Doctors Pretend to Kill Patient in order to Diagnose Him | House M.D. | MD TV
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- Опубліковано 9 лют 2023
- Doctors let a patient believe they're helping him die, when in fact they're actually sending him into a coma in order to carry out further tests on him.
From House M.D. Season 3 Episode 3 'Informed Consent' - House and his team wrestle with an ethical dilemma when an elderly patient demands that they stop treating him and help him to die. Chase believes they should respect the patient's wishes, while Foreman and Cameron are opposed. House, meanwhile, is more interested in finding a cure.
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I always love how House has a "dont ask for permission ask for forgiveness" approach but without the forgiveness part lol
LMAO 😂😂
A without B is just A. Which is "dont ask for permission"
Ask for forgiveness only if Cuddy will castrate him, or post-Season 6.
My mother's saying is its easier to ask for forgiveness then to ask for permission
Prayed to god for a bike and never got one, so I stole one aand prayed for forgiveness 🙏
One of houses most unethical moments: Killing a patient so that they can't refuse treatment anymore
What if he had a DNR
I can see House's justification: "Technically, I told him I'd help him die. I just didn't say WHEN."
@@blenderfox or 'i didn't say I'd help him stay dead'
@@condor237 DNR is for patients with natural causes... This is fabricated!
@@skellious Or "I didn't say I'd let him STAY dead"
When chase doesn't leave the room I can tell he's thinking "lol been there done that"
exactly the point of that moment, that and to show how he's gradually becoming house. by the end of the series after house fakes his death, chase is the one who has his job.
@@dietotaku delete your spoiler bro
@@coka589 Geez man it has been years now since the conclusion. If you haven't watched that you shouldn't be having any business watching shorts where you will inevitably run into spoilers.
@@HunGredylmao you're right, and it takes literally 3-4 days to binge the whole 8 seasons ( I know because I did just that).
@Coka's Cola-flavored Aioli bro that's not a spoiler he didn't even mention Wilson's terminal cancer lol
Love this from Chase's character. When House makes a decision to kill him, Chase is the only one who completely stuck with him. I definitely sensed some hesitation, but he decides he's going down with the ship.
Then House starts reviving him and he's like, "What are you doing", and freezes, as though being a doctor isn't even an option
What I love about it is that we all knew Chase is becoming House, but even he was completely shocked by what he actually did.
Its more like Chase was appalled that he knocked out a patient under the guise of mercy killing them, just to run more tests on an unwilling person.
Its medical torture.
@@solidmoon8266 Terminal Amyloidosis is not good at all. Probably going to die anyway..
@@Recordman3345 hence the term "terminal"
Chase always was an ass kisser. That's why House didn't respect him
Towards the end, the fact that the patient said "Congratulations, you got your answer" and smiled was kind of heartwarming. It was as if two researchers were communicating. And completely understood each other in that moment.
House got his answer about what the patient had.
The patient got confirmation that he will die, with or without House's help.
That's not what I felt happened, I think the patient was being scathing and sarcastic. He went through all of the tests and all the pain of his condition, only to be told what he had was fatal anyway. "Thanks for nothing doctor, at least you sated your curiosity". But there's always different ways to look at something.
@@christophermcdougall8811 I agree
@@blenderfox the patient can now receive hospice care to go out comfortably
@@euanstokes2828 Well, that depends on the patient. Maybe rather than hospice care, he'd rather go to an assisted dying clinic rather than receive palliative care. Depends on how determined and how soon he wants to die.
“Congratulations, you got your answer.” This man understands House.
I love how Foreman, Cameron, & Chase reacted and how it reflects their characters. Foreman believes it's wrong and walks away, Cameron doesn't necessarily think it's wrong, but can't be apart of it, and Chase thinks it's right and stays with House. Given everything we know about these characters and how the series progresses, it represents them very well.
Only think I’d change is Chase also thinks it’s wrong, but still chooses to hand by House.
@@ishaanawasthi416 Nope, Chase might not have known what House was going to do, but he respected the patients will and would want his doctor if ever he would be in the same position to keep his word and end his life before further suffering.
There is nothing wrong with euthanesia in terminal cases, it's really nothing different from respecting do not resuscitate. A doctor needs to choose the best treatment for their patient not elongate their suffering on personal believes. Now they do not have to do the euthenasia themselves but should also not prevent another doctor from doing it if that is their patients will and no doctor should ever be prosecuted for it.
It's a process and no, euthanasia should not be done because someone just wants it or taken lighthearted at the first diagnoses, but in terminal cases it's actaully the most humane treatment a doctor can give their patient once the terminal diagnose has been given. It should never hang on the personal beliefs to keep a patient alive untill they inevitably die just to keep your own concience clear for whatever belief. Just hand it over to someone else who is more compasionate after reviewing the case and who is willing to let the patient die on their own terms and in dignity and have peace with the patients choice because it simply is the right choice.
@@gilibran yeah if someone cant be saved anyways and theyre ready to die, all youre doing is ending their suffering. its either "die slowly and painfully" or "get so high that im in complete bliss and forget to breath and slowly fade out"
i love how foreman was always angsting over whether he was becoming another house, and yet it was chase all along (the fact that when house gives him a Look, he doesnt leave but instead just closes the door)
I absolutely loved this episode. At the end when he said "Congratulations. You solved it," as he embraced the fact that he's going to die, but finally figured out why. It was a brilliant scientist-to-scientist moment.
I don't think he embraced it. I took it more as an ironic horray for you, but f me. This is House making a mistake that is inevitable in medicine. This was a lose all around.
@@PaperCut2UGaming I still believe that he embraced his death. In fact he was ready to die, way before the diagnosis.
You could tell there was malice in his face and voice, he didn't say that because he finally knew, he said that because House knocked him unconscious just to find out he's gonna die anyways. Nothing was solved except someone's need to solving things. That is why he said it like that.
yeah a lot of people are misreading this. the actor clearly meant to portray sarcasm @@notmysteriousthief4629
He didn't say "you solved it", he said "you got your answer" which imho had a ring of "you put your ego over my wish and the promise you made" to it
Such a great episode! I love how House refused to give up. Even though it is unethical what he did.
Everything he does is unethical lol that’s the whole series
unlawful*, law is a very different thing than ethics.
@@TheInfectouspoint being house is nuts lol
@@xenthiathe main reason is his obsession with diagnosing and treating. He is so obsessed so he cannot help himself to not go to extremes
@@TheInfectousMedical practice is built on ethics.
and that's why chase became house's successor
Love the continuity error at 5:45 when House is about the administer the shot. The syringe has less or more fluid depending on the camera angle.
well there is also a ventilator in the corner of the room so chase really does not need to fetch one
Oh you're good
You must be fun at parties
@Sam Evans how you extrapolated that I was ticked off by the error is beyond me. I enjoy finding these details in shows and movies alike. It's like a treasure hunt. Good day to you
Fantastic eye!
"we don't choose our birth, and we don't choose our death." thats powerful. I'm gonna remember that even though i probably should't
I'm digging that saying, too. 🤯
Great performance of Joel Grey who's surprisingly still alive at 91 years old. For those wondering, the name of the episode is Informed Consent (season 3, episode 3).
Thanks
A real tear jerker.
This is also the moment we knew Chase would become House.
Patient- I want to die...
House- First give me the cause..
The fact Cameron worked with House for so long and was still constantly surprised by his antics annoys me to no end.
Agreed
Must be more annoying that you have her name.
@@rickyanthony 💀
@@rickyanthony lmao
She hoped for him to be better because she loved him. Every time he wasn't was pain.
I wish actual real-life doctors understood the concept of not pushing hard enough during a stress test (which, btw, can be done via epinephrine infusion. that's what I had done. idk what cameron is on about with the whole "that's not protocol" bit, but I rarely ever do). my first electrophysiologist refused to diagnose my congenital Long QT Syndrome because he wouldn't push my heart rate past 150, which would be a dangerously high hr in a healthy person, but we've already established that I'm not healthy. I also have POTS, or Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome, so pushing my heart to 150bpm is just simulating me sitting up in bed. he needed to push me into SVT to see the arrhythmia, which would've put my life in danger, but so does LQTS. I've already had one heart attack, I don't want to have another in order to be taken seriously. yes, the epi infusion could kill me, but the LQTS *will* kill me without diagnosis or treatment. push harder
My great uncle was killed during a stress test. They gave him epi and made him run on a treadmill. He went into cardiac arrest and they couldn’t revive him.
lol my heart rate went to 190 on a treadmill
@@condor237 where did this happen?
@@tgodshall2 NYC queens, don’t remember the doctor
I'm sure this is a piece of hay on the haystack, but with POTS have you looked into Ehlers Danlos Syndrome? Highly underdiagnosed because the assumption is that it's "rare", perpetuating the rarity
"Jello-shots and wild sex" something House would say. I love how House's humor rubs off on his team.
"You're hurting him!"
"YOU'RE HURTING ME"
Lesson learned. If you are ever punching someone and someone else pulls you back and says, "yur hurting them," just tell them yur hurting me :>
And that's why Chase is House's right successor.
I love the fact they do not show any Medical Technologists hard at work in the lab and instead show the physicians performing lab procedures. (Sarcasm from an MT)
they just say that house doesnt trust anyone but his team
Chase replacing House makes more sense when you see scenes like this. This proves that he was House’ protoge all along. The fact he sided with House just proves why he replaced him, the fact Foreman was always ethical and preferred to keep House in check instead of becoming him just proves why he became the Dean of the hospital (replacing Cuddy) and the fact that Cameron was always against House’ subjective point of view (literally the opposite of her) just proves why she left because she just couldn’t be a part of it anymore, and leaving Chase just proved that she didn’t even want to be connected to someone who was.
A lot of times when patients are not cooperating or in too much pain to allow tests , they are sedated and procedures are performed ; *with the consent of their family* .
The word "consent" isn't in House's vocabulary.
Honestly was half expecting House to say "I said I'd kill him, never said I'd let him stay dead"
This series is One of my favorites!! Cameron has such a strong heart, it's my favorite thing about her!!
Yeah. Her heart is not the only great thing about her chest.
@@Glitcher2000House is that you?
Watching the change in Chases face to the surprise Pikachu meme is the most beautiful thing I've witnessed.😂😂 7:16
this is a KILLER Comment lmaoOOOOOOOOOOOO
I like how Chase stayed and was willing to take part in killing the patient. Such little things foreshadow him being House's successor.
I like this episode bc to me, it was like two different scientists wanting to understand and wanting to know, and yet both not wanting pain again.
And I like that.
I like that they almost shared a common brain.
The patient wanted to at least know, he wanted to understand and he purposely came the House bc he knew he would be the only one that was curious enough with him and was the only one willing enough to.
Technically, he didn't lie. He promised to help him die. He never promised not to resuscitate him.
Chase was ride or die.
Patient: *dying*
House: Lets break the law!
Patient: exists
House: Let's break the law!
"We don't chose our death", he says while refusing to let doctors touch him and thus choosing his death.
I like how he replies "Nothing".
So, they almost killed a guy by pretending to kill him, just so they could find out what was going to kill him after all.
Only on House lol.
If the protein type WASN’T AA, they could have saved him, but since it was, they couldn’t.
In the situation, house did the right thing, the only reason he lost in the end was because medicine couldn’t save the man, and house couldn’t know for sure if that was the case until he did this.
House with that wiping his ass line 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Someone messed up on the continuity! The syringe is like 3/4 full at 5:43 but barely full in the shot from behind House. House sneaking some in while were not looking lol
The moment we should have known chase would be the new house in the future
a lot of people are calling him administering morphine unethical, is this not what hospice nurses do? it is already established that he is dying without treatment, and he's refusing further treatment, and has repeatedly asked for end of life care. this could have all been resolved by a hospice nurse.
he asked to die not to be resuscitated, that's the part that's unethical. administering morphine is fine. hospice nurses do not resuscitate
@@ceecee4491dude…the whole argument is that the morphine was unethical
I subscribe to the Hospice end of life channel. I also cleaned homes for terminal patients who chose to stay home and had care come to them several times a week. A daily shower, walk outside with assistance, a loving pet and sitting in the sunshine listening to music is truly a good end of life experience. Wasting away in a hospital bed is not! Sometimes choosing quality over quantity is a LOVING Living choice....
If your choice was between dying in pain or dying in peace, which would you choose? A few months ago, I had to make that choice for my dog. I chose to have the vet administer a fatal dose of morphene. Otherwise the dog would have lived a few more hours or days in agony. We will show that mercy to our pets, but to our human loved ones?
@@andrewvelonis5940 my persian cat already had 1 surgery....and her kidney problem returned.
I held her and cried as she was put to sleep.
And yes, I've had a DNR card since I was of legal age
Chase was always the one with the most “House” in him
'Come on its not gonna kill you' i loves that part
Joel Grey did an amazing job in this episode. I hope he was at least nominated for an Emmy for it.
Into Dust was a good song to add at the end of this episode.
The end made me lil teary
I'm curious what House would have done if Chase didn't stay to help.
Wasn't this the one where Cameron was going sweet on the old man and later found out he experimented on children to reach his conclusions?
Indeed
"Come on, its not gonna kill you." Amazing line right there
5:31 we see that the syringe is full
5:42 we see at the syringe is still full
5:47 we see at the syringe is half full
5:49 we see that the syringe is full
5:50 the syringe is half-full again
isnt the other half behind his shirt and we cant see it?
Schrödinger's Syringe.
That is how you get sued for malpractice.
One of the best episodes.
7:42
HIS FACE
When he said "kill me".... I felt that☹️☹️☹️
no, you didnt. go finish middle school first 🤣
@@mossy_tea it's doesn't matter if the op is in middle school or not . People going through horrible health conditions often feel that way .
9:12 "Why should I believe you now?"
Its the end of the episode, duh.
You can see the conflict in House at the end when the patient says “congratulations. You got your answer”. He wants to feel happy because he solved his puzzle. But seeing a patient die cuts too deep
Chase.exe has stopped working 😂😂😂
5:50 The amount of morphine in the syringe changes between shots
7:42
Bro is flabbergasted.
such a good show
5:40 This drove me nuts and I noticed it the first time I watched the show.
Watch the levels of the syringe in between the different shots...
Drove me nuts.
House holding a needle of death morphine, id just walk away.
Damn, "I always wondered what was on the other side" would've been great last words, House just robbed him of that.
Well, the symptoms were treatable but its still a terminal diagnosis. He wanted to die because he didnt want to live with the symptoms. THey can help with the symptoms but they cant save him. Sounds about right for this show. At least the remainder of his time wont cause him endless agony.
Notwithstanding Dr. House’s signature brand of medical sociopathy, this clip- and the episode it comes from- does a good job of demonstrating the tenuous balance that medicine in the real world strikes between two equally important ethical ideals: beneficence and non-malfeasance. To put it succinctly, beneficence is the act of doing good for someone, which is (hopefully) the goal when a patient visits the doctor. Non-malfeasance is the goal of avoiding hurting someone, which is (hopefully) a life goal in general. The problem is there are very few things in medicine that heal without at least the possibility of hurting as well. X-rays are a good example. Cancer doctors need X-rays in order to visualize and treat cancer. It is also a perverse fact that using X-rays in this way also increases the chances of developing cancer in the first place. Despite this downside, the reason we continue to use X-rays is because the good that comes from the former consideration is considerably better than the bad that comes from the latter.
That balance between beneficence and non-malfeasance is crucial in deciding not just what to do medically, but how. Even when we need to do bad for a medically good reason- like when Cameron cuts off a piece of the patient’s skin for tests- we need to make sure it does the least amount of bad; that is to say, Cameron should have sterilized the skin to avoid infection and numbed it so as not to inflict pain on the patient. In fact, Cameron fails to act out of non-malfeasance when she cuts off the patient’s skin implicitly to hurt him, after she finds out the patient’s own record of less-than-stellar medical ethics. It goes without saying: this wouldn’t fly in real-world hospital.
WOW! So well-written. Are you a Physician?
4:16 House’s face is hilarious
I love this patient. He comes back, and rather than raging against House's actions, he sees the value in what was done and offers an encouraging, and honest word. He doesnt thank House. He just says. Congrats.
7:55 Oooh! Pathology bad boy time.
Joel Grey was fantastic in this.
I love how Dr Powell respects House enough to know he is notorious for willing to kill his patients should they wanted him to. But what he doesn't know is that House likes solving puzzles, and that he would get an answer for every patient that comes his way.
As a histotechnologist who has performed a congo red stain, that was amusing.
You do a congo red on tissue sections cut at 8-10 microns, and it involves decolorizing with lithium carbonate. You can't do the stain with the slide on the microscope stage. Nobody would do that.
The instrumental playing at the end is from Into Dust, by Mazzy Star. For anyone curious at some point!
We don’t choose our birth, BUT WE CAN CHOOSE OUR DEATH.
Imma need Hugh Laurie to step away from Joel Grey IMMEDIATELY. You leave Emcee alone Hugh Laurie
Did anyone else notice the difference in the syringe of morphine when the camera angle changes
This guys gives "No! I'm with the science team!" vibes
one of the top 5 episodes for me!
what does he mean by "thats why he doesnt need to wear knee socks"
Good circulation?
Earlier in the episode, House joked "I respect lots of doctors, but most of them look better in knee-socks" than the patient, the joke being that he "respects" attractive female doctors.
The patient gets a pass for House's respect, despite not being that, because he has the same attitude as House and lets him do what he wants.
did dr mike make a video about this already?
This was a tough episode to watch.
Grandpa - Congratulations! You've got your answer... now... CAN YOU PLEASE KILL ME ALREADY!?!?! ****Palpatine style****
Chase was the only one who showed human decency and empathy. House tormented him to get an answer when he already knew there was no point. Foreman just went by the rules, patient's wishes be damned. Cameron was just hoping for fairy dust miracles while closing her eyes to the suffering that was causing.
this is the best
I miss the first few seasons of house where it was just the original crew
5:41 and 5:48 have two different fluid levels
Chases's face
What a let down.
The momen every medic in fps comes to, if you die and I revive you you will get back with more health than before
Jordan Peterson gets more dramatic every time
“ Jell-O shots and wild sex” 😂😂😂
"if anyone touches me ill press charges" xDD and how youdo that DEAD?? "let me die"
He clearly needed more rat bites
Cases like this can sometimes make me question my stance on active euthanasia.
I'm against it because it's too hard to make sure that the patient hasn't been persuaded or pushed into it etc..
But if i were in this patients shoes i would absolutely welcome the option of dying on my own terms.
Persuaded into voluntary euthanasia? How many people who are lucid enough to be convinced of voluntarily dying do you think wouldn’t have the sovereignty to decide for them self whether or not they actually want to? I think that would be a rare enough occurrence for legalization of voluntary euthanasia to be moral imo.
@@gorblin70 It's just a _little_ more complicated than you're making it out to be.
I think it should be legal but it should be incredibly well regulated. Very, very well regulated.
When its terminal illness, there’s a point where its ethically wrong to keep someone alive, and I am firm on that stance.
Once someone is in enough pain that they can’t properly function, or so deep in illness they’ll spend every moment of their time left hooked to machines in a hospital bed, forcing them to perpetuate that reality is wrong, as it prolongs and worsens their suffering in their final moments, as they feel those they trusted won’t even grant them a quick death and force them to live their days in pain.
There are people right now in such pain that no pain killer invented works anymore and there is no cure or making it better. I don't think it would be inhumane to give the rest if requested. If anything, it's torture not to have that option.
Why can't Dr's just understand.
Who is the actor who plays the patient. They seem very familiar
Joel Grey, Oscar winner for Cabaret
@@pokerhulk52 also the actor who played an inmate named Lemuel Idzik in Oz.
I know him from Buffy the vampire slayer. He played doc.
@@perfectlyimperfect2368 that is exactly where I recognise him from! Ty
@@pokerhulk52 thank you so much (:
chase not leaving was foreshadowing his willingness to do what he thought needed to be done, hence him murdering his patient in a later season beacause if they cured him they wouldve committed mass genocide
the thumbnail: gOoD MorNinG mR fReEmAn..
Wasnt this patient also in Grey's Anatomy as Izzie's former teacher who they thought had dementia but it was just a build of fluid in the brain?
Everyone in the comments is all about House being unethical and I'm in the corner shouting how THAT'S NOT HOW YOU DO A CONGO RED STAIN AT ALLLL. Everything about it is WRONG 😥
This is kinda funny because now where I live (Canada) you can do this legally if you just apply to a medical board and have 3 doctors sign off on it. It's called medical assistance in dying. (MAID)
Certain states in the USA allow it as well- but there were few when this episode aired. Its becoming somewhat more common now. Idk what the legal hoops are that you have to jump through, I’m sure there are some, and I’m sure certain docs aren’t allowed regardless of where they practice, but I know it can be done in certain places.
Now who’s blood type is that
I like this ! seriously get me a robot instead of bs hospital protocols and ethics
Protocols exist to prevent deadly mistakes. It’s never good when someone breaks protocol and accidentally kills someone, especially when it’s a young, healthy person in for routine care like childbirth (which happened).