainly be hard to justify the rail usage in the heart of Manhattan. Plus the line would have to be electrified which no major freight carrier in the US has experience with or locomotives to use for it.
The people with their noses way up in the air paying $1 million for the little room in the basement next to the boiler would withhold their “political contributions “ and that would be the end of that
Well, it was a freight line, and it was losing money, so no. Find a way for the railroads to make a profit and they won't abandon the lines.
@@grazz7865 Hints they ban is all lol... Your correct
I have walked this area several times. It is by far one of the most beautiful urban gardens and pedestrian walkways in NYC. If you haven't been you are missing out.
Years before the High Line Park was even conceived, I visited Paris and while there I came across a park that had been built on the remains of a rail trestle that ran from the long closed Gare d' Orsay rail station. The rail station is known today as the Musee d'Orsay, a museum featuring classic and modern paintings. The park stretches out from the museum, through Left Bank neighborhoods and terminates, I believe, at the River Seine. I have long thought this converted park inspired the decision to convert the old High Line in New York. Regardless, the High Line Park is one of the top attractions in Manhattan. The crowds you see in the video are typical. Great feature, Ryan.
I visited the High Line in 2010 and it was such an inspiring experience. We brought food from Chelsea Market and ate our lunch looking out over the west side. At the time we could see where it would be expanded but I haven't been back since. I'm glad to see the expansions have been completed and new sections opened up. I hope to return soon.
I was there just over a week ago. The 34th St Yard (Hudson Yard) and an entrance on 34th seemed to be getting some work done. And *lots* of people on it.
Interesting on rail traffic as I thought last NYC train had been in the 60's. The 70's makes more sense as it seems certain it would have been demolished if NYC stopped using it in the 60's.
@@fjkelley4774 Great point! The 60s were all about destruction. After Penn Station and the highway revolts of the 70s they started to seriously look at preservation.
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It should be noted that the lower west side of Manhattan was not a major office or residential center but full of factories and warehouses and it was also alongside the Hudson River piers where ocean going freight ships were docked and unloaded and reloaded. This was the age of break bulk cargo ships that were serviced by shipboard cranes that served the cargo holds, not the container vessels we see today. Most all of these piers are gone or found other uses. Manhattan is no longer a port city. The sixties saw the development of the world trade center and the area changed from industrial to offices and added a lot of housing units as well. Some of these neighborhoods have become quite upscale. The area also saw the demise of the West Shore highway that carried vehicle traffic down as far as the battery at the south end of Manhattan, the closure of this route meant that cars and trucks had to use the Avenues with traffic lights on each cross street, this of course accelerated the movement out of the area of industrial facilities as well. The decline of the NYCentral RR, later merged into PennCentral was also a factor in the decline of the high line.
Didn't Conrail use these tracks in the late 1970s for local freight shipments?
Very insightful! Thank you so much for sharing!
Conrail never went below the 33rd(?) St yard, as far as I know. Penn Central at some point embargoed the line, I think. PC got away with an uncontested embargo as there were no customers left on the line PC was in bankruptcy, and the unions had other legal fights.
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On the Lower East Side, there is also an underground trolley terminal, formerly known as the Delancey Underground, which was to be converted into a subterranean park called "The Lowline." The plans are stunning and innovative. Although the project was scheduled to open in 2020, it has not yet been completed due to lack of funding. Not sure of the current status, but would be an interesting dive.
It's still abandoned. Never took off. Thiers a subway station next too it for the w train that sits next too it and you can see the site. Nothing has been done
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The real cause of the ban on steam locomotives in Manhattan can be traced back to the Park Ave. Tunnel crash of 1902, when the smoke from the locomotive made signals impossible to see, and an express from White Plains plowed into the rear of a local commuter train at 56th street. 15 people died instantly, while dozens more were injured badly.
Around 1979 or '80 I was in college in the East Village. On a fine, early-Spring day a few of my classmates and I wandered over to the West Side and saw the High Line. "Who left this here?" We were able to get up to track level via a stair tower near Little West 12th St. and a "lock that ain't locked when no-one's around." We walked the length of the structure to it's end barriers...then walked back because there was no other way down. It was a great experience to walk that area a couple of stories up, above the traffic, and look out over the neighborhoods. I went back after the first rehabilitated segment was opened, then again for each new section. My hat's off to the architects and other planners who designed the linear park, they did a top-shelf job. I was happy to see that they'd left a lot of the old trackage in place as a reminder of where the High Line came from and "who left it there."
The original tracks were removed and put back in as a decorative item. They in no way reflect the original layout.
The High Line is lovely to walk. You can almost feel what it was like moving by train up there. I also love that one of the buildings on Washington Street has the gap from where the High Line passed through it.
I would love to see #IT'SHISTORY tackle an old elevated structure that once stood 2 blocks west of the High Line.... the old Miller Highway. We know it today as the original West Side Highway. The reason for its construction, and reason for its eventual demolition, would make a great addition to your video collection!❤
That’s a really cool suggestion!!! Can you please DM me on twitter or insta @ryansocash
Yes hunts point market opened in 1967 in the Bronx cars could be directly received into the facility by rail no more car floating produce cars from nj the west side piers shutdown because they didn’t have the land to accommodate containers trucks got bigger and faster and ran on an improved highway system and New York City and state have never been business friendly with their high taxes and assinine regulations nabisco left nyc in 1959 a major New York central customer
In clip 4:10 a New York Central Railroad’s DES-3 class boxcab locomotive emerges from the Merchants Refrigerating Company Warehouse (built 1918) and onto the to the siding that connected to the main line. These locomotives received power from 600 volts DC and could generate electric power with diesel engines when the units were on trackage without third rail. The power from third rail ceased in the 1950’s and conventional diesel switchers were then assigned the work. The warehouse provided storage for perishables including meats, dairy, fruits, and vegetables. The High Line also served the St. John’s Terminal (1934) and Bell Laboratories (1898). All three facilities still exist with the terminal being extensively redeveloped as part of Google's new campus.
It really is quite amazing that the high line was never torn down for scrap long before it became a park
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Like everything else it costs money to demo, especially in NYC. Leaving it up was just a way of forgetting about it.
Part of it was. It went further south
There is a segment of abandoned elevated rail line in Philadelphia, that used to lead into the old Reading Terminal (since converted to a convention center / farmer's market). I believe they are looking at converting that into a similar linear park.
Lovely video. In the small city of Den Bosch in the Netherlands, they build a parkbridge for pedestrians over the railway, that was inspired by a section of the NY highline. I live near there. It's nice to see the history of the original!
The highline is such an important park and tourist destination for Manhattan now, it’s amazing how a park on train tracks has sped up the gentrification of that area.
Great video. I worked and went to school around the corner from the Highline for over twenty years since the late 70s. I remember seeing a NY Central train or two riding those tracks in Westbeth.
The new park gave vitality to that area!!!
BTW, National Buscuit Company = NABISCO.
I visited NY a few years ago and the Highline was one of my favourite places to visit. Aside from being a beautiful elevated park, it was one of the few places you could walk at a comfortable pace, away from the frantic pace at street level.
Walked the park last time I've been to NYC. It's a very nice looking park which clearly shows where it originates from. One of the nicest modern urban parks I've seen!
There's a lot of underground subway tunnels in New York City from the original subway to the plans of having the subway cross over the George Washington Bridge into New Jersey.. Would love to hear what you find out about them and maybe where they're in future plans with the NYC Subways..
Queenway wants to do the same thing. But this was a passenger rail route and passenger rail advocates are fighting to restore service. Home owners are fighting both plans even though this is railroad right of way.
Restoring this line can potentially tie Rockaways to Central Queens, which is Queens Blvd.
My father worked for Eastern Meats
On 14th Street and the High Line came into the building. I still remember the Meat being unloaded. The High Line always held a special interest. My only regret is that I now live in NC and never walked it.
Those over head rails looks so good!
I visited High Line or 10th Ave. Elevated Line in September 2011. I believe there was a lot of meat packing done in close proximity to the High Line if I am not mistaken. Elevating RR rights-of-way was one of the greatest engineering feats of the last 125 years in Chicago. Chicago was/is rail transportation hub of the nation and the amount of carnage and traffic congestion was just too much to deal with so in the late 19th or early 20th century Chicago passed an ordinance requiring all railroad tracks within the city limits to be elevated and separated from ground level. It would be great if you did a video on Chicago raising the railroad rights-of-way.
It is by the meat packing district but most of the meat packers have been forced out due to high realestate prices and the expense of operating a refrigerated warehouse in Manhattan. Just a handful of meat wholesalers left.
One of the last customers on the line was a cold storage warehouse. For meat, and other foodstuffs.
Syracuse did the same in the 1930's with the Delaware Lackawanna and Western plus the NYC Main line. Eventually the NYC RR diverted its operations to a former freight only line and the line downtown became part of Interstate 690.
The meat-packing district is now super premium lofts and restaurants for the hoity-toity.
''The Meatpacking District is one of Manhattan's most glamorous neighborhoods. The area has come a long way from its slaughterhouse origins, transforming into a luxury destination filled with clubs, stylish restaurants and several of the City's trendiest hotels.''
@@firesurferAre the [
hoity] and [toity] two separate lines of evolution?
It would be fun to do a video on Detroits failed subway system, specifically the 1915 proposal and how they built two stations in 1927 but never finished it.
We stumbled across it when we visited the Chelsea Market on our NY/USA trip in 2014, walked the whole way and was very, good to see they are doing something with the end section which was still bare back then
We've recently had the same sort of idea happen in the UK - In Leeds specifically. Except that the rails weren't on steel bridges but stone ones. (Leeds at one point had 3 stations in the middle of the city with the last one being built two stories up and thus the tracks for it were on viaducts. The lifting house from the upper to lower rails still exists too) It's still a very good way to reuse old infrastructure without the huge cost of demolishing it.
Very interesting and so cool thank you for the videos!
I am not American, so all this is pure online tourism to me and this man does a really good job at story (history) telling :)
During my first visit to NYC in 1979, I was exploring the west side and came upon the tantalizing incline leading up to the high line at 34th St. between 11th and 12th Aves. There was a boxcar sitting on the tracks and I so wanted to walk up the incline and look at the tracks and see what this mysterious train route was all about. I was wary of being charged with trespassing, so I didn't venture up there. I have been to the park several times and they have created a magical space. However, it would have been a dream of mine to ride on one of those chartered passenger trains seen in the photos.
There is a relatively new access to that part of the high line. You can just walk in where the tracks used to be, and go all the way to the end of the high line. It's been open for a few years now.
@@firesurfer Thanks for the info. The last time I was there (2019), that part was closed to the public. However, i did get to go up into The Vessel, before the unfortunate jumps made it off-limits.
To call the High Line Park “urban decay “ is a bit of a stretch. It is really a nice and affluent area now.
I grew up on the westside and never remembered the highline. Thank you.
I really want to see that abandoned subway station in Manhattan that is perfectly preserved.
It's actually pretty nice. I visited the high line back in 2015 it was beautiful. There were still expanding at the time. I may want to go back eventually to go see how much it's been done
Not "incarceration" but iteration. Chelsea Market was originally built by National Biscuit Company (Nabisco). And didn't the Skyline grow Northward? Excellent documentary. 👍
Just out of curiosity, where is Vermont, Canada? Did something happen while I had my nap?
We annexed it back in 1967, we just didn't have the heart to tell you guys until today. Sorry.
There were train connections from NYC back in the day.
Another lost piece of Railway History is the New York Connecting Railway which connected Bayview, Brooklyn and the Long Island Railway with the New Haven line just south of the Hellgate Bridge in Astoria.
I had a class in NYC where after class our professor (who lives in NYC) took us on part of The High Line. I think it was a good way of saving NYC rail history. I really enjoy that some sections of track are preserved up there.
Greetings from the UK! I a have visited New York twice and both times walked the entire length of the High Line, it is such an amazing experience, always something going on, music, art, entertainment, but the best thing i noticed was people seeming, relaxed. Just enjoying a stroll, sitting, chatting, eating Just Chilling, it was so very relaxing and nice. Then you hit street level and its back to full on! If you visit NYC, you have to do `The High Line`, its a must do!!
Basically, the removal of manufacturing to more rural areas and overseas has led to the demise of freight traffic by rail in cities. Aside from of course, stuff that moves by container into intermodal yards where they are, then unloaded from the train and put on chassis to be moved by truck.
The funny part about the high line was thst by the time it was finished it already was obsolete. Freight traffic was already diminishing, being rapidly replaced by trucks.
also... just "in time" for end of the war in 45'
@@PrograError Like half the history of NYC transit development can be summarized with "And then the war happened and construction had to be stopped because steel was needed elsewhere. And by the time the war was over, nobody cared about mass transit."
@itshistory the photo at 2:58 is actually in Syracuse NY where the NYC RR mainline went down Washington St. To the left is Syracuse City Hall with its famous Romanesque architecture and the Edward Joy building was demolished decades ago and replaced by the State Office Building where I used to work. The Mainline was moved to the North on a specially constructed elevated embankment which would become I690 when they moved the mainline to a former freight only line in the 1960's.
Very nicely put together video and very entertaining as well. Thanks for posting this.
I was living in NYC when the High Line opened as a public park. Very cool. Highly recommended if you're visiting the city.
I walk the line everytime I visit. The last time I did so, the Spur had just been completed. The pandemic years prevented me from travelling, but I hope to be State side next year.
Really enjoy the nyc videos! Amazing!
I grew up in N.Y.C. In the 80’s and my junior high school was a literal stoned’s throw from the then abandoned, overgrown, graffiti’d High line. It became a police free Valhalla of a location for us to explore and get high on whilst ditching school.
The High Line should have been turned into a light rail service. That area could really use it.
Converting an already-built railroad into a park sounds like a loss in general, to be honest. If I were in charge I would try to make anything to keep it working.
Wow!!! This is beautiful 😍 glad I found your channel ❤💖💕♥💜 ❤
The HighLine is one of the most pleasant, quiet, wonders of NYC.
Thank you for sharing this. Im looking forward to walking it on our next visit .
Vermont, Canada -- a nice thought.
Brilliant photos
i dont get out to NYC to often now days but if you are a tourist or live in NYC take a walk along the length of this park...it is amazing in and of itself est time to hit it is in spring and early fall it gets too hot in summer but still good place to go
Cool! I’m glad it has been preserved as public park and green space!
Wow thank you. I just learned of the high line from google maps and i wanted to know all about it. After traceling the web for a while i found your video and it taught me all i needed to know. Thank you
Excellent history lesson which has left me with more love and respect for the Big Apple.
I went to the early meetings about saving it . I remember Andrew Berman being very involved in this..I think Mayor Bloomberg getting behind the project really sealed the deal
The highline as it is now is my favourite tourist attraction in NYC
There was a line in Chicago on the northwest side of the city that was revitalized from an abandoned right of way to a park/greenway. The former Milwaukee Road's Bloomingdale line. You may wish to check it out Ryan.
The 606!!
DM me that concept on twitter or insta @ryansocash
This is a great idea
Nice report !!
Good stuff 😁
Really excellent video I wonder what happened if they connected this to the underground subway system treating it as the L train extension.
There were so many areas that were abandoned. I looked into the abandoned subways under city hall and the hotels. There’s even a rail car hidden that belonged to FDR.
Thanks for this great little video! I was in NYC in 1983 and dream of walking the High Line.
Pelham bay park in the Bronx is over 2,700 acres large and may have only 2 parks department officers assigned there on a regular basis. The high line park is less than 7 acres and has assigned at least 18 parks department officers there. So obviously the new high line's celebrity status matters.
The number of visitors per sq ft is far higher. I wouldn't be surprised if it's 100-1000 times higher.
@@firesurfer Sure visitors per square foot is indeed higher on the high line but in Pelham bay park if a park's officer is needed on the other end of the park their response is pretty much useless by the time they would get there. Also, sections of Pelham park do indeed get quite busy in the summer.
@@DMETS519 money… that’s why money…they don’t care about Pelham bay park if is not riverdale or country club the cops couldn’t care
This video omits a very important aspect. In order to get the High Line park built, the city promised to sell air rights to land owners around it. The resulting skyscrapers have irrevocably changed the low-rise architectural landscape and the fabric of the whole area. So much was lost.
Great video. We visited The Highline in 2015 while staying in NYC. Fascinating transformation 👍🏼😊
Awesome! Thank you!
I love the highline it's one of my favorite places in the city
The High Line Park is mentioned a fair amount in a great zombie book series called The City by Sarah Lyons Fleming. The main characters in one part us it to get around and avoid zombies. We’ll worth reading.
A similar project is going happening on abandoned rail lines in Atlanta called The Beltline. There has been tremendous impact over the last 20 years since it started
Atlanta is an urban sprawl catastrophe
@nasirjones-bey6565 no argument here!
Thank you very much for your great content!
My pleasure!
The High Line has a copy in Manchester England. Part of the old Midland Railway line has been turned into a high level park.
Thank god for wildlife for saving our infrastructure.
Hey, another crazy battle that old Rudy G lost! Fantastic!
Great video, if possible please try to incorporate more maps into your videos, eg when you say “The southernmost portion” it’d be nice to see where in NYC that southern portion is. Just a suggestion, thanks! Your videos are amazing. I’m a huge fan.
Hey thanks for the suggestion! It can be difficult to make maps look nice but I agree with you.
@@ITSHISTORY maybe a 3D map?
If the Subject is something like the high line it would be great to have a point of reference maybe like a GTA mini map of some sorts?
MysticTransit here on UA-cam has a method that seems to work.
Great narration. Interesting h istory. The park is really beautiful.
Thanks so much!
Fantastic story❤
I can’t wait to go back to NY just to do this walk again
Nice to see this piece of history being preserved. It looks like this was the cheapest way for the shity to get out of a billion dollar price tag removing the structure. It basically satisfies everyone -except for the people that live there. It’s still basically a rotting structure from the early 1900s.
I quite enjoy this channel, but I feel obligated to point out that while Vermont borders Canada, it is _still_ part of the United States. 1:58
Perhaps the writer was thinking of Montreal, which still has daily rail service to NYC via Amtrack.
Yes, for a show about history, this guy seems blissfully ignorant about basic geography. Slick, but lacks any sort of research or even a decent editor.
I see Kevin Bacon was involved. His father was a well know city planner in Philadelphia.
Hello this really good video on high line and it's history. I was wondering if you could do a video on the old elevated West side highway? From West 57 St to the Battery Underpass.
DM me that concept on Insta or twitter and I’ll do it! @ryansocash
2:53 wow what a beautiful, tram engine, a steam tram. I am a fan of steam powered tram engines.
I love The High Line. A beautiful walk just high enough above the hustle and bustle of NYC. I encourage everybody who visits NYC to walk on this beautiful park. Plus... it's free!
i was just playing gta 4 high as a kite and was driving my car on the old railway in the city map that takes place in new york, i was actually wondering about the old bridge rail ways and paths that went through certain industrial buildings it’s really meat. would love to see it in person one day
3:23 i drove a car through this building on gta 4 ‼️ the game is kinda artistic as hell i love it🍄
In Paris, there used to be the station Paris-Bastille, at the place where the French Revolution started. It has an elevated track leading to it as well. The train line has changed its location, going more south along the river Seine via Gare de Lyon and is operated by the suburban railway line RER A. The station is gone, where it once was there's now Mitterrand's ugly Opera de la Bastille, which doesn't only lack beauty but is literally a failed construction in decay. The elevated track is used as a park like in New York, too. At the satellite map look for the place de la Bastille and the old railway line goes from there towards south/southeast along the Avenue de Daumesnil.
At the mentioned suburban railway line RER A there's another previous station directly at the Seine banks - the previous Gare d'Orsay of the Paris - Orsay railway line. It is now used as a museum, named Musée d'Orsay.
Heute der Loop ?
Eine toller Spaziergang auf der alten Strecke...
Wunderbar das ,das nicht abgerissen wurde
I walked the High Line in Sept2019. Wanted to for years and it was worth it.
The High Line also spurred massive residential developments around it, with a very negative side effect of gentrification. And then Albany, NY tried to mimic the High Line by turning a highway off-ramp into a park, which was, as most things here in Albany are, a massive failure. The High Line is well worth a visit (unlike Albany), but also worth really looking into how it changed the city.
Agreed. I visited NYC and first walked the High line in 2018. When I made a return visit the following year, I could hardly recognise the landscape as so many buildings had erupted to obscure the views.
How on earth can you call the high line secret ?? Click Bait
that’s exactly what I was thinking
Where is Vermont, Canada?
I guess it's a secret
I have always pitied countries and cities that fell under the curse of the car. While the idea of a park is most laudable, you should consider bringing back the railways. The more, the better.
The Jews don't like that for some reason.
Watched from Old Harbour Jamaica and we too have one of the olderst but dieing railways in the world wear my brother works.
The numerous accidents that killed people caused the City to require trains go underground to Grand Central. The route they chose was 5th Avenue. The NYC built vents to allow the gasses and smoke to escape. They put iron railings and planted gardens to hide them, giving the appearance that there was a small park on every block. That's why it's called Park Avenue today.
As traffic grew the tunnels were frequently blocked by smoke. When an inbound train missed a signal and plowed into a stopped train ahead of it the number of deaths caused is when the city banned steam locomotives. This meant that a train bound for New York would stop in Croton-Harman and an electric locomotive took over.